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huntinco
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http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f17/longe-range-elk-video-58083/
Justin Richins
R&K Hunting Company Inc.
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Justin Richins
R&K Hunting Company Inc.
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born_2_hunt
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That was one hell of a challenging hunt. What an adrenaline rush that must have been after that grueling stock. You guys should be proud!
PleaseDear
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I have always wanted to take one of those classes/course.
Just for the knowledge of the shooting aspect and to see what I could do with my 7mag.
Robb
Just for the knowledge of the shooting aspect and to see what I could do with my 7mag.
Robb
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Lifetimehunter
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Oh, so I guess that's supposed to be a big deal
longshooter338
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Just another day at the office ! Ooh yeah but most people dont have an office and most so called shooters cannot shoot consistantly beyond 300 yds so yes long range shooting is a big deal to those of us that can shoot consistantly out to 1000 yds !!!
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Lifetimehunter
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With today's weapons, ammo, and optics a 1000 yd. shot really isn't that hard to pull off. There are laser bore sites to site in your gun, , range finders, scopes with range finders built into them, trajectory tables easily available to everyone, just to mention a few of the items in use today.
What makes this long range shot unique is that most people wouldnt take the shot. I would imagine that most of the people on this site could do it if they tried . But it would be my guess that most of them would'nt do it.
This guy did and good for him, but its really no big deal.
What makes this long range shot unique is that most people wouldnt take the shot. I would imagine that most of the people on this site could do it if they tried . But it would be my guess that most of them would'nt do it.
This guy did and good for him, but its really no big deal.
>With today's weapons, ammo, and optics
>a 1000 yd. shot really
>isn't that hard to pull
>off. There are laser
>bore sites to site in
>your gun, , range finders,
>scopes with range finders built
>into them, trajectory tables easily
>available to everyone, just to
>mention a few of the
>items in use today.
>
>What makes this long range shot
>unique is that most people
>wouldnt take the shot. I
>would imagine that most of
>the people on this site
>could do it if they
>tried . But it would
>be my guess that most
>of them would'nt do it.
>
>
>This guy did and good for
>him, but its really no
>big deal.
Despite what they say on TV, store bought ammo, sighted in with a Laser bore sighter, adjusted to a ballistics table from the Internet, wouldn't even get you into a 55 gallon drum at 1000 yards.
>a 1000 yd. shot really
>isn't that hard to pull
>off. There are laser
>bore sites to site in
>your gun, , range finders,
>scopes with range finders built
>into them, trajectory tables easily
>available to everyone, just to
>mention a few of the
>items in use today.
>
>What makes this long range shot
>unique is that most people
>wouldnt take the shot. I
>would imagine that most of
>the people on this site
>could do it if they
>tried . But it would
>be my guess that most
>of them would'nt do it.
>
>
>This guy did and good for
>him, but its really no
>big deal.
Despite what they say on TV, store bought ammo, sighted in with a Laser bore sighter, adjusted to a ballistics table from the Internet, wouldn't even get you into a 55 gallon drum at 1000 yards.
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Lifetimehunter
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We can go at this all day,but you and I both know neither of us would sit on that drum while it was being shot at it with amy gun you can buy at Walmart sporting goods or the ammo on the shelves underneath those guns.
Except for the shotguns
Except for the shotguns
woodruffhunter
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>We have enough anti's bashing our
>sport we don't need hunters
>bashing other hunters. And
>it's "stalk" not "stock" genius.
>
>
>Nice shot and thanks for posting
>the video for most of
>us to enjoy!
LOL!!
>sport we don't need hunters
>bashing other hunters. And
>it's "stalk" not "stock" genius.
>
>
>Nice shot and thanks for posting
>the video for most of
>us to enjoy!
LOL!!
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TwoDogs
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"We have enough anti's bashing our sport we don't need hunters bashing other hunters. And it's "stalk" not "stock" genius."
We need more true, legit, ethical hunters supporting our hobby, STUDLY. You obviously ain't one of 'em. You make me wanna puke.
It ain't us agin the anti's........it's all about guys like you alienating the true hunters who believe in doing this the moral and ethical way. Just cuz someone hunts doesn't mean that he is on hunting's side in this battle.
Your shallow mentality will be the ruination of hunting. You are WRONG.
We need more true, legit, ethical hunters supporting our hobby, STUDLY. You obviously ain't one of 'em. You make me wanna puke.
It ain't us agin the anti's........it's all about guys like you alienating the true hunters who believe in doing this the moral and ethical way. Just cuz someone hunts doesn't mean that he is on hunting's side in this battle.
Your shallow mentality will be the ruination of hunting. You are WRONG.
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Lifetimehunter
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First off it's not a 1000 yd. shot this guy posted its only 533 , thats barely more than half of a 1000 for you guys that find math a little more than you can handle.
Second if you know how to use it a laser bore site will get you on the paper at 1000 yds, and so will other types, so go buy any kind you can afford
Third, I must be crazy for giving some of you guys credit for being able to shoot a 1000 yds. when I really have no idea if you can even see a 1000 yds.
Fourth, what would you guys be saying if he had missed , and why is it that grown men can't discuss this stuff without acting like little boys fighting on the playground. This is a forum where we are supposed to be able to post our thoughts about whats posted on here by others. Some of you get down right pissed off when someone else has an opinion diffrent from yours.
I still think its no big deal if you can shot you can shot a 1000 yds.
Second if you know how to use it a laser bore site will get you on the paper at 1000 yds, and so will other types, so go buy any kind you can afford
Third, I must be crazy for giving some of you guys credit for being able to shoot a 1000 yds. when I really have no idea if you can even see a 1000 yds.
Fourth, what would you guys be saying if he had missed , and why is it that grown men can't discuss this stuff without acting like little boys fighting on the playground. This is a forum where we are supposed to be able to post our thoughts about whats posted on here by others. Some of you get down right pissed off when someone else has an opinion diffrent from yours.
I still think its no big deal if you can shot you can shot a 1000 yds.
LAST EDITED ON Jun-27-10 AT 00:55AM (MST)[p]This thread is becomming more humorous with every post.
I doubt there is a more hypocritical group anywhere on the net.
