need help with elk score

muleymaddness · Jan 21, 2010

I need some help with a score on an elk shed. I've seen lots of bulls posted here with their respective score, but haven't ever scored one myself. The measurements I took are:

main beam - 48

length of the rest of the tines - 16, 16, 16, 22, 14, 9

I didn't take any mass measurements, but he had really good mass. What would be a good guess on a score of this bull? It is a beutiful shed and what I really like about it the most is the mass. The only story or background I have on this is that we had someone give this to us. Thanks for your help.

kilowatt · Jan 21, 2010

http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRec....asp?area=bgRecords&type=Typical+American+Elk

Brian

REDDOG · Jan 21, 2010

A 7 point?

WapitiBob · Jan 21, 2010

>A 7 point?

I'm betting on a 6X

REDDOG · Jan 21, 2010

TagLine · Jan 21, 2010

I am far from being an expert here, but considering your measurements I am assuming it has 7 points, So with your measurements and giving it say maybe 22 for mass and a 45" spread ( being liberal not actually seeing it) with no deductions my guess would be around 370, Again just a guess without actually seeing it, mass and spread may be less or greater, ??? Either way it would appear it came from a very nice Bull.

Tagline

muleymaddness · Jan 21, 2010

LAST EDITED ON Jan-21-10 AT 09:21PM (MST)[p]It had 7 on the side that I have, so I'd assume a 7x. That was the main thing I was wondering - what a typical spread credit would be for this bull. By the shape of the beam, I'd say he wasn't real wide. I'll get the actual mass measurements; it's at my dads house right now. I don't see how it couldn't have more than 22 inches of mass per side though.

TagLine · Jan 21, 2010

You might get a picture of it and put it up on here, There are a lot of guys on here who are better at scoring than myself, Again it is hard to score from pics but they could actually give you a better guess than myself, Plus they would enjoy seeing it as well as myself.

Tagline

36moose · Jan 21, 2010

if ute hunter or wenimuche found them they would score 415 if some one else found them they would go 285 and not be worth picking up!!

utehunter · Jan 21, 2010

LAST EDITED ON Jan-21-10 AT 10:52PM (MST)[p]>if ute hunter or wenimuche found
>them they would score 415
>if some one else found
>them they would go 285
>and not be worth picking
>up!!

that great even have girls that are haters too. Why did u even have too bring my name or hunt rez name on this post we havnt said anything. well maybe I have not said anything?

REDDOG · Jan 21, 2010

Ute, is english your second language? Just wondering..

utehunter · Jan 21, 2010

LAST EDITED ON Jan-21-10 AT 11:00PM (MST)[p]>Ute, is english your second language?
>Just wondering..

Sorry didnt know we were in school my bad.

Romulus · Jan 22, 2010

Based on your measurements and the estimated mass of 30 inches which is good mass on a bull with an estimated 40 inch spread which is an average inside spread measurement your bull should score around 380. It may have slightly more or less mass. I would also guess maybe your measurement of 48 for the beam might be a little low. That is a pretty short beam for this caliber of bull. Remember to measure on the along the middle of the beam on the outside and start from the burr. Sounds like a great bull post picture if you can.

YELUM · Jan 22, 2010

I don''t understand the negative comments either. No need for them.

As for the shed, a typical inside spreed would be 37-41. 32 inches of mass per side is huge, and 22 inches is small. I wouold guess inthe 26-28 range. Given he had a matched side and 38 inch spread with 27 inches of mass per side, your looking at a 372 bull, +/- 5 inches. good shed. Pics Please.

Yelum

muleymaddness · Jan 24, 2010

I'll get a post up here shortly with a picture. I bet this dude came off a high fence ranch or something like that. My dad said he picked it up at a flea market here in Texas. Either someone didn't know what they had, or it's some type of high fence bull. Either way, it is cool to look at; I didn't realize it would score this well. I'm not for sure what he plans on doing with it.....

