Spike Hunt Protest...

peakfreak

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I love getting out and hunting elk ,but I disagree with the new 09'spike hunt regs. So as much as I would love to go spike hunting with everybody in town, I'm protesting it by not supporting it and buying a tag. Same goes for the extra cow tags. If you don't like it then don't support it.
 
Then they'd have to up the any bull tags and REALLY wipe out the top end of the herds even more because they have got to keep numbers and herd sizes in check.
Killing spikes does sound horrible, i agree, but it's better than the alternative in my eyes.

This is the solution to keep descent bulls around on the LE units, along with taking more cows.
Otherwise we'll be like colorado, so many elk and a raghorn is a trophy bull.






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Thanks Slam, you're right. It just seems like everytime the DWR needs some cash they just find a way to sell more tags and more cow tags and we fall for it. I'm just seeing less elk for the past 2-3 years and hate seeing more people in areas that have had less pressure in the past. Time will tell and I hope you're right because I still have 14pts.
 
I agree peak, it's a scary thought i know, but the alternative is what Colorado has and i'm sure you'd hate to wait 14 years for a 5x5 :)
I hope you draw quick though while there's still some good bulls, lowering the age class is going to put a dent in the top end for sure.







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PEAK i couldn't agree more with you i usually hunt spikes on fishlake. And to think of the number of hunters on le units makes me sick. It makes us that drew le tags greatfull and sucks for those of you still waiting for your le tag. While hunters kill future big bulls
 
I can see what slam is saying, but I would not put gas in the truck and spend time loading the trailer for a stinking spike.
 
>I can see what slam is
>saying, but I would not
>put gas in the truck
>and spend time loading the
>trailer for a stinking spike.


I'm with ya ktc on the costs of a spike hunt! I just hope that those that get a over the counter spike tag and hunt a LE ELK UNIT have the respect for those that are hunting a LE DRAW TAG for a mature, big, trophy, once in a lifetime, whatever you want to call it hunt. The spike hunter may really need the the meat and hunting is just hunting to some, but if you have ever had one of these LE TAGS for a big bull there really is a sense of "This may be my last chance" running through your veins.
I can just see it now! Someones 60 yr old Mom finally draws a tag after 16 yrs. She has her 370 bull in the cross-hairs that her sons from Idaho and St.George have both took time from work and family and spent the last two weeks taking turns watching it in a lonely canyon on the best unit in Central Utah. Her heart is pounding as the bull sorts his harem on the open hillside at 275 yrd, and then runs off a young 6 point bull that is just trying to get a sniff. The young bull takes refuge about 75 yards from the herd with a grazing spike, as the 370 bull stands with his ladies ready to take a 180 grain slugg broad-side. BANG the gun goes off and the herd scatters like shattered glass, with the 370 bull in tow, BUT THERE LAYS A BULL ON THE GROUND, A BULL THAT THE OTHER HUNTERS JUST MADE A 575 yrd SHOT ON FROM A FOUR-WHEELER TRAIL IN THE BOTTOM OF THE CANYON! SPIKE BULL!!!!
IT COULD HAPPEN? MAYBE IT WON'T? BUT DANG IF IT DID?

J.SHIPP
 
Accually Mr. Shipp, that senario could not happen unless granny has a archery tag. Because the archery hunt is the only hunt that has spike hunting running the same time as the LE hunts. The genral spike hunt is from Oct 3 to Oct 15. But I do think the spike hunt is a JOKE.

Slam what do you think of this senario instead of spike hunts we do this, give out 100% more archery tags, 50% more Early Muzzy tags, and move the Rifle hunt to the first weekend in October, and put the archery and muzzy hunts closer togther. Also change all the Late Rifle hunts, into Late Muzloader hunts.

This way you are going to spread the age class of bulls that are being killed because Archery and muzzy hunters are not going to be as picky as a rifle hunter that can pick a animal off out to 600 yards away.

Also I have never heard anyone suggest the late hunts being changed to muzzy hunts and would like other peoples oppion on that as well, I think it is a good idea that will keep some of the larger bulls liveing longer.

I like these ideas over the spike hunt because it moves people through the system, unlike the spike hunts.



Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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Jake-
Those are some great a ideas and scenerio's, but for some reason this state doesn't seem to want to budge on our rifle rut hunts.
And as long as this state continues to be the #1 elk state in the country and continues on with our success and out of state dollars pouring in from people wanting a piece of our september hunts, they aren't going to change much of anything.

Hell i don't know anything, this is just my thoughs and opinions only.......... ;-)










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JakeH, What do you think of these hunt dates? This would be the dream senerio, in my Opinion ofcourse for the state of Utah
Aug20-Sept5 General Archery Deer/Archery Spike Bull
Sept 6-13 No Hunts- Time to let the bulls Ramp up for the Rut
Sept15-25 LE Archery Elk
Sept26-Oct5 LE Muzzy Elk/General Muzzy Deer
Oct6-15 LE Any-Wepon Elk
Oct16-23 No Hunts
Oct 24-Nov1 General Rifle Deer/General Spike Bull
Nov7-Nov15 LE LATE Rifle Elk/Management Bull Hunt

The Reason I would put the General Deer with the spike hunt, is we always hear of how the DWR is breaking up the big family camps of the past because no one can draw a tag, well if you dont draw deer, go buy you a Spike tag and hunt with the family anyway! Of course this is my dream season dates, I think that the Late LE should stay rifle, It can be a pretty tough hunt, let alone making guys do it with Muzzys.
What do you guys think?
 
1high I like most of your dates, but I thuink the archers need more time than 10 days. I also am with JakeH on turning the late hunts into muzzy hunts. I really like the ideas the two of you have come up with. We need to move more people through the system and still keep the oppurtuninty for some monsters. It is my opinion that with the new changes the DWR has made we are going to be hurting our LE elk hunts in a bad way. Slam I think peopl;e from out of state are only going to buy a tag for our early rifle hunts if they think they can bag a brute. I feel there aren't going to be very good odds to do so after we have had these changes in place for 4-5 years. JMO.
 
This post is parr coming from a couple guys that get paid for finding other people their elk. Parking their trucks across the road trying to run off other hunters. But what you need to remember it that you do not own the Elk herds or Elk until it dead and tagged by you!!!!

That other hunter that just shot the spike bull may have been my handicap girl who can not walk. or has been unable to travel across the world to pay the big money to hire you folks and your big name guide.We could have spent time on the mountain to watching that same big bull. but because my girl will never draw or possible see 14 years worth of points are you saying it unfair. well Unfair to whom?? Those of you that may have to look harder to find your Trophy bull for the guide who gets paid from the guy with the big money.Well stay home spend the time with your family and stop complaining about losing your easy money. or go to work finding your big bull but do it fair just like the rest of us.

Your right Shipp IT COULD HAPPEN? MAYBE IT WON'T? BUT DANG IF IT DID? My Mother would go with out her bull of a life time just to see the smile on your sons face with his spike bull!!!!!!! What would your mother do?or are we really talking about the man with the big money who just got pissed some handicap girl scared his big bull away/ Keep in mind in the story the big bull never got shot!Do you think people who need the meat because times are tough and fuel is high should not buy the $65 spike or cow tags and hunt the closest area they can. Just so that we do not screw up your finders fee??? I will be taking my girl hunting this year. I sure hope it does not interfere with your tax return.


I changed the story just a little what do you think???



I can just see it now! Someones 60 yr old Mom finally draws a tag after 16 yrs. She has hired a guide to find her the bull of a life time.A few guys that live close to the LE unit who have been paid to do what most of us do all year.( going to the mountain and watching the herds.) She has her 370 bull in the cross-hairs that the few guide helpers (that are getting paid) have both took time from family and spent the last two weeks taking turns watching it in a lonely canyon on the best unit in Central Utah. Her heart is pounding as the bull sorts his harem on the open hillside at 275 yrd, and then runs off a young 6 point bull that is just trying to get a sniff. The young bull takes refuge about 75 yards from the herd with a grazing spike, as the 370 bull stands with his ladies ready to take a 180 grain slugg broad-side. BANG the gun goes off and the herd scatters like shattered glass, with the 370 bull in tow, BUT THERE LAYS A BULL ON THE GROUND, A BULL THAT THE OTHER HUNTERS JUST MADE A 575 yrd SHOT ON FROM A FOUR-WHEELER TRAIL IN THE BOTTOM OF THE CANYON! SPIKE BULL!!!!
IT COULD HAPPEN? MAYBE IT WON'T? BUT DANG IF IT DID?
 
