WY Results are Posted!!!
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101 HERE WE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nothing for me could not even get a doe deer or antelope tag. Come on AZ
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Damn Shawn, when it rains it pours! Congrats on a great tag!
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No elk or antelope licenses for either me or my wife again this year. I have not drawn an antelope license since 1991 and have not had an elk license since 2002. For a Wyoming resident, that's pretty poor. I'll be glad whe we get preference points for residents next year so G&F can't put me on the "do not draw" list any more.
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Another 0 for 15 now. Come on AZ!
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redrabbit
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Come on AZ is right. No tags for Utah, New Mexico, and now Wyoming. In WY, I had only put in for antelope in the southwest area.
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WOW wife and daughter drew reg K and I drew area 128 129 I cant wait
But I must say I am glad shawn drew a tag so he can get another never enuff dvd for my shelf now lets see him do better then his last years buck in Colarado and in 102 with a some luck it could happen
Congrads all
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Clynt L Citte
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But I must say I am glad shawn drew a tag so he can get another never enuff dvd for my shelf now lets see him do better then his last years buck in Colarado and in 102 with a some luck it could happen
Congrads all
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Clynt L Citte
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Drew out 6 tags,W deer with 2 doe tags in 82 and Antelope 56 and two doe tags in 53
> I'll be glad whe
>we get preference points for
>residents next year so G&F
>can't put me on the
>"do not draw" list any
>more.
What's your source for Wyoming residents going to a pref point system next year? The only way that can happen is if the Wyoming legislature creates a law and as of now, nothing is on the books. When I was at a seasonal G & F meeting in April, that matter was brought up and they didn't know when it might happen. When the G & F broached the subject a few years ago, Wyoming hunters overwelmingly rejected the idea. Might be nice if you can organize folks in your area to write the G & F and their elected officials to do something. I've been trying here for several years.
>we get preference points for
>residents next year so G&F
>can't put me on the
>"do not draw" list any
>more.
What's your source for Wyoming residents going to a pref point system next year? The only way that can happen is if the Wyoming legislature creates a law and as of now, nothing is on the books. When I was at a seasonal G & F meeting in April, that matter was brought up and they didn't know when it might happen. When the G & F broached the subject a few years ago, Wyoming hunters overwelmingly rejected the idea. Might be nice if you can organize folks in your area to write the G & F and their elected officials to do something. I've been trying here for several years.
LAST EDITED ON Jul-05-06 AT 09:33AM (MST)[p]Clynt, Lay off the hard stuff, or at least till after 12:00. 
NvrEnuf(Shawn) and Never Enough video(Prism,akaPaul) are different people. Shawn didn't get a CO buck last year, that was Paul(Prism).
How was ID
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PS Tell Amy and Kayla congrats as well as you
NvrEnuf(Shawn) and Never Enough video(Prism,akaPaul) are different people. Shawn didn't get a CO buck last year, that was Paul(Prism).How was ID
Yelum
PS Tell Amy and Kayla congrats as well as you
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Ouch!!!
That just gos to show I dont know anyone in here sorry
Idaho sucked found out I was scouting in the wrong area gos to show I dont know anything!!! but will try again in a week or two
SO you up to going to K sometime in the next few weeeks I am thinking of getting a crossbow for the daughter and trying for one of those bucks in Sept when there still out and about what you think?????
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Clynt L Citte
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Ouch!!!
That just gos to show I dont know anyone in here sorry
Idaho sucked found out I was scouting in the wrong area gos to show I dont know anything!!! but will try again in a week or two
SO you up to going to K sometime in the next few weeeks I am thinking of getting a crossbow for the daughter and trying for one of those bucks in Sept when there still out and about what you think?????
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Clynt L Citte
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Region C - Muleys!!!
Area 23 - Antelope!!!
Area 23 - Antelope!!!
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i drew a antelope reg 32-2 and deer reg D cant wait until oct good luck and shoot straight!
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Why can't I get in to find out?
