Long Range Successes - Lets hear it!

Elkslayer

Elkslayer

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I am currently putting together a 300 RUM and was wanting to hear successes at long ranges with variouse calibers and loads.
I am leaning to a 190 Berger or 200 Accubond for distances of 800 yards. Please no unethical long range shooting posts.

Lets hear it!
1. Gun Type( Remington, Winchester, etc )
2. Caliber
3. Bullet type and grain
4. Yardage
5. Animal Type ( Elk, deer, antelope,goat, moose,etc )
6. Bullet entrance and exit location
7. Bullet entrance and exit sizes
8. Your thoughts on performance
 
I got this friend named StinkyStomper, and he's got a real good long-range yarn. It goes like this.............. oh, yeah.... you said nothing unethical. Never mind. ;)
 
Browning A-bolt
.280 Remington
150 grain partition
521 yards (That's long range in my book.)
Dall sheep
just behind the shoulder mid body
1/2 inch hole going in 2 inch hole going out.
Sheep fell in his tracks.
 
I shoot a 300 win mag with 190 Bergers. Using Retumbo powder im pushing it 3183 at the muzzle. I have a Hushemaw scope on top and have been very happy. A few weeks ago I shot a cow elk @ 934 yards. And it was a one shot, Lights out.
This year I have shot Black Bear @ 510 yards, Deer @ 640 yards, 2 Coyotes @ 700 yards, Cow elk @ 934. All with the Berger 190's. THey do a Hell of a job and they shoot Great. Get to know your setup and how to shoot out in the field and 800 yards will be a chip shot.
I wish I had a dollar for every rock I shot at this year.
 
Yeah I think he asked for "Long Range Successes" and even asked for people to leave out the "not real impressive stalking skills" balony.

Maybe Founder can delete any posts, including this one, that doesn't just talk about LR success......
 
You had to expect them though....

I dont really have the best longrange setup so 500 is about my max. So I dont have any cool longrange stories but I like to read other peoples stories about it.

NO GUTS, NO STORY!!


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Remington 700
300 Rum
190 berger
740 yrds
Black bear
Front Right Shouder
Left Rear Quarter
Excelent preformance

also an elk at 490 hit left shoulder exited right shoulder.
deer at 836 hit right side at end of rib cage exit was on the left where shoulder meets the neck.
All were one shot kills the only one that moved after the shot was the bear he fell and then jumped up and ran about thirty yards.
 
kinda opposite of the hunting skills but definitely good shooting skills. I mean it's hard to tell what the wind is doing 800 yds away and yet they still pull it off. I'm impressed.
 
Here's my set up;
-280 rem
-120 gr reloads
-home made tripod mount

1st crack at long range was a coues deer at 600 yards. Shot #1 was a damn field goal perfect right between his antlers. Shot #2 on the same deer was a foot right. Shot #3 was a foot left. Shot #4 was a foot high. Shot #5 and yes I got 5 shot for all you nay sayers out there because at 600 yards they don't know whats going on so you can pretty much shoot at them until you hit um anyways I missed again but can't remember where I hit. Well long story short I never hit that buck. I don't know what happened on this ordeal I mean I hit the 600 yard gong every time at the range.

2nd crack was at another coues this time he was at only 500 yards. I don't remember all the hit details all I know is I shot 10 times before running out of bullets. Never hit the damn thing and it never once looked at me just keep minding his own chasing a hot doe. After running out of bullets he actually got closer to me even after just getting 10 pieces of lead banged out at him. Even after I yelled out ever curse word in the book he still didn't care. You can be pretty much as noisy as you want at these long range shot they don't care. I mean there were about 5 or 6 different deer in this canyon and none of them were at all concerned with the guy rising hell up on the hill.

3rd was actually with a bow back. I spent months and months practicing out to 120 yards. If the wind was calm I could hit a pie plate 9 out of 10 every time at 120!! Well I was stalking a doe when she spooked and ran out to 120 yards. Nows my chance all my practice at 120 yards is about to pay off. The only shot I have is at her head sticking out of a bush looking at me. I think well hell that's about the size of a pie plate and a shot to the head should knock her clean out she won't feel a thing. So I draw my trusty rusty bow back and say to myself it's just like shooting a pie plate. All I'm thinking is apple, apple I mean cherry no pumpkin yes pumpkin. I settle in on the target and let her fly! 3 seconds later I hear a sicking whack! Sure enough the shot was good only bad thing is that it didn't knock her out. She just ran off!! What the hell? Well I hiked on over to where she was standing and about 10 yards from where I hit her was my arrow broad head and all. I went in there the next day and found her again with a little patch of blood on her head eating away.

Well here's my point. I think we need to hear both sides the good and bad of long range shooting so when dumb ASS cocky know it all kids like myself read all these great long range success story's they don't think "Well hell sound easy and if he can do it so can I." Long range shooting is EXTREMELY difficult kids! All you ever hear about are the long range glory stories. I think this paints the wrong picture in a young hunters mind. You never really hear about the missed shots too much in long range shooting when I know from experience(mine and others I've hunted with) that misses shots do happen more then you know and no matter how much you're prepared it happens.

Nuke away!
 
Weatherby 30-378
180 Accubond. I like 200's but I couldn't get any at the time.
1020 yards
Bull Elk
Just behind the front shoulder, busted the other front shoulder and stuck in the hide. Entrance was just a normal sized hole.

