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First off I am not trying to say right or wrong, just want some opinions on this, Do you think that a person that makes tons of money (reguardless how)should be in the same classification as a average guy when it comes to record book standings? I am not trying to diss on anyone. just want opinions.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-09 AT 01:34AM (MST)[p]There is no difference on that point! But the guy with 20 friends cant hunt it every year. Like the guy with $$$$$$$. I am not trying to diss on anyone, if I had the money I would do the same, but should it be in the same Classification??
 
yes....

great post/pic, thanks for sharing

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I think it is the harvested animal score that gets listed in the 'books'......... not the hunters income amount that gets listed.

Robb
 
It makes no difference to me. But, for sake of talk.... what about two separate categories: Guided, Unguided
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-09 AT 08:54AM (MST)[p]For the sake of talk, .....private and public. We could have 20 different record books for every different type of hunt. I think that i shouldn't have to pay the same for groceries as a guy with $$$$$$. I don't care either way. The biggest bucks and bulls killed each year are not always guided hunts!
JC
Colorado Hunting Consultants LLC
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>I agree with BradN on this
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>UTROY
>Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)

Whats the difference between a paid guide showing somebody where to hunt, or a helpful guy from your local neighborhood hunting forum? The end result is the same, somebody else shared their knowledge of an area, we see this quite often right here on MM. Does it make the animal taken by the guy that paid for the info somehow lesser? I think not, especially in this day and age of slow economy and job loss! If a rich guy wants to spend his $$$ in my state, that can only help all of us!
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What do the "BOOKS" mean anyways?????? I like a scoring system just so we can compare but there are as many LUCK animals in the books as SKILL animals.

A guy can wait a lifetime to draw a great tag, have done his homework by scouting/helping others, get in great shape, hunt hard and smart all day and still not take a BOOK animal.

The other guy draws with no points, oversleeps on the opener, goes outside to relieve himself and kill a BOOK animal and not even realize what he's done.
 
I like it! LOL!

New Boone & Crockett catagories:

1.Hunters with under $25K income. An additional 30 points will be added to the net score. Called the low income adjustment.

2.Hunters with over $25K but under $75K. Standard measurements apply.

3.Hunters over $75K but under $150K. An additional 30 points will be deducted from the net score. Called the high income adjustment.

4.Hunters over $150K. Requires a minimum 390 net score to enter typical. A $10K entry fee.

5.Hunters who use a licensed guide with incomes over $150K. Requires a minimum 420 net score to enter typical. A $20K entry fee.

All incomes will be verified using an average of the last four years federal income tax returns.

Eel

Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
 
Sorry to be a party pooper but most people in Utah have no right asking this question. I paid a ton of money for my elk hunt last year. Me and my guides combined accounted for 3 sets of eyes.

However, I saw that the majority of the elk hunters, UTARDS, had at least 20 to 30 spotters/friends in camp. I saw one camp that was completely unguided and had over 30 horses, 15 campers, 25 some odd vehicles and countless quads and other modes of trasportation. I also saw several locals who had every last member of their family head out in all directions on horses to find one bull. Yes you heard me right, "ONE" bull! How is that even close to ethical? Those guys with 20 spotters spooked how many bulls for other hunters. How many elk ran to the caves that were never even sighted by another licensed hunter? I say 70% of the elk that were spooked were done so by guys that didn't even have a tag. And why were they spooked? so that someones good ol buddy could come back to camp and say "Dude, I saw this giant bull this morning and he was running full steam your direction i think. Didn't you see him?" I say there needs to be three categories in the record books. Guided, Unguided, and utah super camp hunts. Of which utah super camp hunts should get zero credit for killing anything. Just wished people would ridicule this type of hunting more than guided hunts because that is the worst case of cheating period. It screams, "hey, I don't know how to hunt!" Just my two cents but I've never seen "friend and family" hunts of that level in any other western state and I've been to a few.
 