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Chalking up Wy to the looonnggg list of states that don't want my $$$ this year . The bast#$%# . Going to really focus on finding a good deer in Co., the one state I got a little love from . : )
I drew a 96 antelope but struck out on deer and elk. There will be no preference points for residents in Wyoming for a long time. I attended the meeting last summer where it was discussed by the trw committee. There was several sportsmen that spoke in opposition to pref points, including myself.
point systems are needed in states that have a large population base as they are the only way to make it fair. Point systems also come with a lot of baggage.
We don't need preference points in wyoming we just need resident hunters to only have the ability to pick one limited entry species. For instance If I choose to put in for a 102 tag that would be the only hunt I could put in for in the limited entry draw. I could still hunt any general season area for other species, and would have the ability to put in for any tags in that were leftover from the first drawing (there would be a pile of goat tags) limited quota tags.
We also need a waiting period for units that have a success rate of 25% or less. If you draw a 102 tag you should have to sit out a year or two to spread the wealth around the community.
We've spent countless hours crunching numbers and this could improve draw odds in some areas up to 70%.
Something to think about.
Thanks,
Eric
point systems are needed in states that have a large population base as they are the only way to make it fair. Point systems also come with a lot of baggage.
We don't need preference points in wyoming we just need resident hunters to only have the ability to pick one limited entry species. For instance If I choose to put in for a 102 tag that would be the only hunt I could put in for in the limited entry draw. I could still hunt any general season area for other species, and would have the ability to put in for any tags in that were leftover from the first drawing (there would be a pile of goat tags) limited quota tags.
We also need a waiting period for units that have a success rate of 25% or less. If you draw a 102 tag you should have to sit out a year or two to spread the wealth around the community.
We've spent countless hours crunching numbers and this could improve draw odds in some areas up to 70%.
Something to think about.
Thanks,
Eric
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Drew Region W deer with 1 doe tag in 82... c'mon Oct.!!!
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Brian,
It looks like you are the lucky charm this year. Let me know how your deer hunt goes, I have thought about applying since 102 is everyone's new favorite. I drew a second choice 47-2 tag for antelope, struck out for deer. There will be antelope in the cemetary in Kemerer, some hogs at that. Always see goats in that country, be selective.
Rich
It looks like you are the lucky charm this year. Let me know how your deer hunt goes, I have thought about applying since 102 is everyone's new favorite. I drew a second choice 47-2 tag for antelope, struck out for deer. There will be antelope in the cemetary in Kemerer, some hogs at that. Always see goats in that country, be selective.
Rich
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Sweet gig for many M&M members!!
Dang Clint.... your going to have your own issue of Muley Crazy with all those great muley tags you and your family have drawn!!
Have fun all......
Dang Clint.... your going to have your own issue of Muley Crazy with all those great muley tags you and your family have drawn!!
Have fun all......
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I drew a W tag in Wyoming.
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ICMDEER,
Man I feel for you..... In thirteen years of applying I have not drawn a limited quota elk tag in my own state. Sometimes I wander if I am on that "do not draw" list you speak of. It gets harder and harder each year to swallow my dissappointment! I try to remain optimistic but as more and more non-residents draw the better tags in this state I get more and more frustrated. Not that I have a problem with non-residents but when am I going to get to hunt my own state. The funny thing is the area I apply for isn't all that bad of odds (25%) I mean they aren't great but you would think that after thirteen years I would finally get one.
Man I feel for you..... In thirteen years of applying I have not drawn a limited quota elk tag in my own state. Sometimes I wander if I am on that "do not draw" list you speak of. It gets harder and harder each year to swallow my dissappointment! I try to remain optimistic but as more and more non-residents draw the better tags in this state I get more and more frustrated. Not that I have a problem with non-residents but when am I going to get to hunt my own state. The funny thing is the area I apply for isn't all that bad of odds (25%) I mean they aren't great but you would think that after thirteen years I would finally get one.
