What does a 7.7 year old elk look like
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swbuckmaster
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by 6 years old they should show you their genetic potential. Age really doesnt have alot to do with antler size except they need to be mature.
So to answer your question 7 years is a mature elk and it could have 280 horns or over 400" horns it just depends on the elk.
Nets are for fish!!
So to answer your question 7 years is a mature elk and it could have 280 horns or over 400" horns it just depends on the elk.
Nets are for fish!!
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I am not a Biologist, but in most of the units in Utah, an average 7.7 year old bull will be in the 350-450 range. As the last post mentioned, the genetics of the individual elk and the weather/food year will help determine how big he gets. That being said, any unit that has an average age class of 7.7 will have some bulls around the fabled 400 mark... Look at the big bulls on this site or use google, that should give you a good idea of what you want to take.
Congrats and good luck...
Congrats and good luck...
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B_BOP_A_LU_LU
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Hold on there sw!
Age does play a part in potential!
The DWR wants a 4.5 average age objective which is total BS!
hoytme even wants an age objective lower than the DWR,WTF?
Age does play a part in potential!
The DWR wants a 4.5 average age objective which is total BS!
hoytme even wants an age objective lower than the DWR,WTF?
Age is 1 of several important characters that can produce whopper bull antlers. A 7-9 year old bull w/horrible genetics may never score over 320 while a 6 year old bull in an area with great genetics, super nutition, and feed may score 360. An 8 year old bull that had a tough winter with horrible spring precip may not grow very good antlers in the upcoming summer compared to an 8 year old bull that had a mild winter and super wet spring. There are lots of factors; however, if you are hunting a unit w/7-8 year old ave bulls you should have a thrilling hunt! Here in Colo the average bull in most units is around 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 years old!
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Swbuck is spot on genetics genetics genetics! Age is only a small part of the antler growth equation! I have a 8 year old bull on my wall that only grosses 263, and a 7 year old bull that grosses just under 374! Elk are like people, not every mans going to to reach 6 ft tall because he's getting older!
I just call em as I see em!
I just call em as I see em!
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hoytme
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A bull hits peak antler growth between the ages of 6-10 years of age. But remember, PAY ATTENTION BESSY, harvest age averages only tell you the age of bulls HARVESTED not the age of bulls living nor the antler size of those living. Many factors affect harvest age averages; escapement options, available feed/water, previous winter conditions, physical condition of the bulls heading into the winter months, the number of permits issued, and genetics. Drawing a conclusion on the caliber of bull you can expect based off of harvest age averages is like sticking your toe in the water at the beach and expecting to know what the water temperature is 4 miles out and 1000' feet down.
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hoytme
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>The DWR wants a 4.5 average
>age objective which is total
>BS!
>hoytme even wants an age objective
>lower than the DWR,WTF?
First, the DWR does NOT want a "4.5 average". Read the Elk Management Plan before spouting off nonsense. On SOME Limited Entry units that harvest age objective is 4.5, but on MOST Limited Entry units the harvest age objectives are HIGHER than 4.5, with SOME being as high as 8.0.
Second, don't say what I want unless you actually know what I want, and if you know what I want be accurate is saying what it is.
>age objective which is total
>BS!
>hoytme even wants an age objective
>lower than the DWR,WTF?
First, the DWR does NOT want a "4.5 average". Read the Elk Management Plan before spouting off nonsense. On SOME Limited Entry units that harvest age objective is 4.5, but on MOST Limited Entry units the harvest age objectives are HIGHER than 4.5, with SOME being as high as 8.0.
Second, don't say what I want unless you actually know what I want, and if you know what I want be accurate is saying what it is.
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B_BOP_A_LU_LU
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No Pro,You pay attention!
With 'your' type of management & the DWR's Management You'll soon see a 320" PISSCUTTER a big bull in all the LE Elk Units again!
Did you not state on the Radio show Pro/hoytme you & your group of buddies want the age objectives even lower than the DWR's proposal?
We know what produces BIG BULLS in LE units,it's a combination of several things,PISS POOR GREEDY Management ain't any of them!
Gotta yank your chain there once in a while Pro just to see if you're paying attention?
I'm willing to place a money bet with you Pro on the future of Utah's LE Elk units,you bettin or pussin out?
With 'your' type of management & the DWR's Management You'll soon see a 320" PISSCUTTER a big bull in all the LE Elk Units again!
Did you not state on the Radio show Pro/hoytme you & your group of buddies want the age objectives even lower than the DWR's proposal?
We know what produces BIG BULLS in LE units,it's a combination of several things,PISS POOR GREEDY Management ain't any of them!
Gotta yank your chain there once in a while Pro just to see if you're paying attention?
I'm willing to place a money bet with you Pro on the future of Utah's LE Elk units,you bettin or pussin out?
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Here's a yearling bull with great potential. Ha Ha. I imagine this bull is in the 7 to 8 year old age class, but that is simply a guess.
Have a good one. BB
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hoytme
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"Did you not state on the Radio show Pro/hoytme you & your group of buddies want the age objectives even lower than the DWR's proposal?"
