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Looking for opinions on this. Do you consider this fair chase or pay for kill? They say they have 20 thousand acres to hunt fair chase and 5000 high fence. Has anyone ever hunted in a place like this? It's a gift for my Dad who is 78 and can't get around so good anymore and I'm still a little apprehensive about the ethical part.
 
I wouldn't consider it "fair chase", if you're hunting in the high fence area. But who cares? If your dad is limited to this, so be it. If I was 78, I'd be hunting where ever and however I could. Good luck!

Don P
 
LVHunter, No, i don't consider it fair chase, not when they guarantee you a good bull in a 3 day hunt. i see where they charge $5900. for up to a 340 bull.

That said, Your Dad is 78, congrats to him and i'd be happy to be hunting anyplace, anywhere when and IF i even get to 78 years old. IMO, this kind of place is in business to cater to folks like your dad. It's not for me or lots of others on this site but for a hunt for your dad in his later years, why not? I'm not going to suggest what you eventually decide to do but at 78, your dad might just very much enjoy the experience of a very successful yet easier on the ol body type hunt.

Joey
 
You hit the nail on the head with your response. My Dad has never drawn a bull tag anywhere and I am able to afford to do this for him. To me it's payback for a lifetime of memories he has given me. If we had time there are many places we could have gone but time is sadly not on our side at this time. Thanks for your honesty and for the words of encouragement for my Dad.

Dave
 
Soooo? if you are young its not ethical, but when you're old ethics go out the window???? That's awesome you want to do something like that for your dad, but ethics only when it's convenient?
 
Maybe I missed it but, I didn't see anything about "ethics" in anyones post. He mentioned "fair chase" which is also open to interpretation, but his "ethics" have nothing to do with the way you see the world.
 
Let me be more clear Tree, Lvhunter clearly stated he had issues with the "ethics" of the hunt, Just read the post. If he is planning on hunting the 20 thousand acres, I see nothing wrong ethically if the animals are free to come and go. If he plans to hunt the 5000 high fence, then surely that is an ethical issue.
Both Peez and Sage said they didn't think it was fair chase, but then went back saying they would be happy to hunt anywhere at that age. That's where the "ethics" as I see the world comes into play. Not fair chase when young, but ok with it when older and can't get around. I have no problem if Lvhunter wants to go on the hunt it won't change my life, he simply asked for opinions so I gave mine...As I see the world.
 
Here's my .02 on the subject. Everyone else's ethics aside, would taking your father on the hunt leave him with a positive memory and experience shared with you? Given the circumstances and facts surrounding your decision I say go with whatever it is that makes YOU and your father happy. I'm sure as hell not gonna judge you for creating a lasting and happy memory that includes you and your old man and elk, regardless of my personal ethics or views. Do what will make you both have the experience of a lifetime. period. -Cody
 
make him happy, best 5 grand you'll ever spend, you just never know if you'll have the chance again...
 
>Both Peez and Sage said they
>didn't think it was fair
>chase, but then went back
>saying they would be happy
>to hunt anywhere at that
>age. That's where the "ethics"
>as I see the world
>comes into play. Not fair
>chase when young, but ok
>with it when older and
>can't get around.


"Not fair chase when young"
Not fair chase whether you're 10 or 100, if the elk are inside a high fence. Personally not my cup of tea at this point in my life. When I'm 78 it might sound like a pretty darn good deal. Either way, its legal, I don't think it was being asked if we thought it was ethical. Once again, take dad on a hunt and enjoy.

Don P.
 
+1 Manny, Sage - you just never know if you'll have the chance again...
My dad and i went on a hunt when he was about that age, it was his last. I harvested and he didn't and I tried to get him on them and couldn;t get him where he needed to be. I felt bad, but at least he was out there.



Tom
A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking.
 
AS I suspected many like me have some type of conflict with this type of hunt. That being said it's a time and place I may not be able to take advantage of again. I looked into many other "guided" hunts and all were draw only. I thank you all for your opinions as that is what I was asking for. But between us I don't think that if something happened and I was unable to make this happen when the chance was there I would never get over it. It's not the best scenario for a life long fair chase hunter. But as some have said I will take this hunt and enjoy every moment for the memory that it will give the two of us. Also I left one thing out. My 11 yr. old son is coming with us and we plan to take a few birds on the trip as well. It will be the first time three generations have been in the field together. For those out there who may feel that this is a bad choice. I hope to have many years to teach my son the difference and explain the reasons behind what I hope is a treasured memory for my Dad. Thank you all again I hope that all your hunting dreams come true for you.
 
