CWMU's for Elk

Wasatch

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With the application period for Utah approaching, I was just looking for feedback, experiences and opinions from others out there who have hunted CWMU's in Utah for bull elk that might help me make a more educated decision...

I am wondering specifically about the Grass Valley/Clark Canyon CWMU and Weber Florence Creek...I have enough points to draw either tag but am wondering why the satisfaction rating for elk on the DWR CWMU websites for these 2 units is pretty low and the odds show that these units are relatively easy to draw. Why? Is it the quality of the hunt? Is it the lack of quality critters? Is it the management? What has anyone out there experienced on these units? Is it worth burning 6 points for either of these tags? Why or why not?
 
I have been on F/W a couple times with family memeber that has drawn bull moose, bull elk and I have hunted bucks.

Steve and Garrett are stand up guys.

We had good hunts and hunt dates.

Robb
 
I know a guy that drew an elk tag for Weber/Florence a few years back and got screwed over big time. They wouldn't let him go where the paying clients were going and he had a little hillside to hunt with sheep all over it. It was a terrible hunt and The Woolstenhulme boys got a kick out of screwing over the public guy.
I called this CWMU last year and asked questions about the hunts. The guy on the phone (Steve I think) was really helpful until I told him I had enough points to draw a deer tag. Once he found out I wanted to DRAW a tag, he was very rude and actually hung up on me.

I wouldn't waste my points on a CWMU like that. I would however consider Skull Crack, they have some good elk numbers and some nice guys.
 
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Think I'd rather wait than get screwed over. That sore will fester for a long time and you go to jail for getting even.
 
Thanks guys! so it doesn't sound like either unit is unpopular due to quality, but rather the opportunity provided by the property managers and/or a horrible experience.

For those of you who have hunted either unit and had a good experience what size or quality of bull is to be expected?

I agree though that to risk any number of points on a piss poor hunt would suck! That's why I'm curious what kind of experience others out there have had.

Anyone know anything about Old Woman Plateau?
 
Wasatch--

I'm sorry to chime in here but I wouldn't take the advice of one HJB for any information on any hunt on a CWMU, he is so full of hearsay and my friend this and my friend that and never has anything good to say about any CWMUs that I would question his motives let alone his advice. Ask him for his friends name and phone no and then talk to the friend directly.

Indecently, the UDWR has posted the satisfaction rating for all CWMUs which BTW average higher on average then ALL the other limited entry units combined. The web page provides you a list of ALL opportunitys you can expect from hunting a particular CWMU, dates you can hunt, areas closed to hunting (if there are any), and all their rules. Be sure to check out this data. Additionally, ask the UDWR for folks who have had these tags in the past, call the operator and talk to them. Lots of hearsay and BS from a few who who know of a few who know of a few who have had so call bad experiences.

Now for my opinion---CWMUs or LE units for that matter that take few or little points to draw are that for a reason. Whether that is due to quality of animals, quality of experience, or because of private land is for you to figure out.

Todd Black
BTO
 
Hit the PM button on my profile Wasatch and I will give you all the info want on "My Friends" and "thier" CWMU experiences. I have had good and bad experiences with the CWMU program and the last thing I'm going to do is lie about what I have encountered and heard first hand from people.
Blanding Boy is the web master for the CWMU program and the last thing he wants is the public to think that CWMUs are bad. He wants you to think that it is the best program in the world and nobody has ever had a bad experience on them. He is wrong! I can tell you that many CWMU operators are great guys and willing to accomodate you in any way. But unfortunatley there are also a bunch of money hungry bassturds that don't think you deserve to hunt the property for $45 while everybody else pays $5,000-$10,000. I'm not trying to keep you away from CWMUs at all. I just want to make sure that everyone is warned before the put in for a dream hunt that may turn out to be a nightmare.
Good Luck with your decision.
HJB
 
Just FYI here is a list of comments from Public hunters that have drawn a tag. These are both good and bad comments (If you can see any of the good ones). This should tell you a little about how people feel about CWMU and the experience the had.

This was taken straight from the CWMU website.