On SOME units, not ALL units.
"We know what produces BIG BULLS in LE units,it's a combination of several things,PISS POOR GREEDY Management ain't any of them!"
Apparently YOU don't, based on your words of 'wisdom' on the subject at hand.
"Gotta yank your chain there once in a while Pro just to see if you're paying attention?"
"I'm willing to place a money bet with you Pro on the future of Utah's LE Elk units,you bettin or pussin out?"
What's the bet, and how specific do you want to get?
On SOME units, not ALL units.
"We know what produces BIG BULLS in LE units,it's a combination of several things,PISS POOR GREEDY Management ain't any of them!"
Apparently YOU don't, based on your words of 'wisdom' on the subject at hand.
"Gotta yank your chain there once in a while Pro just to see if you're paying attention?"
"I'm willing to place a money bet with you Pro on the future of Utah's LE Elk units,you bettin or pussin out?"
What's the bet, and how specific do you want to get?
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B_BOP_A_LU_LU
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I'll place a bet with you Pro that if you or the UDWR gets your/their GREEDY ways the average Bulls taken on LE Units will be nothing more than a bunch of PISSCUTTERS in the very near future!
Oh and to answer "What does a 7.7 year old elk look like"?
That would be an elk twice the age of any elk living under the UDW's or Pro's management in the near future!
Oh and to answer "What does a 7.7 year old elk look like"?
That would be an elk twice the age of any elk living under the UDW's or Pro's management in the near future!
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elk_horn
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In 1992 I shot a 300 bull that was 8 years old my Hunting buddy shot 350 bull that was 4 1/2 years old go figure! Both in the same unit!
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hoytme
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>In 1992 I shot a
>300 bull that was 8
>years old my Hunting buddy
>shot 350 bull that was
>4 1/2 years old go
>figure! Both in the same
>unit!
One of the MANY flaws with managing elk to harvest age averages.
>300 bull that was 8
>years old my Hunting buddy
>shot 350 bull that was
>4 1/2 years old go
>figure! Both in the same
>unit!
One of the MANY flaws with managing elk to harvest age averages.
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hoytme
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"I'll place a bet with you Pro that if you or the UDWR gets your/their GREEDY ways the average Bulls taken on LE Units will be nothing more than a bunch of PISSCUTTERS in the very near future!"
If/when that happens I will make the bet in a New York minute!
"Oh and to answer "What does a 7.7 year old elk look like"?
That would be an elk twice the age of any elk living under the UDW's or Pro's management in the near future!"
This paragraph shows a lack of understanding how this all works. A Limited Entry unit that has a HARVEST age average of 7.7 does NOT mean ever bull on the unit, or even every bull killed on the unit is a 7.7 year old bull. Just as a Limited Entry unit that has a HARVEST age average of 4.7 doesn't mean all the bulls on the unit, or even every bull killed on the unit are 4.7 or younger bulls.
Anyone that applies for a unit based on the harvest age averages is making a HUGE mistake. There so many other variables to consider that basing it on a misleading bit of info to begin with is going to likely lead one to make an unwise choice.
If/when that happens I will make the bet in a New York minute!
"Oh and to answer "What does a 7.7 year old elk look like"?
That would be an elk twice the age of any elk living under the UDW's or Pro's management in the near future!"
This paragraph shows a lack of understanding how this all works. A Limited Entry unit that has a HARVEST age average of 7.7 does NOT mean ever bull on the unit, or even every bull killed on the unit is a 7.7 year old bull. Just as a Limited Entry unit that has a HARVEST age average of 4.7 doesn't mean all the bulls on the unit, or even every bull killed on the unit are 4.7 or younger bulls.
Anyone that applies for a unit based on the harvest age averages is making a HUGE mistake. There so many other variables to consider that basing it on a misleading bit of info to begin with is going to likely lead one to make an unwise choice.
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B_BOP_A_LU_LU
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Here's what it basically means!
If the DWR/Pro get the age objectives lowered to 4-4.5 and in the following years the average age of the Bulls are slightly higher than the 4-4.5 objective they will issue more tags to satisfy the opportunists!
As I stated several years ago Pro:
If you had got your own types of LE Units set-up you'd now be doing some major PISSCUTTIN in your own type of managed units!
Still ain't figured out why you didn't do it?
Destroying the quality of LE Elk Units over nothing more than GREED & whinning opportunists is TOTAL BULLSSHIT!
If the DWR/Pro get the age objectives lowered to 4-4.5 and in the following years the average age of the Bulls are slightly higher than the 4-4.5 objective they will issue more tags to satisfy the opportunists!
As I stated several years ago Pro:
If you had got your own types of LE Units set-up you'd now be doing some major PISSCUTTIN in your own type of managed units!
Still ain't figured out why you didn't do it?
Destroying the quality of LE Elk Units over nothing more than GREED & whinning opportunists is TOTAL BULLSSHIT!
