Monster Dutton Bull

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DuttonHunter10

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I just received reliable information that there is an extremely large bull surrounded by a posse on the Southeast side of the Dutton Unit. My source tells me that the posse of 15 is keeping the bull at bay until Saturday morning when the rifle LE opens. I wish I had the time on Saturday to go into the lower end of Deep Creek and Deer Creek and watch the show. This sounds more like a killing instead of a hunt.
 
Yeah. 15 guys can form a large corral by holding hands and keep the bull contained 24 x 7.
Sounds right to me.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-15-10 AT 10:15PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Sep-15-10 AT 10:12?PM (MST)

DUTTONHUNTER10 ,Thats one hell of a first post .Prepare to be destroyed .
 
Your sources are wrong. I paid the Mossback boys 100K to guard him from the rifle hunters and open the gate on him for me on my muzzle hunt there! And it is not 15, for the money I paid, there better be 1,500 people with ak47's guarding him in the camoflauged corral.
 
IF we could do away with the high bid permits We would have very few problems with the very agressive guides.
 
I wish I had time to go in there and blow him out of the country for good...
"keeping the bull at bay"..?? If someone paid 15 guides to locate and sit on the bull then, I guess, good for him. Pretty expensive shooting gallery though. I wonder if it qualifies as a "Canned Hunt" with so many guides..??? LOL :D

Interent rumors are the best...


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
really? you're upset that some hunters and/or guides are scouting a bull for an upcoming hunt?
 
I hear he is a monster also. But people have been watching him since early summer. He is no secret. I would laugh if he disappeared Friday night. That rock pile has several great bulls this year. I am shocked that the archery guys have not seen much success.
 
Dutton, I have watched from a distance in the past outfitters and their guides use vehicles to keep elk from leaving areas, some times the elk make it out, but they are usually running for a long ways to do so. For those who have not seen this, it is hard to believe the first time you see or hear of this. It is really a disgusting sight!!!!
 
During the archery deer hunt I got this is what I saw fly over Dutton.
Thought I would throw a little gas on the fire for you conspiracy guys.
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Thats all I have to say about that!
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-16-10 AT 04:31PM (MST)[p]I heard that they planted a tracking device on him.
 
Everyone laughs and jokes about this but that is what is happening every year with the big business of guiding for top B&C animals.
 
Monster

Well guys dont complain, just compile evidence for the state. I know lots of the F&G guys who would be more than willing to go after guides who are performing illigal acts whether it is the top paid guide in the state or the bottom feeders. Todays camcorders fit in your shirt pocket and so does several Point and shoot cameras. Take poics of signs and guides or anyone threatening you. If nothing shows up guess that supports the guides. I am not supporting anyone specific just saying, if nobody has the courage to counter actions with proof then dont say anything at all.

God Bless and shoot straight, remember the monsters are where you dont want to go.
 
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-17-10 AT 08:18PM (MST)[p]Whatever... it is public land they have a right to be there too. If you see that big posse look and try and see what they are looking at and go kill it too, its public land and the only person you should give consideration to is the one whith the tag in his pocket. Any upstanding outfitter should not have a problem with that.
 
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-17-10 AT 08:41PM (MST)[p]Watching a bull and surrounding a bull is two different things. Put the animal to bed, go to camp and sleep. Find him in the morn. Isn't that the sport?
 
Monster

Smalls the problem that people are hving is the encounters where guides, scouts, or bullies whatever you want to call themare forming large groups to surround the animals then threatening others while guarding those animals. The other claims are the physical threats are being made, guides afre going in and scaring the animals out of canyons when others get close or other pathetic acts to get there check. This is nothing to stand for no matter the size of check they write. I personally tire of hearing how we should get along if the money is there. I respect the guiding way of life and would rather guide then work; however, that is part of guiding to me. Yoou must know the country, the animals and their habits. That is why guides are so useful not individualswho hire 10-20 thigs who workout all day to intimidate others. I know somevery respectable and honorable guides who are close friends so that is my arguement. Support the real guides and cut out the others, were out of high school and dont need the recess bullies anymore. Collect your evidence act professional and remember keep a copy of everything for yourself for when the officials accidentally lose the evidence.

God Bless, shoot straight and take a youngster with you.
Getting along with everyone put Obama in the whitehouse!
 
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By the way has anyone out there ever watched the dvd with troy Justison guides a hunter into the great original bull Casper on the Monroe. If so, after they shoot you tell me if you do not hear a helicopter and see troy walk a way talking on a 2way motorola (hidden in his shirt) to the helicopter. Sorry, I could be wrong, makke your own decision. These are the tactics others are complaining about. Now remember personally I think that Troy is one of the most gifted and knowledgable guides in the country. Its just an example and yes htis was a long time ago and was Im sure poor editing techniques on the DVD.