Comments from Public Draw Hunters

WINTER MODE ACCESSABILITY. DON'T LIKE BEING SHOT OVER AND
COMPETETIVENESS.
2 DAYS MAXIMUM - TOO MANY OTHER GROUPS STILL LEFT TO HUNT. LESS
GAME SEEN.
25 TO 30 HUNTERS ON 1 ROAD WITHOUT ANY ELK AND THE OPERATOR
(TERRY THATCHER) MADE IT CLEAR UP FRONT HE DIDN'T WANT ANY ELK
HARVESTED.
COULD NOT HUNT CERTAIN AREAS.
CWMU OPERATER DID NOT WANT TO WORK WITH DATES FOR HUNT, WAS
MORE CONCERNED WITH HUNTERS THAT PAID THE FULL PRICE FOR HUNT.
CHANGED DATES OF OUR HUNT TWICE. VERY HOSTILE TO US.
DID NOT SEE ANY TROPHY BUCKS.
DIDNT FIND OUT WHEN THE HUNT WAS UNTIL A WEEK BEFORE THE
SEASON. I CALLED AND THEY WOULDN'T TELL. ALSO, THE MAPS WERE
POORLY WRITTEN. NO SCOUTING AVAILABLE. I FELT IN THE DARK.
DIDNT SEE ANIMALS DESIRED TO HARVEST.
DIDNT SEE ANY GAME.
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DISSATISFIED WITH NOT BEING ALLOWED TO TAKE MY ATV ON THE
PROPERTY. RIDING AN ATV WOULD HAVE MADE THE HUNT MORE
ENJOYABLE.
DISTANCE TO REDD RANCHES.
FEW ANIMALS LOTS OF HUNTERS SEEN ALL AROUND.
GOODS AND SERVICES TOO FAR AWAY FOR CONVIENENCE.
HARD TO GET AT HEAVY SNOW MAYBE A FLUKE.
HAVE HUNTED OTHER CWMUS IN THE PAST. NONE ALLOWED ADEQUATE
TIME TO SCOUT AREA PRIOR TO HUNT. NO ANTLERLESS HUNTERS WERE
ALLOWED ON PROPERTIES UNTIL AFTER BULL HUNTS.
HEAVY SNOWS LIMITED ACCESS. WOULD HAVE LIKED TO START EARLIER
IN SEASON. GATES WERE OFTEN LOCKED.
HUNT COULD HAVE HAPPENED A WEEK OR TWO LATER FOR COOLER
WEATHER TIMIMG. MAY HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY OTHER HUNTS.
HUNT WAS LATE ENOUGH ANIMALS WERE NO LONGER THERE.
I DREW OUT & HAD TO WALK ON EGGSHELLS AROUND HUNTERS WHO
PURCHASED A GUIDED HUNT FROM THE CWMU. THEY TOOK PRIORITY ON
DAYS AND AREAS. I FELT LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN TO THE GUIDE
SERVICE (NO THE CWMU OWNERS).
I ENJOYED THE HUNT.
I FEEL THE TIME AND WEATHER WERE WRONG. THE ANIMALS WERE NOT
AVAILABLE TO SEE OR HUNT AT THAT TIME.
I HAD A GREAT TIME.
I HAD TO GET AHOLD OF CWMU OPERATOR MYSELF AND HAD A HARD
TIME DOING SO.
I SAW ONE BIGGER BULL EARLY IN THE HUNT FIRST HOUR OF FIRST DAY
BUT COULD NOT FIND HIM AGAIN. HARVESTED BULL LAST HOUR OF LAST
DAY. I WANTED MORE TIME. EARLY SEPTEMBER WAS VERY HOT. I
SHOULD HAVE WENT IN OCTOBER.
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I WAS EXPECTING TO SEE AT LEAST A GOOD 4X4. THE BEST ANIMAL I SAW
WAS A 26" 3 X 3. ALSO GETTING A HOLD OF THE OPERATOR WAS
DIFFICULT.
I WAS MOST DISAPPOINTED WITH THE SIZE OF THE BUCKS & THE AMOUNT
OF SO CALLED SHOOTERS.
I WAS NEVER NOTIFIED BY CWMU OPERATOR THROUGH MAIL OR PHONE.
HUNTING BUDDIES WERE ALL NOTIFIED BY SOME WAY.
I WAS VERY UNHAPPY WITH DATES AVAILABLE. CWMU OPERATOR WAS
MORE CONCERNED WITH HUNTERS THAT PAID THE NON-PUBLIC PRICE.
HAD TO WORK AROUND DATES I DIDN'T WANT. CWMU OPERATER NOT
FLEXIBLE WITH DATES TO HUNT.
IN EIGHT HOURS OF HUNTING WE SAW ONLY ONE BUCK AND SHOT IT.
INFO GIVEN BY OPERATOR ON ANIMAL LOCATION WAS VERY INACURATE.