Backwood-

"I can just see it now! Someones 60 yr old Mom finally draws a tag after 16 yrs. She has hired a guide to find her the bull of a life time.A few guys that live close to the LE unit who have been paid to do what most of us do all year.( going to the mountain and watching the herds.) She has her 370 bull in the cross-hairs that the few guide helpers (that are getting paid) have both took time from family and spent the last two weeks taking turns watching it in a lonely canyon on the best unit in Central Utah. Her heart is pounding as the bull sorts his harem on the open hillside at 275 yrd, and then runs off a young 6 point bull that is just trying to get a sniff. The young bull takes refuge about 75 yards from the herd with a grazing spike, as the 370 bull stands with his ladies ready to take a 180 grain slugg broad-side. BANG the gun goes off and the herd scatters like shattered glass, with the 370 bull in tow, BUT THERE LAYS A BULL ON THE GROUND, A BULL THAT THE OTHER HUNTERS JUST MADE A 575 yrd SHOT ON FROM A FOUR-WHEELER TRAIL IN THE BOTTOM OF THE CANYON! SPIKE BULL!!!!
IT COULD HAPPEN? MAYBE IT WON'T? BUT DANG IF IT DID?"

The good news is that scenerio you just described just won't happen because the LE hunts are done BEFORE the spike hunters take their turn ;-)

















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I was sitting in the Wildlife Board meeting when a member of the Wildlife Board directed to the UDWR to bring a spike hunt on all LE units to the Board. This was not a money grab as some claim. The UDWR was actually against the idea in Elk Committee meetings. This baby came from the Wildlife Board, whom the UDWR has no control over.

Now as for spike hunts, I was against them on the smaller LE units. Those who do buy a tag know going into it that they are hunting on a 12% success clip for a spike bull. It just shows that people want to hunt. This will give a small amount of additional opportunity, only time will tell at what cost.

The real problem here is that Utah hunters have come to an expectation that when they draw their tag they are entitled to a non-competetive hunt, during the rut, for 7+ year old bulls. This expectation has created an atmosphere which has led to having to shoot more cows to be able to carry so many bulls and making the waiting period for these tags push into the realm of decades. Screams will and have come when there is talk of moving the hunt out of the rut. Most people want that experience. They have come to expect it, right or wrong.

As for the story everyone is making up I'll add this scenario:
Let's say these guys are on the Pahvant. They baby-sat the 370 bull and while getting in position to shoot, some other LE hunter wacks the smaller 6 point, a 300 bull, scaring off the 370. The new hunters are very proud of their dead bull and the other guys are mad they spooked the 370. Do they congratulate the other hunters or do they confront them? Does it really matter what people shoot as long as they do it within the law?
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-12-09 AT 03:02PM (MST)[p]BACK"S"WOODS,
I love when guys like you take things so personal and a little bit of your feelings get hurt over a simple case senario!
I guess i could get offended too when you state that guys like me and my friends block roads, trails, ect! Kinda funny if you really knew me or half the boys I work with hardly take our nice new shiny trucks ofF the pavment! But that's just us! Hard to block a dirt road when your not even on the dirt road. IT COULD HAPPEN THOUGH? MAYBE IT WON'T? BUT DANG IF IT DID?
Also you are NOT! the only person with a HANDICAP CHILD! Don't use that card on ME or OTHERS? And calling me out on my MOM! And what would she do? WOW? It was just a senario with what I thought was pretty COMMON people. Did I mention ANY guides or so called RICH guys? .....NOPE!
I say again, on these hunts. I hope the person that buys that over the counter SPIKE tag has SOME courtesy for the peeps that draw the LE TAG, and vice versa?


Slam- sorry I made that a rifle senario? Should have been archery! I should know better " heck I own the ELK HERDS" what am I thinking? LOL
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-12-09 AT 12:48PM (MST)[p]BACKSWOODS. Whats stopping you from being a big money guide and making big bucks!!! oh yeah know how.jess and cody have the know how and are dang good at what they do.And prove it with trophy class animals.Do you know how it is to follow a animal for weeks or months living out of a backpack and sleeping bag i do and it's sure as heck isn't worth what they get paid.
 
