Dutton expectasions!

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muleycraz

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All dutton tag holders what are your goals and expectations for your elk hunt this year, what kind of bull are you really looking for? What would you be willing to pass up and or what are you willing to shoot opening day? Im really pumped for the hunt this year very good horn growth.
 
im going 400+ or bust. ill spend every minute on the unit looking for the big bruiser.
 
I have similar expectations, Im looking for 380 plus or bust! The coutless days and hours scouting will be the deciding factore on that caliber of bull and Im the same as you Im living on that mountain.
 
I have not been on the Dutton this year but my friend has. I think 380 is very attainable based on the past and what he has seen this year. The growth on the units I have been on seem to be ahead of last year. It should be a great year to have a tag! 380 is a heck of a bull. I hope you find one and put the smack down on him!
 
We know a few guys over around circleville area that been up there and they think some really good bulls will come off the Beaver and Dutton and Monroe.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
I hope you guys are right and last year was a fluke year. Last year a 340 bull would have been an outrageous bull on that mountain! 2 years ago 320 to 340 bulls were the norm and there were a few taken 360+. I'm not sure if more than 1 or 2 360 bulls were shot in 2009? It will be interesting to see if you guys predictions and judging skills are correct.

With that said, 2 years ago my standard was 350ish net. It would be nice if that standard will remain in the coming years as Utah continues to increase tags. My prediction is that this season is going to be a total zoo on Dutton! Every tag holder I saw last year had about 4 to 6 guys helping out and with even more tags this year I can't imagine what it will be like! Most hunters/spotters scout prior to each season and it can be a dust-fest up and down those roads! Obviously if you put in the time and miles you will up the odds of getting a 340+ bull on that and any other Utah unit!
 
Ya im going down 10 days before the hunt starts and I have 9 spotters on horse lol
 
I went 7 days prior to my hunt and was super glad I did! It took some time to figure things out...and find the 380 to 400 class bulls under every 3rd tree you guys mention!
 
JIMS
You shouldn't of been looking under under those 1st 2 trees everyone know they hide under the thrid tree. LMAO
I talked to one of those guys up that way and they claim some good horn growth this year I hope for everyone who got a tag it true.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
Here is a reality check for current and future Dutton elk tag holders. 168 total Dutton bull tags in 2009, 154 in 2008, 140 in 2007, and 89 in 2006. 2007 is the year when Utah started significantly increasing bull tags.

Rifle hunters have been close to 100% success during these years. There were 54 RIFLE bull tags in 2006 and 101 in 2009. That is almost double the number of rifle bull tags compared to "the good ole days." If you don't think 47 additional rifle bull tags/year is going to affect the top bulls available in a relatively open (fire burned) unit like Dutton I think you need your head examined! There definitely is plenty of nasty country for mature bulls to hide but doubling tags is definitely going to impact overall quality.

It has been pretty sad for me to see such a great unit deteriorate and I have a feeling the "whiners" that wanted so much to increase tag numbers are once again going to be "whining" about quality bulls and the overall quality experience in that and other units. It's great that guys seem to be seeing better antler growth this year but can you imagine what it would be like if there were 1/2 the tags issued...like it was prior to 2007! That place is going to be a zoo this year and I would also be a little disappointed having to share the mtn with so many yahoo scouters, spotters, and other hunters if I waited 15+ years for one of those tags! I know I am super glad I drew my tag when I did and don't have to deal with it anymore! I just feel sorry for anyone that waits so many years to draw that tag!
 
Don't expect much.

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"I needed a cheesy signature saying like everyone else"
 
I drew a Dutton tag this year and had great expectations for a once in a lifetime hunt. That was until I saw the tag numbers this year and for the last couple of years as Jims pointed out. I sent the tag back for my points. I'll take my chances on another area in years to come. I have no regrets about sending it back as I will only be hunting Utah elk once in this lifetime. So whether its next year or 10 years from now, it really doesn't matter to me...
 
ok. here's my prediction. I've killed over 13 bulls between 330 and 370. I hunt in units the size of the dutton but with around 400 hunters on the same hunt. now I get to hunt with a fourth of the hunters in an area with far superior genetics and jims is saying 330? your way off man. im positive of my skills and assure u I will be coming back with a high 380's bull or better. tag soup won't happen. hey jims. for 3500 bucks u can come to my mountain range and I will help u put a 350 bull on the ground opening morning. exactly where did everyone take their statistics classes at I wonder? please enlighten me cuz most of u guys are off ur rocker. why don't u come to a state where u have to really hunt? seriously, u guys are spoiled and have no clue what real elk hunting is like.