OPERATOR DIDN'T SHOW DURING THE HUNT DATES.
IS A POOR WAY TO CONTROL THE SIZE OF THE DEER POPULATION.
IT WAS A JOKE! TOO MANY GUYS ON ONE ROAD WITH NO OTHER ACCESS.
OPERATOR DIDN'T HELP AT ALL.
IT WAS CRAZY TO HAVE TO TRAVEL TO SALT LAKE TO SHOOT TO SEE IF
YOU CAN HUNT ON THE GROUND. THEY SHOULD ALLOW YOU TO SHOOT
AT OTHER UDWR RANGES TO GET YOUR SCORE. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME
AND MONEY.
IT WAS MORE AKIN TO HERDING THAN HUNTING.
IT WAS TOO EASY TO KILL AN ANIMAL. IT WAS LIKE SHOPPING FOR A
DEER IN A CATALOG FROM INSIDE A TRUCK.
JUST VERY FEW AMIMALS-ANTLERLESS ELK.
LANDOWNER NOT HELPFUL BY ANY MEANING.
LATE HUNT SNOW PUSHED ANIMALS OUT. SOME CWMU HUNTERS
ALLOWED IN EARLIER, MOVED HERD OUT OF CWMU BOUNDARIES.
LIED TO AND LED ASTRAY.
MANY LOCKED GATES MADE ACCESS TO SOME AREAS NOT PRACTICAL.
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NEED MORE TIME. NOT MANY ANIMALS.
NEVER SAW A TROPHY ANIMAL EVER & VERY FEW ANIMALS IN GENERAL.
NO ANIMALS IN 3 DAYS OF HUNTING ALSO TALKED TO OTHER HUNTERS
ALL WITH THE SAME RESULTS. DIDN'T EXPECT SHEEP TO HAVE EATEN
EVERYTHING AND STILL BE IN THE AREA.
NO ANIMALS SEEN AT ALL.
NO ANIMALS SEEN IN TWO DAYS. THEY HAD TOO MUCH PRESSURE
BEFORE.
NO ANIMALS SEEN SAME I THINK & SHOULD BE LONGER BUT LOT OF
MONEY FOR NO ANIMALS.
NO GAME.
NO HELP OR ANIMALS.
NO HUNTING PRESSURE. LARGE AMOUNT OF ANIMALS. PLEASANT CWMU
PERSONNEL
NO SUPPORT PROVIDED BY CWMU OPERATOR DESPITE MY GOING OUT OF
THE WAY FOR INFORMATION AND TRYING TO SET UP A GUIDE (FELL
THROUGH ON 3 OCCASIONS BECAUSE THE GUIDE NEVER SHOWED UP). WE
NEVER SAW ANY ANIMALS PROBABLY DUE TO INCREASED HUNTING
PRESSURE AND UNFAMILIARITY WITH THE LAND.
NO TROPHIES WERE SEEN.
NOT ALLOWED TO HUNT THE AREAS WE WANTED I FEEL THIS RESULTED
IN NOT SEEING THE NUMBER OR QUALITY OF GAME THAT I KNOW ARE
AVAILABLE ON THIS PROPERTY.
NOT ENOUGH AREA OPEN TO HUNT. TOO MUCH PRIVATE GROUND.
NOT ENOUGH DEER.
NOT ENOUGH TIME TO SCOUT BEFORE HUNT.
NOT MANY BULL MOOSE DIDNT GET TO HUNT DURING ARCHERY ONLY
SEEN ONE BULL ON THE PROPERTY.
NOT MANY DEER AS OTHER YEARS! THIS CWMU IS OVER HUNTED FOR
DOES.
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NOT ONE ELK ON THE UNIT-COW CALF OR BULL.
NOT TOO MANY TROPHY ANIMALS.
ONE WEEK IS NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR AN AREA SOMEWHAT NEW TO ME.
ONLY SAW 1 ELK.
OPERATOR ALLOWS PUBLIC DRAW HUNTERS 10 DAYS AND THOSE THAT
BUY PERMITS THREE MONTHS.
OPERATOR GAVE BOGUS INFO. WOULD NOT MEET ME TO SHOW AREA.
OUT-RIGHT TOLD ME HE DIDN'T WANT ANY COWS TAKEN OFF UNIT.
WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.
OTHER THAN MAPS OF UNIT PROVIDED, NO ONE WAS REALLY TALKATIVE
ABOUT THE UNIT OR WHAT THEY HAD SEEN AS FAR AS DEER WAS
CONCERNED. I WAS SOMEWHAT SURPRISED TO SEE AS MANY HUNTERS AS
I DID. LOCAL GOODS AND SERVICES WAS NOT AVAILABLE IN WOODRUFF.
PUBLIC HUNTERS SEEM SOMETIMES TO GET THE LEFTOVERS AFTER THE
RUT AND THE HIGH DOLLAR HUNTERS HAVE HAD THEIR PICK. ALTHOUGH