Thanks for the opinions guy,s theres been some funny ones, I personaly don,t think there is a difference in guided and unguided like Stinky said, eyes scouting are eyes scouting, but what about the fact that $$$$$ can buy a tag every year? why we wait are 15-20 yrs for a tag?? Shouldn't they have to wait?? or because of the $$$$$ that fact is void!
 
Eel,
You forgot to add:
1. Left vs. right handed hunters.
2. Hunters less than 5'6", hunters 5'6" to 6', and those over 6'

Basically if we all brainstorm we can come up with enough categories that every hunter who kills an animal will be able to make it in the "Books".
 
stinky,
that sucks that you had such a crappy experience! Maybe you should have asked a few more utards to bring their family to help you. You know, the ones that haven't been able to hunt an area for 15 years and they are now excited to go and help. It would be nice if all utards had guides to spend every weekend on those units, not just a few weekends. I guess you could always get a few more wives and bring all their bothers with you next time. lol

I agree that we should just burn the damn books and hunt because it is our passion, not just to go shoot the biggest thing out there to make up for what the good lord forgot to give ya.
 
You get rid of allowing two radios and you won't have the 20 guys in the field doing yer spotting. Then it'll be fair chase. You don't mind using two way radios to harvest trophy animals, then why not just hire some guy in a heliocopter to find yer game so you can go shoot it. The line with fair chase has gotten real fuzzy in some states. Glad they don't allow that crap here. I don't see an issue with money or guided vs unguided except for the info I already noted...
 
I agree a trophy is a trophy regardless of the money spent to harvest it but I do view the animals killed by the gov. or raffle tags holders that get to hunt outside of the regular set seasons we all have to hunt within a little differently. Killing a trophy bull with a rifle in the rut when no one else is hunting or a big old buck on the winter range when everyone else is done for the year is not the same to me as the same class animal that is killed during a set season with all the pressure that goes along with that. I don't have a problem at all with those tags but the hunt ain't the same to me, but I would take one in a heartbeat! nwhunter
 
Instead of using the corny Eastman "rack bracketing" we could use the IRS Tax bracketing. You are on to something Eel.
 
the way I see it you all have a slim chance at getting a tag every year and for a few bucks a chance at a gov tag! what's the deal with all the pathetic pity parties on here lately? get over it! too bad! and huntingjlc if I remember right stinky invited every utard on here to go hunt with him!
 
hey hornhunter,
I guess from now on I will make sure to tel you when there is sarcasm coming so you can see it!
 
I have a question. Whats the difference between a whealthy person and a low income person? I think they are both still human. Do we need different record books for different races white,black,Hispanic,ect. i don't think it matters. It's all about the animal anyways.
 
Seriously... If you want to hunt with the Governors tag. go to the damn auction and buy it! It's tiring hearing all of these posts bagging on the Gov tag and guided hunts. Who gives a rats a$$! I for one hope to be able to buy that tag one day, and when I do... Im hiring the best guide and will hunt during the time when I have the best opportunity. If the "average joe" feels like he will never get the chance for the Gov tag, he should figure out a way to make some more money and buy it... instead of being jealous, maybe we should admire those who have done well with their lives and can afford such luxuries.
 
Like BradN said - it makes no difference to me really, nothing is going to change and the "trophy" lies in the eyes of the hunter. All the books do is set an arbitrary hierarchal categorization to a sport whose success can not necesarily be measured in terms of antler inches. What to the books celebrate anyway? The animal itself or the hunter?? I think the original purpose was to celebrate the animal, that is why an animal can be found dead or taken by means of fair chase and still be recognized.

However way too many individuals use trophy hunting to gratify their sense of pride. And while I can't speak for any individual and their motives, it sure seems to me that many are just trying to win the pissing contest and buying tags and paying thousands for guides allows them to do so. Personally it makes me sick, but that also admits that I am making some kind of value judgement on that type of hunter's character and motivation when in reality, I have no clue as to what is going on and any complaint I have smacks of jealosy and envy, even though I may be right.