Like I said I would rather use 200 grain accubonds but couldn't get any at the time.

Performance was fine. The bull was maybe on his feet for a total of five seconds after the hit.
 
Hunter X,

I will post a bad longrange story as soon as it happens. Im not saying it will never happen. But I shoot enough all year round that I know where my bullet is going to hit.
Yes it takes alot more then just buying all the gear, then go out and kill an animal at 600 yards.
 
Christensen Arms Custom 30-378
Swaro 4x16x50 TDS
Factory 165 Barnes triple shock
620 yds plus or minus a couple of yds
Bull Elk
1/2" entrance on brisket and the same diameter on exit behind the shoulder.
squirting blood out both sides. Awsome
Bog Pod shooting sticks steady as can be.
 
Sako TRG-S in 30-378 Weatherby
Leupold 4.5-14 x 50 VX III
Hand loads topped with 180 Barnes TTSX
Muzzle Velocity 3500 fps

I've played around with alot of loads for this rifle settled on this load for consistant speed and accurate groups. Had worked a load with the 165 TTSX at almost 4000 fps but it would jump up and down up to 100 fsp per shot.
I've only shot at three animals at or past 600 yards:

First one was a Buck Antelope at 610 yards shot twice destroyed both front shoulders. Had large exit wounds didn't recover any bullets.

Second was a Bull elk at 1039 yards I shot about 9 or 10 times could see him hunch up his back on my second shot ended up having 7 bullets in him mostly around the front shoulder no exit wounds. The elk only went 50 yards and died. After looking at the bullets they were not expanding very well. I called Barnes to ask about this they reamed my a$$ for shooting that far and explained about the minimum expansion speed. After looking into this more I decided unless I change bullets I shouldn't shoot past 800 absolute max distance with this load. To be honest in the excitement of the moment I found myself just jacking in another round and not shooting my best I had no problem shooting 1000 at targets and had practiced alot but in the field even with no wind there is the addrenaline factor.

The Third was a bull elk this last fall at 600 yards even. This time I shot three shots in about a six inch group at front of front shoulder, broke bones, had no exits the bullets expanded well the bull never took a step just fell after my third shot. He would have died after the first but he just locked his legs until the third shot. This time I felt good about the preformance of myself and my loads/bullets.

I don't have any problem with anybody shooting long range as long as they prepare properly I realize I haven't always been as prepared as I thought but we all learn every time we go hunting.
 
I shot my bull at 40 yards. It was slightly downhill and a 7mph wind. I only practice at 100 so with that angle and wind i wasn't sure where to hold. lol
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-10 AT 10:33PM (MST)[p]>Yeah I think he asked for
>"Long Range Successes" and even
>asked for people to leave
>out the "not real impressive
>stalking skills" balony.
>
>Maybe Founder can delete any posts,
>including this one, that doesn't
>just talk about LR success......
>


Sorry. Didnt mean it in a bad way at all. Im actually super impressed. Wish I could shoot that well. Should have added a smiley face at the end of the post :)
 
Wow, some truly amazing shots. It is truly incredible that you guys can shoot animals, or anything at that distance.

I was on the desert in Idaho last year. We had a great set up for long range shooting, I will spare you the gun details, but believe me it was as good as money can buy.

We knew the range exactly, we knew the wind (at the point of shooting)...but we could NOT hit a milk jug at 600 yards. We dialed in, changed things, calculated wind again....could not do it.
We could drive tacks at 300, but 600, just could not do it.

I am guessing it was the wind, it must have been swirling or something in the valley that we were shooting across.

I realized that day, that I am a 400 yard and in guy.

But I know guys can do it further, it really amazes me.
 
My friend invested a considerable amount of money and invested some serious time in his long range gun. He and I went deer hunting and had a nice buck in our binos, at well over 1000 yards I think (way too tough to guess at that distance). We made a series of slow sneeks in to about 800 yards or so. He said that if he got a broadside shot that he could kill him. I said that I felt that shot was not right and we had no real way of telling the exact distance. He was upset but reluctantly agreed to try and sneek closer. We snuck up to a spot I felt was well within range from where I thought the buck was when we were previously watching him. We used our binos for an hour or so but could not relocate the buck. Well, it was a nice day and I was certain that we had played the wind right and the buck couldnt have seen us so I urged him to stay and see if we could find the buck, plus it was a long way back up to the trail. Long story short, four hours and two naps later we stood and looked across the draw and low and behold the buck was feeding right there. He took the shot and killed the buck.

So what am I getting at? My friend invested lots of money and time to be able to shoot critters at long range. He had hit a milk jug at 800 yards previously. And now he stood over a nice buck that he shot at 100 yards or less and it never knew we were there. Long range may be nice but I feel that it doesn't matter as much as the ability to stalk. Don't get me wrong, I wish that I could shoot 800 yards at a target, not an animal.These posts are impressive, but some mention shots in the shoulder or even both shoulders. Thats a lot of wasted meat in my opinion and isnt that what we are after in the long run. Thats why we kill an animal isn't it... to eat it. Maybe I am off track but any unnecissary waste of meat is unforgivable. Maybe I am misguided, but at 800 yards can you place that bullet behind the shoulders and in the vitals. How can you pick a good vital shot at that range. I realize these posts talk of instant kills, which I like, but I am not seeing where the pinpoint accuracy is in all this. So what happens if the animal doesnt go down instantly, do you walk the 800 yards cross canyon to chack for blood? I certainly hope so but fear that it doesn't happen that way. I hope I'm wrong. Anyway, sorry for the long diatribe. Just curious and have never had anyone answer my questions with any certainty.
 