Simply put, we are ALL killing animals for fun. Dress it up all you like, but that IS the bottom line. We do it because we like it......there is no other reason, in today's world to hunt or fish.
All of a sudden, someone elses' method of doing it, is not as "moral" or as "ethical" as yours...WTF? There is NO moral or ethical way of killing ANYTHING under the heading of "hunting"!
There is no piece of moral ground, or tree stump, that you can stand on, that puts one group of hunters above another. You hunt the way you want to and let others do the same.
Dead is dead. Wounded at 1000 yards is no different than wounded at 100. Animals suffer when they are shot. Some die quicker than others and if that is the criteria you are using to grasp some higher ground, you are retarded, as well as hypocritical..
The equipment is in a constant state of improvement and just because, you personally haven't made the upgrade, dosen't make those that have, automatically wrong.
I submit that if your great grandfather walked into your deer camp this fall, and saw ALL your "stuff", he would chit himself.
Get over this "true hunter" BS....you ain't one anyway....they all died off after the first grocery store was invented.
I doubt there is a more hypocritical group anywhere on the net.
Simply put, we are ALL killing animals for fun. Dress it up all you like, but that IS the bottom line. We do it because we like it......there is no other reason, in today's world to hunt or fish.
All of a sudden, someone elses' method of doing it, is not as "moral" or as "ethical" as yours...WTF? There is NO moral or ethical way of killing ANYTHING under the heading of "hunting"!
There is no piece of moral ground, or tree stump, that you can stand on, that puts one group of hunters above another. You hunt the way you want to and let others do the same.
Dead is dead. Wounded at 1000 yards is no different than wounded at 100. Animals suffer when they are shot. Some die quicker than others and if that is the criteria you are using to grasp some higher ground, you are retarded, as well as hypocritical..
The equipment is in a constant state of improvement and just because, you personally haven't made the upgrade, dosen't make those that have, automatically wrong.
I submit that if your great grandfather walked into your deer camp this fall, and saw ALL your "stuff", he would chit himself.
Get over this "true hunter" BS....you ain't one anyway....they all died off after the first grocery store was invented.
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TwoDogs
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Nicky,
Strong case, man....but you just ain't gonna get it done. Advanced equipment that means that you don't actually have to hunt any more is cheating. No advance in technology is an acceptable form of "not having to hunt".
I'm not trying to dress anything up, pal. My method is to find a personally satisfying animal.....whack him ethically......and then bring him home and have him put on my wall for no-one else to see. I don't do it for fun.....but for personal satisfaction. I participate on this forum for FUN! My animules that I've chosen to take a life from are for me and only me to appreciate. Sheeesh.
There are indeed 87 pieces of moral high ground that I can stand on that separates how I do it from how the greaseballs do it. Mine are borne of decades of living and SOLO hunting the Rocky Mtn west......theirs are derived from reading too many trophy magazines, viewing DVD's produced by the same, and tooooo much BS posted here and on CW.com as the RIGHT WAY. That's it......pervert the minds of the younger AZ hunters as "this is how to do it right!"
Equipment technology advances has nothing to do with moral and ethical and right. If I can sit on my toilet, taking a 25 lb. crap from my lazy, sorry, unexercised, outta shape body and watch my solar powered webcam scanning and scouting tank drinkers all day and all night while I slam RumpleMinz Vodka and enjoy my air-conditioned living room with leather sofa when I'm not on my heated pot...........then I'm a greaseball CS.
New developments in equipment are not acceptable if they allow a SUBSTITUTION for hardcore field hunting. If new equipment development accentuates and adds to the current requirement to get off yer sorry ass and hike, glass, and understand the habits and behaviors of older animals........then that technology may be considered.
Strong case, man....but you just ain't gonna get it done. Advanced equipment that means that you don't actually have to hunt any more is cheating. No advance in technology is an acceptable form of "not having to hunt".
I'm not trying to dress anything up, pal. My method is to find a personally satisfying animal.....whack him ethically......and then bring him home and have him put on my wall for no-one else to see. I don't do it for fun.....but for personal satisfaction. I participate on this forum for FUN! My animules that I've chosen to take a life from are for me and only me to appreciate. Sheeesh.
There are indeed 87 pieces of moral high ground that I can stand on that separates how I do it from how the greaseballs do it. Mine are borne of decades of living and SOLO hunting the Rocky Mtn west......theirs are derived from reading too many trophy magazines, viewing DVD's produced by the same, and tooooo much BS posted here and on CW.com as the RIGHT WAY. That's it......pervert the minds of the younger AZ hunters as "this is how to do it right!"
Equipment technology advances has nothing to do with moral and ethical and right. If I can sit on my toilet, taking a 25 lb. crap from my lazy, sorry, unexercised, outta shape body and watch my solar powered webcam scanning and scouting tank drinkers all day and all night while I slam RumpleMinz Vodka and enjoy my air-conditioned living room with leather sofa when I'm not on my heated pot...........then I'm a greaseball CS.
New developments in equipment are not acceptable if they allow a SUBSTITUTION for hardcore field hunting. If new equipment development accentuates and adds to the current requirement to get off yer sorry ass and hike, glass, and understand the habits and behaviors of older animals........then that technology may be considered.
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Lifetimehunter
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Not sure WTF u r talkin about or who your talking to ?
I can see no where on this post where any one mentioned anything about ethics or morals. I really dont give a crap if you beat em in the head with a hammer. We've all been talking about 1000 yd shots and how hard they are to make or not make depending on your point of view. I for one and I guess the only one on here think its a pretty darn easy thing to do, And NO BIG DEAL !!
While others think its darn near impossible except with custom guns and handloaded rounds. My grandfather killed his deer with a 22 auto cause thats what he had and could affford to shoot. Yeah he would be amazed at the crap I own and dont even use .
Hypocrit and retard ? WTF ?
I can see no where on this post where any one mentioned anything about ethics or morals. I really dont give a crap if you beat em in the head with a hammer. We've all been talking about 1000 yd shots and how hard they are to make or not make depending on your point of view. I for one and I guess the only one on here think its a pretty darn easy thing to do, And NO BIG DEAL !!