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stinkystomper:

Have you ever been on the Dutton? I am not sure what stats you are questioning but Utah has almost doubled the number of tags on these units since 2006. That will affect the number of big bulls. I hunted the unit last year and have spent several years scouting before I got my tag. The Dutton does have great genetics and Utah has some great rifle hunts. That being said, Utah has greatly benefited from the lower tag numbers and higher age objectives. That has changed, the age objectives are now lower and there are double the tag numbers. I can tell you that last year was a very hard year on the Dutton. Understand, I do not doubt your skills, I am just telling you what I saw and the trends on most of Utah's famous units.

Another thing is there will be considerable pressure from the archery spike hunters. Last year, on the archery hunt I saw dozens of trucks loaded with guys hunting archery deer. They were calling their heads off with a Hoochie Mama every few hundred yards. If even half of them end up with archery spike tags it WILL affect the elk. I would bet money that there will be more than twice the number of people on that unit hunting elk before the rifle season starts.

I wish you the best of luck. I am sure you will do great on your hunt and have fun. I think all of the people that are casually throwing around 380+ to 400 should have their heads examined. There are a handful of 400 class bulls in Utah but contrary to what many people think, they are NOT in every unit and not behind every third tree (before I ruffle any feathers I know the post before were joking about that). IF a person puts their scouting time in and hunts VERY HARD, I believe a 380+ bull can be had but it is not like shooting fish in a barrel. I am guessing that you are one of the people who will hunt hard and do well, but most of people on the Dutton this year would be very lucky to see a 360 class bull and extremely lucky to take a 350 class bull. JMO

I guess the best way to look at the Dutton potential is that a well known H.F. staff member, who was the biologist for that unit for many years, hunted very hard and got a 380+ bull. He knew the unit well and hunted hard. That would prove a 380+ is possible but not the norm.

On a side note, I would dare say most of the people in Utah have a pretty good clue as to what real elk hunting is all about. You should try an over the counter tag in Utah before you render a decision as to what Utah elk hunting is all about. That is a very bold or ignorant (I will let everybody else decide on that one)statement to claim people from Utah don't have an idea what real elk hunting is all about.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-12-09 AT 02:26PM (MST)[p]The saving grace for Dutton (besides the rugged nature of the mountain) is that it's surrounded by better managed units- in particular the Boulder and Beaver. No one knows when a monster bull will pull off one of these other "better" units and end up on Dutton.

It's still one of the top units in the state just not what it use to be... a great unit for a legit big bull though.

Jims numbers tell the tale-just like they do on the Wasatch. He's spent time of the unit for several years and speaks from experience. How can we expect to kill just as many big bulls on units when we've DOUBLED the number of tags in just a few short years and haven't substantially increased the populations?

As for New Mexico vs Utah-I've hunted elk in both states and on different units.

In general the Utah hunts are hunted harder by locals and nonresidents alike. One LE elk tag in Utah is going to equal several guys out looking-serious guys that aren't afraid to hike, pack big glass, and get the job done. My limited experience in New Mexico is that guys don't hunt as hard as Utah LE tag holders. It's not as hyped up and doesn't carry the pressure of a Utah tag-so most guys don't go all out.

Stinky hunts hard in New Mexico and has been rewarded with some huge bulls, while most other hunters shoot dinks or eat tag soup. I know that a lot of serious hard core guys have Dutton tags this year and it's going to get covered from one end to the other.

Pressure is more intense on most of Utah's elk hunts even if there are way fewer tags.

There is going to be plenty of company on all LE Dutton hunts this year-especially the rifle hunts.

From what I'm hearing the two units to the East and West are going to have incredible years and some of the bulls being seen now may end up on Dutton later.

Wish I had a tag, but really wish I had a Boulder tag...

Good luck! Time is getting short for all you lucky tag holders!:)
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-12-09 AT 06:17PM (MST)[p]all i know is i drew with 6 points, will have at least 10 guys on the mountain and can guaranatee a 400+ bull.
 
