Dutton!!!!

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why is every other topic on the elk either wasatch or even worse the dutton? and such high expectations on both? yes they have produced awesome bulls but geez enough about them! unless ya need help. how about hearing about other great units like beaver panguitch lake and sw desert. all produce 400+ bulls consistently. especial sw and beaver. and have consistentyl prduced them for a long time not just fluke units like the dutton. lol i know thats gonna raise hel! but geez the dutton is way overrated! dont get me wrong its a great unit but its not some overly special one! its no better than most of the other le units. and the dutton is only good if your willing to hike the steep dirty canyons like only a fractio of tag holders prob do. the realization is there are alot of big bulls in utah and some units are better than others on certain years. ie monroe! spidy, when was the last over 400 taken on that unit if ever? anyway good luck with yours tags and dont get your expectations to high you may end up dissapointed.and im not jealous i do hae a pang lake archery tag and i have good expectations but not ridiculous ones its nice to dream about monsters tho but if ya wanna tag a good bull be realistic. spend time scouting, and you will get ideas as to what bulls are shooters that particular year. ok sorry had to vent a little just sick of all the dutton hype!
 
It just keeps giving and giving...

This is getting almost as good as turtle hunts and hot boxing in the garage.

All we need is Bowhuntswitharifle to chime in with a saddle story.

OX I think you've got one of the most underated hunts in the state. Good luck!
 
Geeez, let's just start ANOTHER Dutton thread, it's like adding another fresh log to the fire!
LMAO!!








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well i didnt think one more dutton post would hurt! or even get noticed lol. i just needed a venting. pang lake is underrated. but thats ok it keeps out all the people that put in for the units that are all hype
 
From all of the scouting reports I'm wondering if we'll have to see if the infamous "Backdoor" serves crow. :)
 
>From all of the scouting reports
>I'm wondering if we'll have
>to see if the infamous
>"Backdoor" serves crow. :)

Don't know if the Backdoor serves crow, but I know it does serve PRO. :D

PRO
 
CNN AND ESPN will be there with you guys SLAM, PRO , and of course the STINKY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are going to be quite as a mouse on the Beaver til we find what we are looking for and then we will just HOLLER at you guys.



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Theox... I live in S. Utah and was up scouting deer and ran into a pretty good elk on panguitch... I would be happy to help you out a little. PM if interested... He was like 350+ already.
 
Maybe if you spent as much time huntin as you did suckin down patty melts you would kill sumthin PRO!
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PRISM.....
How many guys that you know ate TAG SOUP on the Dutton in the last 3 years???
I know 5 from last year. 1 was a former guide for mossback from gunnison that had the archery tag and chased a good one around for 20 days and never conected. 1 other archery guy from Lehi and 2 muzzy guys from california!!!! 1 guy from the basin that drew the expo tag (rifle). This was all 2008. Everybody saw elk. Just wanted to move this discussion in the direction of how many of the 100+ tags didn't get filled. Did somebody get a number from the DWR at all?
Thanks!!!
 
petedawg has brought up a valid point; the number of tags issued is not what matters. What matters is the number of big bulls killed, and the number of big bulls that survived and are as big/bigger this year. I would gladly take a tag on this unit this year during any of the available seasons. I've seen better bulls this year than last, and I saw GREAT bulls last year.

PRO
 
You can bull sh!t the tourists PRO but some of us know what you saw last year and every other year you have been on the Dutton.
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So just how big are these bulls pro? Everyone I know, and the bulls I have seen, are not fully developed yet. That is pretty impressive you have seen undeveloped bulls this year better than last year. It is so hard to judge any bull on the hoof. You need German glass and lots of knowledge and time to study. I can only assume you have the best glass on the market and have scouted a solid handful of times.

I have 2 friends who are scouting at least once every two weeks. They are pounding that unit and learning it top to bottom. Both of them have 3-4 contacts who have hunted Dutton several times and are assisting with previous experience. They are struggling to turn up anything worth getting excited over. Where are all these monster bulls? Hopefully your paying clients are getting stills or videos of these bulls so they can get excited and have a good hunt. My contacts sure are not finding anything yet. They will, but it may be another 6 weeks.
 
the merc still has the best double bacon with cheese in the world I love that place come November
 
The merc runs hunters outa town????? Slammy, I think we need a burger come september lol. Oh wait, your a big teddy bear. When that rag head ran us out of our motel in colorado for being hunters and eating animals you just dropped your head and packed your bags and said ok! That dude revalidated our keycards and gave us a free nights stay after I talked to him when you told me we got tossed. Now if I can just get you buy my side and show you how to use your balls every now and then we'll be fine. lol. I'm just throwin you crap slammy. Its sad to see a guy the likes of you be such a softie. Its down right hilarious actually.


