WY Area 7 elk Anyone with max pts goin on a DIY

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Hey guys i live in riverton utah,And i have max points for elk.I want to put in for area 7,But would like someone else to put in with me with max points,Its a far trip and if we shared expenses goin up there it would mean we get to go alot more..I was thinking of spending most of my time on the archery season,Im goin to apply for as many hunter magmt hunts i can and get as many permission slips i can also if i draw..I know this is kind of late to plan this in a week or so.But i would like the company if someone is in or even a few people..I hae all blm maps for all of area 7,And do know a little on where to start....PM me with any questions,thanks kelly
 
Hey if you draw pm me and I will tell you where to try on private property. You get five days but have access to some big bulls. Bow or Rifle.
 
Definately try to get some private land access... Public has become a zoo. The biolgists keep sending anyone the will listen to the big public areas (Black Mountain/ashenfeldter, Deer Creek and Laramie Peak HMA) and thus they have been over run with hunters the last couple years especially during archery... The trail head on Black Moutain looked like a Wal-mart parking lot during archery season (rifle was probably flat out dangerous). Everyone I saw said the same thing "game warden/biologist said this was the best area for getting away from people"... none of them were very happy.
 
Been some talk that the G & F may make 7 a general season tag. The elk numbers are growing exponentially between 7 & 19 which is considered the same herd. Since the G & F isn't in the business of managing for quality and they just want the money and the herd sized reduced, I could see this happening in the next few years. They already give out 3000 or so tags. Be interesting to see what the numbers might jump to. If they did, I'd pick up a tag if I didn't draw a limited quota tag...
 
2012 I'd say will make 7 and 19 one big general area.. that's also the thought of the WGFD regional director. I can't imagine how bad the pressure will be on public ground if that happens... it's ridiculous right now w/ 5000 tags.. bet the pressure will double....
 
>Been some talk that the G
>& F may make 7
>a general season tag.
>The elk numbers are growing
>exponentially between 7 & 19
>which is considered the same
>herd. Since the G
>& F isn't in the
>business of managing for quality
>and they just want the
>money and the herd sized
>reduced, I could see this
>happening in the next few
>years. They already give
>out 3000 or so tags.
> Be interesting to see
>what the numbers might jump
>to. If they did,
>I'd pick up a tag
>if I didn't draw a
>limited quota tag...
 
>>Been some talk that the G
>>& F may make 7
>>a general season tag.
>>The elk numbers are growing
>>exponentially between 7 & 19
>>which is considered the same
>>herd. Since the G
>>& F isn't in the
>>business of managing for quality
>>and they just want the
>>money and the herd sized
>>reduced, I could see this
>>happening in the next few
>>years. They already give
>>out 3000 or so tags.
>> Be interesting to see
>>what the numbers might jump
>>to. If they did,
>>I'd pick up a tag
>>if I didn't draw a
>>limited quota tag...
WTF,are you a utard,tell me where you get your info from,wyo dont need the money,only state with more loot is alaska,area 7 aint going general in your lifetime FOOL.wyo might not manage for guality, but they have the quanity,you by an otc elk lisence and you can shoot any elk,cow,calf,SPIKE,or 380 bull.

i'll take"i hate stupid people for a thousand alex"
 
Actually its been talked about probably more rumor than anything but its been talked about for three years now. I will believe it when I see it.
 
Hey azzhat, go to the WY G & F spring meetings. That's where I get my info from, the the biologists who set up there and tell us their thoughts and intentions. As for money the G & F is basically a self funded entity where most of their money is generated through license sales. And they've been spending a large chunk of that on wolves, bears and non game species. Just some words of advice, it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. MT...
 
Imagine him calling you a FOOL! I'm glad you put him in his place!!! Why is it that some people spout off on stuff when they have no friggin idea what they are talking about?
 
Hey Triple BB,
I did not know that the Game and Fish biologists were talking about it. Its interesting to know that they are talking about it. What do you think the outcome will be if they do go through with it? As far the general hunt quality?
 