Mustache-
ANYONE who tells you you are going to kill a 400" bull with a "guarantee" on a public land LE unit needs to be cracked upside the head with a Louisville slugger, only a fool would say such a thing.
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Here comes the 400 talk again.
Good luck there could be a bull or two that big on that unit guess we will all know from pics. after the hunts this year.
I know if I had a tag the first 360 would take a dirt nap.
 
As mentioned above there are a number of differences between UT and NM elk. UT works off a bonus pt system and most guys have waited 6 to 15 years for a tag. When I arrived in UT I was amazed at the number of guys in each camp. I would guess on average there were 3 to 6 trucks/camp...and not everyone drives a vehicle! Normally only 1 person in the family draws the once in a lifetimish tag and family members and their friends help out. You can only imagine how many guys are driving the roads and hiking up and down the ridgelines...that don't even have a tag! With double the tags of a few years ago there is that much more pressure on the giant bulls.

As mentioned above, there will be more tag holders, family members, scouters this year but also spike hunters and deer hunters in the field. I saw a lot of deer hunters on Dutton last year....a couple screwed up stalks for elk hunters! Do you think bulls that have survived 8+ years of hunting pressure are going to lounge around with the pressure?

As mentioned above there are fewer tags in a couple of the adjacent units. If I was a smart 8+ year old bull on Dutton do you think I'd cross the road, river, or fence to get to less hunting pressure in an adjacent unit? Many of the dirt roads on Dutton had about 4 to 10" of dust powder when I arrived last year so that country was hammered..I can't imagine what it will be like this year!

As mentioned earlier I saw 3 bulls last year that were in the 360+ class. Seeing them and shooting them is another thing! With a little luck a couple of those bulls made it through last season. I wouldn't be suprised if there may be at least 3 bulls that size on that wild, rugged mtn and hopefully some of you with tags will get a glimpse of them. Obviously if you put in the time and effort you'll up your chances of at least seeing one!

Obviously hunters with 10 to 12 spotters that are on the mtn for a month prior to the season will be at an advantage...wonder who that would be????
 
The thing that makes my hunt a little different is the fact that god will be with me on this hunt. I prayed about this hunt and asked gods guidance in this hunt and have the best feeling ever. This is why I am saying something good is gonna happen. I don't know how everthing is gonna go down but I have the most peace about this area, this year, and this hunt. That's about all I can say about what I expect from this hunt.



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Stinky-
I'm sure glad you have asked for God's eyes to help out.....cuz we're going to need 'em.

He's got a hell of a lot better view of that rockpile than we do! ;-)







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With a little help from "Upstairs" and Stinky's crew I think he stands a chance at a BIG bull. Can't wait to see how it all shakes out.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-12-09 AT 08:57PM (MST)[p]SS, I know exactly what you mean! I had the same feeling on my Dutton hunt a couple seasons ago. I was kind of amazed at how I could push myself to the limit for almost 3 weeks in that country. I was a little leery crawling down into some of those hellhole areas by my lonesome and somebody upstairs was definitely watching over me! There were a few times while climbing out of the cliffs in the dark I questioned my sanity! There is nothing like hunting alone in high and wild places to give yourself a wakeup call! I hope you have the chance to sit on that hill by your lonesome and contemplate life, family, work, etc. Give it all you got and you will likely be rewarded! With a crew of guys helping out plus your great attitude you have a great chance of bringing home one of the great bulls that mtn is known for.
 
I waited a long time for this tag. I have set my goal at 350 or bigger. Opening morning if I see a legit 350 bull 15 min. into the hunt I'm shooting him. No regrets! But don't shoot a bull 350-365 opening morning on my account. Wait and go get that 380-400 thats out there. When you get back from your hike you can take a picture with me and my bull and I'll be smiling:)
 
I think a 340-360 bull is very realistic and will likely make up 60% of the bulls shot on Dutton this year, 30% will be smaller and 10% bigger. How's that for a guess.
 
>I think a 340-360 bull is
>very realistic and will likely
>make up 60% of the
>bulls shot on Dutton this
>year, 30% will be smaller
>and 10% bigger. How's that
>for a guess.

I say that is how it's been the last 5-6 years. So, I guess you're saying 2009 will be an average year on the Dutton! I can live with that. :7

PRO
 
My predictions

With 100 tags, which I'm not complaining about. 10 yrs ago when I drew my Utah LE elk tag a 370 bull was the king of most units. I still had a great hunt.