Timber line.

I can not speak for everyone here. But I do check on every shot whether is is me or I guide someone else in to where I shot I always follow up. Yes you do ruin meat. I do not shoot for the Vitals all of the time. If they are closer than 800 yards I shoot for the shoulders cause then they don't move and you always find your animal. So there is pin-point accuracy in there. I am not saying I always hit where I aim but the point of this thread was to hear about the good shots not the bad.
 
Please continue with the LR success stories and gear details!

Timberline....

We would never take a shot without ranging it and knowing the distance!

We have never taken a shot without someone spotting the shot = someone on highish(20-60 depending)power watching through a good spotter scope. I have seen 4 LR shots on game through my spotter scope and there was ZERO question after watching the hits about it being a miss or a bad shot. I could see exactly where the animals were hit, and I could have seen a miss.

Moving closer is sometimes an option, but sometimes it doesn't work out too. We have done that and never seen the animal again. If it's the last day, or the biggest bull you have ever seen, it's nice to not be out of the game.
 
30-378
165 gr
3600ft
scope with BDC can dial it out there.
Coyote 782 yds
Killed 2 bulls at 80 yds.
Killed 1 bull at 200
Killed 2 bulls at 502



"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
I'm going to just start staying at home and have the coordinates phoned to me at my house and then shoot from my recliner!
 
My daughter shot her first bull this year in Arizona on the late hunt. 440 yards. I know it isnt extreme range but for her it was. 440 is a long poke. She is a very good shot and we practiced alot prior to the hunt starting. We could not get any closer due to terrain. She rested the rifle on a dead oak branch that was steady.
The rifle i put together is a rem 700 adl in .300 RUM. 3x9x40 leupold varix3 with the boone and crockett reticle. Handloads- 180 scirocco, 87 grains IMR4831, winchester primers rem brass. The rifle is glass bedded, has a brake by kodiak precision arms as well as trigger work by the same. All in all i have a little over 1200 bucks i think in it. With me behind the scope 600 yards is nothing I dont know if I woudl ever take a shot past that but that is me I make no judgements. Good shooting.
 
I really started this post to find out more about bullet performance at longer ranges. Lets hear some more info on how the bullet performed and whether you were satisfied. If you do not like this subject.............then please dont post!!!
 
I watched a guy shoot a mule deer with his weatherby 30-378, 200 gr berger at 997 yards. Hit him right behind the shoulder, bullet destroyed the shoulder on the exit side. Afterwards, I had to give him a hard time. Told him a real man would have backed up 3 more yards!

www.muleybulloutfitters.com
 
My 1,000 grain nosler performed perfectly but it took a day and a half to find the bull because my coordinates were off in my GPS tracking system until I was 20 miles away from my house!

I read lots of posts on these forums that don't stay EXACTLY with the original thread!
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-13-10 AT 11:11AM (MST)[p]This isn't rocket science, the bullets at 1000 yards are usually going substantially slower than the same bullet at 100 yards coming from a 300 savage or whatever. no, a 1000 yard hit from a 30-378 isnt going to blow an elephant to bits, regardless of what you may hear. The same bullet basically performs the same way at a given velocity, regardless of distance. Human technology is out stripping wildlifes ability to adapt, combine that with shrinking habitat, and you get the mess we are seeing now. Extremely limited quotas if mature animals are to survive, and that means lots of lost opportunity for hunting. And don't kid yourself, a lot of wounded animals will result from the current fad of shooting ultra long distances.
 
You got it right on that one! I wonder if you will get scolded for not following the "thread" exactly?
 
Not trying to start a fight but, One_Dry Boot did'nt you just post a story of shooting at a wounded buck 8 times?
 
Yes Snuffy Lover I did! And It was not a "LONG RANGE SHOT"

The yardage was about a hundred on the first few shots. Thats what happens on rushed shots where you jump the animal. And the buck went and bedded down within two hundred yards.
I will still stick with more animals are wounded at close range by jumping them and shooting at a running buck, then long range where you can set up and take your time at an animal that is standing still and has no clue your around.
In fact I have never lost an animal that I have shot at long range 400+ and almost every single one was dead on the first shot. If the animal is still on its feet I am shooting till it hits the dirt.
Maybe I shouldnt have taken a running shot at 100 yards, maybe that was my only shot,who knows? But I wasn't taking the chance of him running out of the country without stopping.
Its not the "longrange" hunters you need to worry about. Its the "JOE Blows" that take out there gun for the first time in three years, blow the dust off and hope its still on. The that same "JOE BLOW" will shoot at any range and hope he hits it.
Will Long Range shooters wound game? YES, but so will the "Ethical" 300 yard and in guys, as well as the dust your gun off and shoot guys. It will happen at all ranges!
Its ok if you anti's long rangers limit your shots to 300 yards and less. Your doing me a favor and I will put more trophys on the wall. :)
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-14-10 AT 07:39PM (MST)[p] I love the ethics police. Those that judge others on the way they hunt. Let me ask this of you, what gives you the right to say anything negative about long distance shots, other than your free speech right? Or do you guys just like starting crap with others?
BTW the 140 gr barnes triple x tipped out of my 7mm performed flawlessly at 400 yards on my coues buck this year. One round, dumped him like a sack of rocks. Took out the left shoulder and passed through.
I can shoot very well at least up to 800 yards with the right equipment, I have the training to back that up. As far as others, it can be done effectively given the equipment and time behind the sights, in the field under different weather etc etc. Like I said I proly wouldnt shoot over 600 yards at a game animal but there isnt much diff than shooting at anything else that walks the earth it just takes consistent practice and knowledge of your equipment. I hate the bashing round here all the time.
As far as the thread goes I forgot to add I messed up my earlier post I load retumbo in the 300 and imr 4831 in the 7mm 62 grains behind the barnes bullets which i have become a great fan of over the last two years. my .o2
 
