world record colorado bull 617 ?

WOW I can't wait to hear the story on this BIG 'OL S.O.B!!!

Congrats to the artist...I mean hunter!

muleyman
 
Somebody check on Feleno!

I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
I got the same text. Can't imagine it came from anywhere other than a farm. I guess time will tell...
 
I would guess it came off a farm. And then someone photoshopped it to make it look even bigger.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-21-10 AT 07:02AM (MST)[p]getting that mutant through pen enclosure gate was a real beotch. took a little tractor maneuvering. what a hunter.
 
If the bull is real or not he still has some outstanding fronts.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
Looks fake, talks fake, walks fake... it's probably fake... I'd say this bull is a farm bull, I have no doubt a farm can grow 'em this big with hormones and other stuff... Oh, and photoshop...


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-21-10 AT 09:39AM (MST)[p]Ok ... I knew the true story would come out. I have seen other pictures of that bull before. This view makes it look different then the others. Didn't reconize it.
545 non typical SCI 526 typical. Sci record book 617 4/8. Corn feed just rattle the tin can with corn in it and it comes runnin.:)
 
From their web site, high fence hunt....

In 2003, we purchased a beautiful ranch in the Blackfoot mountains, just 30 miles west of the Tetons. Through what seemed to most an impossible task, we created another 5,000 acre preserve in the heart of the Blackfoot Mountains. Our Idaho preserve ranges from 5,500 feet in elevation to 8,000 feet and is the most pristine mix of pines, aspens and beautiful creek bottoms you will ever find. We also offer free range elk, Mule Deer, and moose hunts on 35,000 acres of exclusive access land on our Idaho ranch. With average success rates for guided elk hunts throughout the west dipping to 30%, we have felt that we should do better. We have been 100% for elk on our preserves, Shiras Moose and buffalo, and 90% for Mule Deer and Free Range Elk over the past twenty years. These high success rates are a direct result of a game management program specific to our private ground, unlike public ground throughout the west that is managed by state agencies and hunted by anyone and everyone (including outfitters).
 
Maybe I'm a dumbarse, but the 545 Idaho bull and the 617 bull look nothing alike. Colorado Oak has the right link, but am I missing something on the link to the Rulon Jones high fence operation?
 
Here's a question that I wish to pose to all of you.
Is it more "sporting" to set up a stand over an artificial
bait site when hunting deer or bear? Is it more "sporting"
to use hounds to chase lions or bears? Is it more "sporting"
to hunt deer and elk during the rut? Is it less "sporting"
to hunt on game ranches, some which are immense?
There is no right or wrong answer so long as the endeavor is
legal. The above questions posed are all legal and legitimate
hunting pursuits, whether we ourselves would do it, is another
question.
We are to quick to dismiss or dish others just because of a
personal bias toward that pursuit and in so doing hurt the
sport of hunting.
Many game ranches are legitimate hunting operations and the
game found there are equally wild and free. Yes, they are con-
fined so as to maximize genetic purity, but nevertheless, these
are NOT canned hunts.
Game ranches are here to stay and they serve a purpose for those
who are interested and that does not make them any less a hunter.
It is just a matter of personal preference, nothing more.
So let's be open minded about other hunter's and their personal
preferences as long as they are acting within the law when tak-
ing their trophy.
What do you guys think?


ELDORADO
 
Yes the pictures on the link look close but a little differnt. Can't tell if its the angles or the bulls little brother ? Maybe a mix up on there site and why the differnt scores? I dont know ?
 
I think that feeding elk in a pen all winter, supplementing its diet with the right mix of protein and minerals, and injecting it with hormones and/or antibiotics cannot be construed in any way or fashion as being wild. For a hunt to be a hunt there has to be some doubt about its outcome.
 
