I was wondering what some of you might feel about this kind of hunting?? Lets say somebody spends over $200,000 on 2 Colorado governors tags then he turns around and hires somebody really popular deer hunter like Ryan Hatch to go and find him a deer and just about any exspense including helicopters and having people sit on a deer in the west elk wilderness in unit 54 in colorado till the opening day of archery season, so he can kill some monster buck with a rifle at which you did nothing in the actual hunting part of this deer so you can claim you kill some some buck. this just make me sick!!! Their is no personal satifaction in this kind of hunting!! what do you think????
do you call this hunting???
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BUT HE COULD SAY "MY BUCKS BIGGEST" to every one!
"PRICELESS"
RICHMAN HUNTING AT ITS FINIST! THATS WHY THERE RICH!
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"PRICELESS"
RICHMAN HUNTING AT ITS FINIST! THATS WHY THERE RICH!
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So it's opening day and you have a tag in your pocket. You're traveling to your hidey hole and just as it's getting light, out steps a monster buck. I mean, super monster. 35 inches wide. Giant 200 inch mainframe. And tons of trash. Do you kill it? If you answer Yes, then how can you live with yourself. That just makes me sick. You never worked for that buck. You should pass on it. Better to come home with a tag uncut than have a monster buck that you didn't work for. 
However he ended up there (luck), at least he would have put himself in that position. I don't blame the "famous" guides/video guys one bit, its one hell of a job to get paid for finding game. It's the guys that purchase them. Whenever an article starts off with "I purchased the so and so state coservation tag...." I don't even bother to read the rest, and the "trophy" is totally degraded in my opinion. It's one thing to hire a guide and go hunting, but its different to hire a guide to "babysit" an animal while you fly in and hunt that animal while the rest of the tag holders for that unit can't hunt. Just my opinion.
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BCBOY,
HUH????
The only bobcat saying: I guess I ain't the shaarpiste toole in the shede!!!!!
HUH????
The only bobcat saying: I guess I ain't the shaarpiste toole in the shede!!!!!
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It is sad 5point that you have to automatically involve Ryan Hatch's name in this discussion. It seems like every time someone is jealous about hunting Big Muleys in general, Ryan's name is always involved. Maybe you should devote your entire life to Mule Deer Conservation, Hunting Big Mule, and manage two publication's so you can create a name for yourself. I don't think someone like you could do it. We should be clapping our hands for this guy for the hard work put into the publication's that are out and the numerous videos that keep the fire burning each year for Hunting Season. There is no need for spreading names around. Also who cares if someone spent $200,000 dollars on some governer tags. That money goes back to the Conservation of Mule Deer. P.S. Have you ever met Ryan and spoke to the man? Probably not. Later.
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BCBOY
TAKE NOTE!!!
YOU WERE REPLYING TO "BOBCATBEST" AKA "KALI-CAT"!!!
HE'S BEEN FAIRLY QUIET UNTIL RECENTLY,I WONDER IF 'ARNOLD' HAS GOT HIM STIRRED???
HOW ABOUT IT KALI-CAT,GAS PRICES GO UP AGAIN OR WHAT???
THE ONLY bobcat NOT WANTING MY IDENTITY STOLEN!!!
TAKE NOTE!!!
YOU WERE REPLYING TO "BOBCATBEST" AKA "KALI-CAT"!!!
HE'S BEEN FAIRLY QUIET UNTIL RECENTLY,I WONDER IF 'ARNOLD' HAS GOT HIM STIRRED???
HOW ABOUT IT KALI-CAT,GAS PRICES GO UP AGAIN OR WHAT???
THE ONLY bobcat NOT WANTING MY IDENTITY STOLEN!!!
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I didn't read that as a trash at Ryan Hatch???? Don't hear what he is not saying, the point he was making (which I thought was more of a compliment to Ryan Hatch), this rich guy would hire someone like Ryan Hatch, to me it sounds like this Ryan Hatch dude is a pretty good guide, scout whatever.