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Got it, thanks wooohoo goin to Wyo this year too.
>point systems are
>needed in states that have
>a large population base as
>they are the only way
>to make it fair. Point
>systems also come with a
>lot of baggage.
>We don't need
>preference points in wyoming we
>just need resident hunters to
>only have the ability to
>pick one limited entry species.
I'll be the first one to step up and say I think yer talking out yer arse. We do need a preference point system. Population has nothing to do with it. Draw odds and demand are the determining factor. We need something like Colorado has for their trophy species where you max out at three points or something to that effect. A three point max system would essentially take guys out of the draw for three years in some area's and improve draw odds for most. In other area's with a lower demand, you still might draw a tag every two years or so. If they would change many of the area's to archery or rifle only and offer both tags in each area, that would also increase the draw odds. As our state population continues to increase, draw odds will decrease and more people will be in favor of a pref point system. The G & F is only one part of the equation. They're in favor of pref points. When they pushed for it with non residents, a commissioner told me the hope was that residents would see how well it works and prople would be more wiling to give it a try. My legislative representative is in favor of it and those are the guys who will decide whether it happens or not. We'll see pref points at some point down the road. It unfortunately may take a few years longer than some of us want to wait.
>needed in states that have
>a large population base as
>they are the only way
>to make it fair. Point
>systems also come with a
>lot of baggage.
>We don't need
>preference points in wyoming we
>just need resident hunters to
>only have the ability to
>pick one limited entry species.
I'll be the first one to step up and say I think yer talking out yer arse. We do need a preference point system. Population has nothing to do with it. Draw odds and demand are the determining factor. We need something like Colorado has for their trophy species where you max out at three points or something to that effect. A three point max system would essentially take guys out of the draw for three years in some area's and improve draw odds for most. In other area's with a lower demand, you still might draw a tag every two years or so. If they would change many of the area's to archery or rifle only and offer both tags in each area, that would also increase the draw odds. As our state population continues to increase, draw odds will decrease and more people will be in favor of a pref point system. The G & F is only one part of the equation. They're in favor of pref points. When they pushed for it with non residents, a commissioner told me the hope was that residents would see how well it works and prople would be more wiling to give it a try. My legislative representative is in favor of it and those are the guys who will decide whether it happens or not. We'll see pref points at some point down the road. It unfortunately may take a few years longer than some of us want to wait.
LAST EDITED ON Jul-06-06 AT 06:17PM (MST)[p]Triple BB.
Most resident hunters don't care for their point system in CO and there has been a major push to change it drastically. Unfortunatly there are so many applicants that there hands are tied as to their options. In 2004 Colorado had more resident elk applications than the total number of applicants for all of Wyomings big game species.
Points systems do nothing to improve odds they'll just guarentee that eventually you'll draw a tag. In most good units if your the unlucky indivdual that doesn't draw in the first couple of years of a point system your just guaranteeing you'll only draw one tag in your life for the good areas.
Points systems completly screw youth hunters because when they come of age there 10 or 12 or 20 points behind the max applicants. Some states have addressed this with youth tags but then it just takes tags away from adult hunters (which I'm not opposed to at all, the youth is the future)
Point systems cause an increase in applicants. all you have to do is look at NR applicants for 05 and 06 in wyoming. This in turn lowers odds.
The only way to improve draw odds is to lower how many applicants are putting in for the tags or increase the tags. There are couple ways to do this
First you could do how I already mentioned limiting a person to one chance in the limited entry draw This in theroy would cut the amount of applicants by a third. When we ran the numbers and models this seems that it would be the most effective solution. Remember I'm not saying if you choose to put in for deer you can't go hunt elk in a general unit, or apply for a leftover elk tag in the second drawing. You just only draw one limited entry tag the first time around.
the second you could raise prices so the person that doesn't really care about drawing the license would be detered from putting in. This would also cut the amount of people who put in their whole family in hopes of drawing one tag. You would leave youth tags, and antlerless tags at the same price I believe Wyoming's wildlife is extremly undervalued anyway.