While others think its darn near impossible except with custom guns and handloaded rounds. My grandfather killed his deer with a 22 auto cause thats what he had and could affford to shoot. Yeah he would be amazed at the crap I own and dont even use .
Hypocrit and retard ? WTF ?
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TwoDogs
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I'm not a Saint.......only a much more experienced, better, more intelligent, more hardworking, more ethical, more moral hunter than a greaseball who has to degrade himself to the level of human garbage by using a 1000-yard rifle or a trail cam in order to whack a decent animal.
I've stated this on this forum at least 1000 times here lately. Where were you guys then..........downloading your water tank cams and learning how not to hunt but how to shoot instead?
Sheeesh.
I've stated this on this forum at least 1000 times here lately. Where were you guys then..........downloading your water tank cams and learning how not to hunt but how to shoot instead?
Sheeesh.
BLooDTRaCKeR
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Opinions are like A$$HOLES, everyones got one. As long as it's legal, shut up and hunt!
Justin,
Thanks for taking the time to share. Let's see some pics of the bull.
CS
"Helping turn good tags, into great ones." - www.vipoptics.com
Thanks for taking the time to share. Let's see some pics of the bull.
CS
"Helping turn good tags, into great ones." - www.vipoptics.com
woodruffhunter
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>LAST EDITED ON Jun-27-10
>AT 00:55?AM (MST)
>
>This thread is becomming more humorous
>with every post.
>
> I doubt there is a
>more hypocritical group anywhere on
>the net.
>
> Simply put, we are ALL
>killing animals for fun. Dress
>it up all you like,
>but that IS the bottom
>line. We do it because
>we like it......there is no
>other reason, in today's world
>to hunt or fish.
>
> All of a sudden, someone
>elses' method of doing it,
>is not as "moral" or
>as "ethical" as yours...WTF? There
>is NO moral or ethical
>way of killing ANYTHING under
>the heading of "hunting"!
>
> There is no piece of
>moral ground, or tree stump,
>that you can stand on,
>that puts one group of
>hunters above another. You hunt
>the way you want to
>and let others do the
>same.
>
> Dead is dead. Wounded at
>1000 yards is no different
>than wounded at 100. Animals
>suffer when they are shot.
>Some die quicker than others
>and if that is the
>criteria you are using to
>grasp some higher ground, you
>are retarded, as well as
>hypocritical..
>
> The equipment is in a
>constant state of improvement and
>just because, you personally haven't
>made the upgrade, dosen't make
>those that have, automatically wrong.
>
>
> I submit that if your
>great grandfather walked into your
>deer camp this fall, and
>saw ALL your "stuff", he
>would chit himself.
>
>Get over this "true hunter" BS....you
>ain't one anyway....they all died
>off after the first grocery
>store was invented.
Thanks Nickman for making this reply. It sure saves me time not having to respond to one of twodogs idiotic posts. Maybe I am the idiot for believing he is actually trying to be serious and not just posting for entertainment purposes.
I am still trying to figure out how twodogs converted this thread to a 1000 yards and trail cam thread???
>AT 00:55?AM (MST)
>
>This thread is becomming more humorous
>with every post.
>
> I doubt there is a
>more hypocritical group anywhere on
>the net.
>
> Simply put, we are ALL
>killing animals for fun. Dress
>it up all you like,
>but that IS the bottom
>line. We do it because
>we like it......there is no
>other reason, in today's world
>to hunt or fish.
>
> All of a sudden, someone
>elses' method of doing it,
>is not as "moral" or
>as "ethical" as yours...WTF? There
>is NO moral or ethical
>way of killing ANYTHING under
>the heading of "hunting"!
>
> There is no piece of
>moral ground, or tree stump,
>that you can stand on,
>that puts one group of
>hunters above another. You hunt
>the way you want to
>and let others do the
>same.
>
> Dead is dead. Wounded at
>1000 yards is no different
>than wounded at 100. Animals
>suffer when they are shot.
>Some die quicker than others
>and if that is the
>criteria you are using to
>grasp some higher ground, you
>are retarded, as well as
>hypocritical..
>
> The equipment is in a
>constant state of improvement and
>just because, you personally haven't
>made the upgrade, dosen't make
>those that have, automatically wrong.
>
>
> I submit that if your
>great grandfather walked into your
>deer camp this fall, and
>saw ALL your "stuff", he
>would chit himself.
>
>Get over this "true hunter" BS....you
>ain't one anyway....they all died
>off after the first grocery
>store was invented.
Thanks Nickman for making this reply. It sure saves me time not having to respond to one of twodogs idiotic posts. Maybe I am the idiot for believing he is actually trying to be serious and not just posting for entertainment purposes.
I am still trying to figure out how twodogs converted this thread to a 1000 yards and trail cam thread???
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Lifetimehunter
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I think this all started when I said I didnt think a 1000 yd shot was a big deal. I stand by that statement. With todays guns, ammo and optics its a pretty easy feat.
I never said I would do it while hunting , but I have done it while target shooting. Looks like to me that some people like to argue and call others names just to get their rocks off.
Must have had a bad childhood.
I never said I would do it while hunting , but I have done it while target shooting. Looks like to me that some people like to argue and call others names just to get their rocks off.
Must have had a bad childhood.
desertpointbrian
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nice shot that is awesome
travishunter3006
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This whole post is pretty interesting. would anyon on here please show me the rule book on long/short/intermediate/good shots please? wait, hold on, depending on the equipment that long/short/intermediate/good distance could vary. oh no! we will never know. what if he shot it down a canyon at 300 yards with a bow? wouldn't that be cool? or unethical? or can he get a bore sighter for his bow at 1000 yards? What about getting animals too close. like bowhunters shooting from 1-5 yards must be cheating. they dont even have to aim! right or wrong?
full grown guys arguing about this... makes me laugh. just get off your computer and go hunt something.
full grown guys arguing about this... makes me laugh. just get off your computer and go hunt something.
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Lifetimehunter
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travis thats a good idea, I'm leaving in the morning for Whitefish ,Mt. to hunt trout. I'll post some pics when I get back. Maybe if I can cast a 1000 yds. I can catch a real big one.