And as Tony pointed out - what is the difference between being guided and aided on a hunt by a family member who is a great hunter, has watched the animals, scouted them, patterened them and takes me to them and a professional guide who does the same thing??

BUT!! A seperate category for guided versus non-guided hunts would help the rest of the world understand a little more as to how the animal was harvested.



UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-07-09 AT 09:34PM (MST)[p]Short answer to the original question. YEAH, I DO. Get over it.


If this thread proves nothing else, it does confirm that penis envy can take on many different forms!
 
most of you keep forgetting these trophy proffesional guided hunters are killing animals on public land. why arent we as sub income hunters finding them? If we had a tag of some certain potential workin just as hard as these screwballs? quit bitchin and put in the work. I dont like doyle or any of them but we keep puttin our foot in our mouths and just sit here and ##### and whine! It isnt that hard to spend some time and scout, unless your good at coming up with excuses. We as poor bastards work harder than the rich, lets show that work in our hunting.
 
I don't know why there is so much hatred between DYI hunters and Guided hunters we are all hunters and should be fighting to make sure that the right to hunt, and that the hunting heritage will be here for our children to take part in. If you put all your fight into that cause these commie bastards wouldn't be passing all of these laws restricting guns, ammo, and the public land that we can hunt on.

As for record books who the F@@k cares. Hunting shouldn't be about how big the animals rack is, it should be about the experience in the outdoors with family and friends, to take game is just a bonus to me.

I think if getting your name in the record book is why you are huntint then you are no differant than someone who spends $$$$$$ to kill the biggest animal out there. Its about the size not the experience.

Before anyone gets pissed off I am not saying that guided hunt are not a great and enjoying experience, they can be a wonderful experience.

With that said, burn the f@@king record books and lets just enjoy the hunt!
 
Some a you people are a little to jelous about what someone else is doing.
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LAST EDITED ON Dec-10-09 AT 08:45AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Dec-10-09 AT 08:43?AM (MST)

What happened to the plain old desire and passion to hunt? How many record animals have been taken by your average Joe who just happened to be in the right place in the right time (without scouting, being guided or having 20 people spotting for him)?.....probably more "book" animals have been taken this way than a lot of people think...they just don't publicize their trophies!

I love reading/looking at record books but they are supposed to be there to recognize the animal and not the hunter. Too many people nowdays are too worried about getting their names into "the book" and it only takes away their sense of natural desire & passion to hunt.

I'd like to take a spectacular trophy someday, but i'm not going to let it eat at me when I don't get one....if it happens it happens is what I say. God willing, I will have a wallhanger someday but untill then I'll just enjoy the hunt. As well as having something to look forward to!

And NO there shouldn't be seperate distinction between $$$ classes because the "book" is supposed to recognize the trophy/animal.
 
huntin was huntin before any of the sfw banquet tags, quit the complaining. get of your secretary ass and HUNT! It is what it is. thats all we have to look forward to. do we need the state to promise us big trophy bucks and bulls every year? I guess so, at least they are a scapegoat. I dont like what happens in there managment plans and i go to many meetings. yes I think there should besomething done. Smaller micro managment units which should include more cougar tags. what about a managment plan to reintroduce 3 point or better? Dont kill a 2 point let them grow to be mature. It has been proven that a doe will pass by a 2 point or immature buck in the rut to breed a mature buck. just goes to show if you have late fawns there is a shortage of mature bucks. And they end up breeding up the pukes they turn down first rut. Which in turn leads to winter kill. wouldnt you want to pound the most bountiful and beautiful doe you could find? same goes for a doe. I have seen it! bottom line is that we need mature bucks! maybe shut down the S.O.B. for a year? If the state could manage mosquitoes we would kick ass! Just my worthless two freakin cents!
 
This is a dumb subject, it's all about jealousy.

This isn't the first dumb argument I've been in so here goes, what you're saying is people with money don't deserve it.

Rich people have better cars, better homes, better guns, airplanes, and when was the last time you saw a hot 25 year old blonde with a broke 70 year old bald guy? money has it's advantages, so why is hunting any different? we're a capitolist society so if you don't like it make more money and buy some tags yourself.