The third way would be to go to a graduated system were you would rank your species and say if you draw an elk tag your name is out of the hat for deer, and antelope. You could also include once in a lifetime in this program. When we crunched numbers on this we found that this method would help a little but not drastically as the other two.
anyway my two cents
Eric,
Most resident hunters don't care for their point system in CO and there has been a major push to change it drastically. Unfortunatly there are so many applicants that there hands are tied as to their options. In 2004 Colorado had more resident elk applications than the total number of applicants for all of Wyomings big game species.
Points systems do nothing to improve odds they'll just guarentee that eventually you'll draw a tag. In most good units if your the unlucky indivdual that doesn't draw in the first couple of years of a point system your just guaranteeing you'll only draw one tag in your life for the good areas.
Points systems completly screw youth hunters because when they come of age there 10 or 12 or 20 points behind the max applicants. Some states have addressed this with youth tags but then it just takes tags away from adult hunters (which I'm not opposed to at all, the youth is the future)
Point systems cause an increase in applicants. all you have to do is look at NR applicants for 05 and 06 in wyoming. This in turn lowers odds.
The only way to improve draw odds is to lower how many applicants are putting in for the tags or increase the tags. There are couple ways to do this
First you could do how I already mentioned limiting a person to one chance in the limited entry draw This in theroy would cut the amount of applicants by a third. When we ran the numbers and models this seems that it would be the most effective solution. Remember I'm not saying if you choose to put in for deer you can't go hunt elk in a general unit, or apply for a leftover elk tag in the second drawing. You just only draw one limited entry tag the first time around.
the second you could raise prices so the person that doesn't really care about drawing the license would be detered from putting in. This would also cut the amount of people who put in their whole family in hopes of drawing one tag. You would leave youth tags, and antlerless tags at the same price I believe Wyoming's wildlife is extremly undervalued anyway.
The third way would be to go to a graduated system were you would rank your species and say if you draw an elk tag your name is out of the hat for deer, and antelope. You could also include once in a lifetime in this program. When we crunched numbers on this we found that this method would help a little but not drastically as the other two.
anyway my two cents
Eric,
>triple bb,
> I'm intrested in the
>3 point max thing give
>me a couple days to
>crunch some numbers and we'll
>see what I come up
>with for a couple of
>units surrounding rock springs.
While yer at it, pick up a couple of area's in the Big Horns and in central Wyoming that currently have 20 - 40% draw odds. A three point max system does nothing to guarantee anyone a tag, so don't confuse the idea with what Colorado or any other state has for deer and elk. I'd also favor a 5 year waiting period on area's that have had long term draw odd's of less than 10%. Those guys who draw area 100 for example, wouldn't get a shot at that tag for another 8 years. Most guys woudn't want to wait that long and would choose other area's or might take a general tag. Everyone should have a decent shot at hunting some of these quality area's. Instituting a few changes would help the situation and allow people the opportunity to hunt somewhere every year if they still wanted to get out.
> I'm intrested in the
>3 point max thing give
>me a couple days to
>crunch some numbers and we'll
>see what I come up
>with for a couple of
>units surrounding rock springs.
While yer at it, pick up a couple of area's in the Big Horns and in central Wyoming that currently have 20 - 40% draw odds. A three point max system does nothing to guarantee anyone a tag, so don't confuse the idea with what Colorado or any other state has for deer and elk. I'd also favor a 5 year waiting period on area's that have had long term draw odd's of less than 10%. Those guys who draw area 100 for example, wouldn't get a shot at that tag for another 8 years. Most guys woudn't want to wait that long and would choose other area's or might take a general tag. Everyone should have a decent shot at hunting some of these quality area's. Instituting a few changes would help the situation and allow people the opportunity to hunt somewhere every year if they still wanted to get out.
