Nevada Governors tags

[bearman]

Well this is sure to make the glory hounds mad but this was Nevada's take on it. I sat in on the county level meeting that was packed and every one voted to not have the governors tag go year round. The talk went strait to spider bull, and how soon will B&C stop these hunts from being allowed in the book. The talk went to the state commission level and it went the same way. Not one person was in favor. It was stated that as long as it was an open hunt that the books would allow it in. And Nevada was not going to give them any longer than the public. Their hunt would not open before the public. Every one said at some point the B&C would need to stop this as being fair chase. The commission stated even if it cost the department money this was not fair to the guy putting in for his life to get a tag and a guy with money could hunt before, during and after they could hunt. Way to go first Nevada. Now when will the books start to look at fair chase? Ok lets hear it from the glory hounds.

 

[piper]

The folks in Nevada play things up one way or the other, so it doesn't surprise me. The truth is Nevada needs to have a little more excitement in promoting their elk hunting and expanding opportunity, and governers tags are a way of doing that, they raise money and awareness. Utah has maybe twice the habitat for elk, but more than six times as many elk, and because of that there's much more opportunity for regular hunters, The whole spider show is somewhat comical I agree, but some of the anti wildlife, anti hunting, political drama thats goes on in Nevada, wouldn't happen in Utah, and governers tags are part of that equation.

 

[bearman]

The main reason Nevada doesn't have more elk is the ranchers fight tooth and nail to keep numbers down. And they have a lot of political influence. We have been working to get the Wells resource elk plan re-opened for a year and a half. But the ranchers have been able to stop it so far. Nevada is around 10% of the total number of elk that the habitat can sub-stain.

 

[westelkman]

I agree in principal with the gov tags but something just didn't smell right to me about those all year seasons. A real slap in the face to the average guy applying.

"In nature there are neither rewards nor punishments; there are consequences"
Robert Green Ingersoll

 

[spidey]

nevada is right on this one. they can hunt anywhere they want and pay anyone to take them, so at least limit the time that money can buy. You can always smell a utard when they post. Utah is going down as fast as it went up, so don't kid yourself about how utah is so supreme. However, ranchers have just as much say as sportsman do, keep that in mind bearman. that is their lively hood. Imagine if a group of people were telling you how to do your job or manage your property.

 

[HNTBIGBULLS]

Governors tags in Utah do not alow you
to hunt year round on the tag all those
tags are open from September 1st to
December 31, It is quite a difference
if you can hunt them in Jan, June, July
and August.

Look at Arizona, I think there seasons are from
Aug 1st till July 31st.

In any state it is fairly easy to see animals
in June, July and August.

I dont think that the spider bull should even
be brought up, he was killed during the open
LE season.

 

[proutdoors]

"I dont think that the spider bull should even be brought up, he was killed during the open LE season."

Now why do you got to go and use logic in such a debate! WTH? This stuff in Nevada is little more than grandstanding.

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[lazyCflyinV]

My main concern with the Nevada Gov tags has always been the weapons issue. The Gov tag holder has always been able to use any legal weapon during any season...in other words most of the time the the bulls are killed during the archery or muzzle hunt with the Gov tag holders rifle because these seasons are usually in or near the rut. I have no problem with someone laying out the cash to hunt whatever he wants but I think he needs he needs to use the weapon of the season just like everyone else. Over the years in Nevada there have been conflicts between draw tag holders and Gov tag holders in the field over this very issue.

 

[Avsman]

I just look at it like this with out that big money tag in their pocket its poaching, I say a GOV tag is legal at the start of Archery season but you must use the weapon specified in that season, You can hunt in Archery season but they must use a Bow, ECT. now when it gets to the end of the regular seasons and its on in to the winter months Any weapon till the end of the year that would make it way more challenging and way more fair and honestly I dont think they would mind this rule change and it wouldnt hurt the price of the tags. Just my .02$

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[jcmuleys]

If you could afford these kinds of tags would you have the same opinion?? Or if your lively hood was guiding these kinds of hunters would you have the same opinion? If your hunting tags went up to cover the amount of money these tags bring in would you still feel the same about it?? These hunters contribute a large chunk of money to all of our states to help with management and conservation.
JC

 

[piper]

Spidey- that was a cute quip about smelling a utard, but it seems your nose isn't working very well, Utahs elk hunting is far superior to Nevadas on average, as Nevadas elk hunting went on big decline more than a decade ago. The anolagy about someone telling you how to manage your property is true in this sense, ranchers in Nevada use their wealth and political connections to tell the public how to manage their public lands, and its definitely not for the benifit of sportsmen or wildlife

 

[Califelkslayer]

I'm kinda unclear on the debate BUT I'll comment on one aspect.

