2009 panguitch stats

[theox]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-13-10 AT 02:02AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-13-10 AT 02:01?AM (MST)

well checked the utardwrs harvest stats for my panguitch archery hunt and in 2008 the archery hunt was a 42 percent success rate in 2009 during my hunt it was only 8 percent! 2 people killed on the limited entry archery hunt! i blame the spike hunt! early rifle went from 81 in 2008 to 48 in 09'
i discourage anyone to put in for panguitch archery as long as the spike hunts are still in.... its no better than a open bull unit imo
glad to be the utardwrs guinea pig on the spike hunts i wont get another tag for 15-20 years.

?It takes a genius to whine appealingly.?
Mr.Whiny

 

[elkhunterUT]

I noticed those stats for Panguitch Lake and feel for the guys that burned their points on that unit. I hate the spike hunts on the LE units and especially feel bad for the archery hunters that have to contend with spike hunters and deer hunters. It makes a tough hunt ALOT tougher. Hopefully next year the dates really do get moved and the experience for bowhunters on the LE units can be improved!

 

[theox]

>I noticed those stats for Panguitch
>Lake and feel for the
>guys that burned their points
>on that unit. I
>hate the spike hunts on
>the LE units and especially
>feel bad for the archery
>hunters that have to contend
>with spike hunters and deer
>hunters. It makes a
>tough hunt ALOT tougher.
>Hopefully next year the dates
>really do get moved and
>the experience for bowhunters on
>the LE units can be
>improved!

dont think i could have said it better.i sure wish they would end the spike hunts on the l.e. i would rather see a few more big bull tags given out and maybe quality dropping slightly than seeing spike hunters rape and pillage the le units.
its just not right seeing spike hunters chasing the herds around with the mature bulls in it trying to get a crack at his cows or the spikes tagging a long sure makes limited entry an oxymoron for these hunts now! seeing how your practically hunting the same elk on the archery hunt. i feel cheated but nothing i can do about it. just hope to draw quick after my 5 year waiting period is up!

?It takes a genius to whine appealingly.?
Mr.Whiny

 

[carbonnation]

Stats were pretty poor, but I don't think that you can blame the spike hunt. Really no proof. I think it was more of a combination of weather, and timing of the hunts with the rut. The later it got, the better the hunt got. Notice the Muzzleloaders cleaned up. The rut didn't really peak until the last few days of the rifle hunt and the first part of the Muzzy hunt. Panguitch may be one of those places where if the rut is not cooking, the big boys stay holed-up.
Still, I would avoid it as well.......unless everyone else is, then you just might get lucky and sneak a tag with just a few points.

 

[HuntElk4Fun]

No proof? Did you hunt it? I was on the unit with an archery hunter... it's pathetic when you get 2 miles back in and a guy wants to chase a cow that's with a 340 bull "just to see if he can" even with a LE bowhunter going after the same bull. How about spike hunters in treestands over some great wallows or trying to call in bulls "just because". Best outfitter on the unit tells you the spike hunters "have driven them into the dark timber".

Granted, the dates were bad and Pang Lake can be tough, but I personally witnessed multiple examples of the cow/spike hunters messing up LE hunters. Pang Lake is a popular archery unit for deer hunters and the added opportunity of spike hunters really increased pressure at a new level. I personally feel it impacted this unit. Can't speak for others since I didn't experience it.

I would avoid this unit as long as you are going to have to compete.

 

[KILLERBEE]

didn't you draw that tag with 0 or 1 point? so you didn't get cheated to bad, you had a chance and it took you alot less time than normal.

but- it is a joke the way utah's dates are ran. and if you would have drawn it with max points THEN i'd be pissed. but any chance with very few points is hard to complain about.

 

[carbonnation]

I still think pinning the low numbers on the spike hunters is an emotional response that is not backed by any fact. Sure it probably contributed, but I would bet that it would have been a tough year even if they were not there. The rut just didn't happen for a lot of these hunters and they struggled. It is the only way to explain how the rifle hunters did more poorly than the muzzleloader guys. Neither of those hunts had to put up with spike hunters and the rifle guys still had a tough time.
Not to mention, that the spike hunters are not around for the last week of the archery hunt. I have hunted the manti for big bulls, so I have dealt with spike hunters, but they didn't hurt us as much as the weather and season dates. Just my opinion. If the bulls are there, then I'd put in for it this year. Archery dates go longer. If it is a problem of too many permits and too few elk, then that is a differant story.

