Genetic Manipulation

[cowslayer]

Here is a question I got thinking about as I was turkey hunting.

"What deer units if bred together would produce the New World Record?"

My vote is if you could take a 1/4 Paunsagaunt, 1/4 Henry Mtn, 1/4 Bookcliff and 1/4 AZ Strip, that would probably make for a pretty genetically superior buck. I forgot to add a little antelope island for spice.

Anyway what's your personal thoughts. What gene pool do you think would take it over the top.

Here was another thought, should the DWR be trapping/transplanting to strengthen genetics and reduce inbreeding?

CS

 

[Roy]

Now that's a good mix - but actually - it might water it down - homgenous gene pools tend to be more dominant and prolific. It would probably be the third or fourth generation of the BEST gene pool available - which in my book would probably be the Paunsagaunt.

To answer your second question - hunting is the best answer to inbreeding. The more bucks taken out of a given population results in the does moving to another population to breed. Though in areas like Antelope Island - transplanting might be the only solution plausible if that ever occurred. However the population seems to regulate itself.

Good question to toss around in the noggin while waiting for a tom!

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)

 

[Kirby]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-12-06 AT 05:04PM (MST)[p] You would have better luck picking prime bucks from a given area and controlled cross with Does that were known to be fathered by other large bucks/healthy does. The Genes for sepeate pools wouldn't neccisarly result in gentically supperior bucks.
IF you picked select bucks with selected trates, IE, Wide and then cross it to Deep Forks. Regardless of area it could be benefitial, but that would also depend on the coding genes, and inhibitors locations, and if they cause interference. Could be a intersting Study for a genetist.

As to transpanting, bad idea. Different areas have certain traits for a reason, an AZ desert buck wouldn't make it through the winters of mountains, and a mountain raised buck would have issues in the desert, etc. Also you would have to worry about Disease moving around then.

Kirby

When in doubt, floor it.

Diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggy" until you find a big stick.

 

[sjhgraysage]

Maybe throw in some Uncompaghre and San Juan Colorado genetics and you have some winners.

 

[BigChicken]

Defiantly fun to think about.

The cattle industry uses selective breeding and gets amazing results. Dairy cows give twice the milk they did a couple of decades ago and beef cattle are always being manipulated to meet the market demand. Just think what could be done with antlers (insert daydream here).

The cattle industry relies heavily on select superior individuals so, like kirby suggested, the same would be true for deer. You could grow some amazing bucks but it would need to be in a controlled environment with select individuals. It already happens in the wild, just on a smaller, slower scale.

I love looking at the book "Utah's Biggest Bucks" and seeing the similarity between bucks. The Ashton buck and the Bailey bucks are just amazing non-typicals. Based on their similar antler configuration and that they were shot in the same general area, in the same time period, you have to believe they are either father/son, brothers, or related somehow. Anyway, if you could find a few bucks like that and build up a "herd" of amazing individuals then release those into a free roaming population, that would be cool.

I think the their already raising some huge whitetails on private deer farms, but you can be it would never be done publically.

I love the giant typicals that came from the Monticello area back in the 70's, wonder if any of those genes are still out there?

 

[HullinPhx]

If I was building my dream deer it would be 1/3 Desert Mexico Muley, 1/3 AZ Strip Muley, and 1/3 BC Monster Muley..

That fellas would be my dream deer

John

 

[MulePacker]

I believe I would simply take a buck from the Idaho Wyoming border between the Utah state line and the snake river. Let it grow to be 8 yrs. old. Can you imagine if they limited this hunt to 50 bucks a year it would put everywhere to shame. Even as it is it still produces a fair share of MM's each year.

 

[Chef]

Now waht aubot imimgatiorn sutats if it wree 1/3rd Mcixeo meluy?



Chef
"I Love Animals...They're Delicious!"

 

[peakfreak]

I agree with John 1/2 Az strip and 1/2 Sanora Mex. Then plant them close to home.

 

[ICMDEER]

I feel like you'd need to have two pools; one for typical nad one for nontypical. I'd say the typical would come from Eagle County Colorado, Rio Arriba County New Mexico and Lincoln County Wyoming. The nontypical would be a cross between southern Utah, The Arizona strip, Alberta and British Columbia.

If we decide to do this, I volunterr to be the breeder. That would be one cool job!