does mossback give prefrence to high paying clients?

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stinkystomper

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I think this post may not last long but here's the truth to those who want it! Let me re-iterate what doyle has told me. Bulls that his governor tag hunters kill usually would not have been spotted without the governor tag hunters paying to put spotters in the field to find these guys. Are they reserved for the governor tag hunters? Yes and no! Obviously the gov. tag will be put on the bull from the get go and be on him most of the time. If that same bull is spotted by a spotter in another unit the governor hunter will definitely be notified first. However, if another mossy hunter in the field ran across that bull he would in no way be told he couldn't shoot the bull. It's basically a free for all. Why did I choose not to hunt with mossback? Because if there was even a remote possiblity that the governor tag hunter was gonna be goin after a bull on my unit that would mean that I would not get a very good chance at the biggest bull on the unit. sounds stupid but that weighed heavy on my mind when deciding who to use. On a side note, the rest of the clients hunting when someone paid for such extensive scouting reap the benefits of all those eyes in the field. Usually the scouting for a 430+ bull results in numerous 400 and 390 bulls being scouted up for the other hunters. Sooooooooo take it for what you will and that is the whole case! The vast amounts of gov tag hunters paying mossy to find monsters may be one of the main reasons of why mossy has killed so many big bulls for his average hunters. Just a thought to ponder about the other side. Yes it may not be DIY and all but I think this finalizes my original post about the original thread regarding this issue. Now mods, feel free to nuke away.






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Nothing like throwing Doyle and Team Mossback under the Bus Huh!
You know I sit and listen to this crap being slung around like its the truth, fact is most of what you here about Mossback is from a guy who knows a guy who said this happened. Stinky, you think for one second that Mossback wouldnt give you a crack at a bull of the caliber that your talking about, even as a repeat client (you were wern't you)down on the Dutton. I think the fame of this Spider Bull has finally been the straw that broke the camels jelousys BACK. I will admit it I GUIDE for Doyle, I will probably catch hell for even entertaining this kind of Crap on line that is slung around..... The truth.... Most all the hunts Mossback does are 2 Guides to 1 Hunter and Months of scouting by guys that work normal jobs, yet, spend our nights, every free morning and weekends trying to find the caliber of bull that would make Trophy Hunters Happy. I have never and I mean never got online to sit and defend Mossback, but I am finally sick of this sluge and What IF senerios!
Stinky you know that the guys that have more spotters that normal paid for the hunt to be that way, dont kid yourself into thinking that mossback is the only outfitter to ever do this, doyle just gives some credit to HIS TEAM of Guides and Spotters, and lets the info be public by putting it on his Videos!
Sorry.... No Hard feelings..... SEE YA ON THE MOUNTIAN!
 
You get what you pay for. Look at his price list and it says so in black and white. You pay for extra spotters by the day, extra days of scouting, extra trophy fees for the largest animals, etc. Obviously the guys that can pay more are going to have a better chance at the biggest bulls.

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LAST EDITED ON May-06-09 AT 09:14AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON May-06-09 AT 09:08?AM (MST)

Ok, first of all. Stinky talked to doyle yesterday before this post. This post is to clear up some of the misunderstandings that the two (ss and doyle) had in the past and to explain exactly why he chose not to go with mossy. By no means is anything SS ever said on here something he heard from a guy who heard from a guy. Second, I beleive that this post is to try to clean up from some of the harsh statements stinky feels he may have made in the past. These said statements were not to run doyle down or be mean, but to let others know why he didnt go with doyle. Stinky was very impressed that doyle cared enough to call and speak with him. That being said he has no annimosity towards doyle or any of his guides. The only real issue he has here, is that he feels that you are not allowed to discuss any issue you may have w mossback if what you say appears it could be taken as negetive in ANY way. However it seems you can trash any other outfitter and nobody cares. Is this doyles fault? No, while he is a sponsor on this site, he has no say in what posts stay or go. All that being said, SS has tremedous respect for doyle and his team of guides. No hard feelings here.






