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DeerKing
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Should torturing captured Al Queda members be used to get information that could save lives? Any means possible, physical or mental. I'm sure its already being done to some extent.
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ridgetop
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I would like to think we would treat their guys just as they would treat ours under the same circumstances... This is war.
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huntsonora
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Hell yes, If we could torture one or two to save thousands of Americans lives be it Armed Forces or civilians lives then start poking and prodding! They would do it to us, I know that two wrongs dont make a right but all is fair in love and war!
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kidneystone
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Some of the "experts" claim that torturing is not as effective as long isolation. Eventually people spill the beans, but torture may give them more resolve. Of course, isolation can be a type of torture.
I sure hope that guy from Pakistan tells all.
I sure hope that guy from Pakistan tells all.
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GrandpaNasty
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I've heard the same thing as Kidney has. Isolation eventually gets to them, its a great form of torture. But we are under intense pressure to get answers soon, I say start yanking his fingernails.
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Boman
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I say use any means necessary.. Ok now I know there is a chemical/sedative that you can give someone that puts them out of it yet they can still talk..I think its a type of anestesia. If they won't talk give them some of that.. if not torture away..
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ghost hunter
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There's an old saying, "You came in here with good looks and information. Sorry, but you can't leave with both."
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Make him chew on a ball of tin foil for a couple hours. I don't give a rats ars what they do to him. Get the information out of him then finish him off. This guy organized a crime that took thousands of inosent people. The guy lost all rights as far as I'm concerned. He has no value on earth. Also, these extremest don't care if we torture him or not they hate Americans no matter what it won't change their opinion of us.
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catmando
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I think they should do to them like they did to the reporter. Get what they need and execute them, then bury their remains with a dead pig.
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AntlerKing
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It looks as if two prisoners where killed in Afghanistan, the MP?s are under investigation. There ruling it as a homicide, I'm not for it. I would hate to see one of our boys captured and tortured
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Vince (Colorado)
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Not for it? Everyones entitled to their own opinion, but do you honestly think they wouldn't torture our Soldiers?
Do whatever it takes!
Later-
Do whatever it takes!
Later-
predator
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Hmmm....did the Vietnamese torture any of their prisoners? In fact, did they not torture them more after Jane Fonda visited? What part of 'war' are these folks not getting? WE ARE AT WAR, THEY ARE THE ENEMY. Were our Rangers tortured by the Somalis? WE ARE AT WAR, THEY ARE THE ENEMY.
Were the 2700 people in the Twin Towers not tortured, was our country not tortured in watching them die? Are we not still tortured from within by liberals with no concept of how our freedom is cherished and now threatened?
I have a proposal, a new form of torture. Let's pull out all our militaty bases, foreign and humanitarian aid. Let's see what torture really is.
I'm fine, reallly.....ok, maybe I need more sleep. I admit that much!
Were the 2700 people in the Twin Towers not tortured, was our country not tortured in watching them die? Are we not still tortured from within by liberals with no concept of how our freedom is cherished and now threatened?
I have a proposal, a new form of torture. Let's pull out all our militaty bases, foreign and humanitarian aid. Let's see what torture really is.
I'm fine, reallly.....ok, maybe I need more sleep. I admit that much!
I am no expert but I believe isolation and only a little
time given to a prisoner, with a well trained(mole)insider
that he begins to trust will get more information.
As I was trained in the service torture usually causes more
hatred and tighter shut lips.
Do not get me wrong - after I got the information from one of
these turds I could care less what happened to them.
Semper Fi,
TheKnack
time given to a prisoner, with a well trained(mole)insider
that he begins to trust will get more information.
As I was trained in the service torture usually causes more
hatred and tighter shut lips.
Do not get me wrong - after I got the information from one of
these turds I could care less what happened to them.
Semper Fi,
TheKnack
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desertbull
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You wanna know the best way to get those people back? Not only pull all of our aid and military, but take the money saved and use it to further develope the fuel cell technology that will allow us to quit importing middle eastern oil. Hit them were it hurts, in the wallet!
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DesertBull,
You make way too much sense. Develop the fuel cell, cut off the Money! The oil people in the US will scream too but I think they have had their run.
what doesn't make sense about the fuel cell? Cheap, reneweable, non polluting. If we jump on research and developement now we can be running on it in 10 years on a mass scale.