What you don't understand is alot of rich people (not all) but many were born rich and don't understand about working for something. Same with hunting, why go out, bust your ass and hope you kill something legal. When instead you can just pull your check book out, buy the best tags, guides, etc., go out opening day and basically shoot a world record ranch raised animal.
What you don't understand is alot of rich people (not all) but many were born rich and don't understand about working for something. Same with hunting, why go out, bust your ass and hope you kill something legal. When instead you can just pull your check book out, buy the best tags, guides, etc., go out opening day and basically shoot a world record ranch raised animal.
If you don't think it's hunting then don't participate. I see auction and governor's tags as a good thing. The fact of the matter is that those funds go to help wildlife and that benefits all of us. I'm glad there are people that rich out there and willing to spend their fortunes on conservation efforts.
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Agreed, I read it as a compliment also.
On another note. If I won the Lottery tomorrow. I would probably hold a few of these tags in my lifetime. I wouldn't hunt in the same way but would have the tags nontheless.
I would, after all, need the tax deductible contribution you know! Plus, I would be helping all the groups that help with habitat and such. Yeah, that's why I would REALLY do it.
Chef
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On another note. If I won the Lottery tomorrow. I would probably hold a few of these tags in my lifetime. I wouldn't hunt in the same way but would have the tags nontheless.
I would, after all, need the tax deductible contribution you know! Plus, I would be helping all the groups that help with habitat and such. Yeah, that's why I would REALLY do it.
Chef
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Like chef said, If somone died and left you $$$$ would you hunt differently than you do now? I sure as hell would buy some tags, life's too short to wait on drawings if you have the chance to buy them. And what's wrong with a guide?
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Hey, I'll take the guy shelling out 200 grand over some fat slob driving around ( pitching beer cans) on a road hunt any day. That money must go a long way for conservation efforts.
He's the one that has to live with the fact that he " bought" his trophy. I'm sure he could go on any hunt he wanted to and just pay a really good guide to help him get a trophy., but instead, he opted to pay the big bucks ( no pun). I'm sure the guy realizes what that check is really for. Conservation.
He's the one that has to live with the fact that he " bought" his trophy. I'm sure he could go on any hunt he wanted to and just pay a really good guide to help him get a trophy., but instead, he opted to pay the big bucks ( no pun). I'm sure the guy realizes what that check is really for. Conservation.
Not only is the guy doing this a poor Hunter, but all those that are selling their ethics to help him do it too are poor examples of what Hunting has become. Getting a little help is one thing ....... paying someone to do EVERYTHING but pul the trigger ? Thats killing - not hunting
How do you know this guy is a poor hunter Brad? How do you know he's not an avid sportsman who has been hunting all his life and is now enjoying the fruits of his labor? How is a guide selling his ethics when he helps a client? Sorry, but I missed that point as well... Are you saying that all outfitters are a problem, or ony the ones that help special tag holders?
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Brad,
Also, keep in mind that outfitters get plenty of "street credit" for being the guide to the governor's tag holder. Also, if they do bag a monster, just helps their success stories.
In all reality, they will probably do it on public land. Many, in the same circumstances (read wealthy) just go to some high fenced outfit and "hunt" there.
Chef
"I Love Animals...They're Delicious!"
Also, keep in mind that outfitters get plenty of "street credit" for being the guide to the governor's tag holder. Also, if they do bag a monster, just helps their success stories.
In all reality, they will probably do it on public land. Many, in the same circumstances (read wealthy) just go to some high fenced outfit and "hunt" there.
Chef
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Just be glad these guys with all that money aren't spending it on anti-hunting !! Seems like somebody who has nothing but a set of better than you ethics always want to trash the RICH guys, if its legal lets mind our own business and enjoy our sport !
"How do you know this guy is a poor hunter Brad?"
in the hunt in question, he's not a HUNTER at all, he's merely the shooter. If he were a good hunter, go HUNT.
"How do you know he's not an avid sportsman who has been hunting all his life and is now enjoying the fruits of his labor? "
Fruits of his labor is shooting an animal he didn't earn ?
