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HorseCreek
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Holy hell that's a pretty bull!
Traditional only >>>------->
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I am seeing 175 lbs for the entire hind quarter behind the 3rd rib from the back which would draw a line halfway between the front and back legs. I think the original hind quarter post only included the upper leg, ball joint, no ribs and no hip bones on an average bull but I could be mistaken.
Great bull and lets here the whole story and some after taxi pics. What state?
Great bull and lets here the whole story and some after taxi pics. What state?
npaden
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Way nicer bull than anything I've shot.
I still don't buy an 800+ lb field dressed animal without the skin though. That would be a 1,200+ lb bull on the hoof.
The crazy thing about those pictures is that it took 2 1/2 hours to skin half of an elk based on the timestamp from that 2nd picture to the 2nd picture from the bottom.
I still don't buy an 800+ lb field dressed animal without the skin though. That would be a 1,200+ lb bull on the hoof.
The crazy thing about those pictures is that it took 2 1/2 hours to skin half of an elk based on the timestamp from that 2nd picture to the 2nd picture from the bottom.
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bearman
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Saw through the center of the spine for a true quarter. As for the time frame hell I don't know how long it took. We took tons of pictures and many other things before starting to work on the elk. Why would you be looking at the time any way? You can add any numbers you want for the elk I know exactly what it weighted and every other elk I weighted. Your numbers are way off on the quarters so how would you know what the guts weight? And half the hide weights 50lbs.
LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-10 AT 03:28PM (MST)[p]You can't blame a guy for shooting from a truck can you? I'd rather be lucky than good any day. This shows his hind quarters are not for packing out but loading into a truck. We have been talking about two different things this whole time.
Silly us.
I'm surprised it's not more bloated from sitting for over 2 hours with the guts still in it.
Silly us.
I'm surprised it's not more bloated from sitting for over 2 hours with the guts still in it.
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-10 AT 03:36PM (MST)[p]The question was what is the average weight of elk quarters. I have weighted many and those are the numbers I have seen. Just because you don't take all the meat so your quarters weight less don't start calling someone a lier. He is not bloated at all. You see the coats on, it cold. When you start kill big stuff lets see how long you take to take pictures. There is no need in being in a hurry. We took our time this is the biggest I have got "417 gross".
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bearman
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I have packed out true quarters many times in the past. But I guess that is why I cant pack any out now. More muscle than brain.
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Ihuntthereforeiam
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Thats racist....hope i spelled racist right. Who cares what it weighted it a huge bull with a big body and i dont know about you guys but im not that good at judging body weight just racks of every kind...thats sexist
Shoot em till their dead
Shoot em till their dead
No hard feelings. Pretty sure no one here considers an average elk to go between 380 and 417 and we were all obviously talking about two different meanings for quarters and the reasons we would cut them that way. If you want to address my "Will I" post then do it in the "Will I" post. I'd be glad to help out with any questions you may have.
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bearman
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No hard feelings I just got fired up because I have weighted many and know what they weight.
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NV4Life
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You two idiots are both right. Obviously if you take ?true? quarters and split the bull in 4 equal pieces it's going to weigh more than just a shoulder/hind leg. I don't know a single person that would actually cut a bull into 4 equal parts and carry it off a mountain, if you can you are f?n Heman. And to say someone doesn't get all the meat because they don't cut it into ?true? quarters is retarded. It doesn't take much time to get all the meat off of the ribs and neck and throw it into a game bag. But when you kill a bull in the bar-ditch the packout seems to be easier, should have loaded it whole wouldn't have wasted as much as quartering it out. Got a score sheet on that 417?
LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-10 AT 04:17PM (MST)[p]>You two idiots are both right.
>Obviously if you take ?true?
>quarters and split the bull
>in 4 equal pieces it's
>going to weigh more than
>just a shoulder/hind leg. I
>don't know a single person
>that would actually cut a
>bull into 4 equal parts
>and carry it off a
>mountain, if you can you
>are f?n Heman. And to
>say someone doesn't get all
>the meat because they don't
>cut it into ?true? quarters
>is retarded. It doesn't take
>much time to get all
>the meat off of the
>ribs and neck and throw
>it into a game bag.
>But when you kill a
>bull in the bar-ditch the
>packout seems to be easier,
>should have loaded it whole
>wouldn't have wasted as much
>as quartering it out. Got
>a score sheet on that
>417?
Like I said, we were talking about two different things the whole time as expected. I don't think he is claiming this bull as 417. Looks like a solid 380+ gross though. Not sure he is even claiming that it's his. I've never hunted wherever they shot that bull but I sure wouldn't skin it in the dirt or sand unless the truck was really handy as in this case. I only skin and bone in fresh snow or it waits until I get home, unless the truck is really close of course. It looks like a nice skinning job and I will give someone credit for that.
>Obviously if you take ?true?