I have killed two book animals, and the one I killed with a guide I worked a lot harder for than the one I did myself. I also had to work to get the money to hire the guide, sometimes you get what you work for, sometimes you get lucky. that's life and that's hunting.
 
Wow I have seen some really dumb topics here on MM over the years but this may take the cake. I actually felt myself getting dumber reading some of this post.
Different record books based on Income????@#$# You have got to be kidding!!! You didn't even qualify it by saying that these "rich people" spent money on their hunts. So can a rich guy not do a do-it-yourself hunt?????
Thinking needs to come before typing!!!!!!

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The welfare case hunters record book would have the entry fee waved right? and we'll set the minimum entry at a yearling doe. $5 entry if your income is from 20k-30k and a forked antler on one side minimum. at what income level do we get back to the B&C book as we know it?
 
The "BOOK" is about the animal and how it measures up!
Not about the hunter or how much money he/she makes.

Take the hunters name out of the "BOOK"! LOL
Or get a life, grow up or make more money.

CANNON
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-11-09 AT 05:24PM (MST)[p]440 is right on the money and he is considered the resident liberal. Ha!!! (dude already 450 posts!!!!!)



I may never get a book muley or elk (I have a book antelope),but, I sure aint gonna look for excuses or someone else to blame. I also will not be jealous of a guy that spends tens of thousands for landowner tags, guided hunts etc....

Let him do it.

I love hunting so much that it does not matter. If I do get a book animal most likely will enter it to be a glory monger like the rest.
BTW, we just entered my sons Ibex in SCI, it appears to be #8 in NM.
 
There is a big difference! Its not about guided or unguided. Its if you pay someone money to find your animal and stay on it for months. And then you fly in and pull the trigger and then leave. That should not be allowed in. Then if you are allowed to hunt all year or many months because you had the money to buy the tag. When the Boone and Crockett book stated there was nothing like this going on or I would bet they would be different.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-14-09 AT 08:34PM (MST)[p]B&C only cares that the animal was harvested fair chase and legal, that's all that counts, jealousy isn't a factor.

The Boone and Crockett Club is made up of 100 wealthy and or powerful people, it is and always has been that way because TR wanted to get things done and these are the people who get things done. today in numbers we can have a larger impact but we owe the hunting we have today to wealthy powerful people like this, they overcame the odds to save our game and give us our parks and public lands. today the money they spend on high dollar hunts goes into the resouce for the most part and the outfitters make a living providing a service. it's all good once you get past the jealousy.

I'm a B&C O/M and I'm sure I'll never be nominated to the club, I'm fine with that we can't all be top dogs so I'll do my thing and they can do theirs, same goes with our hunting.
 
One point most have missed, i believe Teddy set up B and C scoring as a way to measure the conservation of the resource and a barometer to make sure we don't over harvest resources.

It wasn't as much about the hunter, but the management systems that would continue to "produce" record book animals.

So, in that regard, there have been some truly AMAZINING animls taken in North America this year - top ten all time for elk, bighorn sheep, Caribou, and many, many 235 plus mule deer.

SO with all the Pressure on game populations - human impacts, and hunting, pretty amazing some critter are still growing bigger and better than ever. Amazing there are still some great ones to dream about, and chase
 
You're right, actually the set the system up more to record these animals for future generations when they were extinct. many did not expect them to survive let alone be here for us to hunt, we should be thankful we have the chance to hunt at all not sweat it that somebody else has a better chance. we've turned to scoring system into a hunter's Johnson measurement system but that's not how it started, and I think it's great we can do that. it's all good.
 
The 2 best bulls and the 3 biggest bucks I ever personally saw harvested arn't in the books even though they are all top end when it comes to scores, they were taken by guys who wanted no publicity. It costs the same for big money to enter one in the books as it does for every one else.
 
Both should be treated the same the way you stated it.