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Highpeak, qt was right. I was trying to be nice. I re-read my post and can't find anything wrong with it. I never said "IF" a big bull was found the gov hunter would be brought in. I said "IF" the bull you guys watched all year just for the gov hunter was found that he would be called and brought in. ????? I don't think that is wrong or offensive. Sorry if it is. I was just trying to clarify my earlier statement that got nuked. Yes I was suprised that Doyle was nice enough to call and clear bad air between us two. I thought I owed it to him to clarify things on here and really not mention the fact that we talked. I'm kinda sick of this mossback stuff on here and wanted to make one final post. That being said I will not visit anymore mossback issues. I think you have a great job and the fact doyle called me last night wondering how he ever offended me spoke volumes. I've trashed him on here more than a few times and Doyle called me and appologized! I kinda feel like crap that it wasn't the other way around and would like everyone to know that some people aren't as bad as they are sometimes made to be and yes I made him out to be bad. So yes, this is one of my rare post where I say I'm sorry and yes its to Doyle. Let this be my last post on the subject.






He who stomps the greatest stinky wins!
 
It seems the guys who pay to play are always paranoid that somehow someone with more money than them will get the chance at the biggest bull, buck, whatever. If you are afraid to hunt the unit on your own and find your own animal just be glad someone is there to hold your hand, find your animal, and take care of it for you. There should be a seperate category in the record books for animals that were killed by guided hunters with the guides getting the credit since they are the true hunters other than pulling the trigger which is usually the easiest aspect of killing trophy animals. I wonder how many rich guys would puff their chests and brag about being great golfers if they could pay a pro golfer to hit the tee shot get the ball on the green and then let them try the 4 foot putt. I can afford premium guided hunts but it would mean nothing to me to kill a trophy when all I brought to the table was money and the shot.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-06-09 AT 10:09AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON May-06-09 AT 10:07?AM (MST)

I have a lot of respect for Doyle, McClendon and the other top name guides that consistently put clients on monster bulls.
What make me uneasy about Mossback is their web site (last time I checked) clearly stated there was a premium, or trophy fee for any bull grossing over 400. I believe it was an extra 5 grand, above the 6 1/2 grand that the hunt cost.
What if an average, working class guy saves every extra penny to pay 6 1/2 grand for a guided hunt with Mossback. He does not have an extra 5 grand, so what do the guides do if they know of a 410 class bull in the unit ? Do they steer him away from it ? What if the guy is Mossbacks only hunter in that unit, that season, but they have a high dollar hunter coming in a few weeks, do they avoid the drainage the bull lives in ? Do they just not mention the bull to the hunter ?
It would make me very uneasy to think the hunter who paid $6,500 was NOT getting the best effort from his guide.

I'll have 10 Utah points next year (nonresident), I'm starting to get within range of some pretty decent tags. I'll probably go DYI, but IF I could afford a guide, I certainly couldn't afford an extra 5 grand if I got lucky, and one of the main reason to pay for a guided hunt is to increase your chances of getting lucky.

1highpeak, I would appreciate a serious answer to this question.

If I booked a hunt with Mossback, knowing I could not come up with the extra 5 grand, would my guide give me his best effort at the biggest bull he knows of in the unit ? What's going to happen if I get (real) lucky, and knock down a bull that tapes 401 ?
 