>quarters and split the bull
>in 4 equal pieces it's
>going to weigh more than
>just a shoulder/hind leg. I
>don't know a single person
>that would actually cut a
>bull into 4 equal parts
>and carry it off a
>mountain, if you can you
>are f?n Heman. And to
>say someone doesn't get all
>the meat because they don't
>cut it into ?true? quarters
>is retarded. It doesn't take
>much time to get all
>the meat off of the
>ribs and neck and throw
>it into a game bag.
>But when you kill a
>bull in the bar-ditch the
>packout seems to be easier,
>should have loaded it whole
>wouldn't have wasted as much
>as quartering it out. Got
>a score sheet on that
>417?
Like I said, we were talking about two different things the whole time as expected. I don't think he is claiming this bull as 417. Looks like a solid 380+ gross though. Not sure he is even claiming that it's his. I've never hunted wherever they shot that bull but I sure wouldn't skin it in the dirt or sand unless the truck was really handy as in this case. I only skin and bone in fresh snow or it waits until I get home, unless the truck is really close of course. It looks like a nice skinning job and I will give someone credit for that.
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I love when we all fight over size just by looking at the pictures. That bull may very well gross 417. All the tines are nice and long, the 3rds and 4ths are really good on the bull. Hell, the main beams could be 60+ inches for all we know looking at a few pictures...
I went to the expo last year, I couldn't believe some of the mossback mount scores. They looked smaller than 400 bulls to me...
I went to the expo last year, I couldn't believe some of the mossback mount scores. They looked smaller than 400 bulls to me...
I know one thing, I've never seen a elk get cut into true quarters out on the field. If he's that close to the truck, load him whole and keep the meat clean until you can get him to a better place to process. If he's too far from the truck, you've got to be nuts to pack all of that extra weight of the mountain. Just my $.02.
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ELKTAPER
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I was going to post something about how retarded this is, but now I am glad I WEIGHTED to see how really retated it got!
ELKOHUNTER
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Thats an NV bull that was shot like 2 years ago! Still a heck of a bull. Kinda nice to see more pics of him.
("For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9")
("For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9")
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Who the hell cares about the weight and size of that bull and how you cut it up?? That is a great looking bull, enough said!
pookiebar
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"The crazy thing about those pictures is that it took 2 1/2 hours to skin half of an elk based on the timestamp from that 2nd picture to the 2nd picture from the bottom."
How long should it take to skin out half an elk, legs and all? Especially being careful so they can get a full body mount?
How long should it take to skin out half an elk, legs and all? Especially being careful so they can get a full body mount?
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>How long should it take to
>skin out half an elk,
>legs and all? Especially
>being careful so they can
>get a full body mount?
Less than 2 1/2 hours.
I'm sure some of that time was spent going and getting the truck that they drove right up to it though.
I had my last elk quartered, deboned and caped out in 3 hours with my friend mainly just helping hold the legs, giving a tug here or there on the hide, etc.
Looking at the pictures it seems like the lower legs are sawed off already and just laying there to the side with the hide on them.
>skin out half an elk,
>legs and all? Especially
>being careful so they can
>get a full body mount?
Less than 2 1/2 hours.
I'm sure some of that time was spent going and getting the truck that they drove right up to it though.
I had my last elk quartered, deboned and caped out in 3 hours with my friend mainly just helping hold the legs, giving a tug here or there on the hide, etc.
Looking at the pictures it seems like the lower legs are sawed off already and just laying there to the side with the hide on them.
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NV4Life
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Yep I'm not sure how a full body mount would look without lower legs...
I don't think they had to drive far to get this bull as it died in the bar ditch.
I don't think they had to drive far to get this bull as it died in the bar ditch.
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bearman
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Holly hell he was no where near any road or bar ditch!! How long does it take to go get a truck take more pictures?
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bearman
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Thank you to anyone that gave a compliment. To everyone else that is worried about time between pictures or size or any thing else, who cares! I took as long as I wanted to, and Ray Charles can see he is way over 400! This whole thing started about weight of quarters between me and a couple others and I'm way past done justifying every thing. I'm sure there are people out there that can out butcher or hunt me but I'm certain they are not the ones questing every thing. I have butchered my whole life and been in on well over 60 elk kills not to mention deer, sheep, lion or extra. Have a good day all.
Anyone that claims they kill elk with 175lb hind quarters might need to spend a few minutes defining what they mean by "hind quarters" or let the pissin match begin.
Had you read and understood what was originally meant by "hind quarters", you could have saved us all a lot of time. But we don't come on MM.com to save time anyway now do we?
We learned you hunt from a truck and don't need to pack out hind quarters (as we know them) from 6 miles in and that explains everything.
Nice bull once again, just leave the myth busting to us.
Had you read and understood what was originally meant by "hind quarters", you could have saved us all a lot of time. But we don't come on MM.com to save time anyway now do we?
We learned you hunt from a truck and don't need to pack out hind quarters (as we know them) from 6 miles in and that explains everything.
Nice bull once again, just leave the myth busting to us.