Hunters have been hunting spikes on the beaver, boulder and fishlake and many other units for a long time and I think anyone would agree that the quality of big bulls is still there. The problem with these types of hunts is the number of big bulls and cows that are intentionally or unintentionally killed during these hunts. I had a warden tell me that most hunters would be shocked if they new how many BIG bulls were killed on spike hunts. He told me this after we reported a trophy bull we found dead opening morning of the spike hunt. I'm with KTC, there are too many other hunts I'd rather spend my time on, however if it came down to spike hunting or no hunting i'd be out there flinging lead with the best of them.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-12-09 AT 01:52PM (MST)[p]Jake, I think you have some good ideas there. I've always thought the rifle hunt should be after the heat of the rut. We should let a few of those big boys breed some cows before we kill them. And having the late hunt as a muzzy is a great idea as well. Shooting bulls with a rifle during the rut it too easy, and if the DWR keeps increasing tag numbers, say goodbye to the big bulls. I think changing the season dates and giving out a few more tags will increase opportunity. Or else quit giving out more tags. If you're waiting 12-15 years for a tag, what's another 2 or 3? Just my opinion.


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Its good to allow some edible bull tags on each limited entry unit. Too bad if that messes with your approach to earning a living. The Utah limited entry units will still be a person's best chance of killing a trophey public land bull in 2015.
 
What the heck is a backswood? Does that mean they get wood from the back or backs into wood? Gotta love the one and only post. This has nothing to do with being a guide or a pay check. I hunt the South West Desert LE elk area for deer and understand the elk pretty well too. Most of the yearling bulls out there are not spikes anyways, but the added pressure will without a doubt push the elk and deer into Nevada and once they see how nice it is over there we will never get them back. If I was a spike hunter I would respect and work with the LE hunter to help him be successful.
 
Jake H.

I have been preaching something close to what you have described for the last year or so. Great Post. More people get to hunt and we aren't going to destroy our elk resource.

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Take out more than you brought in!
 
I thought that spikes were inferior bulls? Don't the bulls with the best antler genetics have more than just a spike on their first set of antlers?

So wouldn't it be a good thing to "cull" off a few of the dinks?

Just wondering what you experts think of this.

DBD
 
I am no expert, but have spent quite abit of time in the field on premium units here in Utah, and from what I have seen, most of the yearlings are Spikes or Spike X 2's, I don't really think you can tell when you shoot a spike if you have just tak'n a future 330 or 430 for that matter.
Just my opinion ofcourse
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-14-09 AT 11:43AM (MST)[p]a spike hunt where anyone in Utah can show up on the same unit is a joke. there goes one age class of bulls down the tube.

Slam
in my opinion a spike hunt on any unit is a joke, big bulls come from little bulls, so killing them from the bottom before they ever have a chance to become anything other than a tomato stake is a waste.

with the spike tags people think they have just saved the high end bulls from extinction. Well they saved a few! They however just added hundreds of years to the chance they will ever have at hunting a high end bull. The have just made them once in 5 life time hunts.

If you have to hunt spikes make them use their points, make them pick a region, make each region have a cap.

a better scenario is Using Arizons plan. they release more archery tags, archers still have to use their points unlike the spike tags. Archers kill from a wider age class. Meaning they seldom take the top end bulls in this state especially with the way the hunt dates end up. Leave the rifle hunt in the rut.
 
The rifle hunt needs to be moved out of the rut. There isn't another state that lets the rifle hunters have a mid rut slaughter like Utah does. We cannot keep increasing tags and maintain quality with the dates the way they are.

Take out more than you brought in!
 
Yes on a spike only hunt there will be some people trying to cheat or make a mistake. For archery that should not happen because of the close proximity but it might. I urge everyone to call in wildlife violations WHEN they happen. Them doing it will see sportsman will not have it and it may help stop it. The officers can't be everywhere. Hell it might go totally opposite of what you all think and work out great. Numbers come back in line, your once in a lifetime tag will still be worth something and it will take pressure off any bull units so there's more of a chance for a bigger bull there too. Better elk hunting statewide given people act like sportsman. Take initiative and help all to have a good hunt, you will have a good hunt too.
 