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Okay here is my thoughts on this post, A.. this guy thinks pang. lake is better because he has a bow tag for that unit lololol and B.. your expectations are not as high because you have a damn bow tag bud!! I would rather have a dutton rifle tag 10 to 1 a pang. bow tag. What are your bow expectations for pang. lake?? Im willing to bet your wanting a 340 plus correct? So rifle hunters that are willing to hunt and scout there nuts off for a bull 370 plus are realistic with a rifle in hand bud sorry to bust your bubble and I beleive that is the case for several elk units in the state not just the DUTTON.
 
I just think it's funny that a 370 bull is an unrealistic goal for my once in a lifetime elk hunt that I have an entire month off to dedicate in finding my 370 plus class bull. I agree that for someone to just walk on the mountain without previuous scouting and kill a 380 is no way going to happen!
 
Stinky-
I'm not sure we got invited back to his motel this fall after you caped your deer heads in the bathtub.
I'm thinking we better move down the road to the next available one we can get.

There's only six motels in Cortez, so you have five more hunts left and we're going to have to move north.

ROFL!! ;-)








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370 is not unrealistic at all. The bulls look good that I have been watching on another unit. Scout hard and hunt harder! If the bull steps out and makes you gasp out loud, drop the hammer and don't worry about what a score sheet tells ya! Good luck to all of you with tags!

Chad
 
>I just think it's funny that
>a 370 bull is an
>unrealistic goal for my once
>in a lifetime elk hunt
>that I have an entire
>month off to dedicate in
>finding my 370 plus class
>bull. I agree that for
>someone to just walk on
>the mountain without previuous scouting
>and kill a 380 is
>no way going to happen!
>


Sad thing is, is that it happens all the time,
some people are just plain lucky.

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>Okay here is my thoughts on
>this post, A.. this guy
>thinks pang. lake is better
>because he has a bow
>tag for that unit lololol
>and B.. your expectations are
>not as high because you
>have a damn bow tag
>bud!! I would rather have
>a dutton rifle tag 10
>to 1 a pang. bow
>tag. What are your bow
>expectations for pang. lake?? Im
>willing to bet your wanting
>a 340 plus correct? So
>rifle hunters that are willing
>to hunt and scout there
>nuts off for a bull
>370 plus are realistic with
>a rifle in hand bud
>sorry to bust your bubble
>and I beleive that is
>the case for several elk
>units in the state not
>just the DUTTON.

Maybe he is trying to say that Dutton is overrated a little? And panguitch is a good tag... I think it is, and i bet he didn't have to wait 14 years to get a dutton tag either...


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Well one thing is for sure If anyone has a pang. Lake tag and wants to talk it up above other units do what this guy did and post your topic as DUTTON!! lololol seeing how it's the best unit in the state your post is bound to get action!
 
I think I read in a magazine a few years ago that a guy was getting some help from others, and after a rain storm he decided to go on a little walk by himself and he ended up shooting a 400 bull on the dutton. Maybe a DIY hunt is better then hooking up with certain guides.
 
Either way, stinky is going to have a fun hunt, ox I wish you luck on yours and oh ya here is to my hunt with the stick flipper as well. I personally think a wasatch bull is going to be bigger then stinky's dutton bull.
 
Bottom line is he has a Panguitch lake tag so that's his focus he could care less what is on the Dutton.Same way I am with the Fishlake because thats the tag I have thats my focus. I could care less what is on the Dutton this year! Thats not saying I dont care about the guys with tags, I hope they all kill monster bulls. Do I think the Fishlake, Panguitch Lake, Central Mountain Manti,Anthro,North cash are as good of a tag as the Dutton NO. Do I think a guy could have just as good of a hunt on these lesser units YES! A hunt is not defined by how big of a bull is on the ground at the end of it!

Just Living The Dream
 
JLTD,

I would toss Fishlake in the same category as Dutton. I have seen some really good bulls fall off that unit. I would take a Fishlake any day.