" How is a guide selling his ethics when he helps a client? "
Because the scenario given is NOT hunting. Its someone pulling the trigger on an animal they put zero effort into. Hunting is 99 % preparing for the hunt, prepping your equipment, practice, scouting, excercising etc etc etc and yes, HUNTING the animal. Its 1 % killing and shooting etc. in the scenario, the guy didn't do any of that except the 1 %
" Sorry, but I missed that point as well... Are you saying that all outfitters are a problem, or ony the ones that help special tag holders? "
Tough question. Most guides/outfitters I believe to be there to HELP you get your animal. They HELP you pack in, HELP you by taking you into areas that have a better chance ....... when its taken to the level that this scenario details, then its gone far beyond what guiding is suppose to be. Heck, why didn't they just shoot it for him too - its the only think they DIDN'T do, isn't it ?
Yeah, I know they get kudo's etc etc, I just can't help but think most guides and outfitters think their clients should actually have to EARN the animals instead of just show up and pull the trigger.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe what hunting is, the concept that was passed down from my Dad to me and on to my children, that hunting is effort, that hunting is about enjoying the whole experience from the scouting to shooting practice to planning to actually going on the hunt, enjoying God's country etc etc ......... maybe all thats boloney and Hunting is really just about pulling the trigger, paying someone else to do all the "hard" stuff and then bragging about the big antlers on the wall
What do you think ?
in the hunt in question, he's not a HUNTER at all, he's merely the shooter. If he were a good hunter, go HUNT.
"How do you know he's not an avid sportsman who has been hunting all his life and is now enjoying the fruits of his labor? "
Fruits of his labor is shooting an animal he didn't earn ?
" How is a guide selling his ethics when he helps a client? "
Because the scenario given is NOT hunting. Its someone pulling the trigger on an animal they put zero effort into. Hunting is 99 % preparing for the hunt, prepping your equipment, practice, scouting, excercising etc etc etc and yes, HUNTING the animal. Its 1 % killing and shooting etc. in the scenario, the guy didn't do any of that except the 1 %
" Sorry, but I missed that point as well... Are you saying that all outfitters are a problem, or ony the ones that help special tag holders? "
Tough question. Most guides/outfitters I believe to be there to HELP you get your animal. They HELP you pack in, HELP you by taking you into areas that have a better chance ....... when its taken to the level that this scenario details, then its gone far beyond what guiding is suppose to be. Heck, why didn't they just shoot it for him too - its the only think they DIDN'T do, isn't it ?
Yeah, I know they get kudo's etc etc, I just can't help but think most guides and outfitters think their clients should actually have to EARN the animals instead of just show up and pull the trigger.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe what hunting is, the concept that was passed down from my Dad to me and on to my children, that hunting is effort, that hunting is about enjoying the whole experience from the scouting to shooting practice to planning to actually going on the hunt, enjoying God's country etc etc ......... maybe all thats boloney and Hunting is really just about pulling the trigger, paying someone else to do all the "hard" stuff and then bragging about the big antlers on the wall
What do you think ?
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There are the occasions when the rich tag holder shoots nada.
Then what? Is he to be praised for his now donation?
Remember, that is what this is, a tax deductible (in some cases the entire cost of the tag) donation....with a perk. Some people donate to a museum and get a brick or plaque on the wall. This brings these people and their families "respect" for their adoration of the museum. Some people donate to the arts, to many things. Many times out of the kindness of their hearts, and many times because their accountants need them too. That is why these non-profits cater to these rich peoples every whim...for a donation.
Wish more people donated big money to our deer and elk habitat.
Chef
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Then what? Is he to be praised for his now donation?
Remember, that is what this is, a tax deductible (in some cases the entire cost of the tag) donation....with a perk. Some people donate to a museum and get a brick or plaque on the wall. This brings these people and their families "respect" for their adoration of the museum. Some people donate to the arts, to many things. Many times out of the kindness of their hearts, and many times because their accountants need them too. That is why these non-profits cater to these rich peoples every whim...for a donation.
Wish more people donated big money to our deer and elk habitat.
Chef
"I Love Animals...They're Delicious!"
