ridgerunner
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Looks like some good changes may be coming,.....
WA recommendations are posted!!!!!
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muleracks2
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The wdfw pretty well answered our questions about "what kind of winter the deer are having". Looks like they will give us a 14 day rifle season and leave most of the late permits about where they were last year. The recommendations even add a few in the Okanogan units. Happy Days continue in the world of WA Monster Muleys. Multi-season permit applications are due April 5th for 1500 deer and 500 elk. Cheers.
Where do you see a 14 day season? Looks to me like Chelan and Okanogan county GMU's will be 9 days like the rest of eastern Wa. this year. Well, except for 3 units: 372, 382, and 388. They did add more late permits in more units to the south, in Kittitas and Yakima counties.
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Dugandeer
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Still too many late permits in the methow and okanogan. 10 would be plenty. Sure am glad they shortened the season too. Too may big deer are getting shot the last 4 days of the season.
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What do you mean about how they "combined some of the elk units?" It's always been that way unless you're seeing something that I'm not. I'm assuming you're talking about the Observatory, Peaches Ridge, and Goose Prairie permits?
And about the muzzleloader rules...that's the one thing I emailed them about and stated my objection against. Many people, myself included, have invested in muzzleloaders that meet the requirement of the nipple being "exposed to the elements." How is it fair to change that now, and why is it necessary? There should be some disadvantage to using a muzzleloader, that is why the muzzleloader hunters generally get better seasons than rifle hunters.
And about the muzzleloader rules...that's the one thing I emailed them about and stated my objection against. Many people, myself included, have invested in muzzleloaders that meet the requirement of the nipple being "exposed to the elements." How is it fair to change that now, and why is it necessary? There should be some disadvantage to using a muzzleloader, that is why the muzzleloader hunters generally get better seasons than rifle hunters.
Look like they made a Clockum A,B,C permit depending on weapon type. unit 328,329 are now combined like the other ones you talked about.
The Clockum permit is the only one that does not show how many permits there will be. Does that mean they don't know how many permits there will be this year.
The Clockum permit is the only one that does not show how many permits there will be. Does that mean they don't know how many permits there will be this year.
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kirkl
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Im not a big fan of the muzzleloader rule either. Those things are shooting farther and farther. Some states dont even have a ML season, but you can use one if you want. There needs to be some disadvantage to them. If you want to shoot 200 yards pick up a rifle. They get good seasons to, rut for elk hunts.
I like the more deer permits in a few of the gmu's.
I dont like that if you get drawn for a cow moose only area and get one that you can keep putting in for a bull.
I like the more deer permits in a few of the gmu's.
I dont like that if you get drawn for a cow moose only area and get one that you can keep putting in for a bull.
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JACKELOPE
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as far as the ML thing, am i reading it right??? it looks like all they changed was exposed to the elements ignition??? i am not a ML hunter but was planning on getting into it, but was waiting to see what happened with the new regs before buying a gun...
Yes, that's the only change but it's a big one. Here is the reply I got back from the WDFW this morning:
At this point the information is only a recommendation for a change, which you should also know is not etched in stone. The commission will balance the recommendation with the public testimony on the issue, as well as their personal understanding of current muzzleloading equipment restrictions.
Thank you for contacting the Wildlife Program.
Sincerely,
Customer Service
Wildlife Program
At this point the information is only a recommendation for a change, which you should also know is not etched in stone. The commission will balance the recommendation with the public testimony on the issue, as well as their personal understanding of current muzzleloading equipment restrictions.
Thank you for contacting the Wildlife Program.
Sincerely,
Customer Service
Wildlife Program
I need help with a question. I have sent two emails to the WDFW and have got no response yet.
With the new multi season permit if you are not drawn do you get a bonus point for next year?
If you are drawn can you forfit the permit before the season starts or will they make you pay the $160 when you buy your license?
( If I do draw Montana tags I don't want the multi season permit. If I don't draw MT tags then I want the multi season permit )
With the new multi season permit if you are not drawn do you get a bonus point for next year?
If you are drawn can you forfit the permit before the season starts or will they make you pay the $160 when you buy your license?
( If I do draw Montana tags I don't want the multi season permit. If I don't draw MT tags then I want the multi season permit )
I don't know the answers to those questions but I would assume that they would be using the point system for the multi weapon permit, same as they do for the other special permits. I would also think that if you did draw it, that if you chose not to buy it, they would not, or could not force you to pay for it. However, if they are in fact using the point system for this permit, you would probably lose your points.
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Dmanmastertracker
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I finally looked at them. Notice the Quilomene buck tags? Wow, even I'm surprised by that number. Really cool idea though, creating the LT Murray buck tag, I really like that. I'm also shocked at the amount of Naneum buck tags. From everything I was told, all those areas were going to be reduced. They must be anticipating good winter survival?? At any rate, they did apparently listen to us attentively.