40% 320-340
30% 340-360
15% 360-380
5% 380 plus (5 out of 100 permits including all seasons)
10% will shoot bulls smaller than 320 some will not break 300.

I guess we will wait and see. Good luck to all hunters.

The management in Utah is shifting back to where it was 10 yrs ago. Still great hunts, with more tags. I really doubt utah will see the year when it will produce more than 20, 400 class bulls in a year again.
 
But I was told that there is 4 or 5 400 inch bulls there every year, and that is was almost a sure thing to get one!!!! 360 bull is far from that 400 mark.
 
>Mustache-
>ANYONE who tells you you are
>going to kill a 400"
>bull with a "guarantee" on
>a public land LE unit
>needs to be cracked upside
>the head with a Louisville
>slugger, only a fool would
>say such a thing.
>Please tell us your not being
>serious........
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LAST EDITED ON Jul-13-09 AT 12:15PM (MST)[p]>>Mustache-
>>ANYONE who tells you you are
>>going to kill a 400"
>>bull with a "guarantee" on
>>a public land LE unit
>>needs to be cracked upside
>>the head with a Louisville
>>slugger, only a fool would
>>say such a thing.
>>Please tell us your not being
>>serious........
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>>If you gonna give him crap for his guarantee, you better give your buddy crap to for his guarantee
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Oh trust me kachta, he's tired of me down playing his expectations to keep in a reality check, you can ask him that yourself.
And i will "guarantee" YOU, that he has NEVER been given a "guarantee" from me! :)


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This post was to get expectations from tag holders not the know it all guys that are jealous of not having a tag saying we are all going to kill 320s, give me a damn break!! The dutton is twice the unit the wasatch is and I know for a fact I could kill a dandy bull on the wasatch, so this talk of quality being garbage is a joke! Yes there are alot of 320 type bulls on every unit and yes there are few 380 type bulls on any given unit. Having said that the 5% of the hunters that go down weeks before, scout all summer and have a damn army with them, are going to kill dandy bulls, and Im letting you all know ahead of time i have 400 strippling freaking warriors going down with me this year!! A 380 WILL HIT THE DIRT MY FRIENDS!!!!
 
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>>>Mustache-
>>>ANYONE who tells you you are
>>>going to kill a 400"
>>>bull with a "guarantee" on
>>>a public land LE unit
>>>needs to be cracked upside
>>>the head with a Louisville
>>>slugger, only a fool would
>>>say such a thing.
>>>Please tell us your not being
>>>serious........
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>>>If you gonna give him crap for his guarantee, you better give your buddy crap to for his guarantee
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>Oh trust me kachta, he's tired
>of me down playing his
>expectations to keep in a
>reality check, you can ask
>him that yourself.
>And i will "guarantee" YOU, that
>he has NEVER been given
>a "guarantee" from me! :)
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haha i was gonnna say maybe if he was on the boulder he could say such a thing ;)

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Muleycraz and others,

I hope you have a great hunt. I have hunted and helped friends on many units. Monroe, Beaver, Boulder, San Juan, etc. All great units. At least 50% of tag holders don't know the difference between a 340 bull and 360 inch bull. They don't know a 380 class bull from a 400 class bull. Even many guides don't know that close. Just wondering whats more important to you. A 360-370 class bull and a great hunt with family or friends, or a 380 bull, putting so much pressure on yourself, that it take some of the fun out of the hunt. Lot's of more time and money put into the hunt to improve your odds of getting a bull that is 10-20 inches bigger.

Shoot a bull that you would be happy with. Have a great hunt with lots of great memories. Don't be caught up in the score so much. There are some 360-370 class bulls that I would rather have than some 380-390 bulls. Don't be discouraged or think you failed if you hunted hard and had a great hunt and ended up shooting a 360 class bull. Good luck. I maybe down around during the rifle hunt.
 
well said mulecrazy in my humble opinion the dutton is the best elk unit in the state barnone.
 
HUNTIN 100
well said my friend, My father had an archery monroe tag couple years back and we hunted our guts out and killed a 366 bull. My point there is not to brag but to just point out I spent 30 days on the unit and new where the good bulls were. I think hunters that hunt right and hard and expect nothing less than a great bull will have a really really good chance at killing one ( and have some fun along the way) But I agree im probably going to have less fun the a guy that will be happy with a 340s bull I just cant help the way i feel though. I have to kill a 380 type bull and I willing to do whatever it takes.
 
its like passing up 160 inch mule deer on general season, ya it's probably stupid but if that size of animal dont make ya happy then why shoot it.
 