Me personally, I would not take the high fenced area simply because I am young and physically able to handle grueling it out in a bigger range, but if my dad was 78 and had difficulties getting around, I would most certainly go the route that would give him the best memories possible. If he's deadset on harvesting a good bull, then go with the fenced in area, but if it's more just the experience and being able to hunt with his son and grandson, then consider the free range area. Just my thoughts... Either way, I hope it's everything he's dreamed of and more. Good luck!

STALKER
 
Sounds like a fun deal for you and your dad. Fair chase and ethics as it relates to a high fence hunt are apples and oranges. Just because it may fail to fall into the category of fair chase does not mean it is unethical. If anyone has an ethical objection to that hunt I hope they only order cheeseburgers made from wild free roaming angus harvested with a spear, otherwise, its not ethical to eat.

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Why not ask your Dad what HE wants to do? It will be his hunt. It will be his standard of "ethics" or expectations. There are private land hunts out there that can meet your price range for fair chase.

I know that my Dad would rather stay home than go shoot a high-fenced bull. What would even be better would be to go on a fair-chase hunt and hunt. Success does not always come with blood. One thing I have noticed about many of my older relatives is they really don't care if they kill anything. They all seem to view life a little different than when they were younger.

So ask your Dad what he would rather do: Go on a slam dunk fenced hunt or go on a fair-chase elk hunt. Best of luck to whatever you guys decide. Enjoy your time afield with them, it doesn't last forever.....
 
Just make your dad happy and the hell with the rest of the guys and what they think, YOUR DAD is the only one that matters in this deal.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
LVH,if it were me I would do it in a heartbeat.Without memories,what do you have?My dad died when he was 47yrs. young.He had heart problems.He had a heartattack and open heart surgery when he was 26yrs.old,I was 8.He had been an avid hunter.I was 4 or 5 yrs. old when he started me shooting with a BBgun.My dad was never able to have the chance to hunt elk.He was able to hunt mulies and phesants and I cherish all the memories that I have of him.He ended having a second open heart surgery when he was 37 and that limited his hunting even more.Bottom line,I would say to you take Dad on this hunt and spend the time with him and enjoy and make the memories.If you dont,I guarante that you will regret it for the rest of your life.As far as ethics,whos to say?This is for you and him IMO.(ROD)
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-08-09 AT 05:34PM (MST)[p]LHV, I'm with the majority here. If your dad is excited about it then go for it. You'll have a great time and make some great memories. Remember too that 5,000 acres is about 9 square miles. Not exactly like shooting them in a cage. GOOD LUCK. Chip
 
The question not asked yet, What's your dad's history? Has he had many successful hunts? Would this be a first for him? If he is a lifelong hunter, the bunch of you should have plenty of fair chase memories already. The answer will bring about your "ethical" solution.
 
The two areas are 2 totally different hunts. The fenced in area is not fair chase but you are guaranted a chance at a nice bull that you can shoot from your truck practically. The 20,000 acre area is their CWMU. This hunt would be considered fair chase. no different than buying a permit to hunt any other cwmu. I can tell you though it will be a lot tougher hunt. Steep terrain! You most likely will not be "shooting from the truck". Decent elk population but you are not very likely to see any huge elk. You will be LUCKY to find any over 300 inches. I don't see a problem taking him on either hunt. I think it really comes down to what kind of shape he is in and what is going to make your dad happy: a big set of antlers or a hunt after wild elk?

I am curious to know if they are advertising that you can hunt both areas with the same tag? That is kind of what it sounded like from the original post.
 
To quote from a prior post many months ago..."your personal life is so much easier when you quit worrying about making other peoples values match your own".

Do yourself and your Dad a favor and take him where he wants to go and share the time, experience and hunt together. High fence creates a fair chase problem for record book purposes only. Ethics (especially on 5,000 acres of high fence) is not an issue for me.
 
What you and your Dad do is your business and no one elses.

The Most important thing here is YOU and YOUR DAD together and enjoying the outdoors.


Bullmania
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-09 AT 07:36PM (MST)[p]Wakin said "Only unethical if you don't post follow up pics/story."

Personally, i'd welcome seeing a pic or two and hearing a bit of the taken bull by this man of 78 years. As long as it was up front that the bull was taken inside a 5000 acre fence, what's the harm? This isn't my trophy hunting website but i don't think it's against the rules, i'd much like to hear of this particular story's outcome.

Joey
 
Myself, I wouldn't want to hunt there, but if I was 78 and my son was going to treat me to an elk hunt there, at 78 years old I'd be all over it.
In the end it doesn't matter what we think about it, it's what you and your dad think. Good luck.
 