 

[theox]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-14-10 AT 11:11PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-14-10 AT 11:10?PM (MST)

LAST EDITED ON Feb-14-10 AT 11:08?PM (MST)

killer no i had 5 pts for this hunt my moose hunt i drew in 08 was 1 pt!
so this was my 6th year puttin in. not max but still a long time.
besides even if i didnt have max points i still have to wait another 5 years to even start putting in so this stupid spike hunt cost me 11 years basically, plus whatever it takes to draw a tag again so seeing how this hunt was practically not a le hunt by the time i draw again i will be at what is considered max points in years waiting to have my chance at a real limited entry hunt. i think thats plenty to complain about!



carbonation- i know it was the spike hunts fault! without a doubt in my mind! there were so many people on that unit it was sickening.it was like a general hunt think about it people chasing cows that had a herd bull! thats the same thing as hunting the herd bull! still putting pressure on him! ive hunted deer up there for the last 5 years and you can always at least find cows and small bulls nearer to roads there was not an elk anywhere near any road after the first few days of the hunt. i scouted enough bulls out that if it wasnt the pressure doing it i would have been able to find something after opening weekend.i should have been able to pass up on elk on that unit not just go 2 weeks without seeing 1... there were even guys tying to push elk from the panguitch side across the highway to the open side for there buddies that were waiting... the reason the other hunts did good is because the muzz hunt was 3 weeks after all the archery spike hunters, then the rifle spike started and it was a few weeks after that the late hunt started so both of those hunts gave ttime to cool things down.on my hunt alot of the bulls were herded up with cows i did get into elk but could not get any shots. elk were way to stirred up. i hiked 70 miles in 5 days of hunting hiked a few miles deep by flashlight every moring and hiked out by flash light every night. im telling you this hunt was no better than an otc tag! and there is nothing else to blame it on but the spike hunt. weather can only cause so much damage but to hunt as hard as did and i know many of the other guys hunted as hard as they did and to hardly see any elk on a unit that is supposedly over objective is insane! i ran into tons of guys that had trail cams set for spike hunts. i mean the spike hunters got sooo into this hunt you would have thought they had the big bull tag... makes me sick. packing an elk out from some of the places these guys were hunting just would not be worth the effort for meat. i seriously dreaded the thought of packing out a trophy while i was back in those areas. ive never seen the elk pushed that far back before heck i dont even know where they went! they sure werent were they are on non spike hunt years
anyway have all the doubts you want but you obviously werent on that mtn competing with an archery deer hunt and otc spike hunt while trying to enjoy your limited entry hunt
i did my part scouting too! i put around 7000 miles on my truck and hundreds of miles on my boots thru summer til the end of my hunt went up 3 times a week to scout for a month and a half than somewhere around 20 days during my 26 day hunt.i had 10-12 300-350 bulls scouted out and after opening weekend the only thing left were those elk were was fw day old elk scat and hiking boot tracks.... so put yourself in my shoes see what you think of the spike hunt then! OH! and if you think you get lucky"sneaking" a tag with a few pts than really you didnt because you wasted your ''few points'' on a glorified otc tag!

?It takes a genius to whine appealingly.?
Mr.Whiny

 

[Jmeek]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-10 AT 08:30PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-10 AT 08:27?PM (MST)

I am glad to see that more people share my frustration. First off, there are not as many elk and big bulls as there used to be on this unit.but there are still some good bulls. If people don't think that spike elk hunt didn't effect the actual "hunt" itself are CRAZY! The only way that you could think that it didn't effect the hunt like it did. Is if YOU were not there! Its a LIMITED entry tag.The whole key to the tag is that its limited and should only allow a limited amount of people each year the opportunity to hunt that unit.
The ones that DREW the tags for the big bulls and will have to wait 5 years to put in again should have the first and best crack at the elk and shouldn't have to contend with spike hunters who bought their tags over the counter for only 45$. And it wasn't like it was just a few spike hunters. There were people all over the place! It looked like Black friday outside of walmart.It was insane. And thats why the stats are the way they are. You can't just drop from a 42% success rate down to 8% and just say that it was the weather and the dates. The spike elk hunt was the major factor in the dramatic drop of success for the hunters that actually have the real tags. Don't throw your points away on this unit and go after a unit where there is a better chance to kill a big bull.

