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"I am not sure, but I don't believe you can even own land in England, it is either leased or rented from land barons.
Why should we go down the same path as England? I think private ownership is ten times better than government ownership."
Ahhhhh, does anyone smell the irony in this. . .? I'm either missing your point, or your statement is illogical, or maybe both. . . . So which way is better, all private, or all public? If it's private, aren’t we right back to the "land barons" scenario that you describe? I'm confused by your logic. . .
Forget the constitution and I will forgive you for confusing it with other old documents. . . LOL
I think if youre unable to make the conection between wildlife, like deer and elk, public land, and the commons, than obviously nothing I have said or will say will make any differenc to you. Where are you from anyway?
Look, the point is that we in the west don’t like to be controlled by our neighbors, no matter who they are. Moreover, most of us dont like the thought of a selling off what we feel is our lifestyle - open access to our public resources. The western land heritage makes this country unique and special among most all other nations in the world. Most people that are for the sale of everything already own a bunch of it, or wont ever get a chance to buy it, or see it, or be on it, so they don’t really care what happens to it.
As a matter of history, shortly after settling in America our founding fathers recognized the dangers and inequities of the European wildlife management model. In the old country wildlife was considered the property of the landowner and only the privileged could hunt “the kings deer”. From our very beginning we recognized that part of the freedoms in America must include the premise that wildlife is a public resource, available to all Americans regardless of income or social status.
1683 – William Penn’ Charter for the Commonwealth included the right of the average man to hunt and fish on all lands not enclosed for livestock
1842 – The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of the New Jersey oystermen in an argument by the landowner that he owned the oysters stuck in the mud of his property. Part of that decision was the granting of sovereignty of the waterways, the soil, and the wildlife in them to the people of each state
1905 – President Teddy Roosevelt writes: Public rights comes first and private interests second
Roosevelt outlaws commercial hunting, initiates the concept of “public Lands” and promotes the basic practices of sustainable wildlife management
Subsequent court rulings and laws have refined the unique American wildlife management system: Wildlife is held in trust by the state, managed by state wildlife agencies, for the benefit of the public, who collectively own it
Wildlife is a Public Trust Resource - With a history going back to Roman law the simple concept of Public Trust is that certain resources are so important for a society that they must be held in trust and managed for the benefit of all citizens. Putting up a fence that blocks movement of wildlife violates public trust doctrine by stealing a public resource and recreating the elitism of old Europe.
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