This fall I drew a high country rifle tag, burned 8 PP's for it. Now, I like doing things myself. I like things the hard way, the tough way. I don't want easy. Easy = less satisfaction IMO. I'm 95% bowhunter, 5% gun hunter and actually havent rifle hunted in 8 seasons. I've been a trad shooter for 3 years for the most part. All that said ........ I paid a guy for information on what unit to draw for, what areas to focus on etc etc. Very tough decision for me, because like I said, I like doing things by myself. But no way I could pre-scout this year for this tag I drew, which BTW is a rifle tag for unit 43. But for this hunt, and theres a lot of things factoring in, its the physical aspects of hiking into a wilderness area, spot and stalk hunting that is NOT my forte, and trying to shoot a monster muley buck when the biggest I've ever shot is a dink 4x4.
So I try to look at all aspects of things - of other peoples views and opinions more than I use to. The scenario given though ? What possible "challenge" does this guy have ? Theres no scouting, no prep work , no "hunt" ........ its paying people to call and say " hey Bubba, we found a 235" buck - and going and pulling the trigger almost literally.
Sorry. I can't find any challenge or "hunting" in that scenario for the life of me, and I can't see ever teaching my little boy that that scenario is hunting. Its not. Its shooting, and not much more than that and the buck ? Don't be proud of it, you didn't earn it, you didn't work for it ......... you PAID for it, and theres a huge difference there. My dink 4x4 would mean more than a 230" muley taken the scenario way. Any day
So I try to look at all aspects of things - of other peoples views and opinions more than I use to. The scenario given though ? What possible "challenge" does this guy have ? Theres no scouting, no prep work , no "hunt" ........ its paying people to call and say " hey Bubba, we found a 235" buck - and going and pulling the trigger almost literally.
Sorry. I can't find any challenge or "hunting" in that scenario for the life of me, and I can't see ever teaching my little boy that that scenario is hunting. Its not. Its shooting, and not much more than that and the buck ? Don't be proud of it, you didn't earn it, you didn't work for it ......... you PAID for it, and theres a huge difference there. My dink 4x4 would mean more than a 230" muley taken the scenario way. Any day
If I had the money, damn straight I'd buy that tag. But I would not for the life of me follow that scenario, ever ever. I'd buy the tag and hunt my tail off with it in the best units available for me to go in. I'd do it my way most likely, by my rules and my ethics. And save for people saying I bought the tag, they couldn't ever question how hard I hunted or the ethics behind it. And not that my peers opinons dictate what I do and do not do, but we're all hunters, and we call spades spades and thats what is happening on this thread. In the scenario given, the guy did well with his donation, then did everything he could NOT to go and hunt with it. Instead, he paid others to hunt for him, and he pulls the trigger. And thats truly sad
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I agree with you. I can attest that most here do as well when it comes to working hard for a trophy.
Keep in mind though, hunting isn't always what we as individuals define it to be. What about road hunting? To many that is the way they do it. Hunting deer with dogs? Push hunting? High fences? Tree stands? Bait? Paying others to find you a big one so you can try and find time to clear from your busy schedule to go and shoot it?
I think you understand what I am trying to say.
Good luck on you upcoming hunt. Be safe and take lots of pictures for us.
Chef
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Keep in mind though, hunting isn't always what we as individuals define it to be. What about road hunting? To many that is the way they do it. Hunting deer with dogs? Push hunting? High fences? Tree stands? Bait? Paying others to find you a big one so you can try and find time to clear from your busy schedule to go and shoot it?
I think you understand what I am trying to say.
Good luck on you upcoming hunt. Be safe and take lots of pictures for us.
Chef
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" What about road hunting? "
Illegal everywhere as far as I know and for multiple reasons.
Hunting deer with dogs?
Illegal also in many states now, and/or with major restrictions. I was a part of dog hunting as a kid and there was no Hunting to it. Sit and wait for a dog to runa deer by you. Not much scotuing involved, stand placements etc etc - just get in a good saddle and wait for a tired deer to run by. Its gone for the most part and with reason.
Push hunting? Bait? treestands?
