STOP! CO Units 54,55,551 from becoming Limited ELK!

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There is a vast amount of special interest groups wanting to turn units 54,55,551 into limited elk draw units starting in the 2010 season. They are saying the elk population is too high and needs to be controlled to keep elk from getting on to private land and destroying cattle lands. I don't have a problem with private owners wanting to take care of their lands for their business use but I think they have ulterior motives. I think now you end up with unit that gets hyped up because it's limited draw. Colorado already has its share of limited draw units. For instance if you hunt area 54 all along Blue Mesa Reservoir all the area to the south of Blue Mesa and highway 50 is units 66, 67 and these are draws unit already. They are very big units.

I remember as a kid being able to go to 54 in the morning and if the hunting was slow we'd go to one of these units (66 or 67) to finish the day. Not anymore that changed somewhere in the mid 90's to a draw unit. So we stuck to 54 and 55 to be in the Gunnison area. My dad has been hunting here since I was a child or around 30 years. He retired 5 years ago and bought a small run down cabin 2 years ago, it's just 8-10 miles from Red Creek (unit54) to make sure his children and grandchildren could have a place here to enjoy and hunt the only elk hunting area I've ever known long after he was gone. I've been hunting here since I was 5-6 years old. I've seen my grandfather, father, and brothers and sister all take elk in this area. We all took our first elk here at the age of 14 or so once we were legal to hunt and it's just sad that more young adults and children won't get that experience unless they start applying for points at a young age and then they may only get to hunt what I consider the most beautiful area in Colorado once in a lifetime. It's pretty hard to share and pass along the joy and happiness that my dad shared with me when you have to wait 5 to 15 years like you have to in other draw units in the state.

My honest thoughts are that these ranchers and other special interest groups involved are out to make that so important dollar. I guess when we are all struggling to get along financially in these tough economic times these ranchers and special interest groups? way of getting by is to buy elk vouchers from the Colorado Division of Wildlife at face value and then they can resell them to top buyers anywhere from $1000 a tag upwards of $10,000. I'm a hard worker and have a great paying job but don't see myself being a person that can afford a $1000 elk tag and I don't know many who hunted the area that could afford it either. I also wonder how local business owners in the Gunnison area can afford to let the amount of elk tags in the area drop by 25 to 50 percent. I think there are plenty of hunters that spend money in the Gunnison, and Crested Butte areas from mid August to late October and I can only imagine if the flood of hunters that come to the area are cut by 25 to 50 percent.

I'm really upset over this and if you are a hunter that has passed through the area and have hunted the area we need to stop this. Please take the time to write or email the Wildlife Commission in Colorado. Only the voice of the public can stop this from happening to these units. All the Wildlife Commission information is below. The area is District 2 and the wildlife commissioner in that area is Mark Smith his email is below also.

Thanks,

Wildlife commission email: [email protected].

Mark Smith District 2 Commissioner: [email protected]
 
I'm in favor of creating more limited entry units. Although 54 wasn't one of the units that I suggested when I wrote the comissioners about it.

Bean
 
I support more LE units in Colorado as well.
According to the statistics for 2008, neither 66 or 67 required any points for a resident to draw a bull license for any season, it appears that 1 point would gaurantee a resident a bull license in units 66 or 67. Yes a few of the LE units are once in a lifetime, but a whole bunch are not. I do understand the concerns though.
 
I think more limited entry units is ok also. So long as they don't get carried away and try to turn the entire state into a once in a lifetime limited entry unit like Utah has done.
 
I wrote them and expressed my thoughts about it. 54, 55, and 551 are just way too many limited entry units in that area. No need for it other than lining someone elses pocketbook heavily.
 
I'm confused. If the thought is that the population is too high, why would they make it limited entry? I guess my assumption is a LE unit would have a reduced number of tags thus keeping the population as it is now.

Am I misunderstanding something here?

Raghorn Hunting Services
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Raghorn, the concept is, in part, that lower hunter pressure leads to higher success rates.
 
Im with your way of thinking Raghorn, and I also think more LE units is a good thing, not a bad thing. Like someone else mentioned, you can hunt a unit like 67 right now with no points, so you most likely still hunt it every year. I would imagine the same would apply north of Gunnison as well.
 
I am for more limited entry units. I would rather have a tag less times but a better quality animal to hunt 100% of the time.
 
They would manage populations by issuing more cow tags. Many of these cow tags could be late season issued for use after the 4th rifle season is closed so as not to impact the rifle hunts as much.
 
Sooner or later most units will be draw. As the amount of hunters increases and the amount of habitat decreases with developement the olny way to manage the herds is to have limited tags. Right now the DOW relies on surveys to tell them how many hunters hunted a certain unit and how many took animals. But they don't really know many hunters that buy a state wide tag hunt each unit. Seems like some areas get hammered and some areas don't.
JC
Colorado Hunting Consultants LLC
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I think the whole state should go to a draw. Every unit and all weapons.

The DOW can still allow more opportunity in some units and restrict tags in others. In some units tags could still be drawn as a second choice and some would still go under prescribed. Only down side for hunters would be convenience and possibly (in some units) a loss of opportunity (might not be able to get your tag every year as second choice).

If a hunter could apply and be guaranteed a tag for a certain unit using the second choice option, how does that differ from an OTC tag? Just go draw and get it over with.
 
Go to all limited units in Colo for elk just like deer. Prior to muledeer winterkill a couple years ago Colo was re-writing the B&C record books for deer. Colo took a great leap in the right direction once it started limiting all deer units. The CDOW was able to manage each unit and the different herds rather than having unlimited tags with little to no control managing herd numbers, buck:doe ratios.....and the big one....hunter numbers!

Anyone that complains that they won't be able to draw an elk tag if all units are limited is a crock! There are leftover deer tags all over Colo each year even w/all limited units. Having all limited elk units actually distributes more applicants over more units which ultimately makes it easier to draw tags in just about all but the toughest draw units!

It certainly would be a relief not having so much elk hunting pressure! Guess where the elk end up with unlimited tags....mostly on private land! Obviously with unlimited elk hunters in the field from the early Aug archery season through the late rifle hunts the elk know right where they need to go to be safe. Obviously the CDOW isn't going to reach elk herd management goals if the elk aren't where the majority of elk can be hunted...on private vs public land!
 
Lets get "jims" on the Commission!

Too bad folks with your way of thinking dont make it on to the Commission. I just dont see the DOW giving up the money they suck from all the Nonresidents!
 
I know as a NR in 66 to archery hunt it takes a minimum of 3pp and my wife did not get drawn w/ 3pp this year but did draw a archery deer tag with same amount of pp. So as a NR archer I can hunt the unit every 4-5 years but as a NR rifle hunter I could hunt every other year. I think muzzy is over 10pp required. I would think they would issue a few more archery tags and limit the rifle tags a little more. I am also for a spot on app to mark combo so if i don't draw 1 of the 2 deer or elk I can hold out until the following year with more pp. With my wife drawing a deer tag this year but missing on the elk I'm left looking at buying a LO tag for elk so we can knock this hunt out in one season.
 
I agree with you completely, there should be a more proportionate distribution of archery and rifle tags... but I think the line of thinking in 66, 67 (and possibly 54, 55 in the future) is that if they can limit the pressure on the elk during archery, then the hunters can whack the unpressured elk during rifle season.

Looking at the numbers, success rates for archery elk in 54 and 55 seem to only run around 10% either sex. Not that great right now for sure.
 

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