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lucaar
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TwoDogs does not hunt because the word hunting implies the possibility of failure. TwoDogs goes killing.
Superman owns a pair of TwoDogs pajamas.
TwoDog's dog is trained to pick up his own poop because TwoDog will not take shiz from anyone.
Bill Gates lives in constant fear that TwoDogs' PC will crash.
TwoDogs can drown a fish.
TwoDogs counted to infinity - twice.
TwoDogs can do a wheelie on a unicycle.
When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night he checks his closet for TwoDogs
If it looks like chicken, tastes like chicken, and feels like chicken but TwoDogs says its beef, then it's fricking beef....
TwoDogs can kill two stones with one bird.
Superman owns a pair of TwoDogs pajamas.
TwoDog's dog is trained to pick up his own poop because TwoDog will not take shiz from anyone.
Bill Gates lives in constant fear that TwoDogs' PC will crash.
TwoDogs can drown a fish.
TwoDogs counted to infinity - twice.
TwoDogs can do a wheelie on a unicycle.
When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night he checks his closet for TwoDogs
If it looks like chicken, tastes like chicken, and feels like chicken but TwoDogs says its beef, then it's fricking beef....
TwoDogs can kill two stones with one bird.
highcountryfever
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FUNNIEST POST EVER!!!!!!!!!
I would hate be in involved in "the ruination of hunting" but that was an good shot. Good for the hunter!
I would hate be in involved in "the ruination of hunting" but that was an good shot. Good for the hunter!
Broadside_Shot
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"Ruination" He Bastardized that one!!!!
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GSH85
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lets get real picky here...Shooting across a road???
travishunter3006
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i dont know if it was a road... looked more like a trail that deer use with their motorized hoofs... i think??? hehe
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elkstalkin
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>lets get real picky here...Shooting across
>a road???
That was my first thought!!! It is stated that you can not shoot over any road... I dont give a rats ass how far up the mountain you are..
>a road???
That was my first thought!!! It is stated that you can not shoot over any road... I dont give a rats ass how far up the mountain you are..
one_dryboot
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If you listen He says "there is the road" So I would guess it was a road!
I am 93.7% sure it is on private ground and I could take you to the exact spot. But it doesnt really matter, It was a great shot and clean kill and alot of these MM ethics police couldnt make that shot @ 100 yards!
I am 93.7% sure it is on private ground and I could take you to the exact spot. But it doesnt really matter, It was a great shot and clean kill and alot of these MM ethics police couldnt make that shot @ 100 yards!
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Lifetimehunter
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I'm not a fan of taking 1000 yd. shots at big game , I like to get close as possible just like everyone else . But it sure is funny to me that most of the MM Members on here have so little confidence in the shooting abilities they have. What's the longest shot you guys think you would take? I usually like to take shots no further than 300 yds. and thats real easy for me. But I do have confidence that I can hit a target at 500 or a 1000 if I had to.
I know I won't hit the target every time, I also know you won't stand up behind it while Im shooting st it either
So any way thats just what I think so go ahead and make some jokes cause the are kinda funny
I know I won't hit the target every time, I also know you won't stand up behind it while Im shooting st it either
So any way thats just what I think so go ahead and make some jokes cause the are kinda funny
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The_Quadfather
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Be a better video if he shot that little gay dog instead.
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TwoDogs
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I'm hurt, dudes.
completesportsman
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Just couldn't let this one die could you cbeard? 
ColoradoOak
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Where do you draw the line on technology, twodogs? Did you ever pick up that pair of Kowa Highlanders you were looking at last year?
feddoc
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LAST EDITED ON Jul-06-10 AT 08:53AM (MST)[p]WOW, lotsa interesting comments on here, not that mine is. I'm kinda with nickman. I don't have a problem with folks who can shoot that far. I respect the guy/girl who takes the time to practice, practice and then shoot some more at those ranges.
533 isn't that far on an elk; I've done almost the same on a deer three years ago. Ranged it at 512, went prone and it was done.
Kinda wondering about the road thing...but, assuming onedryboot is right and it is private property; no big deal.
OH, what is the deal with the dog? Kinda reminds me of little old ladies driving down the road with a poodle on the door sill.
Compromise, hell! ... If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?
533 isn't that far on an elk; I've done almost the same on a deer three years ago. Ranged it at 512, went prone and it was done.
Kinda wondering about the road thing...but, assuming onedryboot is right and it is private property; no big deal.
OH, what is the deal with the dog? Kinda reminds me of little old ladies driving down the road with a poodle on the door sill.
Compromise, hell! ... If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?
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lucaar
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TwoDogs can tie his shoes with his feet.
TwoDogs doesn't use pickup lines, he simply says, "Now."
TwoDogs likes to knit sweaters in his free time. And by "knit", I mean "kick", and by "sweaters", I mean "babies".
TwoDogs doesn't need a miracle in order to split the ocean. He just walks in and the water gets the funk out of the way.
TwoDogs once bowled a 300. Without a ball. He wasn't even in a bowling alley.
Champions are the breakfast of TwoDogs.
TwoDogs doesn't use pickup lines, he simply says, "Now."
TwoDogs likes to knit sweaters in his free time. And by "knit", I mean "kick", and by "sweaters", I mean "babies".
TwoDogs doesn't need a miracle in order to split the ocean. He just walks in and the water gets the funk out of the way.
TwoDogs once bowled a 300. Without a ball. He wasn't even in a bowling alley.
Champions are the breakfast of TwoDogs.
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TwoDogs
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"Where do you draw the line on technology, twodogs? Did you ever pick up that pair of Kowa Highlanders you were looking at last year?"
The best question here, and a fair one. I own the High Landers, and will use them in the field (i.e. not on the couch)to locate distant animals to size and to stalk and to shoot using my 7mm WBY Mag at normal ranges.
Technology that allows us to glass a little further, shoot a little further and give a clean kill.......is acceptable. This includes any bino/spotter/tripod.........and a good scope on an average factory rifle. At least you have to be out in the hills to glass......right? Heavy duty custom rifles that are made for and advertised for 1000-yard shots are waaaaaay over the line and for hunters who want to blast away from a knob knowing they don't have the skills to get closer. This is where it gets yellow......and cuts corners........and cheats.........and degrades trophy hunting.