From the outsider looking in:
First off, I respect guys that have the knowledge and resources to be in the field of hunting that we all love. I have read many posts from PRO and think he is a very knowledgeable person when it comes to Elk in general. Stinky sounds like the same kind of person, but wants everyone to know it.. Someone in another Stinky post mentioned that the Stinky/Dutton saga is going to be as big as the "Spider bull" saga of last year. IMO, Stinky has this personal vendetta to out do Mossback this year. That may be a bigger deal to him than his actual hunt. Sounds to me like both Stinky and Pro have both been affiliated with Mossback in the past and for some reason have parted ways. Bad blood between them, Maybe, but Stinky going with Pro sounds like someone looking for someone with the same agenda of out doing Mossback. Its true, I am the one who clicks on the thread and reads all the stuff about how great of hunter Stinky and his amazing shots and his muscles and how he out hikes the world. But daily posts about this only lessens your fan base IMO. I don't know, maybe I am out of line, but all they hype only pushes people off the Stinky band wagon. Personally, I hope you have a great time and score a giant bull, I just hope your agenda to out do Mossback doesn't get in the way of what you and all of us can agree should be the "hunt of a lifetime".
 
Mossback, Pro, Stinky..........man i'm glad i'm not in the loop on THIS deal! ;-)

I'm going elk huntin this fall looking for the biggest, baddest bull on that rock pile and my mind won't be on anything else but!!
There is no "personal vandetta, or "saga" in me....just a damn good elk hunt of a lifetime with my team.......... outcome pending.






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Will there be some of those tie dyed T shirts I remember mentioned earlier available for purchase??? :D

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LAST EDITED ON May-06-09 AT 10:58AM (MST)[p]Ok, Without going into details about the pro/doyle connection (cuz frankly it doesnt matter). SS is about as loyal a man you will ever meet. LONG story short. SS had been talking to pro when he decided to go for it this year and lay all the cards on the table. Based on long discussions with pro and a TON of other people, he felt PRO was one of the most experienced guides when it came to hunting the dutton. SS wanted PRO to be his guide, if pro was with mossback then he would be hunting with mossback. However pro is not. What im saying is that it doesnt matter who pro works for or with, SS chose pro for a reason. Nothing against Mossback. He just felt he would get a better bang for his buck this way. I KNOW that SS doesnt give a CRAP about out doing anybody. He just wants the hunt of a lifetime while he is still able to do it. Besides even if it were about out doing MB, what a tremendous compliment that would be. We all know MB has made a name for themselves and is the TOP outfitter out there. SS doesnt have a "Vendetta" against MB or anyone else. Did he not just appologize for being a butthead? I dont know how you could even think that. He doesnt give a CRAP about having a "fan club" . Let me say this, he is a 10yr old in a mans body when it comes to hunting. He eat, sleeps and breathes it. This is an outlet for his excitement, and thank GOD, cuz lord knows i get sick of discussing the SAME thing over and over again. it just sucks cuz as harsh as he was to doyle and mb, he had the balls to get on here and say he was wrong and say he was sorry. That is a H3LL of a lot more than i can say for a lot of the people on here like you, who judge him and trash him. This post of yours, and the one from romulus, are perfect examples of why the post that you are refering to about him being wonderful even exists... He did not ask anyone to post it. People who made that post are actually the people who know him, have hunted with him and are tired of people like you talking smack. That being said, I dont know why you are being so critical of SS. SS is going on the quest for HIS hunt of a lifetime, if you want to be happy for/with him fine. If not, then quit reading post concerning him and go read some other post. Won't bother him any. :)








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And yes you are absolutely correct Deerlove, that is why i joined this site.... it keeps me TOTALLY entertained. These guys are worse than us chicks sometimes!!! LMAO!!!!



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CS, if you'd like to join our team, i'll get you a shirt ordered right away buddy!
I hope you able to squeeze into an extra small, cuz that's all we get!! Lol







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cool, an extra small just might make my puny little pecks appear to be "Man Boobs" :D

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For the record, I have NO animosity toward Doyle! I have the utmost respect for him and many of the guides he has as well. I am only worried about having fun on the mountain and making good friends.