Each has issues and questions for certain, but by and large its still hunting that requires quite a bit of work, planning and all that is involved with Hunting. IMO
" High fences? Paying others to find you a big one so you can try and find time to clear from your busy schedule to go and shoot it? "
Both have serious ethics issues and need to be taken on an individual basis. 100 acres like Old Stone Fence etc should NOT be affiliated in any way with Hunting. Ranches in Africa - different story.
" I think you understand what I am trying to say. "
Yessir, I do, and I have thought and answer on every scenario because I've thought about it long and hard and argued many threads on it.
" Good luck on you upcoming hunt. Be safe and take lots of pictures for us. "
I bought a Canon S2 especially for this hunt - pictures WILL be taken and many !
Illegal everywhere as far as I know and for multiple reasons.
Hunting deer with dogs?
Illegal also in many states now, and/or with major restrictions. I was a part of dog hunting as a kid and there was no Hunting to it. Sit and wait for a dog to runa deer by you. Not much scotuing involved, stand placements etc etc - just get in a good saddle and wait for a tired deer to run by. Its gone for the most part and with reason.
Push hunting? Bait? treestands?
Each has issues and questions for certain, but by and large its still hunting that requires quite a bit of work, planning and all that is involved with Hunting. IMO
" High fences? Paying others to find you a big one so you can try and find time to clear from your busy schedule to go and shoot it? "
Both have serious ethics issues and need to be taken on an individual basis. 100 acres like Old Stone Fence etc should NOT be affiliated in any way with Hunting. Ranches in Africa - different story.
" I think you understand what I am trying to say. "
Yessir, I do, and I have thought and answer on every scenario because I've thought about it long and hard and argued many threads on it.
" Good luck on you upcoming hunt. Be safe and take lots of pictures for us. "
I bought a Canon S2 especially for this hunt - pictures WILL be taken and many !
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For the life of me, I can't figure out why people keep coming on here complaining about the way other people hunt. The way this guy is hunting is not illegal, and he bought a tag that will help wildlife. By fighting amongst ourselves, we don't do anything but hurt the sport. High fences and high cost guides are not my bag, but why should it hurt my feelings if somebody else wants to. The anti-hunting crowd wants to end all hunting. The pro-hunting crowd needs to take the stand that ALL hunting needs to be protected. We cannot afford to give any ground on any hunting issue.
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Not necessarily. He just defined his ethical boundaries as to his definition of hunting. He just gets upset if anyone else's idea doesn't fall with his. I'm sure there are those that would gasp at the mere thought of paying someone for information. Instead of going out and scouting oneself.
In all reality, he used 8 BPs to aquire his tag so it wouldn't be smart not to get as much info as he could on the area.
SPAZ, I agree though, long-winded, but attacking the wrong crowd.
Chef
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In all reality, he used 8 BPs to aquire his tag so it wouldn't be smart not to get as much info as he could on the area.
SPAZ, I agree though, long-winded, but attacking the wrong crowd.
Chef
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Bessy AKA "bobcatbess",
Yeah, you are right, Arnold does have me pissed! I am sure you heard the news. This friggen hole of a state actually has a station charging $4.00+ a gallon.
He needs to give W a call and get some good sound conservative advise. I say we borrow some from IRAQ!
The only bobcat considering a bike!!!!!!!
>BCBOY
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>TAKE NOTE!!!
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>YOU WERE REPLYING TO "BOBCATBEST" AKA
>"KALI-CAT"!!!
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>HE'S BEEN FAIRLY QUIET UNTIL RECENTLY,I
>WONDER IF 'ARNOLD' HAS GOT
>HIM STIRRED???
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>HOW ABOUT IT KALI-CAT,GAS PRICES GO
>UP AGAIN OR WHAT???
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>THE ONLY bobcat NOT WANTING MY
>IDENTITY STOLEN!!!
Yeah, you are right, Arnold does have me pissed! I am sure you heard the news. This friggen hole of a state actually has a station charging $4.00+ a gallon.
He needs to give W a call and get some good sound conservative advise. I say we borrow some from IRAQ!