Why are some so sensetive? Opinions are what these posts are all about, Why don't you ask say, Wayne Van Zwoll about his opinion of ultra long range shooting? and then try crying when he gives it to you. I have hunted enough to know about following up on shots, about bullet expansion and performance,and what not so well placed shots do to animals, I express my opinion, and enjoy hearing yours.
 
Ethic police or not I will jump in.
300WbyMag mark 5
Leupold Vari X3 4.5 14 B&C
150GRN accubond

Elk 512 yards one shot in the neck. I have also killed bulls within 100 yars with this load.
Antelope 570 yards one shot behind the shoulder.
 
Nobody said squat about ethics. You have yours and I have mine. I don't believe long rang shooting is good for our sport - Period. I have my opinion and you can have yours and I don't really give a rats a.. about how well you think you can shoot and can back it up. And yes I know there are lots of animals lost with people shooting at 100 yards. My concern is for the sport and I watched Oregon lose their battle over hunting cats with dogs due to a great advertisement scheme that depicted "technolgy" and lazy hunters. Well guess what we still don't have dogs and long range shooting will someday be shown on a commercial from the non-hunting zealots. It won't surprise me to see someone sitting in their house calling in the coordinate shots while drinking a beer with a belly the size of a 52" screen. Far fetched? I don't think so. There has already been places advertising for people to shoot with their computer while sitting at home.

So go ahead and bury your head in the sand (or wherever you put it) and shoot away from 800, 1,000, 2,000 and 3 miles away but don't ##### when your right to hunt gets yanked.
 
Jazz, Go ahead and come up for air once in a while.

The anti's dont care how long a shot you take. The anti's dont care if you use bonded, boat tail or non lead bullets. They want it shut down because were killing animals, not how we kill them. They dont care if we make quick, one shot kills or shoot them in the A.S.S and let them run off and rot.
You seem to think long range shooting will be the death of hunting. Well, go ahead and pull your head out and use that round thing atop your head!
 
My head is out but your's isn't. I realize the anti's themselves are that way but there are thousands and thousands of people out there that aren't taking a position of support or one against us either way. The anti's will take things like this and use it to sway those "independents" against us. It doesn't play well to show, advertise and recommend that a "hunter" sits on top of ridge and shoots 1,000 yards, one shot kill or not. As a sport we are getting attacked one way or another everyday and we are not winning! We have lost ground everywhere and all I'm saying is the "long range shooting" growth will ultimately not be helpful in this battle. So pull your head out of the sand and recognize that promotion of long range shooting is a small "niche" that is being tapped for a few bucks. If you want to shoot 1,000 yards blow up a milk jug. If you want to hunt get out and hunt!
 
I see what your sayin Jazz. But all in all nothing we hunters do will be helpful in the battle or will be acceptable to the anti's. they will not accept anything, they want it all shut down. If we let them take away any part of our sport they will keep coming back for more. and they win.
 
The part I can't believe is that elkslayer asks for specific information, and even asks for people to not get into an ethics debate, and some people think their opinion is SO important that they ignore this and post their negative opinions anyway.

Why not start your own thread bashing LR hunting? Why is YOUR opinion so important that you think it's ok to hijack and ruin elkslayers search for information? That's one of the worst things about the internet in my opinion, giving every tom, #####, and harry, the opportunity to run their mouthes.

Yes, you can reply that it's a free country and no one can stop you from posting....but I think that childish, "I can do what I want" attitude will do more harm to hunting then guys who spend a lot of time and money so they can shoot LR.
 
>The part I can't believe is
>that elkslayer asks for specific
>information, and even asks for
>people to not get into
>an ethics debate, and some
>people think their opinion is
>SO important that they ignore
>this and post their negative
>opinions anyway.
>
>Why not start your own thread
>bashing LR hunting? Why
>is YOUR opinion so important
>that you think it's ok
>to hijack and ruin elkslayers
>search for information? That's
>one of the worst things
>about the internet in my
>opinion, giving every tom, #####,
>and harry, the opportunity to
>run their mouthes.
>
>Yes, you can reply that it's
>a free country and no
>one can stop you from
>posting....but I think that childish,
>"I can do what I
>want" attitude will do more
>harm to hunting then guys
>who spend a lot of
>time and money so they
>can shoot LR.

I agree and I'd like to apologize to elkslayer for being a thread highjacker. Even though my reply had to do with my LR experiences it was not the kind of info elkslayer ask for and I knew that. I just tried to delete my post but couldn't because too much time has past.

I also agree that the "I can do what I want" attitude in the hunting community is very bad for our sport.
 