I read and talk to guys that get lucky also utfireman. Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good. In fact, most times I will take luck over good! I talked to a guy who had Dutton in 04. It was pretty funny how when we asked for advice, he had no advice! He said he was one lucky SOB and skill had no part in his bull. In fact his bull scored 401 and he just laughed! Said he had no idea what he had until well after the fact. Said he thought he just shot a nice 6 point. 401 is pretty nice!;-) He is a massive, long, even six!
 
ktc, that is a good story and you got to admire the guys honesty. Usually you get someone who was along for the ride running off the mountain wanting to start a guide service because of their superior elk skills. :)
 
No kidding SS! I could easily lay claim to any 380+ off Dutton and convince the masses it was all my fault. The truth can be very enlightening at times! You just gotta know who/who not to talk to.;-)

It reminds me of those guys that see a 150-160 buck and to some it is 180-190 all day long. Talk is cheap when no one is watching. Did I tell you about the 12 400 bulls I have been watching on Dutton? They are really 320 bulls, but who's watching and going to prove me wrong anyway?:)
 
Saddle and ktc, it sounds like you guys might know of one of these phoney guides. Do they stake claim to the dutton? Have they ever produced anything worth bragging right?
 
Dutton?? Is that some newfangled crossbred deer and sheep or something? Never heard of it. What are you guys talking about? Anyone know of a good place to hunt elk?
 
It does happen fireman, no doubt. I guess it is just like anything else, anything to make a buck.

I spent 3 straight years down there hunting and helping and it is amazing what you see and hear. After that time I could probably build my own resume, but I doubt I could put in the work required to be a guide and feel good about taking someones hard earned money.

I am actually enjoying the Dutton posts. It is great seeing guys get excited for their hunt and living vicariously through them when you don't have a tag of your own. I hope they have as much fun as I did.
 
peak,

You are very accurate in that saying. If a outfitter or broker cannot provide proof I just dont buy it any more.

fireman,

I am finding so many outfitters and brokers are advertising their products and services on false pretenses. I see outfitters showing off a busted up bull as 380. No way when the whole top half is gone. Tags for sale that say 400 bulls available. No way, those are so rare and it has been decades since I have seen a legit 400 from Colorado. It is not just the guys trying to make money either. You can read post after post saying 400, 380 or nothing, 200 inch bucks, it was 30" wide. I have hunted for 30 years and most of that stuff I have never seen. To say a 400 bull is easy and I know where they are is complete BS. Show me. To say 400 bulls and 200" bucks are seen regularly, show me. I can type whatever I want and when I type the truth then I have to hear how is that all I found and not a 400 or 200? Pretty sickening. There is only one outfitter who shows 400 bulls regularly in Utah. The rest cannot do it.

I take all the big talking with a grain of salt any more. I used to be trusting, but after what I see, no more for me. Guys want their name out there based on internet chatter
 
dang utfireman. sounds like u got a beef with someone. no offense but u should leave that beef off the internet. lets just talk hunting cuz u just lost most of us. I also would like to comment to the fact that me and everyone else who have a tag r talking up the button cuz were excited. I think if u got a tag for another unit u should b excited as well and talk up ur unit also.

in case anyone cares here is why I chose to buy a button tag.
I talked over unit choices with slammy and wasnt to happy about the juan due to the fact roads are everywhere and rugged remote hunts r way funner. the pahvant was out cuz of all the private. the beaver was out cuz I just don't like the looks of the unit and the boulder had more roads than the button so that was a no as well. I didn't draw the Dutton but specifically paid a buttload of money to hunt an area I thought would give me the rugged nasty hunt I want which I also believe in my heart has the largest bulls because of all the hell holes those bulls have to hide in.
so there my two cents.






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Stinky,

I don't have a beef with anyone, and I haven't said anything about anyone or any outfit.

I was just throwing things out there that I have heard about the Dutton.
 
After 11 years of trying to pull a better tag i got a late Panguitch tag,im 55 years old and a lot slower that my younger years,that's why i made a change.I have killed a ton of bucks but never a bull. No matter what, this will be the biggest bull ive ever killed and the smallest. Hope you all have a great elk hunt, im going too. John California
 
I think their are 2 or 3 guides that will produce a 400+ bull or close to it every year, and their is probably 5-6 guides that will produce a 200+ inch deer every year. So to say that they are all lying isn't fair. Most outfitters do exaggerate. But it is also up to the guy booking the hunt to trust the guide and find a reputable one that has a history of producing. You pay for what you get... And lets be honest, most of us are jealous that we aren't guides. I wish I was making 100 grand a year doing the thing I love the most... That would be nice.

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LAST EDITED ON Jul-18-09 AT 04:19PM (MST)[p]All I know is that there is only 28 more days till my hunt on the Boulder starts!!! I can not wait!!! I am starting to feel the pressure! Good luck to those of you that have tags, hope that your hunts work out the way you have all dreamed of. Chad
 
Good luck to all, as i don't have a tag! so everyone else shoot something you are proud of, that is all that matters!

