S.C.I. World Record.

fatrooster

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In the May/June issue of "Muley Crazy" magazine I saw that Jason Gisi took the new SCI world record typical mule deer in Sonora, Mexico. Why is this not the new Boone & Crocket world record also? fatrooster.
 
it's not B&C's new world record because it is not even close.

JB"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
--Benjamin Franklin 1759
 
Dallan you're right, SCI will allow about anything thier book. farm raised , zoo raised it doesn't matter as long as it's dead. and there are no deducts also. a lot of outfitters use SCI because the score is more impressive.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-29-06 AT 10:35PM (MST)[p]S.C.I. is a joke when it comes to scoring. They lose their credibilty(did I spell that right SPAZ?) by allowing pets, farm and zoo animals in their record book.
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had just two days to scout for mule deer in Mexico and there I was, staring at one of the biggest bucks I have ever seen. The season was already over but I knew that even though I was looking at this buck from a great distance, the size of his antlers would not soon be forgotten.

What is it like hunting in Mexico? It is tough. I have been down there about five years now hunting for myself and with friends. I have helped Augustin Hurtado, the outfitter, with his coues deer with really good results. The coues deer in Mexico are phenomenal - especially in those places that haven't been traditionally hunted for coues deer. However, mule deer are my passion and they are what I have hunted more of in the states than anything. I have never felt totally comfortable hunting mule deer in Mexico, however, because your odds are very tough. There are a lot of factors going against you. Because you are in a different country, you can't buzz down there and scout every other week or after work and I just never felt like I was able to get into prime mule deer country. In the process of the last three or four years I have looked at a ton a places. Augustin had kept telling me about a place his father had, a small place where they have seen some tracks in the past. I never took it too seriously because it was a small area. He finally persuaded me to go check it out.

It was February 2004 and after the rut hunts. The property has a few ridges that you can get up really high in elevation and glass a lot of country ? which is uncommon in Mexico. I ended up glassing a big buck about a mile away. All I could tell was that the buck was extremely wide, heavy, and a huge frame-type deer. There were two bucks in the group with a couple of does. It was very hard to tell what was what through the thick brush. I thought I could see an in-line point in the back fork of this deer once in a while from the side. Of course, when he turned at me I could see that he was huge, wide, and heavy. Score didn't matter on this one. One look and I immediately knew that this was a huge mule deer.

Jason Gisi is a great friend of mine and we live in the same Arizona town. It is not your typical client relationship. In the past Jason has hunted at Augustin?s ranch and I told Jason that I thought he ought to book this mule deer hunt. I told him I was going to help Augustin book these hunts and that this might be a great opportunity. There was a big buck on this property and that although we might end up not shooting anything, there was a chance.
When I returned to the ranch with Matt, one of my coworkers, in January of 2005 it was five days before the hunt started. The ranch has a beautiful courtyard and they had three giant sheds hanging in the palo verdes. They had two years of sheds from this great typical that I had spotted the year before. The recent set of sheds from the buck rough scored around 210 to 215 typical. However, there was another shed that had a huge in-line point that scored 105 non-typical as a single. This was definitely from a non-typical buck. After looking at these sheds, I came to realize more of what I was seeing the year before on my scouting trip. I kept thinking that the huge typical may have had an in-line point; but, what I was really seeing was both the typical and this non-typical buck hanging out together on the same ridge following the does. I thought I was just seeing one buck, but in reality I was seeing two big bucks together.

For three days we hiked a tall ridge looking for the big typical leading up to opening morning. However, there was no sign of this buck or any buck for that matter. We were still seeing the does, but the big buck must have moved out of the area. I decided to look at another ranch that Augustin had as a back-up plan. To our surprise we saw a lot of activity with a lot of great bucks rutting with the does. When I got back I gave Jason a call to give him a report on what we were seeing. I told him that the ranch we were planning on hunting did not look too good. However, we knew that there had been a big buck in there and, with the sheds that had been found, I felt that regardless of what we had not been seeing in that area, we still needed to concentrate our efforts there. I decided that we had to hunt this area no matter what. Jason agreed and told me he was willing to do whatever I thought was best. It might have sounded crazy, but I felt the ?huntability? of this ranch was also a plus. The tall ridge provided us with an amazing amount of country to glass. If there was a big buck in the area, we could get on him and have the advantage. Hunting Mexico can be so difficult with the flat terrain and tall brush that I felt this unique area granted us some good advantages. If that buck showed up I felt confident we could get a good chance at him.