Just have a problem with (some) of the rich that could not hunt a pine squirrel without a special tag or 100 finders pointing one out to them. Then being plastered into the magazines and on TV like they are some kind of real hunter.

Other than that money has no bearing on your skills or lack of them as a hunter.
I bet there are many rich guys that can hang with anyone on this site.
Best,
Jerry

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As one that has guided many rich & poor guys, most rich hunters kept up just fine! Fact is some were as hardcore as any!

Hey you tards must be getting numb, I see Doyle only mentioned one time!
 
As someone who probably sits right in the middle. Enough money to do most any hunt(other than a governor type tag) but raised burning firewood, picking berries, putting in hay etc. And had to work hard for money so I have a hard time spending money on any type of guided hunt etc, I will say that the animal is what is supposed to be honored in the book. However lets face it some of these guys we see over and over wouldn't pay the big money if they were not themselves somehow honored. But almost all of us true trophy hunters have pretty good size egos which we like to have stroked. We all like to have good tags, good areas, good hunting etc. but for some of us the line between an advantage ( great tag) and a somewhat canned hunt has been crossed with the governor type tag and posse of scouts out looking. In a perfect world we could all analyze every record class animal and vote to decide if the hunt or hunter was worthy of recognition but we would still argue. As much as I sometimes do not like it myself there is no better way than how it is now. If you take your kid out hunting and he kills the new world record that you prescouted, spotted, set him up on a bipod with a rifle and walked him through the shot, should your name be listed. Should sheep guides get the credit for dragging guys around, spotting their sheep, doing everything but pulling the trigger. What if there is 2 guides who did all the work? It gets to be splitting hairs. There are many rich guys who have lots of trophies who are not good hunters. But many self made rich guys have more drive than any of the computer hunters who critique everyone and hide in the make believe world they live in where they can hide behind a fake name and pretend their lack of success in hunting and life somehow has nothing to do with their own choices. I guess I could some up my opinions by saying I am not a fan of rich guys with a large posse hunting for 3 months and getting their name in the book or of guys pissing and moaning on the internet pretending they are great hunters themselves. Both get real tiring.
 
The whole thing about killing a book animal drives me nuts. I am actually a scorer for pope and young and the fact is "the books", as stated earlier, where not created for the hunter but for the animal. It was a way to show our government what good conservation could do for our animals. The only reason the hunters name is listed is because selling books is how BC and PY get a large portion of their revenue to continue with their conservation efforts.
The books have become a great research tool and a testament to what outdoorsmen have done for the outdoors. Bulls like the spider bull or any other governors tag type animal just further proves the point. No matter how or where these animals where harvested or who did or didn't guide them, it was our hunting dollars that provided the habitat and resources to grow these amazing animals. That is what the book is for, not rich vs. poor vs. left vs. right. My biggest gripe is hunters making the book about what it is not. And to add my two cents in, I killed my biggest bull ever this year on a DIY, public land, Colorado list C license. Money doesn't always out weigh desire, and just because somebody can afford $100,000 + for an elk hunt (only in my dreams) doesn't mean they where handed life on a silver spoon. Why is it that we all want the American dream but when someone works hard and gets it, we through the yellow flag and call a penalty on them. It's all God's anyway.
Sorry, felt pretty strongly on this one.
 
440sixpack put it into perspective!Money makes the world go 'round!Centuries ago the wealthy got the good stuff.Why should today be any different?Like it or not,that's the way it is!GET OVER IT ALREADY!!They drive the best cars,own the nicest homes,get the hottest chicks,buy the best hunts!It's called life in America.Taking that away from them to give to the rest of us is totally anti-American!IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS!!Who freakin' cares if your name is in some book(besides YOU!)?
 
I think they should have special record book for the animals that take over 10 shots to kill including a couple of shots in the guts and butt to "help break it down".lol

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what is the real purpose of the holy b@c book? to say my buck is better than yours? to say your buck is better than mine? i dont need a club to tell me if i shot a great buck . scoring bucks is fun, but do i really need somebody to tell me if i'm good enough to belong to your elite club? i dont think so. i dont have a b@c class animal, but have a few p@y eligible bucks that i will never have officially scored. just my preference. just seems wrong to deduct points from what god gave him. are't nets used for fishing?
 