I UNDERSTAND THE OPERATORS MOTIVES FOR SUCH, IT CAN BE
SOMEWHAT FRUSTRATING.
SHORT SEASON FOR WINTERING ELK AREA. ACCESS NOT FOR WHOLE
RANCH, FEW ELK IN AREA, ALL HUNTERS TOGETHER. PUBLIC HUNTERS
LAST TO HUNT.
SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HUNT SAME AMOUNT OF TIME AS REGULAR
HUNT.
SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN MORE THAN 3 DAYS TO HARVEST.
SMALL TOWN & DIDNT HAVE ALL ITEMS DESIRED.
THE BUCKS THAT WERE FINALLY SEEN WERE SMALL TO AVERAGE AND
FEW IN NUMBER.
THE LANDOWNER WAS NOT HELPFUL ON WHEN OR WHERE TO HUNT I
HAD TO CALL HIM. I FINALLY GOT TO GO, DID NOT SEE ANYTHING. HE
SAID HE WOULD CALL ME WHEN THEY CAME DOWN. HE NEVER DID. I HAD
TO CALL AGAIN HE SAID I ONLY HAD ONE DAY LEFT BECAUSE STATE WAS
CLOSING IT. NEVER GOT TO GO AGAIN. I WAS DISSATISFIED.
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THE SNOW KILLED MY HUNT. THERE WERE ALSO SOME SNOWMOBILERS
THAT WERE ON OTHER PROPERTY THAT WEREN'T HELPING EITHER!
THERE WERE WAY TO MANY HUNTERS ON THE RANCH
THIS OPERATOR WAS RUDE GATES WERE LOCKED & NO WAY TO GET
THROUGH THEM. DEER POPULATION WAS LOW. SAW SEVERAL PEOPLE IN
THE CWMU THAT DID NOT HAVE PERMITS. IT WAS A JOKE!
TIME OF HUNT - ANIMALS NOT IN CWMU AREA.
TOO SMALL OF AN HUNTING SPOT.
TOO EARLY, WATHER TOO WARM. RATHER THAN ONE WEEK, SEVERAL
SHOULD BE ALLOWED.
TOO MUCH SNOW LATE IN THE HUNT.
TOO WARM - WAIT A FEW WEEKS UNTIL WEATHER COOLS.
TWO FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS IS NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR THE MONEY
PAID FOR THE TAG.
UTAH'S VERY DRY IN THE AREA AND BELIEVED SOME DRY CONDITIONS
PLAYED ROLE IN THE LITTLE AMOUNT OF TROPHY QUALITY BUCKS.
WAS NOT ALLOWED ENOUGH TIME.
WASNT LET ONTO THE RANCH UNTIL SNOW WAS MUCH TOO DEEP.
WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE IN ONE SMALL SPACE & NOT ONE LEGAL ANIMAL
ON THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. THE OPERATOR WAS UNFRIENDLY, NONHELPFUL,
AND HE DIDN'T CARE THAT THE HUNT WAS A TOTAL FARSE.
WE HAD A GROUP OF 5 PERMITS BUT WERE UNABLE TO ALL HUNT
TOGETHER. I DIDN'T GET TO FILL TAGS.
WE WANTED TO HUNT LATE. WE WERE TOLD NO.
WE WERE ONLY ALLOWDED TO DRIVE ONTO PROPERTY SO MY DAUGHTER
& I COULD SLAUGHTER DOES. WE WENT LATER BUT SNOWS WERE TOO
DEEP.
WERE NOT GIVEN MANY OPTIONS ON WHAT DAYS I COULD HUNT.
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WHEN I QUALIFIED BY SHOOTING MY RIFLE I WAS TOLD I HAD PICK OF
DAY FOR SHOOTING A 1 INCH GROUP WITH RIFLE BUT THAT DID NOT
WORK OUT THAT WAY. I WAS PLACED AT THE SOONEST DATE WHICH WAS
OCTOBER 22, RIGHT WHEN DESERET HAD SO MANY DEER HUNTERS IN
THERE NO ELK WERE TO BE FOUND (WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY). THEY
SHOULD NOT TELL PEOPLE THEY HAVE FIRST PICK OF DAYS WHEN THEY
CANNOT OFFER PRIME TIME TO HUNT COW ELK.
WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HUNTED EARLIER. HEAVY SNOWS LIMITED
ACCESS-AND ABILITY TO RETRIEVE ANIMAL WAS QUITE DIFFICULT
 
