Some Reading About the Spider Bull

[OutdoorWriter]

These are links to some reading on the B&C site about the Spider bull. The last one is the most interesting.

http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_newwr.asp?area=bgRecords

http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_newwr2.asp?area=bgRecords

http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_newwr3.asp?area=bgRecords

TONY MANDILE

How To Hunt Coues Deer

 

[browtine]

Thanks for the links Tony. What are some of your thoughts about the articles?

Later, Brandon

 

[shotgunjim]

I think the part where it says, " According to Doyal, they did not have anyone trying to keep constant surveillance on the bull" is interesting.

I never thought it was a farm bull, that theory never made sence to me. But just looking for signs of ear tags and tatoos isn't conclusive evidence either. Why not just do a DNA test and shut everyone up?

Thats the 3rd version of how the hunt went down that I have read. The other two being in newspapers. They were all similar but different. So thinking that Denny and Doyal would never lie to B & C, the article in B & C is how it actually went down and the newspapar articles were just BS even though they were written from interviews with Doyal and Denny.

 

[fldrw22]

Hey Browtine,Hows it Cracker,Do you have any info on how old the bull was .

 

[mozey]

"and the newspapar articles were just BS even though they were written from interviews with Doyal and Denny"

I can tell you from personal experience(s) that you can tell two different reporters the exact same story word for word, and they'll still both manage to get it wrong in completely different ways. And I don't believe it's all innocent mistakes, either. Many times, there's a hidden agenda that they're trying to push. It's been my experience that reporters get it wrong more often than they get it right. Makes it very difficult for me to believe anything I see in print or hear on the news...


Thanks for sharing those links, Tony.

 

[GSH]

Spyder is not a farm bull, a DNA test will only tell you that it is indeed an elk.

 

[OutdoorWriter]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-09 AT 09:04AM (MST)[p]Brandon,

I'm ambivalent on all this auction tag crap. What was meant to be a shot in the arm for conservation has been turned into a promotion for commercialization instead.

I know this won't make me popular here, but I'm sad hunting has been perverted into a "what did he score" sport.

GSP,

Dead on. DNA for critters is no different than DNA for people. It will do nothing but show species and relationship info. But for the latter, you would also need the DNA for other animals to match it against. Even at that the DNA of each individual elk will have slight differences from one to another, just as human DNA does. That's how they can match the DNA from a crime scene or victim to the perp who left it.


TONY MANDILE

How To Hunt Coues Deer

 

[stealth_archer]

"He confirmed that the bull was shot on public land, and further that they had investigated claims (by unidentified third parties) that Austad and Moss had trespassed and hunted on private property. They found that Austad and Moss had indeed approached private land boundaries, but, by their tracks had remained on public land and had not trespassed. He said that there also had been reports of National Forest roads being illegally blocked, supposedly by Mossback Outfitters, but they could never find a person who actually saw this ? it was always 3rd party info."

"I also talked with Fishlake National Forest Biologist Craig Rasmussen by telephone. He has 15 years experience in the area. A friend of his believes he saw the same bull the fall before, as many antler characteristics were the same. He said he saw the bull during the rut a couple times, and was amazed that someone hadn't harvested the bull before Austad did."

Question, the first paragraph indicates that they do not know the "thrid party" who made the statements therefore the must not be true. The second paragraph talks about a thrid party, which they know, so it must be true. WTF?

As for the "DNA" theory, yes they will be able to tell if the elk is an elk, but the should be able to test for chemicals in the DNA indicating other wise.

"Responding to rumors that the bull was a ?stocked? bull, they examined the cape and head at the taxidermist for any evidence of old ear tags, lip tattoos or other game farm ID that are both required and typical of such animals, and found no evidence of such."

Playing the devils advocate, if you knew that a bull had great potential for the 500" mark, and you could cut a deal with someone to purchase the tag for $175K and pay an ungodly amount for guide fees, and split the profits, why would you ID it. I just find it strange that no one, other than the B&C's friends friend had ever seen the bull previously......especially the Mossback crew. They shoot some amazing animals and I am not taking anything away from them, but something just does not seem to add up.

Just my two cents and thanks for posting the articles.