""I thought that spikes were inferior bulls? Don't the bulls with the best antler genetics have more than just a spike on their first set of antlers?

So wouldn't it be a good thing to "cull" off a few of the dinks?""


deerbedead, that is more true for deer than elk.



Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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actually it is not true for either.

there has been studies done on whitetail deer that say a spike has just as good as a chance to grow up a trophy as any other deer. The test was done on pen raised deer and followed till the deer were mature.




Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
peak,

Thank God you will be done before the spike hunt opens. All the more reason to leave the rifle hunt right where it is.;-)
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-17-09 AT 04:00AM (MST)[p]In Oregon we have this 40 sq. mile fenced in area called the starkey experimental forest. Check out the website. Anyway through experiments they found that when a spike does the breeding the calf is born later in the season and has a lighter birth weight which makes it harder for the calf to make it through it's first winter. When a herd bull does the breeding they proved that the calves are born early and have a greater birth weight. I know as soon as they came out with these studies Oregon started going to the spike hunts. A spike bull is the one thing you would not want to be in the state of Oregon.
 
Give more archery tags, move the rifle dates, Arizona. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Same old chit a different thread. You ever looked at the Arizona odds swb?

Long range 1000 yard shots is a year round commitment!
 
KTC bla bla bla
it is the same message different thread.
I have looked at the odds. Arizona doesn't even have half the elk we do and they have nearly the same amount of people applying as we do. guess what their odds are just as good as ours.

We have loads more elk then they do so using the same senerio as they do we would be able to increase elk tags and our odds and not hurt quality.

KTC are you a spike killer now that you have killed your one big bull in Utah?

Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
Arizona odds suck because people want to hunt big bulls. Look around, Nevada, Wyoming, Arizona, for the most part are all OIL hunts for big bulls. Guys in NM can go a lifetime and never hunt big bulls. You can have 13 elk points in Arizona and still not draw an archery tag. You can have 13 in Colorado and still not draw an archery tag and they have more elk than Utah and Arizona combined. Nevada you can have 15 points and still not draw.

Nope. No spike killer here, dont want one and dont need one. I am smart enough to use all my options to hunt big bulls more than once. I hate to break it to you but I have more than one big bull and they came from more places than Utah. If you must ask two came from Utah.

Your way of hunting is not the only way. You want it your way and you are the minority. I am not going to sit and argue with you but every time you post your solution is more archery tags for every scenerio. It gets old.
 
KTC I don't want to argue with you either.

there has got to be somewhere in the middle where your odds go up and so do mine?

Spike hunts are not the answer! IMHO



Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
I haven't posted much for quite awhile but I need to say a few words here and don't take this the wrong way. As far as the spike hunter vs. the big bull hunter debate everyone deserves and has the same right to be on the mountain. If someone messes up your once in a lifetime then oh well that is hunting. I get tired of people talking down to others because they choose to hunt spikes or cows. I'll bet most of you started out as meat hunters. I remember 20+ years ago when I killed my 1st spike on the Fishlake, it was something I will never forget. I also put in for cow tags because in my opinion there is nothing better than elk meat. Yes, I'm a meat hunter, trophy hunter, and a guide in another state. What does that make me? As far as the rumors about certain guides blocking roads or pushing bulls out of canyons, maybe they're true maybe they're not. I have heard these rumors too. One was from a conversation with a fellow hunter on the mountain but the other was from an individual that we went to high school with. I don't know why certain people would lie about things to defame an individual, maybe it's true maybe it's jealousy. One day we will all know the truth. Maybe it was individuals that don't work for the guide anymore. Who knows. I agree with changing some dates and moving certain things out of the rut to get more through the system. You don't see alot of rifle mule deer rut hunts in this State because the deer are too vulnerable. So it would stand to reason that elk would be vulnerable too. One thing is certain though, unless trophy hunters, meat hunters, guides, archery hunters, rifle hunters, muzzleload hunters, spear hunters, etc. can come together, stop bashing each other, and agree to work together to do what's best for our wildlife, then change for the better is a long ways off. Stop looking out for yourselves and what is best for me. Let's agree to disagree and do what's best for wildlife and all hunters as a whole. The selfishness needs to stop if we have any hope to change things for the common good. Enough said.
Chance G.
 