Damn HJB.....

I pray I never piss you off!!

I have had real good experiences with Steve and Garett on Weber/Florence......

Robb
 
HJB, You should change your name to the "CWMU Odds Improver"!

Keep it up and I may be able to draw the Alton with my 3 bonus points this year for deer.

;-)

I haven't had any experience with the CWMUs listed, but have had an overall great experience with the other CWMUs that friends and family have drawn and hunted.

CS

"Helping turn good tags, into great ones." - www.vipoptics.com
 
I hunt 10K acres of private land our family owns in Chalk Creek which is right between the 2 above mentioned cwmus. I have hunted it all my life and taken a bull every year but 1 of the last 16 years. (BTW-That year I was hunting archery) Several of these bulls have been 6 points, the biggest went about 290. I have spent so much time up there over the years on that mtn hunting, scouting and just camping and I can honestly tell you I have NEVER even seen a bull that would break 320, and only a handfull that would break 300. If you want a small 6 or raghorn, this would be a good tag and IMO, the draw odds are just about right. The bulls in Chalk Creek just dont get a chance to reach their potential. From everything I have heard and witnessed, both of these cwmus are fair with all their hunters. Of the 2, I would give the nod to Grass Valley. Daniel Richens is really doing a nice job up there.
Best of luck with your decision
 
I think the biggest problem for that whole CWMU area and the non CWMU private ground up there is that no matter where a bull goes he is going to get shot.

They never have a chance to live past 3-4 years old before some one shoots them.

Jump a fence to 'safety' and bammmmmmmm someone on that property shoots it!

Robb
 
I just want people to be warned. There are some shady operations out there. But like I said before I know of some good ones as well.
 
LMAO at that list of complaints...goes to show how incapable people are..they would blame an operator if they got a blister on their foot during their hunt.

I live in between two CWMU's, I'm not the operator, but get asked about them every year from guys that draw the tag.most of them know nothing of the unit, never talked to the operator b4 applying...but by god they are entitled to red carpet treatment!

so I guess I take that list FWIW = not much.
 