Thanks for those who posted information that I was asking for. It would be fine with me if the moderator "nukes" this post, not getting any more info on what I was looking for. Think I will go to Longrangehunting.com
 
>
> I
>wish I had a dollar
>for every rock I shot
>at this year.

Uhhh considering prices of powder, lead and brass, not to mention reloading time - then you'd only have about half your money back! LOL

Sounds like you have it dialed in though.

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
I think I will just start a thread bashing you. What makes you think YOUR opinion is soooo important. Bottom line is the can of worms was opened on a controversial subject and you get different opinions. I have opened a LR thread and got a variety of opinions, as I expected. You can also think the replies are childish but if they don't agree with you then that doesn't demonstrate that unlike you demonstrating your IQ at about 75! It is a free country and this is a site that allows open exchange as long as it is constructive.

To your point about the internet well that falls in line with my thinking. The anti's would love to show some guy sitting on a ridge shooting 1,000 yards away! I would love to see a true hunting poll and see what percentage is for or against? My guess is ????? what's yours?
 
Ok go where the guys are trying to make a few bucks. Maybe you can start a class on LR shooting and charge $25 less than the current clowns.
 
You are making some valid points, There are way, way more non hunters than there are anti hunters, and a lot on non hunters know what hunting means in the traditional sense of the word.
 
1. Weatherby Mark V
2. 30-378
3. Sierra Match King 200 Gr.
4. 634 Yards
5. Bull Elk (376 B&C Gross)
6. High Shoulder
7. Small entrance, no exit
8. Performance was very excellent. The key to LR shooting is bullet placement. This bull didn't last 10 seconds after he was hit.
 
There are a million stories of missed shots from relatively close range (100-300 yards) so what is your point?
 
I am a 20 year old college student that does lots of shooting and grew up on a ranch and hunt all the time. John Porter introduced me into long range shooting. Now he works with the BEST OF THE WEST. I shoot a 7mm stw with a 168 grain berger bullet.My rifle is a reminton action. My brother used it and shoot his bull this year at 960 yards. I have shoot lots of coyotes at 800 yards with it. I let a hunter my dad was guiding shoot a deer at 658 with it. All are one shot kills. High shoulder shots work. My brothers bull did not have a big entrance or exit but it killed him fast. I think its all about practic and knowing what you can do with your rifle. I shoot 1000 yard targets all the time with different wind speeds so I know i will make a ethical shot and my animal will be right there.
 
What college? Are you an English major?

"does lots......."

"and grew up on a ranch......"

"into long range shooting....."

"my rifle is a reminton action......"

"I have shoot lots of coyotes......"

"My brother used it and shoot his bull....."

"but it killed him fast....."

"I think its all about........."

"I know I will make a ethical shot....."

Best of the West is exactly the type of show that will eventually bite our sport right in the butt! Unless it gets shoot first!
 
Do you want a "Cyber Tissue" Jazz?

Its guys like you that will eventually bite our sport in the butt! Now quit crying about how someone wants to hunt. If we take away long range shots lets just say anything over 400 yards. What will they take away next? Pretty soon, 250 yards will be long range and they will take that away. We better all just go to shooting a long bow and limit our shots to 25 yards. Because everything beyond a stick and string is technology and its going to be the end of our sport. My hell we better make our own broad heads chipping rocks, Because we all know anything more will be the end for hunters. Give me a break.
 
One Dry Boot and 1/2 a brain!! That's why you don't have two dry boots!

Think as you wish. I've seen this process play out in other arenas but you must be RIGHT. I'm not the problem nor am I personally against LR shooting. I'm against the advertisement and magnification of that so a few bozo's can make a quick dollar or two.

I understand technology and advancement but at some level it can't superseed the ability of the animal to get away from a reasonable distance. So who defines that distance? That is the question and I'm not saying it's me but this advancement in all weapons may lead our sport down a path that isn't good. You can disagree, that's obvious, I'm just bringing up a point here that I believe in.

In today's world the techology is also in how fast these video's or TV shows can spread througout the world and if you think you and a few of your cronies are going to stop that then GOD help us all because the "internet" can spread this junk faster than the bullet that your professing to be so good from 1,000 yards can travel and it will be more deadly than any one shot kill!

By the way I'm a member here, with SCI, NRA, MDA, RMEF, DU, etc. so I think I am a little on the supportive side.
 
The only thing I disagreed with you about was you singling out LR shooting and acting like that was the only problem. I can not argue with your last post because it actually made sense and I agree at some point technology will have to come to a stop. But im not the one to make the call, and for now I will use whats given.
 
Thanks DesertDiesel. That's the kind of info that I was looking for. Thanks also to those that are posting the same kind of information. Keep it going!!!! Maybe this post will still end up with what I was looking for. Time to go to the range and field!
 
My long range shot was made near Gunnison, Co. in Nov. '07
*Savage Weather Warrior in .300RUM
*Factory Remington 180gr. Scirocco
*4.5-16x40 Sightron scope
*Rest; leaned on a quakie
*525 yds. 5x4 bull elk
*Aimed too high and missed 1st shot/ dropped him with the 2nd.
Longest shot I've ever tried, but, the .300RUM shoots like a lazor!!!