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frkybugleboy
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Well Jimbow,
Looks like the two town bully's hijacked your thread. It's nice to see Pro and Bess still trying to measure up. I wonder who really has the biggest..........truck! Always entertaining watching the kids at play don't you think? "but I don't want to grow up"
+1 for BB's reply! If anyone one here would have a good idea about the age of a bull, I would take his opinion any day. A picture says a thousand words, and BB has lots of fantastic photos.
Frky
Looks like the two town bully's hijacked your thread. It's nice to see Pro and Bess still trying to measure up. I wonder who really has the biggest..........truck! Always entertaining watching the kids at play don't you think? "but I don't want to grow up"
+1 for BB's reply! If anyone one here would have a good idea about the age of a bull, I would take his opinion any day. A picture says a thousand words, and BB has lots of fantastic photos.
Frky
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It also doesn't mean that the bulls on the Pavhant and San Juan that are at or over the age objective will be "trophy bulls".
There are MANY 8-10 year old bulls on top LE units that will never break 350".
All the top units give a bull is "opportunity" for is God given genetics to reach their full potential........which 95% of them never will amount to much.
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There are MANY 8-10 year old bulls on top LE units that will never break 350".
All the top units give a bull is "opportunity" for is God given genetics to reach their full potential........which 95% of them never will amount to much.
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You just count the points and that how old the bull is.
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Oh and to answer "What does a 7.7 year old elk look like"?
That would be an elk twice the age of any elk living under the UDW's or Pro's management in the near future!
That statement may turn into a classic... lol
As I have said before Bessy, the two things everyone wants to changes in Utardia is Turkey management and Elk management. I wonder why lol????
That would be an elk twice the age of any elk living under the UDW's or Pro's management in the near future!
That statement may turn into a classic... lol
As I have said before Bessy, the two things everyone wants to changes in Utardia is Turkey management and Elk management. I wonder why lol????
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B_BOP_A_LU_LU
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Well Woodruff,
In my eyes they changed the Turkey hunt on the very worst year they (DWR) could have,does that make any sense?
GEEZUS!
Winter of 07-08 was extremely rough on the birds here where I hunt,so what do they do?
They hammer on birds even harder by selling permits un-limited!
They gonna manage birds like they do deer,WAFJ!
In my eyes they changed the Turkey hunt on the very worst year they (DWR) could have,does that make any sense?
GEEZUS!
Winter of 07-08 was extremely rough on the birds here where I hunt,so what do they do?
They hammer on birds even harder by selling permits un-limited!
They gonna manage birds like they do deer,WAFJ!
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hoytme
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Woody and Bessy are right, WTF was I thinking? The turkeys should be managed for a 7.7 harvest age average with a 1:1 tom:hen ratio, that way we will have B&C turkeys on every unit. That will bring in big bucks for conservation projects. Silly me, thinking a BIRD should be managed like a BIRD. Every species that is hunted should be managed for one thing, trophy size. That includes jack rabbits, pot guts, and even morning doves.
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Proutdoors said: "Woody and Bessy are right, WTF was I thinking?"
Well I will at least give you credit for finally coming to your senses!!!
Well I will at least give you credit for finally coming to your senses!!!
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here is a couple that Nev and Utah said were 8 years old after I sent the teeth in
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Steve--what year did you kill that top bull?
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Them are damn nice Bulls!
See that Pro,They are both past the 4-4.5 objective you are pushing!
See that Pro,They are both past the 4-4.5 objective you are pushing!
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Todd The top bull was 2007 Nevada the bottom last year Utah
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I got to thinking of another way that states judge "trophy quality." In NV, they keep track of % of 6 point bulls and 4 point bucks. Sheep are judged by the number of 160+ for deserts and I think 150 for calis, and 170 for Rocky's.
Anyway, with a year like this, after last year's good spring, and fairly mild winter, I am sure there will be a lot of 2 year old bucks and bulls that will be sporting 6 points and 4 points on at least one side, if not both. Although, that seems like a good way to judge what is being taken, it does nothing to judge the true trophy quality.
I think the only true way to judge trophy quality is to actually have successful hunters measure their animals, or certain parts of the antlers that would give a better idea of the total score.
Maybe have hunters get two length and two mass measurements?
I think NV does this with the bulls already to some extent by measuring the length of one main beam.
Maybe a combination of all three things, and some way to figure it all out into a number to aim for. I am sure there is a math wizz out there somewhere that could do it. # of points, length of main beam, and age??
Just some thoughts.
Later,
Marcial
Anyway, with a year like this, after last year's good spring, and fairly mild winter, I am sure there will be a lot of 2 year old bucks and bulls that will be sporting 6 points and 4 points on at least one side, if not both. Although, that seems like a good way to judge what is being taken, it does nothing to judge the true trophy quality.
I think the only true way to judge trophy quality is to actually have successful hunters measure their animals, or certain parts of the antlers that would give a better idea of the total score.
Maybe have hunters get two length and two mass measurements?
I think NV does this with the bulls already to some extent by measuring the length of one main beam.
Maybe a combination of all three things, and some way to figure it all out into a number to aim for. I am sure there is a math wizz out there somewhere that could do it. # of points, length of main beam, and age??
Just some thoughts.
Later,
Marcial