1bullelk · Jan 27, 2010

ok i thought that i would go ahead and say i don't think that 380-370 is even close if you look at my bull which scored 355 had bigger maserments all the way around who knows maybe it is 50ins wide but i dought it so i would guess 340-350 just my two since.

http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID12/11723.html

muleymaddness · Jan 27, 2010

Yeah, your pics definitely look bigger than my shed. I'll have to get a pic on here soon - but your bull is definitely bigger than that shed I have.

Romulus · Jan 28, 2010

Your bull is not bigger based on the measurements he gave. Your bull was a 6 pt and the shed was a 7pt. Your bull has similar measurements except the 4th pt on the shed was listed at 22 inches and the 4th pt on your bull appears to be around 18. List the measurements of your bull from the score sheet since you had it officially scored. The 6th pt on the 7 pt rack was listed at 9 inches. When we are only given 1 side we tend to double that side and give an average spread credit to estimate the score. That means the shed had a 18 inch advantage over your bull due to the bonus pts of extra points on the rack. This is all based on measurements we were given if he posts a picture of the bull we will be able to tell if it appears reasonable. Based on the measurements the bull clearly scores more than your bull but the measurements could be off. Shed horns also look quite a bit smaller than horns on the head so keep that in mind. Your bull was a great bull but it looked to me like it was scored correctly.

1bullelk · Jan 29, 2010

i do not have my score sheet in front of me but i think i know them the two fronts on both sides were 17 16 18 17 the imbarising 3rds were 12 and 13 my 4ths are the same as his at 22 and the outher at 24 5ths were 16 and my smallest mass masherment was 6 4/8 i will garentee that mine is biger my main beams were 52 and 53 spead was 42 let me know what you think

JakeH · Jan 29, 2010

1bullelk, is that the measurments the scorer used cause if you add those up, and fudge in the mass that you didnt give out I got 377, not 355 that you say the scorer gave you.

So ether the scorer messed up the adding, or you are useing the wrong #'s.

I'm just saying add it up and it dont add up something is amiss....

Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!

Schleppy · Jan 30, 2010

>1bullelk, is that the measurments the
>scorer used cause if you
>add those up, and fudge
>in the mass that you
>didnt give out I got
>377, not 355 that you
>say the scorer gave you.
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>So ether the scorer messed up
>the adding, or you are
>useing the wrong #'s.
>
>I'm just saying add it up
>and it dont add up
>something is amiss....
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>Jake H. SHED OR DEAD
>IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
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>

I have to agree, your at 318 before adding the mass. If 6 4/8 is your smallest mass measurement thats a minimum of another 52"...

Romulus · Jan 30, 2010

If you look at the picture of his bull it is a great heavy bull especially for Washington. But it looks like a 350-360 bull not a 375 class bull. I dont see 24 inch 4ths or 16 inch 5ths. I think he is just learning to score elk however and his friends who are sure the score is wrong may not understand the system either. It is simply inches of antler not eye appeal or mass or anything else. We have not even seen a picture of the shed antler so to say his bull is clearly bigger is ridiculous. He got his feelings hurt because he posted that his bull was 370+ some guys questioned the score thinking it was 350-360 and he said wait til it was officially scored. When it was officially scored at 355 he feels the scorer screwed him over although most on here that commented thought that is about what his bull would score.

muleymaddness · Jan 30, 2010

Finally got a pic of the shed. I took the measurements again, and this is what I came up with. Main beam = 47.5
Other tines are: 16.5, 17.0, 16.0, 22.0, 14.0, 9.0

JakeH · Jan 30, 2010

That is an awesome shed, with your measurments and adding in 28"s of mass, I got 170 on your horn, if you double that and give him a 35" inside spread (witch is not over doing it by any means) I got 375. I would say he was 375-380 if the other side was simular.

And 1bullelk, I was not bashing your bull at all he is an awesome bull as well, HUGE mass, but your measurments did not add up to what the scorer said he scored so something is wrong, still an awesome bull.

Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!