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bearman
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You know nothing of my bull as you said it was killed in a bar ditch! And nigga I have packed many bulls miles. I never said what way is the best way to cut up for packing. I would place every thing I have that You don't have the first clue on the best way to quarter or hunt. I have never kill any thing from a road! Every one I know would read what you said the weight of quaters and laugh that you are hunting deer.
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-11-10 AT 09:57AM (MST)[p]...
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NV4Life
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I know what your bull scores (397-6/8 net), I was just seeing if you would produce a score sheet. No need to get butt hurt, everybody takes stuff way to serious anymore.
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bearman
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You said he was killed in a bar ditch so you don't have a clue!!!
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NV4Life
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I know more than you think. I can tell you almost exactly where your bull was killed if you want. I never said anything bad about your bull as its a huge elk. I confused your bull and another bull that was killed on the same depredation hunt that was killed in the bar ditch.
I too have helped pack out a lot of elk and I know exactly how to break down a bull in short time, and take all the meat.
I too have helped pack out a lot of elk and I know exactly how to break down a bull in short time, and take all the meat.
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bearman
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There you go you was talking about the velvet bull not mine! You should say sorry, you don't get on here talking chit that you don't know. So don't act like you know me or where my bull was killed as only two people know and you aren't one of them. I knew exactly what bull you thought you where talking about. You post something and have me start saying you shot him in the bar ditch and going on like I know about your hunt. I would be out of line as you are!
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Lets just say there's packsaddle 1/4's and there's road hunter 1'4's. both have their own weight range .
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NV4Life
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I still know where YOU killed that bull...
No need to get worked up, its not like people believe what they read on the interweb.
No need to get worked up, its not like people believe what they read on the interweb.
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Well I stand corrected. Looked at the pics again and sure enough there is the front leg laying off to the side. My bad.
So I guess the real question is, why the hell skin it that way? I understand caping it out out, but on the back end who cares. Just get the thing loaded up.
So I guess the real question is, why the hell skin it that way? I understand caping it out out, but on the back end who cares. Just get the thing loaded up.
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bearman
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amen!
This is a great bull. No matter what it's quarters weighs, he is awesome.
I must say that the picture taken where the photographer is elevated does make the bull look impossibly large.
No matter the facts, this is a great harvest and a beautiful bull. Congrats to the shooter.
I must say that the picture taken where the photographer is elevated does make the bull look impossibly large.
No matter the facts, this is a great harvest and a beautiful bull. Congrats to the shooter.
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personally he looks more like a 380 bull, but since my experience in shooting and scoring bulls is super low quality... my opinion doesn't count... that being said, what a monster bull! great photos!
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This is one of the lamest bitching contests I have ever seen. Honestly, who cares what a quarter weighs!!! They are all different. This is like comparing my weight at 5' 10" and out of shape to my buddy who is 5' 6" and in shape. Not apples to apples. And who cares if you are a big enough man to haul it out with the spine cut in half attached to the rib cage and head and neck and blah blah blah. It is a great bull and the body weight is insignifant as well as the time stamp on the pics. If I shot a bull that big I would take hundreds of pics over hours. Move on to other subjects. People getting heated over the weight of an elk quarter. Wow.
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I havn't seen a railing like this since the Pamela and Tomy Lee tape came out!!
Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
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B_BOP_A_LU_LU
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runamuk!
That's how this thread started!
Now you need to post the other Pic where they are kissin & makin up!
God is Great!
Life is Good!
And People are Crazy!
I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
That's how this thread started!
Now you need to post the other Pic where they are kissin & makin up!
God is Great!
Life is Good!
And People are Crazy!
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
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Bullelk1
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I'm waiting for someone to jump on the statement about the hide weighing 100 pounds.....
>I'm waiting for someone to jump
>on the statement about the
>hide weighing 100 pounds.....
Is that really as bad as all his elk hind quarters out weighTing Alaskan Yukon moose hind quarters or how he cuts them all the same whether he shoots them on the road or in the boonies or how all his bulls' antlers go passed their asses???
Ok, I made the last one up but I'm not sure where to stop or start with this thread other than it's hard to keep your mouth shut when the bs is getting so deep.
>on the statement about the
>hide weighing 100 pounds.....
Is that really as bad as all his elk hind quarters out weighTing Alaskan Yukon moose hind quarters or how he cuts them all the same whether he shoots them on the road or in the boonies or how all his bulls' antlers go passed their asses???
Ok, I made the last one up but I'm not sure where to stop or start with this thread other than it's hard to keep your mouth shut when the bs is getting so deep.
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B_BOP_A_LU_LU
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Lol!
It's gettin close though runamuk!
God is Great!
Life is Good!
And People are Crazy!
I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
It's gettin close though runamuk!
God is Great!
Life is Good!
And People are Crazy!
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
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I must say that you guys are really entertaining. Between all the mis-spelling and ranting about elk quarters I was pretty entertained for about 5 minutes. Thanks again.
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koldtrailin
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Great bull !!! I don't care about the weight of the quarters !!! It sounds like you earned it !!!