"Good mass & long brows"
 
Rem. XCR 300 RUM
Nikon Monarch 5.5 x 16.5
180 Hornady SST
91gr. reloader 25
350 class bull elk
674 yards with steep incline
took out back leg
ran down mountain on remaining three
fatal shot to neck for kill at 100 yards
a few butterfies bandages for my eye
 
The longest and luckiest shot I made was when I was 16 years old on a late cow hunt. 500-540 yards, elk on a dead run, Savage 308 open sights, 180 grain factory round, one shot hit her in the upper back and down she went.
 
I am not a long range shooter but I have taken deer out to 400 yds and elk out to about 500 yds. with the below setup.

weatherby vanguard 300 win mag
luepold VX III 3-9 BC
barnes ttxs 180

I have watched guys miss deer and elk as close as 70 yds. How far you can shoot depends on how much you practice, and how you react during a shot at an animal. If you dont practice you have almost as much of a chance at missing a shot at 100 yds as you do at 400 yds. If you get bad buck fever good luck hitting any thing. parctice, practice, practice then practice some more.

as far as bullet performance, I have never had to shoot more that twice at game. Almost all were dead after the first shot, but if they are still standing they are going to get a second shot.
I finally recovered a bullet this last season from an elk shot at about 500 yds it went through the front right leg bone, through the vitals and then through the left leg bone and lodge under the hide. vary little damage was done to the meat and the bullet was a perfect clover with 100% weight (180 gn TTSX).
 
Browning A-bolt 30-06
150 gr. factory Remington CoreLokt

1995 5x5 CO Elk 515 yards... Base of ear(all luck, no skill)
2000 WY Antelope 402 ... Frontal chest shot
2002 WY Antelope 458... High Shoulder
2008 CO Mule deer 488... Lung
That being said, most other shots have been under 350.


P.S. 1998 CO Mule deer 2 yards... Frontal chest shot w/ .41 mag. Found the bullet mushroomed in the pelvis pone. Most devastating knockdown Ive seen.
 
In 20 yrs of hunting I have taken nearly 50 deer, antelope, and elk, and in all but a handfull of instances I COULD have taken a shot from 500...600...700 yards or more, but I chose not to. In that time I can think of maybe one or two times when I blew a stalk because I chose to move in for a closer shot. Personally, I don't buy the argument for this whole "long-range" phenomenon, and think that the whole thing is put on by a few people to make more money on "superior" technology, and to help a few hunters overcome other "inadequacies"
 
Try hunting!! It's really fun when you do it right. It's about the stalk not the kill!! If you get really close you don't have to be a great shot. Just my opinion.
 
Hey kingfish,

is hunting really about the stalk? Or is it about being out in gods country enjoying every moment, watching the sun rise, freezing your ace off, sweating your ace off, watching wildlife. Cuz if hunting is only about the stalk man i need to quit doing all the rest.
 
Sweating? Oh yeah AFTER you walk a few thousand yards to collect that one shot trophy kill!

I know I'm supposed to chill!
 
Yes he does!

Just a little FYI there jazzy boy, I have never once said I shoot or have shot a couple thousand yards. Nor have I ever said I have shot at game at 1,000 yards.
Ill tell you what. You come hunt with me, then after a while Ill let you lick my Nutz to see if im sweatin. :)
 
Now there's a high IQ comment! Typical and a perfect example of why our sport of hunting is viewed so variably these days.

Once again some of us have two dry boots!
 
Hunt anyway you like. I'm quite comfortable hunting the way I like and quite successful without every new techological advancement to make up for the inability to actually "hunt".
 
Threads like this remind me of why I'm glad to be a bowhunter. I can't imagine all I'd miss out on if bombing away from 600 yards!
 
Not sure why this thread went to an ethics issue. Everyone likes to hunt for different reason with differnent types of equipment. LR shooting is a form of hunting that guys and gals like to do. I do believe it is a fad and "Best of the West" has done a good job marketing it. Good for them. There is a group of hunters from Central PA that have been shooting deer over a mile for 20 years now. I am from PA and rarely shoot a deer over 100 yards. That being said one of my good PA friends shot his whitetail this year at 790 yards. He hunts old strip mine areas and sets up for long range shots. Good for him. Myself I shoot 99% of my whitetails these days with the Bow. To each his own. We should all play nice in the sandbox.
 
Just curious how my ability to shoot further automatically inhibits my ability to "actually hunt" is it any worse to hire an expert/guide to take me hunting, I have no problem with people who do, but I would argue that is a way to "make up for the inability to actually hunt" Jazz I'm glad you've had successful guides to take you out.
 
There was a LR 1000 for sale in the Salt Lake paper want adds that was $2000.00 off the asking price. I saw one last week at the Eastern Outdoor show in Harrisburg. Very nice gun. I would love to shoot it under fied conditions. It is a lot harder to spec out the wind drif than it shows on the TV and their videos.
 
>Not sure why this thread went
>to an ethics issue.
>Everyone likes to hunt for
>different reason with differnent types
>of equipment. LR shooting
>is a form of hunting
>that guys and gals like
>to do. I do believe
>it is a fad and
>"Best of the West" has
>done a good job marketing
>it. Good for them. There
>is a group of hunters
>from Central PA that have
>been shooting deer over a
>mile for 20 years now.
> I am from PA
>and rarely shoot a deer
>over 100 yards. That
>being said one of my
>good PA friends shot his
>whitetail this year at 790
>yards. He hunts old
>strip mine areas and sets
>up for long range shots.
> Good for him.
>Myself I shoot 99% of
>my whitetails these days with
>the Bow. To each his
>own. We should all
>play nice in the sandbox.
>


Threads like this always do. I just think it is funny how some people just think that their way is the only and right way to do things. I would seriously hate to be a child in one of those households.