>LMAO at that list of complaints...goes
>to show how incapable people
>are..they would blame an operator
>if they got a blister
>on their foot during their
>hunt.
>
>I live in between two CWMU's,
>I'm not the operator, but
>get asked about them every
>year from guys that draw
>the tag.most of them know
>nothing of the unit, never
>talked to the operator b4
>applying...but by god they are
>entitled to red carpet treatment!
>
>
>so I guess I take that
>list FWIW = not much.
>


Exactly, I wonder how accountable these people are with the rest of their lives. Blanding Boy is a little bit more than a web master.............
 
Secretary, Treasurer, Webmaster, ect
It's all the same to me.

I couldn't care less what you guys think about the comments or my advice. Sure there are plenty of idiots that apply blindly and end up getting screwed over. Is it thier fault? Yes, it probably is thier fault for not doing all the research. I will tell you however that there are also many guys that think they know exactly what they are doing and when the hunt starts, the operator decides to change his mind. Believe it or not people out there like money, and many of them don't like giving free rides. Some of these operators despise the fact that they have to give away a free tag or two.
I can see that this post is going nowhere and that my statements are not being taken seriously. I would encourage everyone to do as much research as possible before applying and talk to as many people as you can that have actually hunted the property.
If "Wasatch" wants to put in for this hunt, that's fine with me. I just want to make sure everyone is warned and that they will be at the mercy of the operator for "thier" dream hunt.
I am not "Anti-CWMU", I actually put in for a CWMU every year for deer and I also hunt cow elk every year on a CWMU. I know the operators well and they know me, and I trust that the hunts will go the right way. But, be aware that all CWMUs are not the same and many operators are not going to be your best friend when you draw a tag. Just be careful is all I ask.
 
HJB, for what its worth, I appreciate every comment you have made. Good, bad or otherwise. I asked the initial question because I really want to know what exactly I can expect in both dealing with the owners and the quality of elk on the units. So thank you for what you have said. Learning as much as I can and discovering both the good and bad attributes of a CWMU will definately help me in making a well informed and educuated decision.

Thank you to all who have responded!
 
No Problem, I know I came off as a jerk but I was just trying to give you all the info I had. Blanding Boy and I go back and forth quite a bit on a few different forums. I don't really get upset, I just like trying to work it all out and I know he has the power to train these operators and get things working in our favor. Todd (Blanding Boy) has actually done a really good job with updating all of the CWMU info on the DWR webpage. That will help the public guys a lot in applying for a tag. I hope in the future we can get all Hunters/Landowners on the same page with the same goal in mind. Afterall the animals belong to ALL of us, not just one party. It's just sad to see the mind set and attitude of some of these operators. I guess in all reality, you will never change someones attitude toward others.
 
HJB--

You said---"I guess in all reality, you will never change someones attitude toward others." In my opinion you paint a pretty good picture of that statement. I fully agree with you and have always said there are some bad apples in the program--no question and i think you and i could agree upon one of them every day at breakfast. What i'm trying to point out is that folks need to do their own research. You mentioned 2 CWMUs that i could show you a picture or 2 or email or 2 about folks who have had the opposite experience.

Years ago when we when surveyed public hunters, THE major variable that contributed to them being satisfied was harvesting an animal. Nothing else mattered how they were treated, how many days they hunted it was all about the kill.

People (the public) need to realize that many of the CWMUs are really no different then having a general season permit. Most are not managed for trophy potential or even a 100% kill. However, i will state again that our (current) satisfaction index is higher then all of the other LE units combined so i would think its safe to say that on average we are doing a good job. Again, no question the program is not a perfect program but it is a good one and i think we all could agree that any CWMU is better then 500 cabin lots.


Todd Black
BTO
 
Good Point.

The CWMU sastisfaction is higher than that of a LE hunt? That's pretty surprizing. I would hunt Pahvant, Sanjuan, Dutton, Monroe, Wasatch, Manti, Boulder, Beaver, Fishlake, or SW Desert anyday over a CWMU.
 
i like the one that says
"IT WAS TOO EASY TO KILL AN ANIMAL. IT WAS LIKE SHOPPING FOR A
DEER IN A CATALOG FROM INSIDE A TRUCK."