Elk that are feed by man ,have no fear of man. Hince the tongue and cheek phrase on my other post. Rattle the feed can and they come running. Maybe the graze all year and are only feed in the winter ? I dont know how the Broadmouth is run. But most farm rasied animals are tame,dont have to fight to live.
You come accross a elk in the wild and he gets your wind from a half mile and he takes off. I seen elk hunts on these game ranches and they stand there and let the hunters walk right up to them . They other elk with the one that gets shot just stand there. I guess what I am trying to say is they dont get hunted and dont know what to do when they see a hunter.
These elk only get harvested when a paying customer shows up and shoots one.
They may not be true for all canned hunts,buy let the same guy go out and hunt public land . He will never see a elk !
I have had some friends hunt high fenced areas and in most cases they tag a bow to make it more challenging. Why would that be ?
 
outdoordan, regardless how game ranches maximize the
genetic potential and safeguard that potential, it is
still considered a hunt by that state's game laws and
we should let it go at that.
Is a planted clover field or mineral lick any different
than what game ranches do. The goal here is to improve
the genetic potential of nearby game.
IMO, it is simply a matter of personal preference as long
as the endeavor/pursuit is legal. We all have different
perceptions of what hunting is all about and the enjoyment
it ultimately gives us.
I prefer to not hunt on a game ranch, but that is my choice.
Yet, I would not dismiss or dish the hunter or the trophy
taken. Just my opinion.


ELDORADO
 
ELDORADO
This sport needs more open minded people like you, unfortun ately, I am not one of them. A pen raised, juiced up bull, buck, whatever, in no way can be construed as a fair chase hunt. Yes, it is legal, and yes, SCI will recognize it. Comparing a high fence hunt to even a private land hunt with food plots is still 180 degrees different. To each his own, but I look at a juiced up animal as a joke. I understand there is a market for them, but I just don't get it. Again, just my opinion, and I appreciate your comments, I just don't agree with them.
 
>Not fake...just from an enclosed hunting
>area. Rulon Jone's place
>in Idaho...huge bull and congrats
>to the hunter. Not
>sure how big the ranch
>is, but hope it was
>a real hunt, maybe not
>a DIY experience, but a
>hunt none the same.
>Check it out:
>http://www.utahelkhunt.com/2010-world-record-elk.html


Try to paint this picture however you want but this elk was "ranched" and not WILD and therefore was not a REAL hunt.
 
Boone and crockett and Pope and young wont accept them. So they had to come up with there own (rich guy )club . Safari club international SCI .
When I see a SCI score on a animal I dont look very highly on it. It usually means high fenced hunt.
 
"The goal here is to improve
the genetic potential of nearby game. "

The goal is to give a "hunter" a disneyland fairytale hunt, complete with "happy ending" for something that he can not achieve through his own hunting prowess. For this, the "hunter" pays, and pays well. Pen raised Bull elk are not allowed to breed with wild elk, there is no potential for "bettering" a wild herd. Which is awesome as these elk ultimately came from the same elk herd to begin with. If nature can't provide the genetic mix, it shouldn't be man's role.

That said, the ultimate goal is CASH! Nothing more glamorous, nothing more honorable, nothing more worthy. These people do this for one reason, to make money.
 
...........so, if this "thing" is real, then where are some other pics of it?

I simply have to go with the photoshop theory.

Something like that, pen raised or whatever, would be posted extensively.

Maybe I'm just too dumb to find the actual story and other views.....any links?
 
I appreciate everyone's right to express their own opinions on this or any other site, but I'd have to agree with most of the posts above. This crap needs to be outlawed. These canned hunts do nothing but take away the credibility of real elk, real hunters, and all wildlife and wild places. We as hunters receive a black eye whenever one of these things becomes famous.

I don't care if the enclosure is 5 acres, or 5,000, it's still a canned hunt, nothing more. I don't know why the shooters even bother showing up. They've bought the animal before they arrive. Why not just buy the antlers after it's killed with a .22 in a squeeze chute. The farmer can ship the antlers to the shooter, and he can brag to his buddies about how he got them.

Disgusting. We should all be putting pressure on the states that still allow this to ban it altogher. This is the single reason that I can't support SCI. They do some awesome stuff to support hunting, but I can't recognize an organization that promotes this stuff.
 
Wow, how quick we are to judge. People hoping on the bashing wagon left and right. How many of you have really thought through what your saying? I dare say many have simply lashed out in pure emotion.