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Spot Hogg Seven Deadly Pin
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LAST EDITED ON Jul-18-09 AT 07:43PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jul-18-09 AT 07:39?PM (MST)

well thanks for all the reading fellas. i never once said pang. was any worse or better than the dutton. like i said the dutton is a great unit but its not some amazing holy grail unit.that everyone makes it out to be. other units have huge bulls also. i just think there is too much hype behind the dutton. i think any le tag is as good as the next in utah. some are better some years and in other years the others are better and you never know what units are going to be the top for that year. for those of you that said youd take 1 dutton over 3 pang tags. need to get a cat scan.cause your just plain crazy and ignorant.also when did i ever say 370 is unrealistic i never once said anything on scores. and for whoever said youd rather a rifle tag than a archery tag is becuae you choose too hunt with a rifle. i like archery its more exciting and you have to get closer its more challenging its a blast and yes the rifle tags generally have bigger bulls tagged because you can see one from 500 yards and kill it. you can see just as big of bulls on archery you just sometimes cant get to them. id rather shoot a 350 archery bull with a bow than a 360 or 70 with a rifle. its just more exciting for me with a bow. its not about score. sure it makes it more fun when you can relate with the size of bulls witha number but there are alot of things on deer and elk that dont get scored. like a heavy bladed sword on elk wont be counted any bigger tahn a willowy sword . so score istnt everything its the characteristices that make the rack imho. so for those of ya that think dutton is the holy grail elk unit....lets hear why? what makes it better? ill tell ya why panguitch is better than the dutton!...at least for me! the reason that i only put in for pang lake and sw desert. i know the units better, i live in cedar and i can go scout both of them more often, ill be able to be close to home so i can hunt it more often and still be able to go home every night if i want. i also know that any le elk tag in utah has the potenial to produce great bulls. i also know panguitch lake is way underrated and so it is easier to draw and i still can kill a great bull or a monster off of it!and i know just as big of bulls have come off it as the dutton! .BUT!!! we can agree on one thing for sure the backdoor cafe is pretty dang good. good luck with your hunts
 
what makes the button so good is the fact that it is in utah where the genetics are proven. it is an le tag. and the most important detail is that we have tags for that unit. if I woulda bot a wasatch tag that would be the best unit......... ok maybe not, but if I had a pang tag id be talking that unit up. geez ur thick ox. were talkin it up cuz were excited. aren't u excited about ur hunt???? if so why aren't u talkin it up and sayin how many 400 bulls ur gonna see n get urself all worked up for ur hunt. its like a pep talk before the big game. now all I need is for slammy to slap me on my butt and tell me to go get em tiger..... grrrrrrrrrr!





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IS THAT THE PROBLEM! DAMN! I WILL CALL MY NEUROLOGIST MONDAY MORNING TO GET MY HEAD EXAMINED! THANKS OX, YOU SAVED MY LIFE!;-)
 
These Dutton posts seem like a never ending deal to me! Anyway, if you remember back to the "Utah Good Ole Days" of about 5+ years ago you will remember that gobs of mondo, live velvet bull photos were coming up this time of year on Utah elk posts. Where are all the trailcam and other photos and videos? Now all that I seem to be seeing is photos of mile marker signs and merchantile stores...could this be a sign of the times?
 
A friend of mine has an archery tag on the dutton. He says he has seen a legit 400 this year! He wouldn't tell me where he saw it though.

good luck with the tags this year it is a banner year for horn growth. there are several areas I have heard a lot of chatter about several areas with sightings of bulls over 370.
wish I were in the game!

time will tell

Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
well go ahead and talk it up i was just wonderin why in the heck everyone talks it up so much...if its just cause ya have a tag and are excited than cool. just seems like every where i go someone is talkin up the dutton like its the holy grail place.O of course im stoked for my hunt i go up 2-3 times a week scoutign!i havent seen any 400 inch bulls yet...so thats why im not sayin anything about the 400s.will i see one maybe maybe not! i have seen som dandy bulls including one that i really like and should be over or around 350 maybe+ (hard to say still had growin to do) with about a 8-10 inch cheater as of 3 weeks ago. havent seen the bull again since but i havent looked to hard for him again. been looking for other bulls too . so i can have a good idea of my options. well sorry to be a scrooge and put a damper on your pep rallies.... rally away fellas and good luck i hope you do kill a monster!
 
u frigging pessimist ox! theres butt loads of 400 bulls on ur unit and ur gonna find one. at least start tellin urself that! now lets hear how awesome that unit is cuz I have heard good things about it. I saw a local rancher who was tryin to sell me a cwmu tag and killed a 390 and a 380 last year and said he saw a 400. I almost bit but my friends talked me out of it. they said his place did have big bulls. so why not start smack talkin with the rest if us. it keeps u goin while this dangeD summer drags on.






