Statewide Elk Tag in WA?

M

Mule_Deer_Crazy

Guest
Any of you guys check out the results of that hunter survey WDFW was running earlier in the year? The number one ranked thing was people wanting to change to a statewide elk tag and number two was more Nov. 1-18 mule deer hunts. You can check out the rest of it on their website, it's interesting reading.

We'll see what the Department does with it?
 
I hope they dont go to a statewide elk tag, it will be a frickin zoo. Id like to see more buck tags though.
 
While it's an interesting read, I found that it simply listed which ones got the most 'ticks'. What it doesn't say is why or what the people had to say about those subjects.

I also have seen some of the subjects being put forward for my region (4) and they were ranked at the very bottom of this same survey. So apparently, it looks like rather than dealing with the "hot items" the department ( at this time ) is still pushing ahead with a previous agenda.

The one point in the philosophy the state is working with is why they feel the need to match the statewide split in weapon users in each district. I think some districts are more suited to be a little stronger in one or two weapons and other districts can lean another way. AS long as the statewide split is matched statewide I'm happy.

oh well, Merry Christmas.
 
I say no to a state wide elk tag as well. As far as more rut hunts...that should be dependent on the health of the heard not what we want.
 
No to statewide elk tags. We might loose some more big bull permits in the colockum to. The Yakima tribe had a open season on big bulls up there this year. They took a lot of big bulls.

The WDFW should do a post season mule deer count after every year to set next years late buck hunt quotas. Not every three years. How do places like Wyoming and Utah get their rules out so fast and it takes WA so long. Those places have harder winters then we do.
 
State wide elk tags IMO would not be good. Where is the survey results. Did not see it?
 
If I could I would change it to no late mule deer hunts. I would do this because hunting deer on their over wintering ground is kind of BS. It would also keep the deer herd healthier and the people that worked hard would still get there big bucks. Of course this would never happen because they are so concerned about the money and not the herds. Just my .02 cents.
 
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yakima indians hunting the Clockum????????????????????????What next????????????????????
OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU WANT TO GET MY DANDER UP!!!!!!!!!THOSE SOBS GET BETTER ELK HUNTING ON ADAMS THAN ANY WHITEMAN IN THE WORLD. OK, when can I hunt on their rez. Lummi indians in the methow, Colville Indians wherever they damn well feel like it. Yakimas shooting them in the feeding stations GIVE IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so sick of this crap. Oh, and as soon as we get a population of salmon or steelhead in a river, lets open up gill netting....................ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Has anyone heard of a reservation, and if they want all of their soveriegn rights, then build a border and keep them off of white man land.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
What boneaddict said....

The crap with the tribal rights in this state is more frustrating than a three legged dog trying to bury a turd on an icy lake.....
 
Tell me about it! My hunting buddy is a Squaxin. He got so fed up with all the "tribal poaching" and b.s. that he moved to the other side of the state. He has hunting and fishing rights, but choses to buy over the counter tags and hunts and fishes the same as non-tribal folks. They want it all! I spent tens of thousands of dollars fighting a lawsuit against the tribes over shell fish rights. My family has owned and operated oyster and clam beds for damn near 100 years and those pr!cks tried to take it from us saying that they had the right to half, if not all of shellfish in the sound because their an(in)cestors harvested shellfish for food and trade. To be honest, I am damn supprised that we won the case. Hell, let them have their casinos, smoke and alcohol shops, convention centers an so on, just take back the hunting and rights. They no longer need it to survive, especially when each tribal member is getting several grand a month from the casino and does not have to lift a finger to do it. Aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrghhh!!!!!! Ok, I'm stepping off of my soapbox now.
watermark.php

yotewalk.gif


Eric
 
Yeah, step off so I can get back on, but I am fed up enough to say enough things to have the authorities here, so I'll take a chill pill. Its just plain WRONG!
 
At least make them hunt with hand made stick bows and not shiny new .300 ulta mags. When that stupid treaty was signed they didn't have the ability to WIPE OUT a herd. Nor the desire. It's time to revise this stupid piece of paper.
 
The authorities around where I live, give the any road kill or poached elk or deer, to the tribes, what about donating to food banks or the needy I cant believe this state caters to the tribes the way they do.
 
Here is part of a post in the Yakima Herald from Dec 14th 2005. One hunter and 9 big bulls.

It pretty much says so what and get over it.

I've also gotten calls on supposedly illegal hunting of elk by Yakama Nation hunters in the Colockum. The big concern, of course, is that because the elk aren't yet seeing a slew of hunters because the regular seasons haven't begun, the big bulls aren't in hiding. One caller said a Yakama hunter "has taken nine big bulls ... It's aggravating and totally wrong."

Maybe. But totally legal. Yakama hunters are legal to hunt in all of the areas that were within their traditional hunting grounds; that was in the treaty of 1855. If you're a non-Indian hunter, you might get upset about that, but consider this: You still have far more hunting opportunities than you'd have in most other states.

And the Yakamas were here before long you were. Consider what they lost years ago. And consider yourself lucky.
 
Were there any elk on the east side of the Cascade Mountains in 1855? Does anybody know? I've read that elk are not native in eastern Washington, except for the Blue Mountains.

I agree that indians should be allowed to hunt but only with traditional weapons...the same ones they used back in 1855.
 