 

[theox]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-10 AT 08:56PM (MST)[p]>LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-10
>AT 08:30?PM (MST)
>
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-10
>AT 08:27?PM (MST)
>
>I am glad to see that
>more people share my frustration.
>First off, there are not
>as many elk and big
>bulls as there used to
>be on this unit.but there
>are still some good bulls.
>If people don't think that
>spike elk hunt didn't effect
>the actual "hunt" itself are
>CRAZY! The only way that
>you could think that it
>didn't effect the hunt like
>it did. Is if YOU
>were not there! Its a
>LIMITED entry tag.The whole key
>to the tag is that
>its limited and should only
>allow a limited amount of
>people each year the opportunity
>to hunt that unit.
> The ones that DREW the
>tags for the big bulls
>and will have to wait
>5 years to put in
>again should have the first
>and best crack at the
>elk and shouldn't have to
>contend with spike hunters who
>bought their tags over the
>counter for only 45$. And
>it wasn't like it was
>just a few spike hunters.
>There were people all over
>the place! It looked like
>Black friday outside of walmart.It
>was insane. And thats why
>the stats are the way
>they are. You can't just
>drop from a 42% success
>rate down to 8% and
>just say that it was
>the weather and the dates.
>The spike elk hunt was
>the major factor in the
>dramatic drop of success for
>the hunters that actually have
>the real tags. Don't throw
>your points away on this
>unit and go after a
>unit where there is a
>better chance to kill a
>big bull.
>

AGREED! i really hoped they wouldnt do the spike hunt again...terrible idea!

oh and something i forgot to mention all the retards trying to call there freakin spike in making the big bulls call shy and tuck tail and run when they herd em. and may every one that have doubts about the spike hunts damage draw a tag and get there hunt ruined by the spike hunters! enjoy your so called limited entry hunt when spike hunters are chasing your big bull's herd all around h3ll!

?It takes a genius to whine appealingly.?
Mr.Whiny

 

[FishlakeElkHunter]

I do not think I have ever hear as big a WHINER as you....you tag line "MR. Whiny" is the truest statement of any of the posts that you made.

I have hunted the Fishlake all my life with the Spike hunters ALWAYS being there...and that was when your precious little Panguitch unit was closed..so there was even MORE hunters over on Fishlake....and we have always made due.

I think you are trying to blame the DWR for something that DOES NOT MATTER!!!! SHUT UP! No one is listening to you anymore!

 

[theox]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-16-10 AT 00:31AM (MST)[p]
>I do not think I have
>ever hear as big a
>WHINER as you....you tag line
>"MR. Whiny" is the truest
>statement of any of the
>posts that you made.
>
>I have hunted the Fishlake all
>my life with the Spike
>hunters ALWAYS being there...and that
>was when your precious little
>Panguitch unit was closed..so there
>was even MORE hunters over
>on Fishlake....and we have always
>made due.
>
>I think you are trying to
>blame the DWR for something
>that DOES NOT MATTER!!!! SHUT
>UP! No one is listening
>to you anymore!

wow what a tough guy!
i really dont care if anyone supposedly doesnt listen , because you sure are!so someone obviously does! and what of my posts hasnt been true?!!!dont call me a liar and ya know what dont tell me to shut up on a public forum thats ridiculous!!! it sure makes you sound like an ignorant know it all punk!
im trying to blame the dwr for something that doesnt matter?? whos fault is it'seems they just wanted more money... and it sure as heck matters to me! lucky for you, you werent the one hunting this unit and obviously didnt see what went on...ya know what!lets make things easy just dont read my posts if you dont like them its simple! Because now your being a whiny hypocrit!
you had a choice to hunt fishlake with the spike hunters! ...every unit now has spike hunting what choice did i have? OH and sooo wait...youve hunted l.e. big buulls all your life???wow your pretty amazing to draw that many tags!or are ya hunting them without a tag?how can you say there were more spike hunters ever on fishlake? im pretty sure there was more spike hunters this year statewide than ever before and im pretty sure a good portion of archers in cedar city ,st george and surrounding had been hunting on panguitch. i also ran into a few from all the way up to tremonton.
So ya know i can be, and sure gonna be bitter toward my botched limited entry hunt, i had to deal with it. you didnt throw thousands of dollars away on this hunt!, so you have no room to judge whether i am whining or my hunt really did suck like i say. obviously im pretty unhappy about it.im also trying to inform people this hunt is not a good l.e. hunt! so they dont have to have the disappointment i did.

?It takes a genius to whine appealingly.?
Mr.Whiny

 

[theox]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-16-10 AT 00:16AM (MST)[p]l

 

[PleaseDear]

70 miles in 5 days?

Alot of times hunting distance is worthless vs hunting smart.