God Bless
 
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-17-10 AT 10:33PM (MST)[p]I agree that 15 guys is a bit much. But as a guide myself in the state of NV I can tell you that big bulls are few and far.If i find a good bull a few days before a client is to arrive I will sit on him morning and night to keep track of him.On the other hand it is not my rite to bully anybody away and I wont due that.It is public land and we all have a rite to be there hunting.Ive stayed more than my share of nights in the truck trying to keep track of a bull but I want my clients to have the best shot they can get when they are ready to go.I stuck to my personal bull this year for 14 days before I got my shot.I scouted him for 35 days prior to killing him.Some guides due tend to be testy when you move in on them and that is understandable but its still public and it goes that way some times.I put in my time so I can get home to my family when the hunt is over and you cant do that if you are'nt out alot.
 
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Waiting on the stats for the opener. The first pass made or was there a sneak out the wing, anybody come from the back field to put pressure on the home team?
Good Luck and God Bless
 
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sad thing is 20 yrs ago someone would have read this(yeah I know on a stone tablet) and laughed or wondered what mental hospital the writer is in. Read it today and at least half of us are thinking it is probably more true than false. Sad what is becoming of our pastime.
 
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this is why all the poor,poor bowhunters are unsuccessful.

More made up BS "from a friend"
 
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There is nothing wrong with sitting on an animal to keep track if done proper. When sitting on an animal you cant get mad when someone else sees the animal. You can't push the animal so the other person that found it can't harvest it. You can't threaten or bully them away from the animal.

The next problem is someone finds the animal you have been sitting on for a client. You tell the sportsmen that you are hunting the animal and he moves to a different spot because you were there first. What you failed to mention is that you are guiding and your client is not even here yet. Misleading is also wrong.

The land we hunt on is public and we all have a right to be out there. The problem is those who will do anything to get the animal they want to harvest for them self or for a client. I wish I would run into some of these guide that do this. I would have so much fun with it.
 
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I read the first post and didn't see anywhere the mention of Guide. Who Is this Posse of 15? Dad Uncles cousins and brothers from Panguitch with a DIY'er? Who is the Posse? There are a couple Mossback hunters on the Dutton but those are 1x1 hunts. Just wondering.
 
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I went to the Dutton on the 10th, 11th, & 12th chasing this rumor of a monster bull on Flake Mountain. The rumor was that Doyle and/or some of his super guides were watching a GIANT bull in the area, so I figured we could go check it out and see how they handle intruders first hand. Well, we couldn't find anyone from the Mossback posse. Evidently they're not as mean as they're made out to be. They wouldn't even stick around long enough to ask a few questions. Oh well, someday I'll find one of them while I'm out and about. We didn't see very many Elk either but we did see lots of ATV's (all on the roads believe it or not) driving around with camo'd bow hunters that smelled like store bought elk pee. I never saw another hunter on foot, only on the roads driving ATV's. Good for us and the elk, not so good for the hunters. Everyone we talked with said the elk weren't talking at all, and we never heard a bugle, except for our own. It was still a good time, and a great primer for me and my upcoming Muzzle loader Elk hunt on the Monroe. Maybe I'll get a chance to meet one of the super elusive posse members while I'm hunting - they would be welcome in my camp anytime and I'm sure they would have alot of great stories and info to share. If you're an official Mossback guide, PM me and I'll give you coordinates to my camp so you can stop by for a snack and a drink. I would love to talk with you.
 
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Yea I hear you on the intimidation and threats, I had a guide try it on me in the gila one year. A simple f-you and reminder he is not on a lease fixed it. Just sayin.
I won't be intimidated,or will not back down if I encounter anything as described on my hunt. It is public land, and anyone without a tag in his pocket means nothing to me.
But, I have a hard time believing a lot of the stories posted here because no one ever posts pictures,video, or calls a wArden when so called threats are made,or roads are blocked. I guess instead of posting stories a guy should take action.
 
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Good story Dleonard. Doyle was hunting the pahvant with an archery hunter on those dates. There was a guide and one spotter with an archery hunter on the dutton then but they were not hunting flake. I'm just walking out the door for the monroe. Don't have any Muzz hunters there this year so you should be safe from the evil posse. I do have a friend with a muzz tag there this year so I can't really share any info till he is done. Would be glad to give up any info after that though. Good luck on your hunt.
 