I do not think that Broadmouth can be considered a fair chase hunt.

I understand those who post it is about the memories and having the time with your dad. I suspect, like many who are a bit older than I, that your dad really doesn't care about the size of the horns near as much as you do. I think he probably is more interested in the time you two spend together. With this being the priority, why hunt on a put and take ranch? You can go on a fair chase hunt on private land in Colorado, WYoming, Aizona or a dozen other places, have a great time, and enjoy the hunt together. You may not shoot a bull as large as the one you would shoot at Broadmouth, but quite possibly both your dad and your son might be more proud of this smaller bull. Heck, you might not even be successful shooting an elk, but you will be successful hunting together for the week.

My vote would be for the fair chase hunt. I believe in the long run you will cherish the memories more.

Bill
 
I didnt read thru all the posts, but i would consider buying a land owner tag in New Mexico, hire a guide if needed, for about the same price as broad mouth.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-09 AT 05:11PM (MST)[p]First of all, I think what you're doing for your Dad is great, whether you decide to hunt behind a fence or not is for you to decide.

That said, I was fortunate enough to hunt with my grandfather a lot. Countless hunts, most of them just weekend trips and a yearly hunting camp for a week.

I was also lucky enough to be standing right next to my grandfather when he killed the last couple elk he ever shot. He shot this one at age 77 on a DIY public land hunt.

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Two years later, he killed this one, his last, at age 79. Also a DIY public land hunt.

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I dont think my grandfather would have ever wanted to hunt behind a fence, even if it was a gift. I think for him, it was good enough to simply be hunting with his family and just being there.

I dont really believe it would be that important to your Dad to HAVE to kill an elk. I think the gesture you show by doing something nice for him and taking the time to hunt with him...is undoubtedly the most important part. Elk or not, he'll be just as happy either way.

I agree with the others, if he hunted fair chase all his life...I think you should just roll the dice on a public land hunt somewhere and enjoy the hunt. Theres a lot more to a hunt than just killing an animal...at least IMO.

Good luck and have a good time whatever you decide.
 
I say go for it.5000 acres is alot of area to cover.I'd rather hunt there than pay a team of guys to search the mountain side and locate a monster bull for me and then have them call me on there cell phone to come and shoot it!
 
>I say go for it.5000 acres
>is alot of area to
>cover.I'd rather hunt there than
>pay a team of guys
>to search the mountain side
>and locate a monster bull
>for me and then have
>them call me on there
>cell phone to come and
>shoot it!

+1 on this post.

Scott
Member: RMEF, SCI, and NRA
 
You guys need to get a grip, it's a CANNED hunt, I've been on the property it's a cake walk. NOT a HunT! You couldnt drag my dad out on FENCED shoot and he's 75 years old.
 
I had the chance to go with my father and brothers to South Dakota shooting pheasants a couple years ago. It is not quite the same thing as a high fence elk hunt, but for upland game hunters, it is pretty close. The birds were wild and as thick as proverbial "fleas on a dogs back." If you have only hunted pheasants in Utah, it doesnt seem as "ethical" because it seems so comparitively easy.

Let me say... DO NOT MISS the chance to go with family... since that SD pheasant hunt, my father has gotten to the point where he couldn't do it now and my brother passed away from cancer... At that time, we thought we were having a trip for my Dad... turned out to be the hunt of a lifetime for all.

Let me repeat... the time spent together is more important that the specifics of the event. Have a great time!




All who wander are not lost.
 
I think some of you guys are missing the point. The man is 78 years old, has never drawn a bull tag, and his son wants to treat him to a special hunt that's not hard on the ol guys body yet they stand an excellent chance of getting a big bull. If gramps wants to go... then by all means, Go!

Hey guy's, i get a little high hat myself some times. I want fair chase or i don't want to play. That said, i wish i could have taken my Dad on just such a hunt before he passed. He killed a tall pile in his day but he'd of loved it and i'd of loved being there with him!

Joey
 
I Think its a great idea. I have never hunted on a high fence ranch before but i have helped with hunts on one and I can tell you given the right ranch its harder to hunt than public land. Its not a canned hunt only Governors Tags are in my opinion.....
 
Great thought-provoking post with some good input.

Consider yourself lucky to have the ability to do this and to have a father you would want to do this for. Whatever you decide, you'll be correct 'cause it will surely put a smile on his face just being with you and your son and he will take that smile with him when he goes to the big hunting grounds.


HK
 
My grandpa and uncle did the exact thing your thinking about. Grandpa had hands down the best time of his life. He is so proud of the HUNT with his son and wouldnt trade anything for it. I would reccomend doing it you wont regret it.
 

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