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LAST EDITED ON Sep-27-09 AT 08:38PM (MST) by kilowatt (moderator)[p]LAST EDITED ON Sep-27-09 AT 08:36?PM (MST) by kilowatt (moderator)

So my client doesn't trust my field judging abilities. His goal was 350 or better. I would say this one meets those requirements. What do you guys think he scores?
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I am no expert but i think that bull is way over 310 he looks like a 350 he has an great back end and good fronts and has no week spots smoker bull what tag did your hunter have?
 
high 330's maybe low 340's in my opinion. Great bull just think he lacks good browtine length and mass. Hopefully u shoot him and let us all know what he scored, Good luck!
 
355+.

("For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9")
 
Tell your client that if he doesnt trust his guide's abilities, then maybe he should get his own "abilities" and learn to hunt and field judge on his own!

That is a smoker 350" plus for sure!


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LAST EDITED ON Sep-28-09 AT 10:15AM (MST)[p]I came up with 351, and I could be 10"s off in ether direction. I would call him a 345-355 bull. dose he have a small 7 comeing off his 4th on his right side I wasnt sure.

I also agree with EROCK.

But also if it was not a bull that the hunter wants to shoot then thats fine, he should change his standards to what will make him happy though, like 370, and not tell you that you dont know what your doing.

Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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I have to agree with most of the posts above, that back end should get him above 350. If the hunter is doubting that its probably not the bull for him but that is a great bull.
 
Definately a 350 or better bull..
If he is that hung up on score, and lets a great looking bull like that go, I'd not worry too much about making him happy..
That is a great looking bull....and plenty big!
 
horn,

Are you nuts? Buddy that bull is not 310. I was going to say 335-340 but he has extras which add up fast. I would say 350 is a safe guess. He is a bit willow horned but he has decent tines. If he wants 350 it should fit the bill. He is not 310. I have killed a 300 bull and your bull is much better.
 
Agree with most above. I've got a 310 and a 355 and that bull is much closer to the 355 than it is to the 310. Just eyeballing it I'd say right at 345+ with its one weakness being lack of mass. If it had mass to go with it's tine length, that boy would really be a smoker.
 
Here is a little comparison. This bull was killed by my dad. He is a straight 7x7, with weak fronts, good back end (at least on his left side, decent mass. I think the two bulls are comparable with a couple diffences (7X7 compared to 6x7, my dad's bull looks to have a little more mass and bull in pic is more symetrical). My dad's bull officially scores 373 gross P&Y.

Just thought I would throw this up for a comparison.

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Brian
 
350? maybee 300 310 are you kidding me? He is for sure at least 350 yea he is lacking on the mass but look at the rest of the bull great tine length he seems to have decent mane beams. Yes i would say he is alot close to 350 than he is to 300 come on.
 
I am saying close to 365 or up in my opionion. great tine length yea a bit willow horned but guys look at the remainder this bull is carrying. great looking bull awesome back end.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-28-09 AT 11:20PM (MST)[p]?? sorry after further evaluation im going to say 322, shoot that dink and you'll be sorry! tines lengths ok, short beams 47-48 maybe, and no way in kentucky is that bull 40 on the inside!
ktc ae you looking at the log on the other side of the tank? extras? ok lets add the log so give him another 18, umm 340! but what do I know I've only helped about 50-60 guys kill bulls from spikes to 393! mm overacheivers! and before you guys start trying to blab numbers and what im missing just go check out the az unit 1 bulls in the az forum, that's a true 344 bull no guessing or stretching. this ones not even close!
 
I stand corrected on the extras. Miscount on my part. I would still give him 340. Maybe he wont meet your expectations?
 
alright guys for a limited time only im giving out FREE mm 1/4" steel tape measures, they start at 6" and go all the way to 6'! and I'll also include a FREE antler stretcher! wow never get anything less than the score you desire!
that's a nice bull and cool pics, im not trying to offend you in any way, shape, or form. thx for sharing. (my disclaimer)
 
at least your being honest, I was expecting you to throw out some silly azz number! can I interest you in a ntape measure?
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-29-09 AT 07:35AM (MST)[p]Sure, I can use it to prove something to the ladies!

that's the only time I throw out silly azz numbers.
 
rofl! good man! you never know what your going to get thrown at you around here!
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-02-09 AT 12:25PM (MST)[p]
I'm just saying there are a lot of similarities between those bulls:

- the cheater off the base of the royal
- tip up beam on the rt side
- 6th and the shape of beam after 6th
- shape of thirds and fronts
- the shape of the 5th on the rt side

I wouldn't have scored it no where near that high based off the live photos either, but I have seen a couple bulls that had huge bodies and misjudged them as a result of it.
 
The original poster can probably help answer the question of if it's the same bull or not. It looks close to me. If not, he's an identical twin as far as antler configuration. I know trying to judge from just a couple of field photos can be a challenge.

The thing that amazes me is all the armchair scoring experts. I have to wonder how many have actually ran a tape over a set of 400" antlers or sheds? Or even 350" antlers or sheds. It's truly an art and I've seen some of the best misjudge bulls at times.
 
That's the same bull alright. I ran into those guys on a hill glassing in that area and right after I took those pictures those guys showed up and checked the wallow right where the bull layed down. I can't believe it!
 
Very rarely post but I think when someone is off by more than 100" on score and then tries to defend himself instead of eating crow, it's worth mentioning. No doubt that is the same bull and he looks like he might score a little more than 310". Hornhunter, just admit you were wrong. Thanks for the pics nimrod.
 
Thats what I thought. To bad your client didn't believe he
was a shooter. I bet he will be kicking himself if he sees this.

By the way did you end up killing a bull?
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-02-09 AT 02:49PM (MST)[p]How about now. Maybe it was all the white in the pics that was throwing people off? If its the same bull which it looks like it is some of the guesses were off by 100+ inches! I know its hard to tell from picture but imagine if you pass on this bull thinking he wasn't 350 and he turned out being over 400. That would SUCK!!! BIG TIME!!!!

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im still having a hard time buying that's the same bull, those fronts still don't look 15, and the thirds only look a little better than that. but ok should have shot him! I would've passed and never regretted it! by the way downsouth I have over 50 elk sheds that score better than 180! so yeah im usually close! and I've seen a ton of bulls with huge fifths that never measure up! eat crow? never you asked I delivered, and im still having fun!
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-02-09 AT 06:11PM (MST)[p]I have a harder time believing that there are two bulls running
around the hills with the exact same head gear. Not just
similar but the exact same, right down to the cheater, long
flatened out fifths, brows that go up and tip out, and beams that
are the exact same. The odds of that happening have to be about
the same as winning mega-bucks. But thats my $.02, I don't have
50 sheds over 180 so I am taking my ball and going home.
 

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