One things for darn sure.....The Dutton is now the most publicized unit in the entire United States!!

Good luck to all!! ;-)










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You're crazy.

Everybody on monstermuleys knows that the Wasatch is the best unit in the state!

Pretty much the best unit in the world if you ask my cousins buddies half aunt/sister that saw a 420 bull while trolling the narrows with popgear and a worm tipped with her seceret monster cutthroat sweet banabread dougball that she buys from one of the cooks at the HUB.
 
slam,

How is that for pressure? Ha!

I am with utfireman, those 400 bulls are like jack rabbits if you have the right help!;-) Good thing slam is down there working his ass off!
 
>You're crazy.
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>Everybody on monstermuleys knows that the
>Wasatch is the best unit
>in the state!
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>Pretty much the best unit in
>the world if you ask
>my cousins buddies half aunt/sister
>that saw a 420 bull
>while trolling the narrows with
>popgear and a worm tipped
>with her seceret monster cutthroat
>sweet banabread dougball that she
>buys from one of the
>cooks at the HUB.


now thats funny.
 
KTC....... I'm being a very good boy to you. My fingers are burning holes in my keyboard right now. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Anyways, I'm going down a week before the hunt to search for old rutting grounds and certain types of tracks. I've hunted this way for many years and usually find the giants by tracking them down, even in rock piles. I am totally looking forward to the week before the hunt being all by myself like jims said. This is my little vacation and noone is invited. No offense slammy, pro, and ray but I want to spend the days alone. We can get together at night. I don't know what my bull will score but I want all tines over 20", 60 inches of mass and he has to have beautiful curling horns. I will pass 400 bulls that are ugly so I am extremely limiting my bulls. I have shot my fair share of nice to big bulls and want to leave them for people who will appreciate them when they get them. I shot a 315 7x7 3 years ago and hated him and hated myself even more for being disrespectful of taking his life. This is the reason my bull must be everything I have pictured in my mind. I don't care about beam length or width. All I want is tines, mass, and beautiful symmetry. 380 with 40 inch beams or 390 with 50 inch beams or 420+ if he has 60 inch beams. This is my expectation.



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Ya that's right, prism is dead nutz on.....everyone run to the Wasatch and stay in the narrows, there's a hawg in there!
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dude the trolling the narrows with pop gear post was the best post I have seen in forever lolool very very funny bro,
Stinky-you described the bull that I have tied to a tree down there right now, for the right price i will release his ace!
 
Drew a LE Beaver bow tag last year; 365". By great circumstances which could only be due to help from above (again), I have in my hot little hands a Dutton bow tag for this year. Certain circumstances which relate to this tag and particular unit/hunt give me the gut feeling that I am going to have an amazingly great and successful hunt; it went down in a similar way last year too. Expectation: significantly better than last year (and let me tell you, my bull IS HUGE up there on the wall; really not all that many true 365+ bulls hit the dirt no matter how often you hear guys throw that and bigger numbers out). Shooting for the magic number + on a classic 6x6 frame or a bull that's real close that has special attributes (mass is king in my book, followed by awesome front ends)...or else I'll go home a happy camper with just dirt on my hands. I have allocated plenty of time, will have a couple of killer friends and a brother to search and hunt with and I guarantee you we will have enough fun doing this for this whole forum. Too good of an opportunity to do it any other way and nothing wrong with sharing in my good fortune with people I like being in the woods with.
I'll let you know how we do once its over. Oh, and I expect to make $40 in the process to boot......$20 from a real bad smelling feller lots of you love to hate and $20 from another pizza guy here everyone loves to like. ROFL!!! Godspeed everyone and lets have a great hunting fall!!
 
Popgear...I really meant to say poopgear. Takes a really big fish to put up a fight when it has 4 feet of metal dangling infront of its face-especially if it's one of those worthless bearlake cutts the DWR thinks is so great-hahaha

Saw some Wasatch monster bucks while coming out of the west fork tonight. Boy is the antler growth good this year-monsters by anyones standards.

My arm is tired from all of them 20" west fork cutts, bout wore out my 9wt salmon rod. I think I could of caught a few bigger if I could of used the doughbait-dang artificial flies and lure regs anyways. Luckily I've got this guy that ties flies and lives in his parents basement in Walsburg. He runs trail cameras for a living-works undercover for some big outfitter or something. The fly tying is a part time gig that he says "supports his habit." Not sure what he means by that.