Now how about peeps get back on topic? I'd like to continue to see peoples results.
 
The thing that bothers most people is probably wounded animals, sugar coat it all you want, anytime you are hitting them in the horns or blowing their legs off, that means the recovered animal involved some luck, a horn shot the other way is a gut shot or a leg shot could easily be a lost animal. Im sure some of you could care less, and "gettin her done" is the most important thing, but I would imagine most of us feel otherwise. There are other issues, such as how non hunters view the ethics of 1000 yard shots, and the small chance animals have of surviving the constant tecnological advances of humans. And of course there will be less any weapon tags available in the future, if biologicaly sound populations of big game animals are to be maintained. Maybe its just me, but I can't help but cringe a little, when I hear about the growing popularity of ultra long range hunting.
 
>Browning A-bolt 30-06
>150 gr. factory Remington CoreLokt
>
>1995 5x5 CO Elk 515 yards...
>Base of ear(all luck, no
>skill)
>2000 WY Antelope 402 ... Frontal
>chest shot
>2002 WY Antelope 458... High Shoulder
>
>2008 CO Mule deer 488... Lung
>
> That being said, most
>other shots have been under
>350.
>
>
>P.S. 1998 CO Mule deer 2
>yards... Frontal chest shot w/
>.41 mag. Found the bullet
>mushroomed in the pelvis pone.
>Most devastating knockdown Ive seen.
>

Mule deer at 2 yards with a .41 mag??? Musta been self defense!!

Its lonely at the top.... just the way I like it.
 
Piper...I would bet the largest percentage of wounded game each year is not from guys shooting LR....I could be wrong, but the guys I know who pay lots of $ and spend lots of time at the range haven't missed or wounded any animals. I know several guys who don't spend much $ or time at the range....they have wounded and missed a few and I don't hunt with them.

Tracker12....this thread became an ethics debate because some people cannot stand not to give their opinion. They have at some point in their life became confused(the became is just for jazz.) They somehow feel that people care and want their opinion even when it is very speciffically not asked for. Most of us work through this in early adolescence with the help of our parents or someone we respect who tells us they don't care or want our opinion. When this was pointed out, several guys who had given in to the need to share their opinion said oops, sorry. I thought this was a pretty stand up thing to do.

I quit looking at this post, even though I am really interested in the same info elkslayer was looking for, after I saw the "it's a free world and I can give you my opinion even if you don't want it" post. I laughed out loud and couldn't believe that was posted as a serious post. I can re-read it and still laugh at how childish it sounds.

Thanks to all the serious posters, it's fun to see what people are using and how it's working!
 
marlin
.17 HMR
Hornady 17 gr
295 yrds
prarie dog (B&C thing was huge)
entered the chest exited the opposite back side
1/8 in entrence 3/4 in exit
never thought a .17 HMR can reach out that far and do that much damage.

sorry its nothing amazing but to me that was ridiculous

Don't pass on the first day if you would shoot it the last day
 
WOW that was a real shot, unlike your 1,000+ lobbers!

So you feel it is "ethical" to shoot game at long range but I'm unethical because I somehow stold the post! I have read many many posts on this site and guess what people veer from the original subject line all the time. Now how is that a big deal? How is that childish? Why are you then the ethics police for this site? I think what really bothers you and others is that there are lots of "real hunters" that don't like LR shooting as a way to "hunt". We are mature and well rounded enough to understand the point that LR shooting is a way for a few to try and make a quick buck on a TV show or by offering a class. We also realize that somehow this will be used in a negative fashion against our sport and it might turn some of the folks that currently don't speak out, completely against us.

So keep your head in your sand bag and shoot from thousands of yards away. Nobody has said stop, including me, nor do I really care personally. I have hunted along time and I am sure that some of the other points here are valid, like animals are wounded from 100 yards, etc. Yes it happens and nobody on this site knows if it is better or worse from 1,000 yards than 100. That was never my point. Any loss of wounded animals is bad and most hunters feel that way. I'm sure people drive their ATV's cross country chasing animals. I'm sure some drink while hunting. I'm sure some hunt in the wrong units. I'm sure some hunt without a license. Most do not and hopefully our sport can withstand all of this but the ANTI'S are winning and statistically the younger crowd is leaving our sport so at some point down the line, try and look ahead here if you can take your blinders off, and see what's coming.

So to Elkslayer I'm so sorry I changed the post a little. I will follow "Sir" Drannan's orders and never change the subject again.
 
This has been pretty entertaining. The one thing that stood out to me though, was onedryboot thinking that the Anti's don't care about how we hunt and what we use to do it with. NEVER, underestimate these groups and what you think they do not notice. They have people on the payroll that scrutinize every move hunters make. By the way, I use a .300 RUM, 200 gr Accubond, and a Leupold 4-12 that will soon wear a BDC turret. I will list no ranges for fear of self incrimination. mtmuley
 
Regardless of how advanced technology is, its only as good as the user. Practice will make you better at everything, even close shots, and it helps build confidence and experience.

I agree if you just buy a built long range rifle and think your able to make the shots, your wrong.