One more thing. As far as dates for hunts and making things fair for everyone. In my opinion, there shouldn't be any hunts during the main rut just like the deer. There is no sense in taking the rifle out of the rut just to replace it with archers. Yes, it would decrease success rates but it wouldn't be enough to solve our problem of getting more people through the system. The same arguments would be taking place. Give the archers a pre rut hunt similiar to what they have now and the guns the post rut. And the spike and management gun hunts last. The result would be more tags for all weapon types and more people moving through the system. Everyone is equal and there is no whining and complaining. This is one solution but I'm sure there are others. Now I've said enough.
 
6x5 I must say you make some excellent points...and I am an archer. If you look at elk management in the western states there are two schools of thought, hunt the spikes [UT. WY. ID.]or protect the spikes [CO. MT.] IMO the end result is the same...many years of waiting to draw a good L.E. tag and general hunts geared to provide opportunity to hunt non trophy bulls.What is the difference really in a 1-1/2 year old and a 2-1/2 year old bull elk? If you have taken one of either you have taken them all. Go ahead and protest..
that just makes less competition for me and my boys. I just want to hunt elk regardless of the age or !
 
6x5, you said something that I have been thinking about as well, Take the rifle hunt out of the peak of the rut and dont put another hunt in its place, leave the archery, and muzzy hunts where they are, sounds good to me. I am thinking whats good for the elk more than whats good for the hunter, what is what we all should be doing. Let the big bulls rut in peace, that would be better for the elk, and whats better for the elk is better for the hunter.

And I dont know how many of you have ever been in the 3 corners unit but that rifle hunt is in the first week in october and the bulls are still fired up and screaming. So you will still get your rut hunt, it just wont be during the peak.

We should all be thinking whats better for the elk not whats better for me.

Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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The compromise is what Utards asked for. Non-residents gave up there points; cash up front like Arizona; You took away the units from the non-res's to hunt; Point creep up the wazooo;
So you lost all the revenue and the apps; and NOW your Bitchin cause the DWR is lookin for Cash.
Swimmin in your own doo doo. Just like Obamee.
 
6X5 you are so full of #####! Thats easy for you to say when you dont hold a le tag. When was the last time you got off your sorry ass and attended a rac where you might be able to do some good with your ideas.
 
6x5 I would not take any comments from Longshooter338 to heart he is just young and hot headed. He has never spent the night alone on the mountain with his pack in his life. I hear he fears the mountain loin will get him... LOL It sounds like longshooter338 holds a LE tag and he would like world to make it easy for him to shoot his bull and stay off the mountain. I think i have seen you at the same Rac i have seen MR B at. I'll bet Longshooter338 was a spike and cow hunter hunting LE units before he he drew the big tag!!!!!!!! Utah has how many open units to hunt Elk On 4 maybe 5 so if people are not shooting big bulls on LE units what are they doing? I know people who will go for the gold on an open unit and try for the bigger bull. But people looking for meat to feed the family i think have no problem shooting the spike and cow.I have not seen many spike or cow heads hanging on the wall! So i say good for the Trophy hunter and good for the meat hunter. I have taken 3 nice bulls, spikes and cows in my time and the meat has not tasted that different bulls little tough but great. No i have not had a LE tag but i believe that i have had as much fun hunting an open unit with my children even if we did not tag. My thoughts only!!
 
tincup,

You are wrong. Hell, I worry more about the NR than the resident, because I know how import NR staus is in other states. You need to look at the policy process and understand who does what. Resident hunters are sheep and just do as we are told, we have no input. Direct you anger at those who do policy, not the resident. I think the NR to Utah gets screwed, but there is nothing I can do about it. The DWR has a public input policy, but that is nothing more than a formality.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-18-09 AT 10:21AM (MST)[p]HEY BROKEBACK I MEAN BACKSWOOD.1st off the animals on my walls attest to my time spent afield. 2nd off i fear nothing in the woods or out for that matter. As for the cats i just give them an arrow as i did in 2004 on archery hunt "cleared by bivision " 3rd off I do have a le tag on the peaks w 30 others and no # of people will stop me from killing a monster bull.4th off if you spent any time at a rack "which is bs" you would know it's new this year on le units 5th i have killed a heack of a lott of spikes and cows on spike only units. 6th get your chit together before you get on and make an arse out of yourself!!!
 