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>Good Point.
>
>The CWMU sastisfaction is higher than
>that of a LE hunt?
>That's pretty surprizing. I would
>hunt Pahvant, Sanjuan, Dutton, Monroe,
>Wasatch, Manti, Boulder, Beaver, Fishlake,
>or SW Desert anyday over
>a CWMU.

But if you had a chance to hunt a CWMU on any of those LE's you just mentioned, i'm sure you'd change your mind ;-)


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Hmmmmmm... I don't know about that one. I get more satisfaction havesting animals on public land. And some of those units you can harvest a 360 bull fairly easy on the public part. And a lot of guys do much better than that. Plus you get more than 5 days to hunt and you get many thousands of acres to hunt on with nobody telling you what to do.
Now if you were comparing the Cache LE Units to DLL, than that's a different story.
 
You may not have anyone "telling you what to do" on public land, but all those hundreds of other hunters and their helpers will certainly dictate what you'll do ;-)

Thanks to Utah and this very successful program, we have choices.
Some people choose to hunt public land for 9 days, others choose to hunt in solitaire for 5 on the private :)










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I dare say you get more satisfaction killing animals on public ground because you dont have acess to private. And if you had a chance to hunt private you would in a heart beat, and if you killed a big animal on private you would get just as much satisfaction. To say a 180 class buck is more of a trophy because it was shot on public is like saying "I smoke, but I dont inhale."
And yes im speaking from both sides of the fence. I hunt both, I have killed on both, my biggest deer was shot on public but that does not make it more of a deer or I had to hunt harder to kill it just because it was on open ground
 
Or, you could be like the 2 dipchits that hunted the CWMU we have tags on. Wife has the tag and the 2 guys in the truck (1 driving and the other riding shotgun) jump out of the truck (this is witnessed by the way) and they both start blazing away at a herd of elk. The girl who has the tag doesn't even have a gun in hand. Who knows how many they hit. The landowner didn't see an elk go down but who knows how many got hit. So . . .for those of you that have an operator run a tighter ship than usual, ask him why. I bet it's thanks to jackasses like this. For every bad CWMU operator there are 20 not so ethical hunters out there hunting them.

It's always an adventure!!!
www.awholelottabull.com
 
>I dare say you get more
>satisfaction killing animals on public
>ground because you dont have
>acess to private. And if
>you had a chance to
>hunt private you would in
>a heart beat, and if
>you killed a big animal
>on private you would get
>just as much satisfaction.
> To say
>a 180 class buck is
>more of a trophy because
>it was shot on public
>is like saying "I smoke,
>but I dont inhale."
> And
>yes im speaking from both
>sides of the fence.
> I hunt both, I
>have killed on both, my
>biggest deer was shot on
>public but that does not
>make it more of a
>deer or I had to
>hunt harder to kill it
>just because it was on
>open ground

I have also hunted both and I was very satisfied with my experience on private. But when it all comes down to it, I don't want people looking at my trophy and saying "Oh, it was on PRIVATE property". Or if I ever make Eastmans magazine, I don't a big header saying "Private land hunt" at the bottom. And honestly it is very satisfying to shoot something on land that is used by everyone and available to every hunter in the world. The animals are more educated and it makes for a tough but rewarding hunt. Not saying I wouldn't hunt private if I had the chance again. But I think it's every hunters goal to shoot a trophy on public land. I know I have a much greater respect for those that have accomplished the feat. Just my opinion.
 
Don't kid yourself, Eastmans hunt private land all the time...FACT.









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Great Point Jim!!!! I have hunted many CWMU's in Utah. Most all experiences have been good. I really think the experience is 50/50. You must make it a good experience and the operator has to be a an ethical person who cares about all hunters on their property. There are so many factors in hunting that can change things that we cant control, however if the two parties take care of the controlling factors, regardless of of a harvest or not you should have a good hunt. Im just upset with the way hunting has gone the direction of killing instead of hunting. We do call it hunting for a reason right?
curtis wilson
monarchtaxidermy.com
 