Craig, I found some info on the site where you purchase licenses that answers at least one of your questions:
"Individuals purchasing a deer or elk multi-season special permit application available through April 9, 2006 are not required to submit hunt choices for the drawing. This special permit allows selected application holders to purchase a multi-season tag for the species indicated allowing the holder to take one animal during modern, muzzle or archery season using the respective weapon choice. The same point system used for other special hunt applications will be applied to the multi-season special permits."
"Individuals purchasing a deer or elk multi-season special permit application available through April 9, 2006 are not required to submit hunt choices for the drawing. This special permit allows selected application holders to purchase a multi-season tag for the species indicated allowing the holder to take one animal during modern, muzzle or archery season using the respective weapon choice. The same point system used for other special hunt applications will be applied to the multi-season special permits."
Bob D thanks for the info. I just got a email back today. Here is what they said.
Craig- Yes you will get a point, but it will be as a separate one from the normal points. It will accumulate for future multi season drawings only.
If you do get drawn you are not obligated to buy the tag.
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Craig- Yes you will get a point, but it will be as a separate one from the normal points. It will accumulate for future multi season drawings only.
If you do get drawn you are not obligated to buy the tag.
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ridgerunner
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I think apps are due on April 5th and they are going to let everyone know who drew by the end of April.
I think they have done a pretty good job with the recommendations, I don't agree with all of them but like alot of what I'm seeing.
Is anyone planning on going to Olympia on the 8th when these things are voted on? WE could have a little MM get together down there. I am going to try and make it.
I think they have done a pretty good job with the recommendations, I don't agree with all of them but like alot of what I'm seeing.
Is anyone planning on going to Olympia on the 8th when these things are voted on? WE could have a little MM get together down there. I am going to try and make it.
ridgerunner
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Go to WDFW, click on commission, then meeting calendar. It's actually in Tumwater. I'm going to try and go so I know what was decided on and not have to wait another month till the regs come out. WE have to wait long enough as is.
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Dmanmastertracker
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Ironhead, your right the Naneum tags are new and I did hear they might do that. What is shocking is that the Quil. tags will stay the same. Everything I heard the last few months was that there would be a large reduction, down to 35-40. I really am curious about that and am going to ask that question of DFW.
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SOMEONE PLEASE ADD A LINK!!! I CAN'T FIND WHAT YOU ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/seasonsetting/
Go about halfway down that page, and click on any of the links listed under "2006-2008 Hunting Season Recommendations."
Go about halfway down that page, and click on any of the links listed under "2006-2008 Hunting Season Recommendations."
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TFinalshot
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Maybe the Yakama's really aren't killing as many of your dear in the Quil. as many of you first alleged? Alternatively, maybe there are enough to go around. I know, I'm kind of taking this post off in the ditch, but lets keep this thread in mind when the Indian bashing starts up again.
No disrespect, sincerely,
Tony
No disrespect, sincerely,
Tony
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Shane
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Yeah I am sure that is it.
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Possumboy
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>Maybe the Yakama's really aren't killing
>as many of your dear
>in the Quil. as many
>of you first alleged?
>Alternatively, maybe there are enough
>to go around. I
>know, I'm kind of taking
>this post off in the
>ditch, but lets keep this
>thread in mind when the
>Indian bashing starts up again.
>
>
>No disrespect, sincerely,
>
>Tony
I don't know how many "dear" they have killed in the Quil. I can only speak for mine and she likes to stay closer to town. I don't even know how many deer they have killed, but they hurt the bull elk pop. though. Also, no disrespect, sincerely,
Possumboy
>as many of your dear
>in the Quil. as many
>of you first alleged?
>Alternatively, maybe there are enough
>to go around. I
>know, I'm kind of taking
>this post off in the
>ditch, but lets keep this
>thread in mind when the
>Indian bashing starts up again.
>
>
>No disrespect, sincerely,
>
>Tony
I don't know how many "dear" they have killed in the Quil. I can only speak for mine and she likes to stay closer to town. I don't even know how many deer they have killed, but they hurt the bull elk pop. though. Also, no disrespect, sincerely,
Possumboy
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Bornforhorns
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I don't understand why they got rid of the early any bull Alpine archery hunt, a whole 35 guys hunt that and take less than 10 bulls a year.
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muleyguy
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TF,
I doubt they left the quilomene buck hunt alone because the DOW suddenly found a secret population of them up there.....more likely, it is just easier to leave the season alone then have to deal with a bunch of angry sportsmen over the tribal overharvest. My guess is that it was purely a political decision; leave the season alone, and the heat comes off of them. So, once again a decisions is made based not on the health of the herd, but rather what was politically easiest. Too bad....
Unfortunately, you seem to think that indian harvesting of game animals outside of the reservation is absoutely no problem. I wish I would have had my camera with me at the Sportsmen Show in Yakima several weeks ago.......they have an antler scoring area where local people can bring in their heads and have them scored. Interestingly, each head has a tag attached to it that provides the name of the hunter, year harvested, and area harvested, and the final score.