This is going to be a bit long, bear with me. I'm not saying I'm a supporter of high fenced operations but I'm also not saying I'm against them. I get that there are those preserves out there that are questionable at best when it comes to ethical hunting practices. Not all operations fall under this category. There are some that would physically challenge most typical hunters. 10,000 acres of land is a very sizable piece of real estate. That equates to 15.625 square miles. That gives those critters a nice piece of land to roam around. Some of these ranches have very challenging terrain to go along with the size of the property.

Yes, elk are vocal, so your eventually going to catch up to them but that holds true in many cases in the wild. On a 10,000 acre ranch, I dare say you would never see the fence except when you go through the gate.

The animals on these such operations are just as wild as any creature out there. At the first sign of humans (sight or smell) they are making tacks in the opposite direction.
How many of you, if given the chance, wouldn't even hesitate to hunt the coastal islands of California, where there's a real chance at a 200+ inch buck? How many, if given the chance, would be the first in line to hunt a bison on Antelope Island or if the state of Utah opened up hunting for trophy mule deer on the island? What's the difference between an island hunt or a fenced hunt? Both operations are carefully managed for trophy quality. In both cases the clients pay a large sum of money for the hunt, so what.

Some people say, well the elk on fence operations are feed during the winter, again so what! What about places like Jackson WY, or Hardware Ranch, UT, the wild elk are winter fed every year. State F&G agencies during harsh winters set up feed stations for deer. O.K. so the elk interact with humans during the winter on fenced preserves, wild elk do as well in places such as those mentioned above. It doesn't make them any less wild.

How many of you bashers out there have ever been to a commercial pheasant preserve, probably most. You had no problem with that, what's the difference.

Getting back to the money aspect of it all. I dare say most of the "respectable" operations weren't started as a way to get rich. They started from the passion of someone who loves to hunt and wanted to give others as well as themselves more opportunity for a "quality" experience. They had the financial means to begin such an operation and figured they could also make a living out of it, so what! What's wrong with making a living out of hunting elk, deer, etc... isn't that what every guide and outfitter out there is doing.

If Mr. Jones came to anyone of you out there and offered you a free hunt on any animal in his operations, how many of you would turn him down?

If you were offered the title and deed to such and operation, how many of you would turn away such an offer?

Just because someone else has the means to do what you only dream about doesn't make what there doing wrong.

For the record, I have no affiliation with any ranch, preserve, or hunting operation of any kind. I have never been to a big game preserve. I simply would like to see people think before they act, or in this case speak out with written words.

Good luck to all this fall!!
 
wapiti, thank you for your frank and sincere commentary.
Your comments buttress my own made on this thread but you
where far more eloquent that I could have been.


ELDORADO
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-29-10 AT 06:26PM (MST)[p]>The animals on these such operations
>are just as wild as
>any creature out there.
>At the first sign of
>humans (sight or smell) they
>are making tacks in the
>opposite direction.

Are you serious? On an elk ranch, you're shooting someone's livestock. I don't care what the terrain looks like or how many trees hide the 8 foot fence. Bottom line is that you are shooting some rancher's livestock. It's no different than coming out in the pasture behind my house and shooting a 900 lb black angus steer.


>so the elk interact with
>humans during the winter on
>fenced preserves, wild elk do
>as well in places such
>as those mentioned above.
>It doesn't make them any
>less wild.

Again, are you serious? When October rolls around, do you think it will be easy to get close to an elk that wintered on the feed grounds in Jackson? I'm pretty sure you'd be able to drive right up to an elk in a high fence ranch and shoot him. If you rattle the grain bucket, you might even be able to rope him and tie him up before you shoot him. He's seen humans every day of his life, and probably gets handled many times a year.

> They started from the
>passion of someone who loves
>to hunt and wanted to
>give others as well as
>themselves more opportunity for a
>"quality" experience.

Again, not a "hunt". Not a "quality experience".


>
>If Mr. Jones came to anyone
>of you out there and
>offered you a free hunt
>on any animal in his
>operations, how many of you
>would turn him down?