The only bobcat considering a bike!!!!!!!
>BCBOY
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>TAKE NOTE!!!
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>YOU WERE REPLYING TO "BOBCATBEST" AKA
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>HE'S BEEN FAIRLY QUIET UNTIL RECENTLY,I
>WONDER IF 'ARNOLD' HAS GOT
>HIM STIRRED???
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>HOW ABOUT IT KALI-CAT,GAS PRICES GO
>UP AGAIN OR WHAT???
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>THE ONLY bobcat NOT WANTING MY
>IDENTITY STOLEN!!!
The point I was getting at is not every big animal is taken by hard work. Some times big animals can just fall in our laps. Does that mean if we have the opportunity to kill a big one because of $hithouse luck that we shouldn't pull the trigger? Because, if you follow the logic of this thread through, that wouldn't be hunting because it wasn't earned. For us average joes, most of the time we have to make our own luck, but the rich dudes can buy a little of it. Just because there is a team of guides who scout their a$$es off for the client, don't mean the buck is a sitting duck. I'm sure many a big buck has eluded even the best guides out there.
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This is almost exactly the same scenerio as the "Legend of the Strip" buck that Hatch and Tory Brock found for the guy who bought the Arz. tag. They found a 295 buck on the strip and watched it constantly until opening day.
Money aside what would you do if you found a 295 buck. I'll bet if you had the time you would watch it for a month to make sure you had him pegged too.
Furthermore the guy who bought that tag probably has a little money, and he probably has to work for it so he couldn't be there for a month in a row. Does that mean he wouldn't have wanted to? You can't say. If you pay that much for a tag though it would be stupid not to capitalize on it.
Quit bitching
Money aside what would you do if you found a 295 buck. I'll bet if you had the time you would watch it for a month to make sure you had him pegged too.
Furthermore the guy who bought that tag probably has a little money, and he probably has to work for it so he couldn't be there for a month in a row. Does that mean he wouldn't have wanted to? You can't say. If you pay that much for a tag though it would be stupid not to capitalize on it.
Quit bitching
Nmtaxi ? He?s not hunting
? Looks like a long-winded hypocrite to me ?
You could say that I suppose. I mentioned it up front to make a point and that is, there ARE many different ways to hunt. I saved 8 years of PP?s, paid to be pointed to a unit, to an area ? everything else is up to me. The scenario given ? He bought his way around the draw system, hired a bunch of guys to do his scouting and find the deer, using planes, having people sit on deer until he can come in and pull the trigger, etc etc.
You think that is the same thing ? That's fine, everyone has their own opinion which is what I'm giving ? mine. I know that after spending months to get in hiking shape, 8 years of saving PP?s, 2 weeks of vacation, backpacking in on my back and busting my tail trying to find a good deer to shoot, doing all that work myself and carrying all the meat, cape and horns out myself etc etc ???.. I think I earned my deer. If the guy in the scenario thinks he earned his ? Yeah ??? okay, I guess whatever floats his boat. Its not the same kind of Hunting to me though.
BCBOY ? blind dumb luck happens, take it when it does ! Yes, lucking into a B&C the first minutes of the first day of the hunt isn't nearly the satisfaction as hunting it hard for 10 days and shooting it last light ??? but ideally wouldn't all our hunts go like that ? Trip of a lifetime, everything goes perfect and the big one gets taken on the last evening ?
I think there's a difference is all. There is a difference in earning your buck, and buying one. If you don't think there is, fine, it's a personal belief of mine that I'll teach my kids that taking the easy road is missing out on much of what Life is. Buying a big bull off EBAY for $5,000, driving up to Kansas City and shooting it in a 5 acre pen isn't Hunting. Its taking the easy road to having a big mount on the wall. Paying huge amounts for a tag, hiring everyone to do the work for you, and just showing up to pull the trigger ? That aint a whole lot different in my book, it really isn't.