So, it is kind of fun, you can look at where the animal was harvested, what year, and who harvested it. Well, it looks like the "Whitefoot" brothers from White Swan had a pretty good year in the Colocklum......looked like two brothers, the take for 2006 was 5 bulls between them, scores ranged from 312 to 360. Looked like they were pretty proud of them, all lined up one after the other.
It was pretty obvious that they hadn't been harvested for too long judging from the hair and tissue still on the skull plates. Who knows how many others they have shot that they didn't bother to bring down to the show.
So, call me a little jaded...........sorry, but tribal hunting is a problem, and it isn't going to get any better until the tribal apologists in the world admit there is a problem.
I doubt they left the quilomene buck hunt alone because the DOW suddenly found a secret population of them up there.....more likely, it is just easier to leave the season alone then have to deal with a bunch of angry sportsmen over the tribal overharvest. My guess is that it was purely a political decision; leave the season alone, and the heat comes off of them. So, once again a decisions is made based not on the health of the herd, but rather what was politically easiest. Too bad....
Unfortunately, you seem to think that indian harvesting of game animals outside of the reservation is absoutely no problem. I wish I would have had my camera with me at the Sportsmen Show in Yakima several weeks ago.......they have an antler scoring area where local people can bring in their heads and have them scored. Interestingly, each head has a tag attached to it that provides the name of the hunter, year harvested, and area harvested, and the final score.
So, it is kind of fun, you can look at where the animal was harvested, what year, and who harvested it. Well, it looks like the "Whitefoot" brothers from White Swan had a pretty good year in the Colocklum......looked like two brothers, the take for 2006 was 5 bulls between them, scores ranged from 312 to 360. Looked like they were pretty proud of them, all lined up one after the other.
It was pretty obvious that they hadn't been harvested for too long judging from the hair and tissue still on the skull plates. Who knows how many others they have shot that they didn't bother to bring down to the show.
So, call me a little jaded...........sorry, but tribal hunting is a problem, and it isn't going to get any better until the tribal apologists in the world admit there is a problem.
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TFinalshot
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I never said that there was NO problems with Treaty hunting off the reservation. However, the U.S.A, in good faith or bad, signed the Yakama Treaty of 1855 and in that Treaty the Yakama's reserved the right to fish and hunt off the reservation. Now, you may not like it, and you may even think that it's a bad treaty, but accroding to the constitution of the United States, treaties are the, "suprem Law of the Land," Article VI, U.S. Consitution.
Moroever, there are certain limits to harvest, and the State, has the authority to object to harvest if it's shown to have a detrimental impact on the herd.
Piece.
Moroever, there are certain limits to harvest, and the State, has the authority to object to harvest if it's shown to have a detrimental impact on the herd.
Piece.
The state can object all they want. The Yakima tribe don't care. I saw a quote in a yakima paper that the tride pretty much said " get over it".
The Colockum herd needs some help. Permit numbers are going down. About two years ago they changed archery season to spike only. No more cow hunting caused a lot of people to hunt other places.
The Colockum herd needs some help. Permit numbers are going down. About two years ago they changed archery season to spike only. No more cow hunting caused a lot of people to hunt other places.
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muleyguy
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TF, I have no problem with the Treaty, the USA signed it, and the courts have upheld it....no fight with me on that. I am not arguing the legality of it.
In reality, we both know that for all intents and purposes, tribal members can do what they want in these areas, local prosecutors and the state DOW have taken a hands off approach. Just because the DOW is not doing anything does not mean that there isn't a problem.
What I object to is being labeled a racist everytime I bring this issue up. The fact is that in many units surrounding the Yakama indian nation, there have been tribal harvest problems. That is not some redneck racist comment, it is fact backed up by private DOW comments and changing of unit regulations (gmu 342) because of the problems.
The issue is not about the law, the tribe has won. Only the tribe has influence/jurisdiction over its members in this area, so the tribe is the one that has to step up to solve the problem,and obviously, that does not seem to be happening.
In reality, we both know that for all intents and purposes, tribal members can do what they want in these areas, local prosecutors and the state DOW have taken a hands off approach. Just because the DOW is not doing anything does not mean that there isn't a problem.
What I object to is being labeled a racist everytime I bring this issue up. The fact is that in many units surrounding the Yakama indian nation, there have been tribal harvest problems. That is not some redneck racist comment, it is fact backed up by private DOW comments and changing of unit regulations (gmu 342) because of the problems.
The issue is not about the law, the tribe has won. Only the tribe has influence/jurisdiction over its members in this area, so the tribe is the one that has to step up to solve the problem,and obviously, that does not seem to be happening.
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Bornforhorns
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Wow!!! Of all the redneck comments I have to read on this site and the ignorant comments that are made by guys run over by emotion rather than good sense, that is one of the most intelligent statements I've ever read on here. Copy it and send it to the DOW and Tribe. Nice one Muleyguy, couldn't of said it any better.