Trail cams are not an enhancement to hunting techniques.......they are a SUBSTITUTE for it. THIS IS THE BIG DIFFERENCE THAT EVERYONE IS WONDERING ABOUT! This is why they have been outlawed in another state. Trail cams along with a bag of corn poured out on the ground allow you to scout and identify the home of a big animal..............WHILE YOU ARE LAYING ON YOUR COUCH WATCHING FOOTBALL!! This is a sorry-ass substitute for hunting! It used to be you actually had to hike and to read sign and glass your eyeballs out trying to find a decent buck to go after. This was what hunting was all about! To cheat the challenge and to demean the trophy by doing this is saaaaaad.
The best question here, and a fair one. I own the High Landers, and will use them in the field (i.e. not on the couch)to locate distant animals to size and to stalk and to shoot using my 7mm WBY Mag at normal ranges.
Technology that allows us to glass a little further, shoot a little further and give a clean kill.......is acceptable. This includes any bino/spotter/tripod.........and a good scope on an average factory rifle. At least you have to be out in the hills to glass......right? Heavy duty custom rifles that are made for and advertised for 1000-yard shots are waaaaaay over the line and for hunters who want to blast away from a knob knowing they don't have the skills to get closer. This is where it gets yellow......and cuts corners........and cheats.........and degrades trophy hunting.
Trail cams are not an enhancement to hunting techniques.......they are a SUBSTITUTE for it. THIS IS THE BIG DIFFERENCE THAT EVERYONE IS WONDERING ABOUT! This is why they have been outlawed in another state. Trail cams along with a bag of corn poured out on the ground allow you to scout and identify the home of a big animal..............WHILE YOU ARE LAYING ON YOUR COUCH WATCHING FOOTBALL!! This is a sorry-ass substitute for hunting! It used to be you actually had to hike and to read sign and glass your eyeballs out trying to find a decent buck to go after. This was what hunting was all about! To cheat the challenge and to demean the trophy by doing this is saaaaaad.
257Tony
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I get a real kick out of listening to all the different definitions of how far is too far, what tech is ok to use for hunting, what types of optics are ethical, etc, etc.
Simple fact is, if it isn't against the law, its more than likely OK with me.
I happen to know that Justin and all his buddies spend a ton of time and money practicing at long range so that when the opportunity presents itself, they are ready. They have a seriously sweet setup on their property for long range shooting! Clearly from the video, it works for them.
Simple fact is, if it isn't against the law, its more than likely OK with me.
I happen to know that Justin and all his buddies spend a ton of time and money practicing at long range so that when the opportunity presents itself, they are ready. They have a seriously sweet setup on their property for long range shooting! Clearly from the video, it works for them.
NMPaul
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>"Where do you draw the line
>on technology, twodogs? Did you
>ever pick up that pair
>of Kowa Highlanders you were
>looking at last year?"
>
>The best question here, and a
>fair one. I own
>the High Landers, and will
>use them in the field
>(i.e. not on the couch)to
>locate distant animals to size
>and to stalk and to
>shoot using my 7mm WBY
>Mag at normal ranges.
>
>Technology that allows us to glass
>a little further, shoot a
>little further and give a
>clean kill.......is acceptable. This
>includes any bino/spotter/tripod.........and a good
>scope on an average factory
>rifle. At least you
>have to be out in
>the hills to glass......right?
>Heavy duty custom rifles that
>are made for and advertised
>for 1000-yard shots are waaaaaay
>over the line and for
>hunters who want to blast
>away from a knob knowing
>they don't have the skills
>to get closer. This
>is where it gets yellow......and
>cuts corners........and cheats.........and degrades trophy
>hunting.
>
>Trail cams are not an enhancement
>to hunting techniques.......they are a
>SUBSTITUTE for it. THIS
>IS THE BIG DIFFERENCE THAT
>EVERYONE IS WONDERING ABOUT!
>This is why they have
>been outlawed in another state.
> Trail cams along with
>a bag of corn poured
>out on the ground allow
>you to scout and identify
>the home of a big
>animal..............WHILE YOU ARE LAYING ON
>YOUR COUCH WATCHING FOOTBALL!!
>This is a sorry-ass substitute
>for hunting! It used
>to be you actually had
>to hike and to read
>sign and glass your eyeballs
>out trying to find a
>decent buck to go after.
> This was what hunting
>was all about! To
>cheat the challenge and to
>demean the trophy by doing
>this is saaaaaad.
Let me give you the readers digest version of the 2dork manifesto.
If you do not aspire to be just like 2dork....... You are a loser.
Only 2dork has achieved the real meaning of hunting and all the rest of us can do is hope that he continues to tell us what is an acceptable way to hunt.
Dude, do you carry pictures of yourself in your wallet (I dont mean your drivers license)??????
>on technology, twodogs? Did you
>ever pick up that pair
>of Kowa Highlanders you were
>looking at last year?"
>
>The best question here, and a
>fair one. I own
>the High Landers, and will
>use them in the field
>(i.e. not on the couch)to
>locate distant animals to size
>and to stalk and to
>shoot using my 7mm WBY
>Mag at normal ranges.
>
>Technology that allows us to glass
>a little further, shoot a
>little further and give a
>clean kill.......is acceptable. This
>includes any bino/spotter/tripod.........and a good
>scope on an average factory
>rifle. At least you
>have to be out in
>the hills to glass......right?
>Heavy duty custom rifles that
>are made for and advertised
>for 1000-yard shots are waaaaaay
>over the line and for
>hunters who want to blast
>away from a knob knowing
>they don't have the skills
>to get closer. This
>is where it gets yellow......and
>cuts corners........and cheats.........and degrades trophy
>hunting.
>
>Trail cams are not an enhancement
>to hunting techniques.......they are a
>SUBSTITUTE for it. THIS
>IS THE BIG DIFFERENCE THAT
>EVERYONE IS WONDERING ABOUT!
>This is why they have
>been outlawed in another state.