The idea of the net score is to reward the perfect example of the species, it makes perfect sense. trash factor animals do fall through the cracks, but if it was easy to make the book it wouldn't mean anything.

The record books and the scoring system are invaluble to a trophy hunter withouit it all we'd have is pretty big, real big and OMG class animals so how do you use that information. if you don't like it all ignore it and let the rest of us be.
 
>This is a dumb subject, it's
>all about jealousy.
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>argument I've been in so
>here goes, what you're saying
>is people with money don't
>deserve it.
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>Rich people have better cars, better
>homes, better guns, airplanes, and
>when was the last time
>you saw a hot 25
>year old blonde with a
>broke 70 year old bald
>guy? money has it's advantages,
>so why is hunting any
>different? we're a capitolist society
>so if you don't like
>it make more money and
>buy some tags yourself.
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>animals, and the one I
>killed with a guide I
>worked a lot harder for
>than the one I did
>myself. I also had to
>work to get the money
>to hire the guide, sometimes
>you get what you work
>for, sometimes you get lucky.
>that's life and that's hunting.
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In line with your last thought here, it should be noted that, in most cases, the harder you work, the luckier you get!
 
So now we are going to 'socialize' hunting so everyone can be in the record books?

Kind of like when all the liberals were whining about Exxon's record profits, it's called capitalism, nitwits.

Now, methods used and locations? There should be some rules on that
dutch
http://coloradohuntandfish.blogspot.com
 
In my opinion new classifications are typically brought forward by guys who want to change the rules of the game so that they can win. If you don't like the rules, don't play. It's that simple.

Personally, I couldn't care less about the B&C record book. I have my own record book and there are no minimum scores, no net scores, no entry fees, no official scorers, and the only animals that qualify are the ones me and my closest friends and family have taken.

It's the only record book that matters to me.
 
+1 I think the book was a great thing in the past, but I think that it may be becoming detrimental in some cases. I might get hung on here for thinking so. Don't get me wrong I think we'd all love to have an animal in the book.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-09-10 AT 11:07PM (MST)[p]Well when I posted this thread I didn't think I would get this many replys. But its interesting to see everyones thoughts. There are some that feel the B&C doesn't mean anything, or that it is to reconize the animal itself. and to each his own! I guess when I see these big money guys killing all these record book animals, a little jealousy sets in! and a lot of times its derected the wrong way. ( at the system, the money involved, the person, the guides). but after reading some of these posts I have came to realize, that its really all about the experience you have with family and freinds on the hunt itself. Who cares what the animal scores as long as you have a good time and he's big enough for you! My son drew a tag in 2007 and took a 372 bull with the muzzloader and that is a day I will never forget. And I cant wait for the next person I know to draw a tag and do it all over again! So thanks for the replys guys and good luck on the hunt!
 
A lot of great points on this thread. I continue to say great to the $'s being spent if the hunting remains legal. At times the lure of big $'s has pushed the "drill" past legal and some have been caught hunting out of season, using ultra light planes and helicopters to name three. I also like the point about how most hunters wait 3,5,10+ years to get a tag and the Big $'s can buy one anytime. I think the auctions are good but should there be a waiting period after they buy one? Of course many hunters buy LO or guided hunts everyear as well? Score? Well it is a way to "talk" about and "compare" animals but the trophy should be in our own eyes. For be B&C means nothing. I have two antelope, two deer and one sheep that qualify and I wouldn't walk across the street to have them "officially" measured!
 
I've tried to avoid this thread but in short I say, if you have to pay big money to take an animal?

That's kind of like having to go to the bunny ranch because you can't find a woman anywhere else to give it to you.