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stinky,

Well there you have it! No video or stills, but if you want to believe swb's internet chatter, there is a 400 on Dutton! Game on stinky! I expect nothing less from you! I only saw one legit 400 in 3 years, so I am quite inadequate, but word is a 400 is on The Lava Rockpile!:)

By golly 2009 is the year to write and rewrite the record books! Do you think we can do it? I have a Benjamin that says we can! I am on board Team Stiny!
 
haha more like realist i know there is a good chance some 400s are runnin up there but havent seen them yet... and actually this summer is going way to fast haha i cant bieleve how fast this hunt is sneakin up... running outta time for scouting. cant wait tho!! ive found if i talk things up to much it bites me in the butt so i keep a conservative stance on things. last year was slow on the unit so i am hoping some monsters were left up there the biggest i heard comin off there was a 403 gross on rifle..so they are there even on slow years ...just gotta find em still.
 
I hope you guys can PROduce a 400 inch bull on the Dutton and end this giant PROduction. I have heard all the PROs and Cons of the Dutton. Ummmm wait, or is it PROs are cons of the Dutton?
Anyway Never mind. Where was I? Oh yes.... I have heard all the PROs and cons and choose not to guess the out come of this years hunt on the Dutton. This years moisture should be cause for PROlific antlergrowth. Don't PROcrastinate your pre season scouting, get out there and be PROductive!
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Ox
some great bulls have come off the Pang. I have seen some really good bulls there during deer season so I know you will find the one that makes your heart beat faster and harder just before you release that arrow, The score really isn't a thing to worry about. Good Luck this season up there.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
LOL!!!!!
Geeez, i go out of town for the weekend and miss all this jibber jabber "smack down"!

Just got back again from back to back weekends on that damn rockpile....didn't see nuttin again!! ;-)

Stinky, sell the tag, quick!!








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Finally! Good job slammy! Glad to see someone getting with the PROgram!

Hurry stinky! Sell the tag to ktc!;-) I cannot afford it! But I can punch it!;-)
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-19-09 AT 07:33PM (MST)[p]Yep hurry and sell it stinky so that we can focus on the Wasatch, after all the Dutton and the Wasatch are the two hotest units right now.
 
Theox,
Kill a monster buddy! You just have a whole lot of Warren Zevon "Excitable Boys" with tags here on the Dutton. Can't help ourselves......look us up come mid October eh?
 
WARBIRD-
I gotta admit, it has been VERY frustrating covering all the different areas i have this summer and seeing VERY few elk.
But....."Patients is a virtue" ;-)






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Dutton is the biggest chithole in the world to scout. Just wait until September! Every bull from Panguitch Lake, to Boulder, to Beaver, to Monroe come to Dutton to rut. Dutton has the hottest elk ***** in the south!;-)
 
Doug, You PRObably are not looking in the right areas if you havent seen atleast 6 or 7 400 inch bulls. Finding a giant bull is no PROblem down there!

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I think NUNYA may have a valid point. I just re-read post number 14 and it sounds pretty easy to me. Something is not adding up?

Slam, it sounds like your scouting is right on schedule from what I experienced.
 
I just watched that video I bought in the mm store section called incredibulls. PRO was the one who sent the video in. I think he deserves at least "some" credit for that 402" lowry bull. I've heard lots of tales of him not being there and all and watched the video to find out he was definitely there. The kill scene showed PRO moving the head freely meaning he was obviously somewhere in the very near vicinity when the bull was killed since rigarmortis hadn't set in yet. I just don't like seeing anyone tore up on any site and think everyones being really hard on him. Lets wait till this hunt is over in September before the jury comes back with a verdict. Sound fair guys? BTW; I was a complete butt to Doyle Moss and unjustly accused him based on conversations we had which were based on both sides not knowing the facts. After Doyle called and apologized and explained his side I felt pretty sick which is why I won't be so critical of anyone until slammy's mother....... I mean the fat lady sings.



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These things are causing me and a whole bunch of other excitables to not get enough sleep. And nothing starts for another 25 days or so. I'm gonna be a basket case when it comes time.......but then again, thats why God made caffeine.
 
Stinky, I don't think anyone will say that bart wasn't there helping out a old coworker.I have talked to mr lowry before so I know the whole story. And then the following year he guided mr balford.again I don't think anyone is saying that bart hasn't spent some time there chasing bugles.
 
Lets hear about bulls people are seeing on the dutton and other units.... How bout it. Noone is talking about horn growth.



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