> Trail cams along with
>a bag of corn poured
>out on the ground allow
>you to scout and identify
>the home of a big
>animal..............WHILE YOU ARE LAYING ON
>YOUR COUCH WATCHING FOOTBALL!!
>This is a sorry-ass substitute
>for hunting! It used
>to be you actually had
>to hike and to read
>sign and glass your eyeballs
>out trying to find a
>decent buck to go after.
> This was what hunting
>was all about! To
>cheat the challenge and to
>demean the trophy by doing
>this is saaaaaad.
Let me give you the readers digest version of the 2dork manifesto.
If you do not aspire to be just like 2dork....... You are a loser.
Only 2dork has achieved the real meaning of hunting and all the rest of us can do is hope that he continues to tell us what is an acceptable way to hunt.
Dude, do you carry pictures of yourself in your wallet (I dont mean your drivers license)??????
TwoDogPiles....Clearly, most of these posters don't see it your way, but you are too stupid to realize that we all agree that you can have your own opinion, your own way of doing things and your own inflated ego. But you just keep pushin'!
What we all DO agree on is that you do have the right to try and feed us your self righteous attitudes....as long as you are aware that it pretty much makes you look like an azzhat.....in the company of HuntRez, Jazz and Timberdiddle.
Any of, or all of whom, you may very well be!
What we all DO agree on is that you do have the right to try and feed us your self righteous attitudes....as long as you are aware that it pretty much makes you look like an azzhat.....in the company of HuntRez, Jazz and Timberdiddle.
Any of, or all of whom, you may very well be!
T
TwoDogs
Guest
NMPaul rimes with Greaseball. Trail Cams, gang-hunting, quads, 1000-yard rifles.
If you don't aspire to be an honest, decent, legal, immoral, non- lazy, ethical, wanting-to-work-legitimately to-whack-a biggun hunter......then expect consequences and repercussions.
Does it ever occur to you guys that I'm not promoting my way of hunting............but the last remaining moral way? This has nothing to do with my way as it is shared by many old-timers right now!!! IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH WHETHER YOU GUYS HAVE AMERICAN INTEGRITY AND DECENCY AND CARE ABOUT TRUE HUNTING CHALLENGES AND SATISFACTION AND THE FUTURE OF OUR SPORT.
If you don't aspire to be an honest, decent, legal, immoral, non- lazy, ethical, wanting-to-work-legitimately to-whack-a biggun hunter......then expect consequences and repercussions.
Does it ever occur to you guys that I'm not promoting my way of hunting............but the last remaining moral way? This has nothing to do with my way as it is shared by many old-timers right now!!! IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH WHETHER YOU GUYS HAVE AMERICAN INTEGRITY AND DECENCY AND CARE ABOUT TRUE HUNTING CHALLENGES AND SATISFACTION AND THE FUTURE OF OUR SPORT.
M
mathewsman
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All I saw was DRT without so much as a wiggle. Can't argue that outcome-nice shooting. (and no I would not attempt that shot)
NMPaul
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LAST EDITED ON Jul-08-10 AT 07:00AM (MST)[p]>NMPaul rimes with Greaseball. Trail
>Cams, gang-hunting, quads, 1000-yard rifles.
>
>
>If you don't aspire to be
>an honest, decent, legal, immoral,
>non- lazy, ethical, wanting-to-work-legitimately to-whack-a
>biggun hunter......then expect consequences and
>repercussions.
>
>Does it ever occur to you
>guys that I'm not promoting
>my way of hunting............but the
>last remaining moral way?
>This has nothing to do
>with my way as it
>is shared by many old-timers
>right now!!! IT DOES
>HAVE TO DO WITH WHETHER
>YOU GUYS HAVE AMERICAN INTEGRITY
>AND DECENCY AND CARE ABOUT
>TRUE HUNTING CHALLENGES AND SATISFACTION
>AND THE FUTURE OF OUR
>SPORT.
2Dorks, its not about any of that.. Its about your weird posts, your self righteous attitude and insulting people you do not even know.
How could you possibly expect anyone to take you seriously?
Just remember, there are a bunch of archery hunters out there that think the way you hunt makes you a slob.
As far as the future of hunting, your crack pot posts just discourage anyone just getting into hunting.
Finally, dont kid yourself. Your posts are not about helping anyone or promoting hunting. Your posts are about stroking your over inflated ego.
>Cams, gang-hunting, quads, 1000-yard rifles.
>
>
>If you don't aspire to be
>an honest, decent, legal, immoral,
>non- lazy, ethical, wanting-to-work-legitimately to-whack-a
>biggun hunter......then expect consequences and
>repercussions.
>
>Does it ever occur to you
>guys that I'm not promoting
>my way of hunting............but the
>last remaining moral way?
>This has nothing to do
>with my way as it
>is shared by many old-timers
>right now!!! IT DOES
>HAVE TO DO WITH WHETHER
>YOU GUYS HAVE AMERICAN INTEGRITY
>AND DECENCY AND CARE ABOUT
>TRUE HUNTING CHALLENGES AND SATISFACTION
>AND THE FUTURE OF OUR
>SPORT.
2Dorks, its not about any of that.. Its about your weird posts, your self righteous attitude and insulting people you do not even know.
How could you possibly expect anyone to take you seriously?
Just remember, there are a bunch of archery hunters out there that think the way you hunt makes you a slob.
As far as the future of hunting, your crack pot posts just discourage anyone just getting into hunting.
Finally, dont kid yourself. Your posts are not about helping anyone or promoting hunting. Your posts are about stroking your over inflated ego.
L
lucaar
Guest
If you don't aspire to be
>an honest, decent, legal, immoral,
>non- lazy, ethical, wanting-to-work-legitimately to-whack-a
>biggun hunter......then expect consequences and
>repercussions.
TwoDogs do you aspire to be decent, legal and IMMORAL? Do you know what immoral means ha ha? Here is the definition for you:
"Immoral: deliberately violating accepted principles of right and wrong".
I agree that you are aspiring to be immoral, but are you aspiring to be decent and ethical also? If you are then I don't think you don't understand what those mean either based on how you act here on this site. Let me help clear things up for you.