Sorry how your hunt ended up but you must have gained some elk hunting knowledge.

Robb

 

[theox]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-16-10 AT 11:46AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-16-10 AT 10:44?AM (MST)


sorry i didnt make that very clear but what im saying as 70 miles in five days is what it took to get to where the fresh elk signs/elk i could find were located. not just aimlessly roaming around.thats includes dropping off and chasing /trying to close the gap on the few bugles i would hear,...it was also spent hiking to places that elk have always been during previous hunts,that just werent there this year ... even with "hunting smarts" your gonna have to put on miles when the elk are that stirred up and pushed that far back. of course i gained knowlegde , everytime even the best hunters hunt they gain more knowledge.
just to be clear im not whining about not killing an elk im whining from lack of opportunity on a limited entry hunt

?It takes a genius to whine appealingly.?
Mr.Whiny

 

[FishlakeElkHunter]

I am the Tough guy?????? You are the one screaming about a HUNT! Yes it is LE...but come on...it is still just a HUNT and sometimes a HUNT gets screwed up.

You crack me up, you are obviously looking for a fight and talking like the "tough guy" but you are the one that sends me a Threatening PM! It is just hunting!

The thing that is ruining hunting is the fact that guys are SOOO emotional over it. It causes way too many fights.

The last post you made actually made sense and you were talking without stepping over that ledge into crazy land!

You can spit it out....but you CAN NOT take a little criticism! So you can quit with the threatening PMs. It is not that serious man.......

And yes, I have hunted the Fishlake all of my life. Myself, many family members, many friends and just spending time up there....so you can quit calling me a poacher too.

Tough guy.....LOL

 

[theox]

i wrote that pm while heated up from your post.ill admit it was uncalled for and probably over the edge but it wasnt threatenting. thats not a little criticism you wrote about me. i think thats pretty disrespectful to write what you did on a public forum. if you dont like me have the decentsy to pm me like i did you. i was in no way trying to pick a fight with anyone on this site. i just wanted people to know the effects the spike hunt had on a otherwise good unit. this unit is not worth putting in for on archery while spike hunt is going on. i dont want people to waste there points for this hunt. ive hunted with a couple buddies on this unit in previous years and i had more fun on there hunts than mine!
there is alot of emotion for elk hunting in utah you just dont get the oppurtunity at good elk hunting every year here.i dont get the opportunity to kill one for a long time now.thats something to be emotional about! i put every possible effort i could into this hunt and just didnt get the opportunity i feel we utahns deserve for happpening to wait so long for a tag. there are plenty of units that can support archery spiek hunts like beaver and wasatch and apparently fishlake. but panguitch obviously is not one of them.there were way to many people that were hard up and wanted a chance to hunt elk even if it was a just a spike they got way dedicated you wouldnt believe how into it they got. for a unit to go from 42 percent to 8 percent thats a big difference! im sure if anyone on here hunteed on this unit in 09 they will agree with what ive said.

?It takes a genius to whine appealingly.?
Mr.Whiny

 

[huntinfanatic]

not trying to get into the cat fight just got a question for you that were not happy with ur experience, why with 2009 being the first year with spike hunters on panguitch did you apply for the hunt? i saw all the issues mentioned coming clear back when the dwr annouced the spike hunt up there. with st. george, cedar city, and panguitch all being so close you had to of seen this coming?

 

[theox]

i personally didnt think they would hunt spike as hard as they did figured most people wouldnt wanna pack a spike out 1,2even 3 miles back. i was dead wrong. i considered very seriously about turning this tag back and wish i would have.i just figured i had scouted enough bulls id get an opportunity on at least a couple. wrong again! i also figured most of the poeple hunting deer up there would be the ones with spike tags and would just kill a spike if they came across one i didnt think they would put there spike tags as first priority. wrong again! so i made the wrong guesess as to what would happen and i am paying for it now.most of the reason for this post was to warn people how crappy this hunt was and what to expect this year. not to get fights going or even play the poor me card.i dont need/want sympathy im just stating what i went thru.
Mr.Whiny

 

[huntinfanatic]

during opening weekend of the bowhunt i drove across cedar mtn and took a few detours into areas i've hunted in the past, i was in shock at the truck loads of so called bowhunters(5 or 6 guys piled into the back of trucks road hunting) and some of the camps back in there looked like small towns. there were so many more people hunting panguitch this year than the last few years. i think it will mellow out a bit this year though, with 09 being the first year it was like a gold rush up there.