Heck, Eastmans hunt more private land then they do public. They dont care where the animal was shot they just want it in there mag and in there video.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-15-10 AT 11:35AM (MST)[p]I was referring to the Magazine, not the actual family. When I read all the stories in there, I look for "public land DIY" hunts, not "Guided Private land" hunts. I don't care what the Eastmans do. I'm just saying that in my opinion it's a lot more satisfying to look up on the wall at your trophy and think that anyone in the world could have shot that buck, but you were the one that out smarted him and harvested him. That's my dream and my goal, and I don't care what anybody thinks about it.
A guy with lots of money can shoot trophy animals all the time. But, put him on a general public land hunt and see what happens. I would be willing to bet he would curl up in the fetal position and cry for daddy Doyle. Hunting hard, getting disappointed, and dealing with competition and pressure is what makes the hunt "A HUNT".
 
I would have a real hard time burning my Elk points on a CWMU. Unless I knew the operator personally. I have spoke to way to many people that have had bad experiences on CWMU's Elk hunting. I know these individuals personally, they would not lie to me. I dont like being told when I can hunt, where I can hunt, and how long I can hunt. I would rather wait to draw the tag I wanted on public land, rather than chanceing a bad experience on a CWMU.
 
Just an observation WORKNMAN but if you don't like being told when to hunt, where to hunt and how long you can hunt then you must not hunt. That sounds like a proclamation to me. Funny thing is, now that the 5 day dear season is on you have just as many days to hunt as the CWMU hunters that pay big bucks. WOOHOO lucky you.

It's always an adventure!!!
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um Jim, its deer not dear, not sure what you were thinking if your wife was looking over your shoulder or what..

>Todd Black
BTO
 
>um Jim, its deer not dear,
>not sure what you were
>thinking if your wife was
>looking over your shoulder or
>what..
>
>>Todd Black
>BTO


Lol....Jim's obviously still in full rut ;-)

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I have looked into a few CWMU's and I have to say they do have a lot of rules. Some of the most common that I didn't like were

1. no horses

2. no ATV except to retrieve game

3. one person can come with you

4. no scouting

But people make rules because people are disrespectful. When I was talking to one operator on the phone he said "Follow me out the gate!" Then he apologizes to me on the phone and said " I had some cow elk hunters decide to start shooting pine hens when they were done hunting cow elk."

Facts are facts and the numbers don't lie. Try to draw a Deseret tag or Little Red Creek and you will soon realize how hard that is to do. Theres a reason that many people are putting in for those private land hunts and a reason why it only takes 3 points to draw other CWMUs. Do your research.
 
I can tell you HJB knows what he's talking about regarding the Weber Florence Creek CWMU. I would strongly advise staying away from those guys.
 
>Just an observation WORKNMAN but if
>you don't like being told
>when to hunt, where to
>hunt and how long you
>can hunt then you must
>not hunt. That sounds
>like a proclamation to me.
> Funny thing is, now
>that the 5 day dear
>season is on you have
>just as many days to
>hunt as the CWMU hunters
>that pay big bucks.
>WOOHOO lucky you.
>
>It's always an adventure!!!
>www.awholelottabull.com
Jim Hiatt,I would rather hunt 9 days on a limited-entry elk unit, than 3-5 days on a CWMU. I'm not crazy about trusting my bonus points to someone I dont know personally. If you want to hunt a CWMU with your bonus points then go ahead.WOOHOO lucky you!!! You can count on one hand the CWMU operators that treat the state hunter the same as a paid hunter. And if you could read, this discussion is about Elk hunting CWMU's not the general deer hunt. I wouldnt waste my time and money to hunt the Utah general season deer hunt right now.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-25-10 AT 01:20AM (MST)[p]Well then Nathan Adams, I appreciate you putting me in my place and I will keep your advice in mind in the future. Oh, and my middle name is Reid so the next time you get all official and proper on me you can do it right. LOL. Really though, didn't mean to ruffle any feathers but the full name thing got a chuckle.

It's always an adventure!!!
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My last supervisor's wife drew Weber Florence Creek I believe two years ago. I e-mailed him and asked how was the hunt. He said his wife shot a spike, hunted on what they felt was poor ground. Didn't see much. And knew two other hunters personally that Elk hunted WFC they didnt even tag out. (FYI)
 

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