Jason arrived the night before the opener. Opening morning we made the 45-minute hike up the tall ridge and got set up. I looked down below me to find the same does that had been there every day before. But, to my amazement, the buck had suddenly joined them as well. We couldn't believe it. We quickly ranged the does at 800 yards. We moved over to the crest of the ridge so we could look straight down at them. This was not an easy task as the hill was very steep with loose rock. Fortunately we got to the crest undetected. The does were slowly feeding our way, parallel to the mountain range. We ranged the distance to the does again and they were 380 yards away. We sat still for a minute and I told Jason that I wanted to see what the does were going to do. We could have shot the buck from there, but it was really, really steep and I wanted to make sure we put this buck on the ground. Having been in this situation before with Jason, I am continually amazed at his ability to focus and concentrate enough to get the job done. This time was no different. After three to four minutes the does started appearing out of the brush in our direction. A doe and a fawn peeled off from the main group of does and the buck followed them. This was to our advantage because it eliminated about eight sets of eyes potentially watching our every move. We were in a very vulnerable situation with not much cover and the noise of the rocks under our feet. One thing I did not want to happen was let this buck get out into the flats below and have to try and trail him.

As soon as the doe and fawn came into the clearing, the trailing buck went into a thick arroyo to cross over towards them. This was our chance. We blew down the hill as fast as we could - even with loose rocks finding their way down the hill. It seemed more like a sheep hunt than a mule deer hunt with the steep rocky hill we were descending and with very little control. We quickly set up and waited for the buck to appear. We were both filled with a lot of anxiety at this moment, but we got down to business and knew that this was the time to put it all together.

The rangefinder read 247 yards to the tree we expected the buck to pass by. Jason was preparing himself to make the shot of a lifetime on a buck of a lifetime. This is where the experience of two guys hunting together for years really paid off. We worked together on focusing on the deer coming through and we both realized what needed to be done. Before I knew it, the buck was out in the open and broadside. The blast from Jason?s rifle sealed the moment and the huge buck dropped on the first shot.

After a short celebration, we quickly made our way down to the buck. The entire time we were hiking down to the buck, we were mesmerized by the sheer size and beauty of the animal. I could tell Jason was taken back by the whole experience. He took his time getting to the buck. Stopping about thirty yards away in disbelief, Jason showed what hunting is all about. His appreciation for this buck and the experience it offered was not overlooked and he soaked it up during his slow approach to the downed buck.

Later, the rest of the party arrived on the scene. We took our time taking photos and also taking care of the buck and the meat. With all of the excitement and the thrill of the experience, the score of this buck did not matter. It wasn?t until we got the buck back to the ranch that we decided to put a tape measure to the antlers. The outside spread measured 35-inches and, as we added up our numbers, we came up with a rough score of 215 typical. However, we later realized an error in our addition. The next day I just couldn't reconcile myself with the score of 215, I was surprised that this buck wasn?t bigger than that. The enormous size of the buck?s antlers seemed to justify a bigger number ? if that could be possible. We had to measure the buck again. This time we didn't forget to carry the one in our addition and we came up with 225. We measured it again and got the same number. Now things got serious. We could be looking at one of the biggest typicals ever. The buck was eventually scored by a master SCI (Safari Club International) scorer at 221 3/8 typical SCI. Jason?s great Mexico buck is the new world record SCI typical mule deer.

The events that lead to harvesting this magnificent animal were not overshadowed by the great experience of a hunter who really respects the outdoors and beauty of these animals.

For inquiries about hunting Mexico?s great coues deer and mule deer and also all big game species in Arizona contact Vaquero Outfitters at 928-771-8153 .
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That's a fantastic deer, I wonder why they don't give a B&C score? it looks like the gross and net would be very close.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-30-06 AT 08:59AM (MST)[p]Rumor has it the hunter has chosen not to enter it into B&C. It was scored by a B&C measurer at around 206-207, I believe, which would put it somewhere around 50th on the B&C list. Perhaps the reason it is the SCI record is that not many people enter their trophies into SCI (at least North American game). It is a very nice buck, though, just not World Record class. Sure wouldn't pass him up.
 
I am a B&C measurer and SCI isn't always the same at all. first off there are no deducts with SCI which I kind of agree with. but on some animals like moose you double some of the numbers for reasons I can't explain other than to make you feel good. my real gripe with SCI is fair chase means nothing to them, but they do some good in the political area. I would sure enter that buck in B&C if it were mine, it was taken fair chase and that gets more respect from me than a 300" SCI pen raised deer.
 

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