Utah twice the habitat, 6Xs the elk????????

I would bet Nevada has 1/6th or less the habitat of Utah.

Both states are managing their elk better than most and so there aren't a dozen 400" bulls killed every year, so what????

 

[piper]

not quite califelkslayer, Nevada has a lot of under used habitat, I know both states pretty well, especially Nevada, Elko county alone has a lot of habitat within its ten thousand square mile area, and elk habitat has increased over the years due to wildfires, I could name dozens of mountain ranges in Nevada that could support far more elk than are there now, and the habitat reports from biologists support that, just because you see more trees in utah doesn't mean there is that much more habitat, Elk actually do well in open country and can travel quite far for water. over the good years and bad Utah has maintained aproximately twice as many mule deer as Nevada, and I imagine elk numbers could be similar.

 

[ELKOHUNTER]

didn't we have this talk once already piper? Look sure there is SOME places that we can have more elk in. your talking about 101-108 mostly. But come on whats wrong with what we have? I would rather have big bulls then lots of bulls. And right now we have big bulls. Why do I need to look at another state and want what they have when I have some of the best hunting in the west? If we where to have lots of elk in 10 we would cut the deer tags in half for there. So why should we? Why can't we just go to where the elk are(111) and hunt there? And you need to remember. The ranchers lives are in the hands(hoofs) of there cows. Elk eat hay so then threes less for there cows. So what does that mean? Less money they have to live off of. so you need to cut them just a little slack on this. just my thoughts. And how can you say we have lots of area for elk to grow and live when we are the driest state in the US and last time I looked elk MUST drink every day. So I'm not sure how that's working out.

("For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9")

 

[piper]

it never ends, and your opinion is fine, but if you don't believe me go to the NDOW office and ask to read the carrying capacity and biology report on some of the different elk managment areas in Elko county, and whats wrong with more big bulls, its in how they are managed not how few there are, an example, the adobe range above Elko and the sulphur springs range south east of town have Elk habitat with few deer and even fewer elk, also as a taxpayer its upseting to see all the millions of dollars we spend fighting fires and reseeding areas on public land, and its mostly all for cattle chow, go talk with wildlife biologists in the area, they will tell you deer habitat is declining, and elk and antelope habitat is growing, there is little that can be done about that, so why not take advantage and provide enjoyment for hunters?

 

[ELKOHUNTER]

I'm all for it. But there are just some places we should keep the elk down. But don't get me wrong I would love to have more elk and deer. But in most cases if one goes up the other goes down. So like you said in places that the deer are going down lets put more elk in if theres water and cover and all that good stuff for them. But in places like 10 lets just keep the elk down so the deer keep growing. Do I make since?

("For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9")

 

[NVguide]

We on the White Pine County game board voted to have the year round season, for the simple fact that if the season were to run year round it would make flying for the purpose of wildlife against the law year round.

 

[Buckhunter1]

Man I love Nevada!Lets see if they can level the playing field? As far as B&C goes I always pay homage to the animal not the hunter.Lets face it some trophys are earned some are not.Fair chase to one person might be borderline illegal to another. Example, high racks in old Mexico are legal and you dont hear B&C complaining,in California you get a ticket! Just my thoughts. BH1

 

[toothache]

Is the main part of fair chase the competition with other hunters in the field? Or is the season length a factor in fair chase for mountain lion because it is year round. Lets not hide behind fair chase when the real problem is money. It seems like the chances of getting money out of a hunter to support wildlife is damn near ZERO. If one prime GOV tag can support us as a group then why wouldn't we want the help. All these groups want to limit hunting and keep us out of the woods and they have the money and resources to chip away at us. I would think that the value of a couple of trophy animals could fund an enormous effort to support what we love. A single mountain lion will kill hundreds of our animals and thousands die of old age. What is the big deal to add a couple more $100,000 checks to support our agenda. I just think its funny that we are all happy driving around in our Honda until some guy drives past us in a Ferrari. Then its not fair. Well thats why we all voted for Obama. He is going to make life fair by making the benifits for working the same as doing nothing. We as a group cant even agree on the best ways to fund our conservation efforts. Well then we all need to get rid of the auction tags and get out our check books while we watch a couple more animals die of old age. Makes sense to me.

 

[bearman]

There are always two sides, the main thing I wanted to show that on this site you have a lot of people for the big money part of hunting. Off of this site most people are sick of it. This last week I had spoke with the man that was hunting the spider bull. He told me the first hand story of how he was tricked by the guy that claims he found the bull for mossback. Any way for Nevada we could have TEN times the elk. The more sportsmen get involved the more control they will have.