It's a small penis syndrome.
dutch
http://coloradohuntandfish.blogspot.com
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-10 AT 11:19AM (MST)[p]Sounds to me like you're into the cheapest route, which is the cheapest, vasoline or hand lotion?
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-10 AT 11:23AM (MST)[p]Why would ANYONE care how someone chooses to spend their money? What a sad waste of computer time. Some of you guys need a shrink.

By the way, there are a lot of great reasons to visit a "Bunny Ranch", and not being able to find a woman is way down the list. Money dosen't have any thing to do with that either.
 
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>the cheapest route, which is
>the cheapest, vasoline or hand
>lotion?

I don't know you tell me?

Sounds like I touched a couple of high dollar hunting nerves....

I could care less how anyone spends their money-it's a free country. If you have to go out and spend $5,000 for an animal (or a woman) just so you can 'make the books' or get your little carrot wet than have at it.

By the way, have you ever watched that show, the bunny ranch? If you think those old used up chicks are something to be with than your obviously still a virgin. nasty. and if you think there's a lot of great reasons to go visit that place, you are the one that needs a shrink.
 
you left yourself wide open to that one!!"


that's funny, I heard the same thing about you. no wonder you don't need vasoline.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-10 AT 01:07PM (MST)[p]lmao.....that was the best you had? I'm just being a smart azz.... ;O)
 
Actually, what I was really wondering, is if we were going to have to come up with 2 new Boone & Crocket catagories 1) How much money the hunt cost 2) and how well endowed the hunter is!
With the World record getting a night at the bunny club!
 
Still seems like alot of jealousy and class envy driving this post.

Just remember, there are about 20-25 or so Governor's/auction elk tags sold or raffled every year in ten main western elk states (AZ, Colo, ID, Mont, Nev, NM, Ore, UT, WA and Wy). That would be a total of 200 to 250 or so Gov/auction type elk tags sold or raffled in the west in the last 10 years.

Here's a few facts that would seem to indicate the guys who pay the big $$$$ for these tags simply don't do all that well and aren't depleting our elk herds of 400+ bulls or depriving others of their chance to hunt and possibly kill their own big bull.

Of the top 50 non-typicals, a total of 24 or about 50% of them have been killed in the last 10 years. I recognize only 2 that were killed by Gov/auction tag hunters...both last year...the Spider bull and the Washington bull.

Of the top 50 typicals, a total of 19 or about 40% of them have been killed in the last 10 years. In looking at the names (and I don't profess to know all of their identities), there maybe 2 of them that were Gov/auction tag hunters.

Let's face it, the guys who pay the big money for these tags just haven't been that successful, even with the extra benefits they get over other hunters (extended seasons, any weapon, all units, etc)...so what's the problem and why the constant bashing of these folks who put thousands and thousands of $$ back into their state's elk management funds?
 
No bashing from me, as long as they keep it legal, something that hasn't always happened. Other than that good for the guys that spend the $'s!

Jazz
 
I'm always jealouse of the guy that gets to do more, or has more than me.

But I know quite a few guys that have money to throw around that hunt on their own. Just have the money to do it more often in more places. No different than some other guys I know that are lucky and just seem to draw tags in great places fairly regularly.

Keep in honest and they shouldnt be able to keep anyone out.

www.muleybulloutfitters.com
 
what about indians you going to give them a free pass? you going to let them hunt all night,day,year? LOL that was a joke!

the deer is what is recorded I could care less about $$$

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Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
>what about indians you going to
>give them a free pass?
>you going to let them
>hunt all night,day,year? LOL
>that was a joke!
>
>the deer is what is recorded
>I could care less about
>$$$
>
>
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>Archery is a year round commitment!!
>

a joke? well the funny thing is it's true! ha.
If you can afford a high dollar tag than great, like I said I don't care how you spend your money, this is America baby!

dutch
http://coloradohuntandfish.blogspot.com
 
Small Penis Syndrome?!Now that's a good one.That's why all of us hunt(according to the anti-hunting community).Someone above mentioned the reason people want the rules changed is so they have a better chance of winning.How true!!SPS is a good one,though.Basically,that's the reason people come up with when they can't come up with a valid one.
 

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