Anyways, he's got pics of the "Main Canyon Monster." Rumor is that it ruts in Cylde Creek, but I heard someone saw it swimming in the res last year on its way to the island.

So, what I'm trying to say is that I think the 420 bull is legit. Seriously!
 
Prism, your talking in tongue man. I can't follow what your are trying to convey.I think you said the lock nes monster is real and lives in Utah? I think I have an elk tag, not an endangered salt lake monster tag. LOL



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All of you Dutton Naysayers are cracking me up!
320-340 being the average bull, now that is funny.

What Pro has been preaching for years is true! It does not take much to harvest a BIG bull on our LE units, particularly the Dutton.

If a guy can hunt at all, then a 360 Bull with a Bow is a walk in the park.

If a guy can look through a scope, and has the ability to walk a mile, then a 380 bull is EASY!, and I mean REAL EASY!

All you Dutton hunters, good luck! I am sure you will find what I am saying is spot on. Don't let anyone tell you anything different. The Dutton is LOADED with big bulls.
 
No more talk about crazy scores - we just want pictures and only pictures of dead Dutton bulls in September. Anyone running their mouth on this thread must post pictures, either the bull you shot or the tag you didn't punch :)
 
bowhunt,

I am patiently waiting for pro to prove me inadequate. I had to scout my ass off to get and help get 3 bulls between 360 and 375. He has preached rifle hunting on Dutton will produce a 400 bull to even a blind man.

I really hope stinky does well. My honest gut feeling is, based on following Utah elk hunts for years, when a unit has a bad year it rebounds the following year. I expect we will see several bulls from Dutton that exceed 350 with a few real bruisers.
 
KTC,
Come on, we all know how your hunts went...pull up to the parking lot, unload the ponies, ride 5 minutes, blow the bugle....and START SHOOTING. ;)

I think Pro is spot on! The tag holders this year have a cake walk.
 
kTYc I think I deserve at least the new state record wouldn't you say??? ROFL!




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Man, I could smell the faint smell of pot before I even opened this thread!!!! Now that I'm in here I can see that you're all high!!!!!! You're absolutely crazy if you think the Dutton doesn't hold the next world record. There are 380+ bulls around every corner down there. The Wasatch stinks. Stay the hell out. GO SOUTH for hell sakes and leave those 300" bulls alone!:D


It's always an adventure!!!
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I guess I'll say this much... shoot whatever makes you happy! I have no problem with someone going into a hunt with a goal, even a likely unattainable goal of a 400" bull... Though, I've never seen such a piss poor excuse for a group of people that justify themselves as hunters by how big of an animal they shoot. The fact of throwing out guarantees of a 380" or a 400" bull hitting the dirt is complete bullshit in my opinion. It goes to show that its ALL about the size of the antlers and not about the hunt, respect for the animal, or famed time with family/friends, or chalking up a few points for mother nature for getting outsmarted by a big ole bull... Its about out competing eachother with whoever shoots the biggest bulls, justifying themselves to the masses of MM.com with their holiness of hunting skills, and securing the bragging rights of keyboard kingchit...

A sincere goodluck on your hunts! But calling the shots like this is an absolute joke... If you think you're impressing anybody with guaranteeing a 380"/400" bull than go right ahead... No respect is coming your way from this corner.

Michael
"What I could do, I was doing, and that was simply putting my butt on the line for my country, the country that I loved, so that all the protestors and the academics and the liberal intelligentsia back home could enjoy the right to protest against people like me, the hated middleclass." --Gary R. Smith, US Special Forces
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-16-09 AT 08:59AM (MST)[p]Ah shoot! MichaelJ just ruined my entire year. I was so desperately seeking your approval. Whatever will I do. Now all is lost since you sincerely hate me. Oh wait, someone made a post without reading everything thats been getting posted. Imagine that, someone on mm that has no clue what they are talking about......AGAIN! I guess I will just have to settle now for being a score greedy, animal hating, slob hunter. Hey slammy, I don't feel like walking either. I want at least a 420 bull and I want him from the road. In addition I want an immediate plane ride off that sorry rock pile once that stupid elk hits the ground. Further more, I refuse to touch that smelly thing, that would be too disgusting. And on a final note, I want a bed made in the back of someones truck. Don't wake me up till my bull is spotted or someones gonna have heck to pay. And michaelJ thinks were unprofessional. The Nerve! ROFDL!