PRO

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Like I said. It is all on me, I am the one who clicks on the thread, but it is just too hard to resist. It is very entertaining to me to see someone hype up a hunt this much.. I wouldn't expect you to do anything but defend him. You are his wife from what I gather, so good on ya. I am not trying to trash him, I was simply stating what I thought about the whole situation. and I may be way off considering that the only resources I have about this are off this site. Its real easy to trash someone on this site, re-read what you wrote and then a few days later come back and apoligize after seeing that the responses are not going in your favor. I recall some rough water between Pro and MB and now I see rough water between Stinky and MB and seeing that the two are teaming up, a "vendetta" is what I see happening. Two guys that have had discrepencies with MB. Outdoing MB seems like the best way to shove it in their face. Like I said, I may be a long ways from the reality of the situation, but Thats what I see when I put two and two together. I really do hope you guys have a great hunt and take a great bull. I am with Stinky when it comes to living the off season through this site, but as I said in my first post, I hope he does not let all the hype and drama get in the way of what should be the "hunt of a lifetime."
 
Anaconda, I can only speak for myself, but if Im guiding you, you WILL see the largest bulls on the Unit(or atleast the ones I can find, or I know about) PERIOD! You will have the opportunity to see and chase bulls of a lifetime, and you can make that decision weather or not your willing to kill it! And thats the TRUTH! I have not personally had to worry about this in my experience, im not saying we havent went after 400inch plus bulls, im not going to sit here and toot my horn, you have probably seen the Vids, We kill some BIG BULLS, ill leave it at that. You have got to realize, Mossback is probalbly the Premier Outfitter for Killing 400inch bulls in Utah, and thats a fact!
Some of the prices may be more than other outfitters, but you have got to look at your overall experience, like Trophy animals, guides, cooks or meals, lodging, being able to meet or exceed your expectations, and overall hunter satisfaction.
I personally do everything I can to make a hunt enjoyable, even in the most Godawfull country that can be hunted.
I have alot of Respect for Doyle, I think he runs a pretty tight ship, sorry if I can't answer all your questions, but I can not speak for anyone but myself.
 
I believe Warren Zevon wrote a song about Stinkbug some 30 yrs ago about the time he was just a gleam in his Daddy's eye...."Excitable Boy". Give the kid a break....he can't sleep thinking about this hunt... neither can I, and I'll bet neither can anyone else who drew a Utah LE elk tag for this fall. Can you imagine what QTPIE must have to deal with CONSTANTLY??!!!
And just so you all know, there is a HUGE $20 bet on biggest bull on the rockpile....and I'm giving SS a head start.... his .50 cal -vs- my DXT (guided by a couple of MB secret weapon mountain goat guides). Nothing worth anything comes easy...so let the games begin! And once mine's on the ground, I'll be hanging around to help him out on his "Quest for the One"! ROFL!!!! Life's too much fun not to live it......and boy does it go fast eh???
 
I almost feel sorry for those Dutton bulls this fall.

With the few groups of professional trophy elk assailants that i know that are going to be there (some wish to remain annonymous), there won't be a bull 1 that won't get looked at by some of the best in the business!!

I can assure you that not one stone will be left unturned ;-)








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QTPIE,

To reiterate what I said on another post on a different subject (although curiously similar in nature) this thread is worthless without pictures!
 
LAST EDITED ON May-06-09 AT 04:45PM (MST)[p]Having Fun ,enjoying the hunt and who your hunting with is what it is all about.

I dont agree with the the comment that MossBack is the premier outfitter in Utah.

He is no doubt one of the best , but not the only outfitter killing Monster Bulls every year , how about Gooches, Jim Hiatt and Todd Black , they are all PREMIER outfitters as well as outstanding individuals.

As a hunter i want the best guide on the mountain i am on as that puts the odds in my favor of killling a great bull and thats what Stinky has done.


Good Luck Guys
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Hey Randy, you left out THE UNCHALLENGED king of big mule deer.....Bucks & Bulls guides and Outfitters :)

They have also taken their share of monster bulls over the years, but choose to keep things on the downlow........and for obvious reasons ;-)






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I have, on rare occasions, gone on guided hunts. I always contact as many guides as I can and talk to them all. Unfortunatly I can only pick one. It doesn't mean that I don't like the others. Sometimes it boils down to a gut feeling only, or the toss of a coin. Sometimes I even have guilt feelings about NOT picking a certain guide. But like I said, you can only pick one.