I would absolutely turn him down, and I suspect most of the hunting public would be with me on this one. I don't care if he's got 300" bulls, or 500" bulls. I would refuse to step foot on one of these places, free or otherwise.


>If you were offered the title
>and deed to such and
>operation, how many of you
>would turn away such an
>offer?

I would take it. I'd kill every elk on the place, donate the meat, sterilize the ground for a few years, and cut down the fences.

>
>Just because someone else has the
>means to do what you
>only dream about doesn't make
>what there doing wrong.

Generally, I believe we live in a free country, and I don't need to control what other people are doing with their lives. In this case however, I think it effects me directly. It reflects very poorly on me as a hunter when someone compares what I do with one of these fake hunt outfits.

>
>For the record, I have no
>affiliation with any ranch, preserve,
>or hunting operation of any
>kind. I have never
>been to a big game
>preserve.

Please go to one. See if you'd like to shoot one of their pet elk and be proud of the trophy.

>I simply would like
>to see people think before
>they act, or in this
>case speak out with written
>words.

I think I have. This is called a "forum". Defined in the dictionary as "a public meeting place for open discussion."

>
>Good luck to all this fall!!

Yes, good luck to all who hunt wild animals in wild places this fall under fair chase conditions.
 
I would much rather see rich people hunting high fence than hunting public or private land with one of these big money guides and there group of "want to be's". I don't want to hunt high fence but think they are just fine for some people.
 
Hunting on a game ranch . Is like playing hide and go seek with someone that doesn't know how to play hide and go seek!
It just isn't any fun.
 
I agree 100% with Full Curl. There's a reason people don't hunt Longhorn cattle and keep track of horn length records. Same reason I don't raise a 20-lb brown trout in my kid's aquarium, then "catch" it and have my picture taken with it. It's lame.

I'm not even sure why this bull was raised in Idaho or Colorado. Why not start your elk ranch in Georgia, Connecticut, or Illinois so your clients have less travel time? Imagine the size of the horns that could be grown in a fertile environment like Iowa or Hawaii!!!

There are reasons most of us on this forum love hunting big game in the West. Those reasons include the vast amount of open country, public land, and game that has seen very little human interaction.

Somebody in this thread compared paid/private bird hunts to elk ranches. It's not the same. Nobody keeps records of the monster quail they shot or the 10 trophy pheasants they killed in an attempt to get their name in the history books. Those hunts are a paid "adventure vacation" not unlike a photo safari, amusement park ride, or whatever. Apples and oranges.

By definition, "hunting" involves a SEARCH, along with a risk of not finding your prey. While high-fence, ranch, and island hunting are perfectly legal and a good source of income for certain entrepreneurs, they should be forced to trade the term "hunting" for 'harvesting' or 'shooting'. What those folks do and what I do on a hunt are not the same. They have no chance of getting skunked.

Save the ranch hunting for kids in wheelchairs, and by all means stop keeping SCI records of horn-growth science experiments.
 
Wow! Game ranches are "for kids in wheelchairs". No, game
ranches or private ranches are for anyone who so wishes to
hunt them. They are a matter of choice. Let's leave it at
that.


ELDORADO
 
"Hunting on a game ranch . Is like playing hide and go seek with someone that doesn't know how to play hide and go seek!"

Wow, that's hilarious... And totally sums up high fence hunting. Well stated.
 
>Wow! Game ranches are "for kids
>in wheelchairs". No, game
>ranches or private ranches are for
>anyone who so wishes to
>
>hunt them. They are a matter
>of choice. Let's leave it
>at
>that.
>
>
>ELDORADO


No, thanks. I understood your opinion/position the first three times you expressed it but I don't care to reword mine.
 
Im curious, how many of the people bashing high fence operations have actually been on one?

I havent, therefore I wont really bash them.

To say that a high fence operation affects you as a hunter is a total sham. The stereotype of a hunter is not one that hunts high fence areas. If you are being honest, hunters are generally classified as uneducated bumpkins, with big trucks with stupid stickers (i.e., "the hornier the better", who think they own the mountain during the season, and drink excess amounts of beer while leaving the cans on the hill.