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Now wait a minute here sir stinky.....i clearly recall your post a few days ago that told us all to spread out over the mountain, you were doing a DIY and wanted to be alone.....now you want to be pampered??

Your clrearly bi-polar!!
ROFL!!











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Boy Stinky, you sure do rub alot of people the wrong way. I enjoy your attitude. Give em he!! buddy. I hope you get a giant.
 
I am looking at having a great experience! Last time I had a limited entry elk tag, I was 14 and it was on the BookCliffs. That was 20 years ago! Had a great 6 point spotted the night before and returned first thing in the morning. Waited for it to get light and a truck pulled up behind us, got out and started running down the trail toward the elk...which we could see. Anyway they got him...I ended up getting a 5 point...good I guess for a 14 year old, but this year on the Dutton, I just want to get away from the city, see a lot of nice bulls, not many people and have fun! And a 370+ bull would be nice too!
 
I did read the whole thread, wasn't impressed... I have no clue about the Dutton unit, no clue about how hard you hunt, what your hunting history is... I just don't care a damn bit for the "I guarantee you I will knock down a 400" bull" attitude... I remember when I had my first beer too... Now go have another and sit in the corner until you realize you've done wrong! lol (I sure hope you realize the sarcasm in my post!)

Michael
"What I could do, I was doing, and that was simply putting my butt on the line for my country, the country that I loved, so that all the protestors and the academics and the liberal intelligentsia back home could enjoy the right to protest against people like me, the hated middleclass." --Gary R. Smith, US Special Forces
 
Ok, I gotta be honest with you guys. I'm looking for a bull with at least 60 inch beams, tines all at or over 22 inches, 65+ inches of mass and at least a 40 inch spread. However, if the horns aren't curvy enough and are "UGLY" looking I will not shoot. I'm actually going for 445" or bust. I'm sure we can find a 470 bull on the dutton and I will settle for nothing less than the best. Heck this hunt is all about the al mighty dollar and the measuring tape. I told my family to stay home cuz this aint about family it about stinky's "ME" time! I'm gonna go up on that mountain with my aerogant attitude, and jack slap anyone who looks at me the wrong way. I'm also gonna buy a big friggin air horn to mount on my chevy that way everyone can hear me tooting my own horn every frikin day on that god forsaken rock pile! Are you guys gonna be pissed if I ground check my bulls as a kill them and tag the biggest one???? Anyone got some night vision optics for me? that would help, but if not I got a 10 million candle power spot light. PM if you have access to a helicopter.





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You should have booked with Mossback! Big chevys, airhorns,Helicopters,spotlights, night vision, jack slapers, measuring tapes, road blocks and 445 bulls are all inclusive with the package!


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"I needed a cheesy signature saying like everyone else"
 
Hey NUNYA, i went to ACE Rents and got all that stuff, we're good buddy!
I can't beleive i'm actually going to lower my standards to drive that Chevy for a week!!
LMAO!!

Topform-
Welcome to MM, pull them hipwaders up tight for this site, it gets pretty deep!!
(Topform is my personal trainer....he's a great guy!)
Speaking of that, why aren't you getting me in shape for this hunt, you trying to make me fail, wtf?? lol ;-)









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LAST EDITED ON Jul-17-09 AT 09:22AM (MST)[p]NUNYA,

You forgot bolt cutters and the new 2009 Mullet Manual? How about the MossBack vehicle wraps? Are they still free of charge?;-)

Now go find a goat!:)
 
Expectations should be:
Dusty roads, sore legs and back, lots of people, a huge mountain to cover, Elk will not be where you scout them, Bulls wont be bugling like you think they should,,,, But most of all, expect to have FUN!
Dont get to greedy. I passed up lots of bulls for 7 days waiting for the "400".
good luck!
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Mullet manual. Check!
Ahh you guys can have that Mountain and your stinkin elk! I've already looked at more elk this year than I care for! I'm headin to the Henrys for a week to look at gods second best creature....Mule deer. Then for some Big horn sheep scouting,Mine and Gods favorite! And since I have a tag I better go look around!
Sorry Ty, your goats are going to have to take a back seat for a couple weeks. Oh, I know this really great outfitter that would love you to be his first goat client. And I think the Beaver Mt. is in his Pattie melt/coconut cream pie region.