6x5 you area a D A, there are no good reasons to move any hunts sround at all, from my point of view they are doing great as they are thats why everyone says utah has the best elk in the country. we have had more bulls over 380 killed in the last two years than the last sixty years combined so if you need somthing to ##### about get a wife. weatherbys rule
 
backwoods you better get your facts straight before you get everyone one here pissed off and unless you know longshooter338 you shouldnt be trying to stur the pot we go to the rac we spend our time doing what you other lazy a-- people wont do for the elk and deer such as water projects, fence removal, coyote control, ect. so you either need to put up or shut up before you create enemys that you dont kneed weatherbys rule
 
He can count!! Like i said young and hot headed it will get you no where. O and thanks for going to the Rac meeting and making it possible for everyone . Your the man!!! 300 you need to remember that the money that the organization you and long are involved with comes from me and many others in the area you are not funding it all, water project etc. You may put on the shirt and help in April but do not forget that we put forth a fare amount of money each year to help. If people where not willing to show in April and other times during the year, to buy or donate you would not have the chance to be the supper hero and help spend make decisions on where that money is best needed. It is great that you folks have the time to go to the many of meetings to help. Some of us can only spend or donate money etc. to help where we feel it will help.So if going and standing up for what you want is too much stop!!! Lots of people disagree with the way things are.If our money is not a help then maybe we should get a job like yours so we can spend time time at the meetings and not our money??
 
the meetings are open to the public and your welcome to atend but you could also take part in the projects and go to the racs and be involved with the youth hunts and still go to work just like all of us and still get out and do our pre season scouting and have the oppertunity to kill a good animal or you could just sit on the computer and complain about somthing that is totally out of your hands and hope it gets you somewhere but i guess thats up to you!!! weatherbys rule
 
Look john. Its not about the money. Be honest when was your last rac meeting.Have you even been to one ? Ok so you contribute to sfw with your money i've been on board sinse day one i dont make any money decisions thats taken care of by sfw board.If you want to make a differance then make the sacrifice like the rest of us and go to a rac get involved.This post was caused by the racs inability to listen to the sportsmen or the division if we had more people there to say hell no we wouldnt be having this conversation.As for my great job you speak of i havent had one for about 10 months and i still spend my time and money!
 
Hey i agree that the more people that stand behind each other, the better we hope the end result is. but it will not always end up in ours, yours or their favor every time. So to set back and ##### about the result that is already happened does nothing maybe going forward IF enough people want things to change then you will get the result you want! If enough people Stand or do not stand your way you will lose again. So instead if complaining about things remember that other people are going to have as much fun hunting for their meat ( Spike or Cow)as you on your LE hunt!!! I would bet that during your waiting period you will end up on one of these units hunting spike or cow! I bet that Rick ends up on the same unit as you this year with spike or cow tag and he will have a great time and good for him!!I understand that this is the first year the spike hunt has been in a LE unit. And that suck for Guys like you with the tag, Lots more people moving the herds etc. As far as the Rac meetings who said that i never attend????? I may not set next to you or MR Adams, and the rest of the gang. You folks are not the only ones in the room. Projects over the years i have help with.... more projects for the benefit of our wildlife than i would bet you have done up to this day. Not saying you do not. But maybe before you and your friend run your mouth about me setting back on my but you should know who your confronting!!! I do go to Rac meetings when i get the chance and i am not a dedicated hunter! O and day one was not SFW it was Dixie wild life and you were not on that bored from day one!!!!!!!!
 
Good one REDDOG. There is a difference between going and having to go.

If you guys think attending a RAC will change anything, and your voices and concerns heard, you are nuts.
 
reddog not all of us that go to the rac are dedicated hunters and yes it does matter if we voice our opinions why do you think we lost the five day deer cause there wernt enough people there to support it. weatherbys rule
 
JOHN .Yeah most of us are probably dedicated hunters . As for me i attended a heack of a lot more racks than required and acording to the division i accumulated 96 hrs for my three year program remember only 24 are required. As for my old man i dont care where he decides to hunt or any other spike hunters i just think its a mistake to hunt le units for spikes period regardless of me having a le peaks tag this year. Remember my hunt is in sept spikes are in oct.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-19-09 AT 11:06AM (MST)[p]KTC AND REDDOG. It does matter fyi when the division was going to try and get rid of statewide archery 300 bowmen showed up from every club in the state and they were heard and kept it .Yea the rac is an absolute joke and every one on it should be thrown out on their arses but its all we got. So should we all stay home and hope someone goes on our behaf And gets our point across.
 