Having a high fence ranch is like someone owning a strip joint. Its not my cup of tea, so I choose not to go there. Because other men choose to go, that by no means reflects on me as a man.

And for those of you who are quick to bash the ranches, how many of you would pass on a 400" bull that crosses the dirt in front your truck as you enter your legal hunting area? ALL of you would. You would, even though you didnt "hunt" the animal. You just shot it. I dont see a ranch as being that much different than that scenario. Both are just target practice.

I wont go to a ranch to hunt, because I dont think Id enjoy it, but I certainly wont bash someone who does unless they tried to pass it off as a "hunt".
 
>I dont see
>a ranch as being that
>much different than that scenario.
> Both are just target
>practice.
>
>I wont go to a ranch
>to hunt, because I dont
>think Id enjoy it, but
>I certainly wont bash someone
>who does unless they tried
>to pass it off as
>a "hunt".

Seriously now, what high-fence patron DOESN'T try to pass it off as a hunt? Do you see their picture in target shooting magazines or hunting magazines? Do you think the taxidermy will show up at the SHOT show or the SCI show? You're just playing devil's advocate but you know those guys consider themselves hunters and that the non-hunting public doesn't distinguish between them and us.
 
Do you honestly think that when someone walks into the high fence guy's house and comments on his big bull on the wall, he blurts out, "Yup, killed it in a fenced in enclosure. Took the ear tags out when they mounted it."

Of course not. He wants people to think of him as an elk hunter that killed a monster bull.
 
The thing I don't really understand is having these "trophy" photos taken. 5000 acres is only 7 square miles thats like 2.5 x3.1. Seriously ridiculous. My friends got some of these pics on their cell phones and were trying to tell me it was from unit 9 in az. Unreal. Hunt these ranches all you want but please come on with the trophy photos.
 
Of course they want to be perceived as hunters. I still dont get why anyone cares. It still doesnt reflect on you. Back to the 400" bull that you stumble across off the road opening morning. You know you will shoot him, and your story wont be what really happened. There is no way you would come in here and tell everyone, "Yep, saw him 20 yards off the road. Got out of the truck and he just looked at me so I shot him. Helluva hunt." The truth would be stretched a bit to sound like more of a legitimate hunting experience.

Oh, I still havent heard if any of the bashers have been to a ranch yet.
 
I'm generally okay with "to each his own", but public perception of hunting is a combination of many things, some unfavorable. On one end of the spectrum is the uneducated bumpkin you described and on the other is the guy who pays big money to shoot a trophy that has no chance (or desire) to escape. Neither stereotype is great for our sport.

We're never going to get rid of high-fence ranches, but it would be great if SCI would quit scoring livestock harvested in that type of evironment. This would at least eliminate some of the incentive for potential patrons.

As for this basher, I've never been to that type of hunt. Public land, fair chase, DIY. This doesn't necessarily make me better than anyone else, but you asked.
 
So SportsmaNV, any game taken from any private property/
ranch, like from the famed Heaton Ranch in Utah or the
Spur Ranch in Colorado, is therefore not a legitimate hunt
or trophy? I am sure that on these properties, the deer and
elk are managed for their trophy potential. Some of these
animals have even appeared on some of the best known hunting
magazines. I truly doubt that the Heaton Ranch or Spur Ranch
would conduct and ever would conduct canned hunts.
In the end, hunting will always be a matter of perception
and preference, but I do agree with you that we as hunters
must work together to protect that perception and preference
without resorting to endless and unsupportable recriminations
about ourselves and the sport that we enjoy.


ELDORADO
 
Grizzmoose ? your not going to get anywhere with asking logical questions like ?would you shoot the bull next to the road?. I asked the same questions a month ago when a Utah archery deer hunter admitted to hunting a big buck from a road. He was labeled a road hunter and was therefore in the wrong. Not one hunter would pass up a big buck/bull next to a road if they were able to legally kill it. A lot of people want to hunt Africa and have a huge desire to do so. I've heard from a lot of hunters that have been to these ranches in Africa and they use tall rigs and have the roads in a grid system so the ?hunters? never really have to leave the truck?sounds sporting. What about hunting the strip? I know that a lot of people just road hunt the strip so they can cover a ton of ground looking for a big buck.