If you practice, practice, practice, then you'll know your limits and be capable of making further shots.

Some folks back east think a shot over 100 yards is unheard of, but even those that dont like the long range idea may be comfortable making shots at 2 or 300 yards, receiving critisism from guys that never have to shoot that far.

Back to the subject, I always lean toward the Berger bullets. I shoot them out of my WBY 257 mag, 300 RUM, Model 700 30.06, savage .243, and Ruger 22-250. I have great luck with accuracy down range compared to some other bullets. Plus, we will see a day when we will have to get away from lead bullets (like it or not), so Bergers will start you in that direction. There are other non lead bullets out there, this is just what works for me.

www.muleybulloutfitters.com
 
Mtmuley,

What I was trying to say is the anti's want it all taken away. It does not matter to them how we are killing. They just want the killing to stop.
 
havent read all the posts on this one but here is my story on a yote killin:

Remington 300RUM Model 700
Leupold VIII 4.5X14
Remington Premier Scirocco Bonded 150GR

Deer hunting in Eastern Oregon. After the 4th day of not seeing anything decent to go after we decided to go after some yotes. We had bets who would kill the first and who would get the furthest shot.

Watching a ridge across from us we ranged the area between 825-950yrds. About an hour before dark we watched a yote come out of the trees from the top and make its way down. My friend started to cow call to get him to stop...he did and BANG...it dropped right there. Ranged it again at 890. I was suprised not thinking I would hit it, but I did and guess who won that day! Oh and the prize was a case of coors lite!

muleyman
 
To those that posted the info requested, I applaud you being able to read and understand a very simple request from the original poster.

To those that chose to ignore the original question, to those who think what is on their mind is more important than what anybody else is thinking, to those who are childish in nature to actually reply several times trying to make this thread something other than one individual seeking information I think about your statements and I am reminded of a telemarketer.
You know the kind, the person you are trying to tell "NO" and they keep trying to sell you something and you finally end up hanging up on them because they are so irritating that the call becomes about them and not about what they are selling......that is exactly what has happened here.
If you can't answer the original question then show at least some maturity and stop trashing this thread. To those who refuse to show some maturity, to those childish individuals I hope at some time you will grow up and realize how rude you are being.
To the one or two people who replied and then appologized for their statements, thank you.

I have just recently purchased a new firearm, 7mm rem mag that will have a 6.5-20x44 scope on it and will be capable of long range shooting. I too am looking for this type of information.


To those that have the idea that long range hunting is not hunting, that is is somehow cheating, I ask why you use a rifle? If you want to "hunt" then pick up a bow and hunt (which my wife and I both do). You may make your own choices, but don't put your own limitations on others when it comes to what you believe to be considered hunting.

Only bullet I have ever recovered in a deer after it was shot was a 30.06 nosler partition 165gr that entered at the right front shoulder and was lodged just under the hide on the opposite rear quarter, shot distance was about 32 yards with the deer moving towards me. My longest shot has been about 100 yards.
 
It is all about practice. It is the person behind the rifle, not the gun itself. It helps to have a rifle thatsset up for longrange shooting. My dad guides hunters and I have seen many people miss at a 100 yards just because they dont practice.
A fun Coyote rifle I have is a
22-243
Its very fast load
little holes
huskuma scope witch is a great scope huge feild of view
Burger bullet
on a windy day 300 or 400 yard max
calm day it can reach out there
 
Now that's interesting. You spend most of your post on giving your ethics position not on the subject?
 
jazz I don't care to be the ethics police. Elkslayer asked several times for people to post specific information and keep the LR debate off this thread....that seems SO easy to understand,....What am I missing? Why dont you start a thread bashing LR shooting and I'll post on there also and we can have a great debate. This thread can be for people to post their setups for LR shooting and how they work....I'll see you in the new thread.
 
Remington 700 Bdl chambered in 300 wby mag
muzzle break, trigger work, glass bedded
Simms recoil pad and barrel de-resonator
swarovski 6-18x50 tds reticle
barnes tsx 168 gr. match grade handloads
NM elk -- 50 yds front shoulder -- 1 shot 200 yd trail.
NM antelope -- 375yds behind front shoulder - 1 shot 50 yd trail
Wyoming -- 356 yards coyote on gut pile -- 1 shot -- 2 gut piles
Utah Mule deer -- 575 yds -- 1 shot high shoulder -- dead there
Utah coyote (same hunt) -- 550 yds -- 1 shot -- laughed out loud
Wyoming mule deer 590 yds 1 shot high shoulder -- dead there

Watching Jazz attempt to hijack a thread he obviously should have ignored and try his ever-loving best to convince everyone that "his way" is the only right way -- PRICELESS --

------------------------------------------------------
"Yeah, I'll shoot him"
 
Ichabod? Well the name matches the brain and IQ output! Sure hope I don't get arrested or something for my priceless hijacking. Maybe you should change your name it might put your head back on!
 
>Ichabod? Well the name matches
>the brain and IQ output!
> Sure hope I don't
>get arrested or something for
>my priceless hijacking. Maybe
>you should change your name
>it might put your head
>back on!


Seriously? Don't you have something better to do? Go find another playground, your comments on this thread are getting old.
 
And yours aren't?

Your right though there is no use trying to comment intelligently on here about something that will undoubtedly turn it's ugly head on our sport and we will have idiots like you standing out in front of us wavying the banner!
 

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