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I'd just as soon NOT see resident preference points implemented for deer/elk/antelope for the reasons stated above. The last thing we need is to end up with limited quota areas that become once or twice-in-a-lifetime hunts that can be drawn every two to five years under the present system. Everyone already does have a shot at hunting these "quality" areas. They have the same shot as anyone else. Lets leave it like that - don't fix what ain't broken.
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I forgot to mention that I like the idea of raising the price for the "premium" limited quota tags. There would have to be some common sense applied - i.e. "management" cow/calf or doe/fawn tags would remain pretty cheap, and the less desirable general hunt areas would remain relatively inexpensive. Folks hunt for alot of different reasons, I belive that we could pay quite a bit more for the better chances offered at trophy animals in premium units.
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Sounds good in theory,except the lucky guys keep drawing,and the unlucky ones never do.Every 2 to 5 years??Not for me,my friend.I can hardly draw a goat tag!!Also,I love the idea of paying more for a premium hunt,because I can afford it.Only problem is,Wyo G&F does NOT,I repeat-NOT manage any areas for trophy hunting.They only manage for OPPORTUNITY!Ask any one of them!They'll tell you straight out.I go through this every year with them.If you're one of the lucky ones(you must be,Southern Wyo),of course you love the system.I know a guy,30 yrs of age,who has put in since 14( for everything),and drawn 2 antelope tags.I don't care what anyone says,I don't see that as being fair.The system may not be "broke",but it could definitely use some "tweaking".Later,N.T.
SouthernWyo
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Lucky? Well, I guess I've had some drawing luck over the years, but like anyone else, it's run both good and bad. It's been my experience that over time, I (and for the most part, my compadres)tend to pull tags consistent with the odds. The antelope tag I apply for usually runs around 60% odds and I can plan on hunting roughly 6 years out of ten. One of the premium deer tags in this area runs around 4% odds, with a corresponding time frame to wait for a tag. I ain't saying that this holds true for everyone, but it has for me, and I'm not one of the folks that pull premium tags for every species every year. The undeniable fact is, though, EVERYONE has the same chance to draw as the next guy. It sucks to be unlucky, but thems the breaks. I wish I could gaurantee that I'd win the lotto eventually but that isn't going to happen either.
No disrespect intended, but I think that you are somewhat overstating your buddy's tough luck in drawing tags - if he's a resident, he can still hunt general seasons (including the famed region G and H) every single year, draw or not. I've never pulled a premium elk tag (but the area I apply for has less than 10% odds - it'll happen eventually), but I can still have a quality hunting experience every year hunting some of the best country around for bulls right out my back yard. We sometimes forget just how good we have it here.
No disrespect intended, but I think that you are somewhat overstating your buddy's tough luck in drawing tags - if he's a resident, he can still hunt general seasons (including the famed region G and H) every single year, draw or not. I've never pulled a premium elk tag (but the area I apply for has less than 10% odds - it'll happen eventually), but I can still have a quality hunting experience every year hunting some of the best country around for bulls right out my back yard. We sometimes forget just how good we have it here.
nontypical
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You are correct,SW.We do have it great here.We can hunt from Sept until the end of the year in some places.We're spoiled in Wyo.True,my friend can still have some good hunting every year on the general tags.You know as well as I do that Wyo hunting on general units has dropped off significantly in recent years.I think the system we use is unfair to some and very rewarding for others.I also have a buddy who seems to draw a premium tag almost every year.This year he drew area 100 elk(toughest draw in the state).4 years ago he drew are 124 elk(2nd toughest in the state).In between,he drew 2 much sought after deer tags.Not to mention the goat tags.My point is,I feel like the system could be tweaked to give the unlucky guy a little better chance.The lucky ones are still going to draw out.I'm not crying for myself(well,maybe a little)as much as for these other guys.If points were capped at 3,with a year or two waiting period after drawing a premium tag,that would help somewhat.At least a guy would feel like he has somewhat of a better chance at eventually drawing.You from Rawlins?Later,N.T.