I have no issues with high fenced operations, I will never hunt on one nor will I support one. I will support the SCI because they do a lot for hunting and shooting. You throw the shooter under the bus but how do you know he is telling everybody that it was killed fair chase? Someone could have got ahold of the pic and came up with a story just to stur the pot. I've seen email chains where the originator of it had a story that was legit then after the rounds the buck grew 20?+ and is now the new worlds record, this makes the originator look like a fool when he didn't do anything.

How can you say these canned hunts make regular hunters look bad? When 90% of the public will never see the pics or be on the property. What about the Tree hugger or random non hunter is going for a ride in the mountains and comes across a truck full of drunkin idiots pilled in the bed of a truck road hunting, or stumbles across a cow with an arrow or bullet hole in it? What makes our sport look worse?
 
We need to all get together and put a stop to these genetically
altered animals. Say why? Well all across the nation we have a problem with http://www.lib.niu.edu/2002/oi021015.html that was first found in CAPTIVE deer in Colorado. This is what happens when we think we can make a super animal and play the part of God.
 
>So SportsmaNV, any game taken from
>any private property/
>ranch, like from the famed Heaton
>Ranch in Utah or the >
>Spur Ranch in Colorado, is therefore
>not a legitimate hunt
>or trophy? >

I'm not familiar with either of those places but I have no problem with the average private property hunt or most guided hunts. It's high fences, feeders, etc that fire me up.
 
Droptine45, there is no evidence that CWD started with
penned animals only that the first documented case of
the disease was in captive animals.
I hardly see the similarities to animals held in cramp-
ed,crowded quarters some 40 years ago to animals today
roaming freely behind immense fenced properties.
Also the care and safeguarding of these animals has vast-
ly improved with state and Federal laws protecting both
the public and animal. If CWD where prevalent with game
ranch or private property animals, I would not doubt for
a minute the state acting to restrict or close these op-
erations; at least making it illegal to remove the animal
whole or in part from the property. But, this has not been
the case.
To say that CWD is the by-product of game ranching is both
unsubstantiated at best and a stretch at worse.


ELDORADO
 
I'll add my $.02. I actually HAVE been on a high fence elk ranch. A couple years back when the economy wasn't in the crapper one of our suppliers took myself and a couple other individuals from my company and a couple other companies on an pheasant hunt. This hunt just so happened to be in Colorado on a ranch that also had a high fenced section. This was a large ranch, I believe the high fence portion was something like 20,000+ acres. One afternoon when we had finished hunting birds they offered to take us through the high fence portion to look at the elk. It was early October so it was neat to see the big rutting bulls, but once we drove around the ranch a while it was obvious these elk don't even have a chance, even with 20,000+ acres. When we got back to the lodge that night we then got the sales pitch for a bull. We are all in upper management positions so they figured guys like us would have the coin to pony up for a bull, but none of us went for it. The whole reason they took us on the tour was to try to get us excited about the big bulls and hopefully one of us would decide to shoot one. They even had a rifle in the truck during the tour in case one of us decided we saw a bull we just couldn't pass up.

The next day we bird hunted right up one of the high fences on the lower part of the ranch. There was an absolute giant bull pacing the fence line, bugling like crazy. We walked right up to him on the opposite side of the fence and he could have cared less. We talked to one of the ranch hands and they said they kept that bull in a separate pen as they didn't want him to break his antlers, he wouldn't be worth anything busted up. They even offered to let one of us shoot that bull for a hefty chunk of change.

I'm not trying to bash the guys that want to hunt the high fence stuff, but those ranchers are there for only one thing, big money and nothing else. As far as what I saw with the high fence operation, there is really no hunting involved, just pulling the trigger. It would be about the same as driving out in a field, picking the fattest beef cow you can find, and pulling the trigger. Again, just my $.02.
 