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Word is the bull shot was a 370 bull. Great bull, and congrats to the hunter. I heard the same stories of a posse on the Dutton and was headed down lst night till I got a call and said no sign of the supposed posse.
 
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I just got back from hunting antelope on the Dutton/Paunsaugunt and seen a HUGE bull two nights in a row about 100 yards off the pavement on what I think is the Boulder unit. I'm no expert at judging elk, but I'd guess he'd easily go 370". Asked around and tried to find someone with tag, but didn't have any luck.

Seen a smoker 3x4 muley buck too that hopefully someone with a Paunsaugunt management tag will kill later this year. He was a beauty!
 
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As usual, the story fades to just a rumor. Like the Rolled and Salted Oats post a couple years ago.... C'mon, we all carry a camera phone, a camera, or video camera most of the time but no one would take a picture or video of these things?
 
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Anyone who posts accusations better have some form of proof, or they should be nuked and banned for life from this site.

HOW ABOUT IT MODS? Let us see some positive action on this.

If you don't make some changes, everything will stay the same.
 
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To hell with proof of things. This may be just rumor but stuff like that happens all the time and it should be told. Yes everyone should get it on video if possible. Two times I have had people blocking roads on me. Both times didn't end well for those blocking the road. Neither time did I think of getting my camera out.
 
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bearman, I don't mean to rattle your cage, but do you really think it would be O.K. for someone to post false accusations about YOU on the internet without any proof - just spreading rumors? Wouldn't you feel like you would need to come on here to defend yourself?

I don't have a problem with posting this stuff, as long as there isn't any question that it actually happened. I would take the word of someone I know to be an honest person, but it seems like there are a whole bunch of idiots out there that like to stir up the crap to try and get a reaction. We don't really need these people on here and I personally would like to see them gone.

One more thing. bearman, I would like to hear the details of what you did when these people blocked the road on you. Would you be willing to admit to the world what you did to solve your problem?
 
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Jason
A friend of mine informed me about this post so I thought I would get on and see what was said.
I do recall the DVD you are talking about the hunter was Dan Smith and yes we did end up taking the the Monroe Legend at the time (Casper). A great bull ( Nothing like what the Monroe has produced since not even close) Casper had elluded hunters for several years and we got luck enough to find him and take him.

Never at anytime was a Helicopter used on this hunt! Yes I did have a two way radio and I was not trying to hide it that is why it was left on the DVD. I make no excuses or deny using radio's to communicate with others on the hunt all of which where on the ground. It is not illegal in the state of Utah to do so.

I am not up set with the assumption that you made but I would suggest making sure that what you state is factual before posting it. If have done something wrong or unethical and it is posted here I have no problem with it as long as it is correct and factual. In this case it could not be further from the truth. When stuff is posted here that is hearsay or rumor all it does is devide us as hunters and makes everyone look stupid.

I agree 100% that we as guides and Outfitters bring alot of this upon ourselves. We have not done a good job policing ourselves and we have failed miserably in the public PR department.

I guess it just comes with the job and anytime you deal with something that people are pasionate about you are bound to have a little conflict.

Good luck on the Mountain!

Troy Justensen
 
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Nunya,
I saw the Mossback team down there personally all week on the Dutton so you can keep your 1x1 BS to yourself. I have no problems with it, but I cant stand when the guides come in and dont tell the whole truth about what is happening. Its their way of life and they should be able to use any means within the law to get the jopb done....thats what they get paid for, and the one thing you need on the Dutton is about 15 sets of eyes to find the elk, we learned that this week.
 
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Your not one of them nut jobs from MOAB that was runnin around down there are you bigbuckhunter? The dates I was talking of bigbuck there was one guide and one spotter one hunter. So keep your DIY with 15 buddies BS to your self.
 
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-27-10 AT 10:24PM (MST)[p]Well,
You can say whatever you want, it doesnt matter to me, lots of people saw a Mossback crew down there over the rifle hunt and there was lots more than just one on one with them. I for one hope they did good on there hunt but for some reason anyone involved with Doyle seems to have to lie about everything they do just to keep the public opinion on their good side. I never said anything bad about them I just said there was more than one when I was there. For your information there was one hunter one guide at least three spotters and three guys in the back of the truck that I dont know what their jobs were, so you do the math on how many were there.
 
RE: Monster

The dates we were talking about were during the archery hunt. Hurry and catch up!
Yes there were several guys on the unit during the rifle hunt.
 
never had a problem with the mossback guides. Love the videos also. keep up the good work mossback

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There are no big bucks in Utah! LOL
 
I have never had a problem with them either I think they do a great job at what they are paid for, and hope they continue cause the money they bring in is good for the critters around here.
 

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