Decent: "socially or conventionally correct; refined or virtuous"
Ethical: "conforming to accepted standards of social or professional behavior"
You might think you are an "Immoral (ha ha), decent, and ethical" hunter. But here on this site you are none of those. If you want more people to be receptive to your opinions, you should try to align you actions and posts to your belief system. If you believe acting ethically, morally and decent is the way to go then treat people that way on this site. That is just my opinion of course.
>an honest, decent, legal, immoral,
>non- lazy, ethical, wanting-to-work-legitimately to-whack-a
>biggun hunter......then expect consequences and
>repercussions.
TwoDogs do you aspire to be decent, legal and IMMORAL? Do you know what immoral means ha ha? Here is the definition for you:
"Immoral: deliberately violating accepted principles of right and wrong".
I agree that you are aspiring to be immoral
, but are you aspiring to be decent and ethical also? If you are then I don't think you don't understand what those mean either based on how you act here on this site. Let me help clear things up for you.Decent: "socially or conventionally correct; refined or virtuous"
Ethical: "conforming to accepted standards of social or professional behavior"
You might think you are an "Immoral (ha ha), decent, and ethical" hunter. But here on this site you are none of those. If you want more people to be receptive to your opinions, you should try to align you actions and posts to your belief system. If you believe acting ethically, morally and decent is the way to go then treat people that way on this site. That is just my opinion of course.
T
The_Quadfather
Guest
Lucaar, you should just stick to copying and pasting material from a Chuck Norris tribute site. Your original material is boring. Zzzzzzzzzzz Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Best part about a 533 yard shot across a canyon, great shot until it isn't. How fast can you get on track across that canyon after the bullets drifts into the paunch instead? That bull would be long gone...
Best part about a 533 yard shot across a canyon, great shot until it isn't. How fast can you get on track across that canyon after the bullets drifts into the paunch instead? That bull would be long gone...
L
lucaar
Guest
Thanks for the compliment The_Quadfather !!!!! A lot of people thought it was funny, but thanks for sharing your opinion. And thanks for posting something that wasn't boring at all .
My guess if he hit him in the paunch the first shot he would have put two or three more in him until he was down. 533 yards is a long shot but come on... a lot of people on this site can make that shot. Obviously this guy can make the shot, so why not just compliment him instead of criticize him?
.My guess if he hit him in the paunch the first shot he would have put two or three more in him until he was down. 533 yards is a long shot but come on... a lot of people on this site can make that shot. Obviously this guy can make the shot, so why not just compliment him instead of criticize him?
H
HunterX
Guest
entertaining video thanks for sharing it with us.
When I first started hunting back in the 80s a 300 yard shot was consider pretty dang far at least with the hunters I knew anyways. Now days 300 yards is not very far at all when you compare it to some of the yardages people are shooting at the present time.
Hunters have probably been shooting long range shots since the beginning of time but with todays technology and know how there's more skill and precision involed in taking these long range shots and a lot less luck.
I wonder what will be considered a far shot in another 30 years.
When I first started hunting back in the 80s a 300 yard shot was consider pretty dang far at least with the hunters I knew anyways. Now days 300 yards is not very far at all when you compare it to some of the yardages people are shooting at the present time.
Hunters have probably been shooting long range shots since the beginning of time but with todays technology and know how there's more skill and precision involed in taking these long range shots and a lot less luck.
I wonder what will be considered a far shot in another 30 years.
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B_BOP_A_LU_LU
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stinkbug doesn't even adjust his scope at 533!
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I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
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I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
marley
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Two dogs I think YOU are a lazy hunter that doesn't have the skills to get closer because you use a rifle period. Pick up a bow and then come on here and criticize any shot over 60 yards. You brag that a real hunter gets closer. How about walking the talk!!!
T
The_Quadfather
Guest
Funny, I think 60yds with a bow is asking for trouble...
L
lucaar
Guest
Ha ha The_Quadfather .... 60 yards might be asking for trouble for you, but for a lot of us here, it's not a problem if the conditions are right. Should a hunter limit their effective range because of others opinions based on their own shooting abilities? Or should a hunter limit themselves to "their own" effective range based on their own shooting abilities? Everyone is different. You might not be comfortable shooting an animal at 60 yards but that is you. There a lots of hunters here that are comfortable with that shot because they practice regularly much further than that.
Why don't you and TwoDogs tell us all what is ethical and correct, since you have it all figured out, based on your narrow point of view and we will all agree with you and end the arguing....give me a break!
Why don't you and TwoDogs tell us all what is ethical and correct, since you have it all figured out, based on your narrow point of view and we will all agree with you and end the arguing....give me a break!
marley
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FOR ME....hunting is fun with a bow or muzzleloader in hand. Rifle hunting got boring FOR ME (see twodogs how I'm leaving my opinion and not law for everyone else). Lately, getting into long range shooting has made the rifle more fun again (but I do know how to take an ethical shot..twodogs) but an ethical shot for me is not necessarily an ethical shot for someone else. Some one else with more long range experience than I could take an ethical shot much farther than I could. Someone with inferior equipment and less experience than I (Twodogs) might say that what I think is ethical is not. Ethical is between INDIVIDUAL parameters not universal.
What's more ethical.......me taking an 800 yard shot (refer to previous post......http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID22/2598.html) that I can make a 3 inch group at or someone dusting of the ol .30-06 the day before the hunt that can hit a pie plate with his first 3 shots at 100 yards and then taking a 300 yard shot?
What's more ethical.......me taking an 800 yard shot (refer to previous post......http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID22/2598.html) that I can make a 3 inch group at or someone dusting of the ol .30-06 the day before the hunt that can hit a pie plate with his first 3 shots at 100 yards and then taking a 300 yard shot?
B
bckcntrybuck
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>LAST EDITED ON Jun-27-10
>AT 00:55?AM (MST)
>
>This thread is becomming more humorous
>with every post.
>
> I doubt there is a
>more hypocritical group anywhere on
>the net.
>
> Simply put, we are ALL
>killing animals for fun. Dress
>it up all you like,
>but that IS the bottom
>line. We do it because
>we like it......there is no
>other reason, in today's world
>to hunt or fish.