I dont believe I am bashing high fenced operations ! Just stating the facs. I enjoy seeing elk and big game animals in general. Yes I have been to a game ranch ,not as a hunter. Some operation are better than others. A friend hunted on one and had a good time,shot a 390 something bull with a bow.But he kinda puts his head down and says nice bull but it was shot in a high fenced area. Know one holds it against the guy but he nows the difference. He is a good hunter and still hunts ( real game)
I guess what I am saying is we like hunting ! Not just shooting a animal. Its like this, years ago my dad drew a LE elk tag. He shot his bull the first evening. It was great ,his health wasn't the best and he got a good bull. But on the flip side,we where done hunting. It was over,we couldn't hunt anymore. I guess if you aren't a hunter maybe you dont understand that . But it about the hunt,the experince shared with family and friends. The beautiful animal (or mount)you get to take home is just to help you remember those things.
Most canned hunts aren't the same as real hunts !
 
The Heaton Ranch is a CWMU. It is not a high fenced operation. They have wild animals on private property . Not the same . Not sure about the colorado place you ask about.
As for the 612 bull above he is cool to look at and admire.Dont get me wrong,he is a stud !! But not the same as wild elk.
 
BIGJOHNT, nothing like the memories of a good hunt, a hard
earned trophy hanging on your wall, and all that tasty meat.
My father, brother, and I always chose the challenge of pub-
lic land hunting and no matter the scarcity of game or the
hordes of hunters, we still enjoyed every minute. Beautiful
memories where experienced that I will always take with me.
These where my perceptions of what hunting was all about be-
cause of my father. I will always be beholding to him for
having shown me the joy and love of being in the outdoors and
the dignity and respect of the hunt.
I do not begrudge others for having a different perception of
the hunt, that is their choice. Mine was established in youth
and reinforced through time and I have never regretted at any
time my experiences of having hunted on public land.


ELDORADO
 
I would far rather see any animal like the spider bull not be let in the record book. At least SCI has high fence hunts in a different category. The big money hunts like spider bull make us look far worse to the public than high fence hunts.
 
Big bull for sure,but not a fair chase hunt.Even on 20k area in the wild on public land,elk will move out if pressed to much.Don't really have anything against these fenced ranches,but I can't afford one and don't really think I would go if I could.Some of best,memorable hunts have resulted in tagsoup.Fair chase,DIY for me.
 
IMO....
Whats this MM site designed for? Yep, your right, showing off animals, whether dead or alive. Without a doubt, this Gigantor meets and beats any of those requirements. This thing is a true Giant. Wish it was mine!
Now as far as whether this was MUEY GRANDE'S R US, or MOSSBACK, (who ever the hell they are) I would not know them if I was seated by them in Pizza Hut. Or shot in a High fence area (and I dont see a fence). My advice is to use the DG method of ratings.........
Again, not to take ANYTHING away from the animal on the ground, its probably the largest elk I have ever seen, and its a world champion in my book!
My rating system, which is constantly changing, puts EVERYTHING else into perspective.
So, how this animal was harvested will fit between 1-237 on my list, wheres it on yours? And thats ALL that should matter to YOU! Heres some of mine and what impresses me the most!

#1 Hunter was hunting an OTC General area with 6000 other hunters. Saw the bull, forgot to put powder in his reloads, gun never went off, picked up a baseball sized rock and killed it. IMPRESSIVE!

#47 Kill a forked horn Mule deer with general tag in a over hunted area with 4500 other hunters

#124 Hunted a LE area with 1 other person, in an area I cant ever draw. So Basically beat 1 other guy in "King" of that Mountain.

#237 Rode a feed wagon into a fenced area. Kicked out some Alfalfa out onto the ground. Sparky and Coco run up to eat. Hunter hops off feed wagon, takes 4 steps to the right so the pass threw does not kill Coco (just sparky).

I dont know the Hunter or the hunted. Nor do I really care. Only the guy posing in the picture really knows. As for the ELK, its king in my book. As for the hunter, he will fall somewhere between 1-237 on what he really accomplished..........
 

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