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"I needed a cheesy signature saying like everyone else"
 
nice bull alchoholic! I'm guessing wasatch? lol. j/k

Topform is slammy's trainer? is that steve? The guy who adjusts and hairsprays your bannana hammock? That's why I can't get ripped. I'm talking to the ignorant. Slam, please fire yourself for me and give my number to topform.

As for this hunt..... Why oh why didn't I book with mossback and get that helicopter hunt? I've been had!


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You need to be losing some of that aesthetic muscle and just keep your functional muscle so that you can carry out your big elk! By the way have you visited Carls Jr. Lately?
 
For an extra $50/day, you get the stealth fighter with .50's on both wings. You really did screw up bro....but at least your attitude is right on.....no grins, smiles or fun, "ME" time only and strictly the biggest number possible. :)
 
steve, I believe the stealths do not have 50's on both wings, least they didn't when I was helpin put those things together. What's nunyas problem. I think his day job is starting to kill his hobbie. That's why I don't combine work with play. I don't know what I'd do if the sight of elk fur didn't give me a stiffy. As for deer being above elk? you been spendin to much time in those marajuana fields on the mountain for far to long. elks are way cooler than deer and bighorns combined. Come to the dutton this fall and me and slammy will take turns beeotch slapping you till you like elk again. lol

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For hell sakes stinky....would you leave the Wasatch out of it already? There are no bulls even close to that size on the Wasatch so I don't know what pipe you have been smokin but you better start using a filter!;-)

It's always an adventure!!!
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Hey Guys:
AWLB is right theres hardly any elk at all left on the Wasatch.

The bulls that are left are just raghorns !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good Luck everyone.


Bull
 
Hey muleycraz, we can't let this sucker die off, our hunt is coming up pretty close. So what r u guys seeing down there?



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LAST EDITED ON Jul-26-09 AT 05:52PM (MST)[p]Dutton Expectasions? WTF is that? Oh, now I remember, a Motown group from the sixties. Four black guys in matching lime green jump suits. The Expectasions a few great hits. Who doesn't remember:

I'll Be There (on the Dutton along with everyone else)
QTPie Hunnybunch
Talkin' 'bout my girl
Stinky was a Rollin' Stone
Midnight Train to St George
Stand Downwind from Me
Ain't No Mountain High Enough (to get away from all the guides)
Ain't too Proud to Beg (for Attention)
Beauty is Only Skin Deep (but those implants are under the adipose layer)
Best Thing That Ever Happened to MM
Just Stinky's Imagination (running away from him)
Everyone of Us (Wants To Be the First To Say Goodby)
Can I Get a Witness (that my bull is wild)


You can own the full two record set simply by sending $29.95 (plus S&H) to the "Stinky's Bull Hunting Fund". But wait, if you order now...
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-27-09 AT 03:04PM (MST)[p]Well said Stinky.

I would like to thank our resident music expert, manny, for pointing out to me that I was in error when i said the Dutton Expectasions were a four member black musical group. I should have known better but was a bit confused due to the minor mispelling of their group name. Here, in fact, are the real Dutton Expectasians:

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I grew up hunting archery deer on the Dutton, Panguitch Lake and Zion Units. What I have seen is that there are a lot more elk on the Dutton. However, due to the spike hunters and doubling the available permits issued yearly I don't doubt for a second that the unit is harder now than before 2007. But it is still rough and if a guy really wears out some good boots in the pre-season and another pair during the hunt some good can really come from this unit. The best way to hunt the Dutton is put in a lot of time and do your best to get where no other hunter is whiling to venture. If you get one way back in the middle of nowhere you need a whole bunch of buddies to help you get him out.

I put in for a rifle tag with 7 points on there and came out $10 poorer than I was in February. I am now going to try for archery on the Pavhant.

I suspect that a few guys will get the 370-400+ bulls...I'm saying 10% of hunters. Then about 40% will get the 340-370 bulls. Leaving fifty percent of hunters. Those guys are going to get baby bulls or come home empty.

The whole difference is how long you scout and hunt. A good hunter should put his bull of a life time to bed the night before the hunt opens.

So anyone who has this tag should have a great hunt, but don't all of you expect to come home with these 380 bulls without any work.

HIKE HARD< stalk quickly > SLAY THE BEAST
 

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