BeanMan
You make way too much sense. Develop the fuel cell, cut off the Money! The oil people in the US will scream too but I think they have had their run.
what doesn't make sense about the fuel cell? Cheap, reneweable, non polluting. If we jump on research and developement now we can be running on it in 10 years on a mass scale.
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noname
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You people who are for torturing another human being make me sick. You are in the same league as Hitler, Hirohito, Idi Amin and Saddam Hussein. Enjoy the company you keep. If you dare to call yourselves Americans and patriots, then I am ashamed to be called one also.
Sincerely,
Edward Boe
LaBarge, Wyoming
Sincerely,
Edward Boe
LaBarge, Wyoming
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desertbull
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Edward,
I do not condone the torturing of anybody, but, let me ask you this. If these people, that have information that could save hundreds or thousands of lives and possibly be able to avert a war, will not talk, wouldn't it be the more humane thing to do? Again, I am just asking and really don;t know where I stand on this. I do know this, never gas and biological weapons are some of the most inhumane ways to die that man have ever invented.
Beanman,
I don't think it would hurt the oil companies at all if they were smart enough to evolve their businesses along with the technology. It would be many, many, years until all of the gas burning engines would gone. Also, there is no reason that the oil companies of today could not be the fuel cell companies of tomorrow.
I do not condone the torturing of anybody, but, let me ask you this. If these people, that have information that could save hundreds or thousands of lives and possibly be able to avert a war, will not talk, wouldn't it be the more humane thing to do? Again, I am just asking and really don;t know where I stand on this. I do know this, never gas and biological weapons are some of the most inhumane ways to die that man have ever invented.
Beanman,
I don't think it would hurt the oil companies at all if they were smart enough to evolve their businesses along with the technology. It would be many, many, years until all of the gas burning engines would gone. Also, there is no reason that the oil companies of today could not be the fuel cell companies of tomorrow.
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noname
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Desertbull,
I haven't seen where Al-Queda is much of a threat to us. Those that we have captured are out of commission. From what I understand, each separate cell has its own mission with little or no knowledge of what the other cell is up to. We have Al-Queda on the run and will whip them without sanctioned torture, I have no doubt about that. I fear bin Laden has the resources to do real damage to innocent people, but he is too much of a religous fanatic to do it. Look at all of the countries and dictators that have used torture as a matter of course. Most of them have had their butts handed to them and those that haven't will be next-and not neccessarily by the USA. I hope that if our country focuses on eliminating terrorism in the world that will do more to avert war and save thousands more innocent lives than anything else we may do-and the world will be behind us.
I haven't seen where Al-Queda is much of a threat to us. Those that we have captured are out of commission. From what I understand, each separate cell has its own mission with little or no knowledge of what the other cell is up to. We have Al-Queda on the run and will whip them without sanctioned torture, I have no doubt about that. I fear bin Laden has the resources to do real damage to innocent people, but he is too much of a religous fanatic to do it. Look at all of the countries and dictators that have used torture as a matter of course. Most of them have had their butts handed to them and those that haven't will be next-and not neccessarily by the USA. I hope that if our country focuses on eliminating terrorism in the world that will do more to avert war and save thousands more innocent lives than anything else we may do-and the world will be behind us.
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ridgetop
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-11-03 AT 02:12PM (MST)[p]Ed,
"I haven't seen where Al-Queda is much of a threat to us."???
Sorry, but I'm sitting here and scratch my head at that statement. Did what happened on Sept. 11, 2001 really happen, or did we all just collectively dream that? Let alone all of the other acts of blatant disreguard for human life in many other bombings they have been responsible for around the world. Not to mention, with all the tools of mass carnage they have may or may not have available to them, such as extremely potent chemical and biological weapons, and possibly dirty bombs, how can you say they are not much of a threat to us? They have already shown they dont care one whit about how they go about attempting to destroy us.
Bert
"I haven't seen where Al-Queda is much of a threat to us."???
Sorry, but I'm sitting here and scratch my head at that statement. Did what happened on Sept. 11, 2001 really happen, or did we all just collectively dream that? Let alone all of the other acts of blatant disreguard for human life in many other bombings they have been responsible for around the world. Not to mention, with all the tools of mass carnage they have may or may not have available to them, such as extremely potent chemical and biological weapons, and possibly dirty bombs, how can you say they are not much of a threat to us? They have already shown they dont care one whit about how they go about attempting to destroy us.
