How many arces are needed?

24_7hunter · Mar 28, 2006

LAST EDITED ON Mar-29-06 AT 05:06AM (MST)[p]My grandpa and I are going hunting in region A wyoming in november and I found a ranch with a $100 trespass fee. The owner said they see lots of deer but dont know if they will be around during season. They also dont really limit the number of hunters but they own about 4000 acres. How many people Is that enough land for? If we decide to go there and there are lots of other hunters, what should we do? Walk away from the roads? Would it be better to hunt this place or hunt a larger piece of public lans where you could walk and walk and walk without many roads? Thanks

contender · Mar 29, 2006

He doesn't know if there will be deer on his place during hunting season? If it is treeless and flat you can hunt it with a spotting scope.

sheepeater · Mar 29, 2006

Not very much land especially if he is not limiting the numbers.

ICMDEER · Mar 29, 2006

I'd be sure to get a good map of the forest service. There's lots of forest service land in A and it looks to me like after about 2 days, you are going to be hunting there. But don't despair, there are some good areas and yese - you need to get away from the roads.

utrednek · Mar 29, 2006

I agree 4000 acres out west isn't much. If I was running hunters on that little realestate I would't put more than 2 guys out at a time.

Shawn

madmike · Mar 29, 2006

Buyer beware, this does not sound good. He seems to be on the low end of tresspass fees, that's not alot of land, and no limits on the hunters I'd say he's right about not knowing if the deer will be on his property or not. I hunted on a 4000 acre ranch ONCE, only 50% of the property was deer habitat. The rest was good for antelope. These guys booked 4/5 hunters a week and we would be running all over each other. If your determined to do this ask him for references sucessful and non sucessful. Just my 2 cents as a NR hunter who's been burned.

BuckSnort · Mar 29, 2006

To many red flags on that deal.How can he not know if there will be deer there during hunting season.I would look elsewhere.

Cornhusker · Mar 29, 2006

Bad deal walk away from it and look elsewhere. I hunted a ranch in Wyoming for years it had 15,000 acres and was great with 6 to 9 hunters, when the rancher got desperate for money and put 20 on it one year it all went sour in a year. The pressure moved most of the antelope and deer to his neighbors except for yearling bucks and a few does. It does make a difference how heavily it is timbered or if the terrain is rough but I don't think this is a good idea.

Gator · Mar 29, 2006

Any landowner worth his salt will know what is on his land during hunting season(even if he don't hunt) unless he's blind and don't have any animals on the place, I would pass this place up quick, you can always drive by there the day before the season and check it out and still pay and get on if he's not limiting hunters.

org · Mar 29, 2006

In fairness to the rancher, his property might be winter range and not hold many deer until it snows up high. There's no way he can predict the first heavy snow...even the local weatherman doesn't know a week ahead. It could be feast or famine, like many places in the west.

24_7hunter · Mar 29, 2006

He never really said he didnt know where the deer would be, he said he couldnt guarantee deer being on his property during season. he said he has some of the same people hunt there every yaer and some newcomers. I met a guy who has lived in newcastle in region a all his life an he said he would show us some public spots there the day before season. He sent me some pics of the deer he shot off public land in region A. Pretty nice bucks. Would hunting on large tracts of public land be the better option if we find some bucks and only a few people? He told us some spots of state land that people overlook because it is small or really rough country but hold some nice deer.

GONHUNTIN · Apr 1, 2006

in that case i wouldnt pay the tresspass fee, I would hunt PUBLIC

cabinfever · Apr 1, 2006

If the guy is charging any fee at all he needs to let you know what to expect. I disagree with most who have posted, 4000 acres is a ton of ground to cover, but how much of it has deer on it is the real question. If you have 4000 acres to share with 5 guys there is plenty of room for everyone IMO

Mike

SMELLYBUCK · Apr 2, 2006

I agree with cabin. 4000 acres is over 6 square miles of ground to hunt. It would be impossible to hunt the entire thing thoroughly during your entire hunt. I question if people have scouted much if they think they think 6 miles sq is small amount to assess (or they are really good). You might be able to see the entire property but you will have to hurry and will not be able to spend much time glassing if you want to see the whole thing. Just ask the guy what kind of vegetation is there. If you know anything about mule deer hunting you will know by the vegetation if there are deer there and when. $100 is a fair price to hunt someones land. That will help them with their property tax. Don't ignore the public lands. Wyoming has great public hunting.

SMELLYBUCK · Apr 2, 2006

I hunted an area that was about 10 square miles when I was younger in Southern Utah. The guy charged most people $100. About 100 people would hunt it - mostly Californians. It was a good balance. The place wasn't packed but there were enough people to keep the deer moving.

Skunkterd · Apr 2, 2006

If you even see a deer for $100 then you got your moneys worth

sheepeater · Apr 2, 2006

Yeah but you are talking about Region A in Wyoming you could scout 4000 acres from one hilltop in that region or it could be ponderosa country, best to find out what the terrain is like and call a few guys who have hunted it before.