>
> All of a sudden, someone
>elses' method of doing it,
>is not as "moral" or
>as "ethical" as yours...WTF? There
>is NO moral or ethical
>way of killing ANYTHING under
>the heading of "hunting"!
>
> There is no piece of
>moral ground, or tree stump,
>that you can stand on,
>that puts one group of
>hunters above another. You hunt
>the way you want to
>and let others do the
>same.
>
> Dead is dead. Wounded at
>1000 yards is no different
>than wounded at 100. Animals
>suffer when they are shot.
>Some die quicker than others
>and if that is the
>criteria you are using to
>grasp some higher ground, you
>are retarded, as well as
>hypocritical..
>
> The equipment is in a
>constant state of improvement and
>just because, you personally haven't
>made the upgrade, dosen't make
>those that have, automatically wrong.
>
>
> I submit that if your
>great grandfather walked into your
>deer camp this fall, and
>saw ALL your "stuff", he
>would chit himself.
>
>Get over this "true hunter" BS....you
>ain't one anyway....they all died
>off after the first grocery
>store was invented.
+1
>AT 00:55?AM (MST)
>
>This thread is becomming more humorous
>with every post.
>
> I doubt there is a
>more hypocritical group anywhere on
>the net.
>
> Simply put, we are ALL
>killing animals for fun. Dress
>it up all you like,
>but that IS the bottom
>line. We do it because
>we like it......there is no
>other reason, in today's world
>to hunt or fish.
>
> All of a sudden, someone
>elses' method of doing it,
>is not as "moral" or
>as "ethical" as yours...WTF? There
>is NO moral or ethical
>way of killing ANYTHING under
>the heading of "hunting"!
>
> There is no piece of
>moral ground, or tree stump,
>that you can stand on,
>that puts one group of
>hunters above another. You hunt
>the way you want to
>and let others do the
>same.
>
> Dead is dead. Wounded at
>1000 yards is no different
>than wounded at 100. Animals
>suffer when they are shot.
>Some die quicker than others
>and if that is the
>criteria you are using to
>grasp some higher ground, you
>are retarded, as well as
>hypocritical..
>
> The equipment is in a
>constant state of improvement and
>just because, you personally haven't
>made the upgrade, dosen't make
>those that have, automatically wrong.
>
>
> I submit that if your
>great grandfather walked into your
>deer camp this fall, and
>saw ALL your "stuff", he
>would chit himself.
>
>Get over this "true hunter" BS....you
>ain't one anyway....they all died
>off after the first grocery
>store was invented.
+1
B
Buckmania
Guest
>When Twodogs jumps in a pool,
>he doesn't get wet, the
>pool gets Twodogged.
>
ROFL!!!!!!!! Not sure why but this made me about fall out of my chair laughing, too funny!
>he doesn't get wet, the
>pool gets Twodogged.
>
ROFL!!!!!!!! Not sure why but this made me about fall out of my chair laughing, too funny!
N
Nails
Guest
Three guys camped out under a cliff with a howitzer, spotting scope and lap dog ain't hunting. We will never be able to come up with a definition of hunting that we could all agree on, but that video is not hunting to me and so I will never use those techniques. If you ask me, those guys are doing it because it is "different" and probably some financial gain in selling articles,dvd's,tv shows and equipment.
Bottom line, that is not hunting in my opinion.
Notice I didn't say anything about morals or ethics, just stating my opinion.
Bottom line, that is not hunting in my opinion.
Notice I didn't say anything about morals or ethics, just stating my opinion.
desertpointbrian
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alot of these post are just comical the shot was about 150 yards longer than i would ever attempt. but it was not a 1000 yard shot like some people on here decided it was. but it was a nice shot and a clean one.
one_dryboot
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any shot over 50 yards is unethical and immoral!! If fact if you are using a rifle, that is not hunting! Especially if you use a scope to inhance your vision, that is not hunting!
If you dont use homemade arrows and a bow you carved out of a tree, that is not hunting!
Any time someone is out in the woods trying to kill an animal, from 20 yards to 5000 yards, it is hunting. A dead animal is a dead animal. Wake the Hell up!
If you dont use homemade arrows and a bow you carved out of a tree, that is not hunting!
Any time someone is out in the woods trying to kill an animal, from 20 yards to 5000 yards, it is hunting. A dead animal is a dead animal. Wake the Hell up!
desertpointbrian
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>any shot over 50 yards is
>unethical and immoral!! If fact
>if you are using a
>rifle, that is not hunting!
>Especially if you use a
>scope to inhance your vision,
>that is not hunting!
> If you
>dont use homemade arrows and
>a bow you carved out
>of a tree, that is
>not hunting!
> Any
>time someone is out in
>the woods trying to kill
>an animal, from 20 yards
>to 5000 yards, it is
>hunting. A
>dead animal is a dead
>animal. Wake the
>Hell up!
that is good dryboot
the real stupidity in this thread and every other thread like this one.is the fact that some hunters bag on other hunters hunting style. we have enough problems fighting land closure and tree huggers. the bickering back and fourth archery vs rifle vs muzzyhunter is just plain stupidity.bottom line he made a clean shot that he is obviousley very capable of. and just because you can't do it doesn't make it wrong technology has evolved in the sport of hunting accept it other wise we would all be hunting with recurve bows and stone arrows
>unethical and immoral!! If fact
>if you are using a
>rifle, that is not hunting!
>Especially if you use a
>scope to inhance your vision,
>that is not hunting!
> If you
>dont use homemade arrows and
>a bow you carved out
>of a tree, that is
>not hunting!
> Any
>time someone is out in
>the woods trying to kill
>an animal, from 20 yards
>to 5000 yards, it is
>hunting. A
>dead animal is a dead
>animal. Wake the
>Hell up!
that is good dryboot
the real stupidity in this thread and every other thread like this one.is the fact that some hunters bag on other hunters hunting style. we have enough problems fighting land closure and tree huggers. the bickering back and fourth archery vs rifle vs muzzyhunter is just plain stupidity.bottom line he made a clean shot that he is obviousley very capable of. and just because you can't do it doesn't make it wrong technology has evolved in the sport of hunting accept it other wise we would all be hunting with recurve bows and stone arrows
