What's the deal with Winchester?

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montanamuley85

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I heard today that Winchester has gone t.u., but I have heard conflicting reports as to why. Somebody said it was from frivolous lawsuits, others said they just weren't able to compete with the other rifle companies. Either way, I am deeply saddended to see one of our major gunmakers and an American icon go under. The news sent me into a frenzy to locate a rifle that I have wanted for years, a model 70 featherweight...I lucked out and got the last one in the valley! Any thoughts?
 
Don't sweat it too much. I sure they will reopen in Japan or somewhere soon enough. But yeah i think they done in 08'.
 
I'm under the impression that it's only the lever action..? read this.....

Winchester Rifles to Be Discontinued
NEW HAVEN, Conn. - The traditional Winchester rifles carried by pioneers, movie stars and Wild West lawmen will be discontinued in March, a Belgian manufacturer said Wednesday, confirming the end of an American icon that became known as "The Gun that Won the West.

Once the U.S. Repeating Arms plant closes March 31, the only new rifles carrying the famous Winchester name will be the modern, high-end models produced in Belgium, Japan and Portugal. The older models, including the famous Winchester Model 94, will be scrapped.

"The name will continue, but not with those traditional products," said Robert Sauvage, a spokesman for the Herstal Group, the Belgian company that owns U.S. Repeating Arms and the right to the Winchester name.

Herstal announced Tuesday that the U.S. Repeating Arms factory in New Haven would soon close, capping 140 years of Winchester manufacturing in the city.
"Economically speaking, we cannot continue. We have lost a lot of money," Savage said.

More than 19,000 Winchester employees worked in New Haven during World War II, but after years of a softening firearms market, the plant now employs fewer than 200. All will lose their jobs when the plant closes.

Officials and union leaders said they hoped someone would buy the plant and continue building the traditional rifles, but the Winchester name wouldn't necessarily come with the factory. Such an arrangement would need to be worked out separately.
Missouri-based Olin Corp. owns the Winchester brand name. In the late 1970s, after a massive strike by its machinists, Olin sold the plant to U.S. Repeating Arms along with the right to use the Winchester name until next year.

Sauvage said the Herstal Group wants to extend that right past 2007 but Olin has not decided whether to allow it. Spokeswoman Ann Pipkin said Olin is disappointed with Herstal's decision to close the plant and may sell the Winchester naming rights to someone else.

"The legendary Winchester name, we want it to be on a great-quality firearm," she said.

The Winchester model 1873 lever action rifle, popular among American frontiersmen at the end of the 19th century for its reliability, inspired the 1950 James Stewart film "Winchester '73."

John Wayne made the Winchester a signature of his movies and Chuck Connors posed menacingly with his Winchester on advertisements for the television series "The Rifleman."
President Teddy Roosevelt was also a Winchester devotee, using the 1895 model on his famous 1909 African safari, which historians credited with boosting the sale of Winchester sporting rifles.

While collectors were drawn to Winchester's many commemorative or special-edition rifles, sportsmen often still hunt with rifles that are generations old, a longevity that historian R.L. Wilson said became both the hallmark of the Winchester brand and part of its demise.

"It's not unusual in my work, I'll talk to someone, they'll say, 'I've got my rifle that belonged to my grandfather. I'm still using it,'" Wilson said. "These things get recycled as long as you keep a gun clean and you look after it."

Sauvage said Herstal is proud to have manufactured Winchester rifles for so long. He said he thinks customers will continue buying the new line of weapons, which can be produced quickly and for less money, because Belgium, like America, has a reputation for quality manufacturing.
Others say it won't be the same.

"It would be like Chevrolet going out of business or Chevrolet being made in Japan or China," firearms historian Ned Schwing said. "Winchester is an American legend, whether you're a gun person or not."
 
I have to say that I'm not bothered by this news, I paid $620.00 for a Mdl 70 7-WSM, 2 years ago and I was not impresed with it so I went back to the Rem 700 a much better gun with outta the box acuracy......
 
Ditto---haven't heard a whole lot of positives about their quality control recently...

WOOOO-HOO! WATCH THOSE GUN VALUES JUMP! THEM PRE-64'S ARE GONNA BE WORTH EVEN MORE!
 
As a Winchester fan, this defintely hurts. Though I don't own any of their new guns I was trying to decide between the Rem 700 Mountain and the Win 70 featherweight. I decided on the Win (all my other rifles are Rem) and they jumped the prices on me! There not as scarce as you'd think but most places are upping the prices.
 
Winchester IMO was the gun that tamed the west, when old timers tell tales of hunts before the 60's they most often made reference to their lever-action (Winchester)
Winchester is part of our heritage, I'm sad they are now history.
 
An old timer, once told me that Colt & Winchester made an agreement way back when that Winchester would not make pistols & Colt would not make rifles.
 
I have hunted with pre-64 model 70 Winchesters since, ironically, 1964. They have always been good, accurate, reliable rifles. However, my experience with model 70s of recent manufacture hasn't been good. As an example, I bought a model 70 Super Express 375 H&H. The stock looked like it was fake. The gun was innaccurate. It would not feed from the magazine consistently. I spoke to Winchester customer service and encountered people with attitude problems. I sent the gun to them and it came back unchanged. I sold the thing at a loss and swore off new Winchester products. I continue to use my pre-64s without problems. I would like to see someone pick up the Winchester name and build a QUALITY product. I believe they could sell their rifles for a premium if they did. So while I hate to see it happen, it isn't entirely undeserved, unfortunately.
 
>I have hunted with pre-64 model
>70 Winchesters since, ironically, 1964.
>They have always been good,
>accurate, reliable rifles. However,
>my experience with model 70s
>of recent manufacture hasn't been
>good. As an example,
> I bought a model
>70 Super Express 375 H&H.
>The stock looked like it
>was fake. The gun
>was innaccurate. It would not
>feed from the magazine consistently.
> I spoke to Winchester
>customer service and encountered people
>with attitude problems. I
>sent the gun to them
>and it came back unchanged.
> I sold the thing
>at a loss and swore
>off new Winchester products.
>I continue to use my
>pre-64s without problems. I would
>like to see someone pick
>up the Winchester name and
>build a QUALITY product.
>I believe they could sell
>their rifles for a premium
>if they did. So
>while I hate to see
>it happen, it isn't entirely
>undeserved, unfortunately.


I couldn't agree more...thanks
 
I admit being biased. My most prized possession is a Classic featherweight in .300WSM. I just think it sucks for an American icon the likes of Winchester to pass. All the realities of business aside, the Jamison suit, the union concessions, etc. it won't be the same to pick up a model 70 with made in Japan/Belgium on it.
 
>I admit being biased. My
>most prized possession is a
>Classic featherweight in .300WSM. I
>just think it sucks for
>an American icon the likes
>of Winchester to pass.
>All the realities of business
>aside, the Jamison suit, the
>union concessions, etc. it won't
>be the same to pick
>up a model 70 with
>made in Japan/Belgium on it.
>


I'm a fan of the short mags for sure, just the winchester acuracy really sucked, and it was a heavy barreled rifle.
 

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