And I'm not bitching, I'm discussing an issue I find VERY important to the future of Hunting. I personally believe that Canned Hunting is going to kill our sport. Outfits like USO are doing us no favors either. Shooting and killing and doing it all just to have a big set of horns on your wall is missing the whole POINT of Hunting. I hope I bust my ass for 7 hard days in brutal country, take hundreds of pictures, I hope my hunting buddy kills his first bull elk, I'll say a few prayers along the way while enjoying God's country, and if I happen to shoot a big buck ? Icing on the cake guys, icing on the cake. Its the GOAL ........ but its the JOURNEY thats fulfilling and meaningful.
? Looks like a long-winded hypocrite to me ?
You could say that I suppose. I mentioned it up front to make a point and that is, there ARE many different ways to hunt. I saved 8 years of PP?s, paid to be pointed to a unit, to an area ? everything else is up to me. The scenario given ? He bought his way around the draw system, hired a bunch of guys to do his scouting and find the deer, using planes, having people sit on deer until he can come in and pull the trigger, etc etc.
You think that is the same thing ? That's fine, everyone has their own opinion which is what I'm giving ? mine. I know that after spending months to get in hiking shape, 8 years of saving PP?s, 2 weeks of vacation, backpacking in on my back and busting my tail trying to find a good deer to shoot, doing all that work myself and carrying all the meat, cape and horns out myself etc etc ???.. I think I earned my deer. If the guy in the scenario thinks he earned his ? Yeah ??? okay, I guess whatever floats his boat. Its not the same kind of Hunting to me though.
BCBOY ? blind dumb luck happens, take it when it does ! Yes, lucking into a B&C the first minutes of the first day of the hunt isn't nearly the satisfaction as hunting it hard for 10 days and shooting it last light ??? but ideally wouldn't all our hunts go like that ? Trip of a lifetime, everything goes perfect and the big one gets taken on the last evening ?
I think there's a difference is all. There is a difference in earning your buck, and buying one. If you don't think there is, fine, it's a personal belief of mine that I'll teach my kids that taking the easy road is missing out on much of what Life is. Buying a big bull off EBAY for $5,000, driving up to Kansas City and shooting it in a 5 acre pen isn't Hunting. Its taking the easy road to having a big mount on the wall. Paying huge amounts for a tag, hiring everyone to do the work for you, and just showing up to pull the trigger ? That aint a whole lot different in my book, it really isn't.
And I'm not bitching, I'm discussing an issue I find VERY important to the future of Hunting. I personally believe that Canned Hunting is going to kill our sport. Outfits like USO are doing us no favors either. Shooting and killing and doing it all just to have a big set of horns on your wall is missing the whole POINT of Hunting. I hope I bust my ass for 7 hard days in brutal country, take hundreds of pictures, I hope my hunting buddy kills his first bull elk, I'll say a few prayers along the way while enjoying God's country, and if I happen to shoot a big buck ? Icing on the cake guys, icing on the cake. Its the GOAL ........ but its the JOURNEY thats fulfilling and meaningful.
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The trophy is in the eyes of the hunter. So what if someone pays money for a governor tag and then hires a guide. If that is how they want to kill "THIER" trophy, then let it be.
Last year on our property I watched 3 very nice bucks for a week straight and knew their pattern for the morning afternoon and evening. I did this for a friend who was at college and didn't have time to scout. That morning I told him what the bucks had been doing the previous week and sat with him through the hunt. He killed a real nice 23" 4 point that first morning of the hunt. You should have seen the smile on his face when he walked up to the buck.
So am I the hunter in this situation and he is just the killer?
Last year on our property I watched 3 very nice bucks for a week straight and knew their pattern for the morning afternoon and evening. I did this for a friend who was at college and didn't have time to scout. That morning I told him what the bucks had been doing the previous week and sat with him through the hunt. He killed a real nice 23" 4 point that first morning of the hunt. You should have seen the smile on his face when he walked up to the buck.
So am I the hunter in this situation and he is just the killer?
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PhantomLord
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I cant believe the people that actually drive their trucks from thier house up to the mountain, that is so unfair to the deer. I mean really who decided to put a road up through the mountains, my grandfather use to live at the top of the mountain and walk to school in the valley everyday, in 4 ft of snow, up hill both ways