I don't care if there were 50,000 people at the rack meetings, it would not have changed the 5 day hunt. The RAC meetings are a formality to appease us. The wildlife board gets what they want no matter the publics input. This has been shown to be true time and time again.

P.S. Weatherby's suck and Kody's a girl.(just kidding Kody)
 
Hey deadibob. excelent point about the rac by the way. When are we going to kill some dogs up in your neck of the woods. Have you got any slugs for my 50 bmg yet.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-19-09 AT 12:12PM (MST)[p]Did you get a 50? I have thousands of slugs. What do you want, tracers, incendiaries, incendiary tracers or tungsten core armor piercing? I went out monday for doggies? I want to start going out about 3 times a week to wrap up some footage so let me know. I've got my ffl now so I will open in fillmore as soon as I get my alarm installed. P.S. I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone (that means Norm).
 
good to hear that you are opening your store how are the books doing for ya and by the way "weatherbys rule" so dont be a hater
 
I don't hate weatherby's, I'm just messing with you. The books are doing well considering how many stores are going bankrupt. I tried to stop by Sneekee in Cedar City yesterday and they were closed up, phone is disconnected. Did they close up or what, anybody know?
 
right WW, that how it works, roll up n shootem out the window.i will cash out next year, and i dont think KTC gives a damn what happens to the elk heard, i wont either after next year, but we know how it was, and never will be again.

ignorant puke
 
WHERE IS Pro???

WHERE IS wiley???

YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT I THINK & I AIN'T CHANGING!!!

CHIME wiley,CHIME!!!

SOMTIMES TO GET IN ON A PISSCUTTER IT TAKES SOME STEALTH!!!
I THANK MY FRIEND Feleno FOR THE STEALTH CAMO!!!

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REMEMBER!!!

THERE'S ONLY ONE bobcat!!!
 
WTF???

'Best behavior from here on out'

THAT AIN'T YOU???

WAS THAT YOU ON POST # 66???

I NEVER SEEN IT???

HOW BAD DID YOU TRASH ME WHEN I WASN'T LOOKING wiley???

SOMTIMES TO GET IN ON A PISSCUTTER IT TAKES SOME STEALTH!!!
I THANK MY FRIEND Feleno FOR THE STEALTH CAMO!!!

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REMEMBER!!!

THERE'S ONLY ONE bobcat!!!
 
YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT KINDA SSHIT WHEN I'M OUT OF TOWN & NOT LOOKIN wiley!!!

YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THAT!!!

SO ARE YOU GOING PISSCUTTIN IN AN LE UNIT THIS YEAR???

IF YOU DO,WE'D SURE APPRECIATE A PICTURE WITH YOUR TROPHY!!!



SOMTIMES TO GET IN ON A PISSCUTTER IT TAKES SOME STEALTH!!!
I THANK MY FRIEND Feleno FOR THE STEALTH CAMO!!!

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REMEMBER!!!

THERE'S ONLY ONE bobcat!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-20-09 AT 06:09PM (MST)[p] Brotha I think I'll load the boy up and head to Wyo for some speedgoat action at that time of year. I've also got a invite to head to Montana for some dinky dog deer shooting on a
ranch that just allows bowhunters.

I'll chase elk this year but it probably won't be till I can get to them in my spot on the extended.

Should be a pretty good cluster this year!!

As far as glory pics... You know that ain't my thing.
 
Slammy, I guess my question is why fix something that isn't broken by allowing the spike hunts and lowering the age classification? I have heard it from the fish and game first hand that they say not everyone wants to get a huge bull...I can't speak for others, but you said it best...who wants to wait 20 years for a chance at a 5 point. We all know it comes down to money, but the big bulls Utah has produced are a great marketing tool for out of state hunters, which utah should make more money on...also raffle a few more all state tags to the rich people...that will bring a lot more money in that selling the regular draw tags...that way the rich hunter can provide the money they want, and still have a draw for us poor boys!
 

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