First time I actually disagree with you Craig... Here is my side of the story;
1) For instance, the Lummi indians claiming they have treaty rights to hunt the Methow Valley. Back in the 1900's 1800's whenever, think of this. Did the Lummi indians ever have access into the Methow Valley in November or December. NO! They may have road their little horses over in the Summer or walked, when the herds were scattered. Did they have high powered automatic weapons, NO! Did they shoot 55 deer in one spot, then cut the heads off of a bunch and let them lay. NO! Did they ever hunt for antlers. NO
2) Did any of the tribes such as the Yakimas jump in their 4 wheel drive truck and drive up into the clockum and have access with their 4 wheelers. NO. Did they hunt with high powered 300 mags. NO. Did they harvest 9 bulls in one day. NO Did they care if it was a trophy bull or cow. NO
3) Nylon netting. If you want to have exclusive rights to a river than fish it with nets made out of cat gut, or rawhide or whatever you used back in the 1800s. Stand on platforms with your old dip nets. Did they have motorized boats with motorized nets which styretched across whole rivers. NOT A CHANCE. They fished with hand made dip nets, and spear. Did they harvest more than they could eat. NO, ok, maybe they did for some trade, but wasn't for the almighty dollar. They didn't bring in huge boatloads. They never took more than the land could provide. Just like a good trapper, who moves from an area before wiping out the game. They were stewards of the land NOT RAPISTS.
Lets get real.
4) OK, so here is the extreme part. If they have these rights because their ancestors had them, well my ancestors SHOT them if they left the border of their reservation. DOES that mean I get open season on any I SEE outside the rez. NO because thats not realistic. Either is what they are doing.
 
boneaddict

What part do you disagree with me about?

My last post is a artical out of a Yakima newspaper. I just posted it to try and let people know what is going on.

No way I wrote that. I think everything they are doing is wrong and abuse.
 
Oh good, I thought you wrote the last part, about how we have more oppurtunities and we should count ourselves lucky, and feel sorry for them etc. in the last sentence or two. I thought that that was your thoughts on the matter. Its probably one of the few subjects that I just explode over.
 
This thread has been hijacked......the whole indian hunting thing is BS and unfortunate to the herds in this state. I would be surprised if we went to a single elk tag, although I could see some positives, it would give me more opportunity to hunt. It would make things more of a zoo, but things are pretty bad already so I don't know how much worse it can really get. In another month there going to have the public meetings with more recommendations. I for one will be at the one in Tacoma and let my voice be heard, everyone else should speak up too. I'm going to push for the special permit drawings to be moved up sooner. That is something we need badly.
 
ridgerunner don't you have a ton of elk points. Are you ever going to draw a awsome elk permit.

Good luck
Craig
 
I'm hoping this is my year, they are talking about opening up some of the Yakima units during the rut with a rifle, I'll take one of those tags any year. It will make the wait worth it I'm sure.
 
I heard the Same Yakima Indian truck left the Clockum out the Ellensburg side FULL OF VERY LARGE BULLS more then once this SEASON!!! ( From a VERY reliable source!!! I agree with the Indians hunting there. Archery only and COWS ONLY unless they Draw an ANY BULL TAG!!! Give me a brake!!! Good Luck P.S. My Grandmother was FULL BLOODED HUPI INDIAN so NO I am NOT Rasist!!!
 
the reason you are seeing the indians come off of the rez to hunt, using the "usual and accustomed" argument is because they have decimated the quality of the elk and deer herds on the rez.

I posted this on another thread, but since the state has gone to the spike only rule on elk, the quality of bulls has risen so far that there is now better elk hunting off the rez then on it.

Isn't it crazy that we can have a state with 3 million people in it, but have better elk herds on public land than a reservation with beautiful habitat and an extremely low population of indian hunters?

For any of you yakima area hunters, ask yourself why the state abandoned unit 342 as a deer draw only unit 2 years ago......it was because the Dept of wildlife got sick of all the indian hunting, truckloads of mature bucks were coming out of the mud lake area daily. It is pretty pathetic when you have to return a unit to a general draw so the quality goes down, so the indian poaching will stop.

It is a real problem in this state that doesn't get a lot of attention. When the dept makes decisions on what units it wants to manage for mature elk and deer, it needs to pay special attention to how the indian factor will play out, because if they have a legal right to hunt that unit, as soon as the quality of animals rises up, they will be there.

The key here is that with all of these new regulations that the dept has put in place the last 6 or 7 years for elk and deer, the number of mature bulls and bucks have risen to the point where now it is better hunting off the rez then on it.

It really is pathetic that such a small population group (indians) who are a sovereign nation in control of some of the best deer and elk habitat in the state are so inept at controlling their own hunting on their rez that it is better hunting off the rez then on it.

The big issue here is that a very small number of people can do massive damage to the mature buck and bull populations, they have proven that on their own rez'.

Unfortunately, there is little one can do about it. Legally, it seems to be kind of a grey area. And, prosecuters seem unwilling to dump a bunch of resources into prosecuting people over it for something legally unsure.

The only way that I can see to help control it is to essentially wage a PR campaign against them. A lot of people are sympathetic to the indians in this state. But, that being said, those same people (libs) are not going to stand for indians shooting the biggest bulls and bucks by the truckloads. That will not play well on TV or in the newspapers, especially if their is video or photographs. One problem I see is that there are occasional stories about this in the mainstream press, but there is never any video or pictures. I would tell all sportsmen to carry their digital cameras and if they are out in the field and see this to take pictures. A picture of 9 dead mature bull elk in the back of a truck in the local newspaper or the Seatttle Times, is not going to play well with the general public.

The indians have already basically won the legal argument. But, they have always based their right to hunt these animals as one of spirituality, sustenance, etc. If you can expose that farce to the public then MAYBE the PR of it all will help slow it down. They are acting in an unethical and immoral way when it comes to harvesting these animals, and people will not stand for that, if you can get the word out.
 
And what part of they lost the fight, and should be happy we gave them anything do you not understand. Are you aware of any other country who has done what we did after taking over? Get real.
 

Click-a-Pic ... Details & Bigger Photos
Back
Top Bottom