I don't think SS has a mean bone in his body. I can tell he is extremely excited about the hunt, doesn't want any hurt feelings, and wants a clean fair hunt. I think he chose wisely.

That's just my observation, from the internet, outside looking in.

I wish SS and all the clients well this fall.

Now, get after it!

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Romulus, and Openingday both said it best.
I think everyone is SICK of hearing what a bad a$$ stinky and his cheering section thinks he is!
 
WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!YEA!!!!!!!!!!!WOOOOOOO GO BOYS! YOU GUYS ARE THE MOSTEST AWESOMEST HUNTERS EVER!!!!! I BET YOU ALL SHOOT BETTER, LOOK BETTER, CAN LIFT MORE WEIGHT, SMELL BETTER... uh...LOOK BETTER IN A SMALL SHIRT..... PICK A GUIDE BETTER.....COME TO THINK OF IT, I BET YOU DO almost EVERYTHING BETTER THAN STINKY!!!!


There now you guys can feel better too!
Hope ya'll sleep better tonite.
Now, pull yourselves together men!! GEEZE












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Sadly i know which post you are refering to NV. Im just not so sure what you are wanting/expecting pic wise on this post???? LMAO[font size="22"]



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I didnt mean to leave anyone out ..............


NOW YOU GUYS JUST GO KILL A MONSTER THAT WILL SHUT UM UP>>>>>





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Most, but not all. And my disclaimer "i am not responsible for anything SS says, nor is he for anything i say" Im also a 5' tall smart arse who likes confrontations (not that i had to say that cuz i am a female, so you should not be real surprised.) Now if you are refering to just this one post, then yes. I read it and am not sure what your trying to get at. Just seems to me alot of these guys are ultra sensitive of their male ego's. I was just trying to help :) [font size="22"]



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>Hey QTPIE!
>You need a sedative, girl!
>ROFL!! ;-)
Just feeling my oats slammy! Remember i have been dieting and am calorie deprived. No telling what i might say! :)
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In summary it is not just males of big game species who piss all over themselves to get noticed. Ten minutes of life I'll never be able to recover.

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>Sadly i know which post you are refering to NV. Im just
>not so sure what you are wanting/expecting pic wise
>on this post???? LMAO

QTPIE,
More gratuitous scantily clad pictures would at least make this post interesting. Something to do while sorting through the BS. :)
 
Sounds like good reasons to hunt with Mossback.

The two or three guys I've met there have all been upstanding guys. Hard to argue with their success. Doyle has always been cool when I've met him at shows.

Don't forget we live in a capitalistic society.
 
I thought MM was like the Mafia. You couldn't go after wives or children. Here you guys are giving StinkyStomper's lovey wife a hard time. Where is the respect for the old ways.
 
I have never had the opprtunity to meet Doyle Moss but would very much like to. I have met a few of his spotters and guides on the mountain and in a resteraunt or two, They have been upstanding individuals friendly,profesional, and have been willing to share as much, if not more information as any other hunter i have ran into. For me I would hire team mossback if I had the tag and resourses. I believe they would not give preference to hunters based on finances. I believe as buisness men, that the marketing of any 400 or above bull is were the money is regardless of the shooter . The cd.s the marketing the packaging and the proven success record of a company will in the long run bring in much more money than 1 hunter on one bull. lets face it if you saw the spidey killer in a bar would you recognize him . most of us not, but if that bull was in the bar we would all know its name what it scored and what outfitter guided it . same with all of mossback vidios or any other guides. we all know the bulls and the guides but we hardley ever know the shooters. Buisness is buisness and doyle has made it a good one and in my opinion fairly and ethically.
 

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