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desertbull
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Yeah, that statement had me wondering a bit too, and then to say Bin Laden wouldn't hurt innocent people because he is a religious fanatic? I am not sure where you are coming from on that.
Either way, I say that all bets are off when you are talking about one life compared to hundreds or thousands. The guy has a choice, talk or suffer.
Either way, I say that all bets are off when you are talking about one life compared to hundreds or thousands. The guy has a choice, talk or suffer.
Noname, Are you by any chance.....French?????. To religious to kill anybody?. Did you forget 9/11..Or think that our bombing of Afganistan (SP) didn't take lives because of his attack on us??. When somebody sucker punches your mother you don't just walk away!!!. Stand up and be an American or get the hell out of the way......
WHACK IRAQ!!!!!!!
WHACK IRAQ!!!!!!!
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AJHunt
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That's why the Israel Army are Bad###es... "you kill one of our citizens, we go after the Hamaz leaders".
Unfortunetly, in that part of the world, they look at our way of dealing with these things as a sign of weakness. Sometimes, although difficult, it's necessary to calculate the consequences and make tough decisions. As far as I'm concerned, I don't need to know what they are doing to get these guys to talk, just as long as the end justifies the means.... Loose lips sink ships.
AJ
Unfortunetly, in that part of the world, they look at our way of dealing with these things as a sign of weakness. Sometimes, although difficult, it's necessary to calculate the consequences and make tough decisions. As far as I'm concerned, I don't need to know what they are doing to get these guys to talk, just as long as the end justifies the means.... Loose lips sink ships.
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noname
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Read my post again. Bin Laden's fanaticism, I hope, is clouding what damage could really be done, but hopefully we are too vigilant for that. Hitler (another madman) was so focused on eliminating Jews and squandered so many resources to that end that it could be argued that it cost him the war. Yes, we got hit on September 11, 2001. My hunch is bin Laden won't be able to hit us that hard again. But if we start torturing people, their countrymen won't forget it for decades. And no, I am not French.
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I think we should put them to work on a pig farm and feed them only pork to them that would be such a sin they would no longer won't to die because they would think they would never get close to allah again.
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dutch
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stick needles in their balls 
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RLH
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take 2 of em up in a chopper. pitch one of em out, if the other one "don't go to singin'", go down and hover over the first one and give him a good look and go back up. if he still won't sing, pitch him out and go get 2 more. repeat as neccesary.
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RandyWeaver
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Having "some" knowledge of the subject, I had to throw my hat into the ring here. First, understand that I have no moral objection to beating the piss out of these guys just for recreation. However, as a practical matter, our experience has been that information obtained through physical abuse is rarely dependable or accurate. Those with the most information are also the most likely to be trained in counter-interrogation techniques. They will resist to a point (ask any POW), but after awhile, they'll tell you exactly what they think will stop the abuse. They will tell you what they think you want to know, which may or may not be the truth.
In reality, in the face of continuing, non-abusive interrogation, just about everyone will tell you something. The key is getting them to talk at all. Once you begin to get information, you verify that information with other sources. If/when it is disproved, you can use their lying (and their belief that you'll beat the piss out of them) to elicit more information. And the process continues...
Venado muy grande!
In reality, in the face of continuing, non-abusive interrogation, just about everyone will tell you something. The key is getting them to talk at all. Once you begin to get information, you verify that information with other sources. If/when it is disproved, you can use their lying (and their belief that you'll beat the piss out of them) to elicit more information. And the process continues...
Venado muy grande!
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RandyWeaver
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Oh, and by the way, think of al-Qaeda as an international holding company of terrorists, with numerous susidiaries. While we are striking effectively at the hierarchy of al-Qaeda, getting at some of the associated organizations (Hizb'Allah, Hamas, Abu Sayyaf, etc.) is much, much more difficult. Consider also, the probably presence of a number of Iraqi, Iranian, Syrian, etc. "intelligence officers" and the threat is by no means eradicated.
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RLH
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Randy, you're probably right, but look at all the fun you'd miss out on by just talkin' to em. by the way, are you the real randy weaver?
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RandyWeaver
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Oh, I'm the real Randy Weaver - just not the one from Idaho.
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desertbull
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Car Battery + Jumper cables + testicles = one loud singing Arab terrorist.