Ya know it makes sense why they would go general. For a number of facts.
A. They never reach the kill quota in that unit.
B. Tons of private property and thats the ones that don't let you hunt. (I might be exaggerating a little there).
Etc.....
They give out alot of permits anyways, why not. I wonder when they are going to say "ok this is enough let make it general". Serioulsy its pretty much not a limited quota unit anymore with the amount of permits that are given out. That and when you can not kill the quota needed to balance the heard population in that unit things go wrong. There are tons of elk in that unit, and tons of complaining ranchers that will or will not allow hunting. Just my thoughts.
 
Tree, it was something that one of the biologists threw out in their discussions. They were talking about how the herd objective had been raised to 5000 and they were well over 9000 animals at that time. He noted they were discussing all options on how they could get herd numbers reduced. Per my buddy who has a ranch in 19, he said a lot of landowners are raising hell about the numbers. The issue is, a lot of these same landowners don't have much for elk during hunting season, but they're moving in on those places during the winter and causing problems. If the problem is as bad as they say, the easy way to find out if a general tag would work is do it for a year or two and then look at the data. If they go to 5000 tags this year, yer already a stones throw away from being a general season. By the way, my buddy noted above has been flying his plane a fair amount looking at elk said he's seen some huge bulls out on the flats between the mountains and Medicine Bow in the last month. Last year I flew with him several times and we saw some really nice bulls. As soon as waterfowl season is over, I'll be flying with him again...
 
Triple,
I agree with you. Another isssue is when the snow flies out there its really hard to get out there in your truck. Thats when the big bulls and such are out on the flats. Yeah that whole region that you guys fly has some good ones. Once I was lion hunting on the freeze outs (which you can't hunt anymore thanks to the wind mill company) and I found the biggest elk shed of my life. I tried to find the other but could not. I had a buddy look at it for me and if I had found the other side it would have scored 400!!! Pretty crazy. Man 5000 tags is alot. That would be a good idea to try it a year or two. But then again I still don't think people would kill the quota. Game and Fish needs to rack thier heads together and do something about the private property. I know not much can be done but some are HMA's and some offer a fee, and some don't allow hunting. I don't know I can't think of a solution that would help.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-28-11 AT 12:26PM (MST)[p]My info came from a WGFD commisioner and the regional director for area 7... While neither said it was happening for sure, it's definately on the table! 2010 had 4500 tags for the area....
 
K-Kooky
P-Pee
B-Brain
E-Even
N-Numb
N-Nuts
I-Idiot
0-Obnoxious
N-Neanderthal

Where do you get off calling someone any kind of tard? Is your education on par with Jethro Bodine? You can not spell, write or even come up with a coherent sentence.

Our only hope is that you not pass you genes to the next generation so we don't have to support another group FOOLS(your word) with IQ'S in the single digits.

Thanks form a Utard and Proud of it.
 
I drew it a few years back.
Saw bulls, but nothing over 300, but my kid killed a good 7x7 muley.
A lot of the press that 7 gets is because of the private ground big bulls, places like Wagonhound that are very high dollar.

A few years back two friends hauled llamas out there to unit 7 from here in Cali and killed two fairly decent bulls. (regardless of the ridiculing by the high & mighty locals)
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Not at all.
What it means is that a few years back there was a similar thread in the Wyoming forum asking about unit 7.
Someone was lamenting the traffic at the Harris Park trailhead and made it clear that he thought that a truck hauling llamas with California license plates was a freaking joke.
little did he know that those two guys are some of the most physical badass hunters I've ever known.
Period.
They often go into heavily hunted areas and pull out the best.
I just get so goddamn weary of that ignorant stereotyping.
 
elknr

I live in Utah county. Have group of 5 with max points we are putting in for an area we have a 33% chance of drawing under the special. The only down fall of our unit is limited archery. We looked at 7 and feel it is a great unit, but to many unknows. Anyway you are welcome to put in with us if you want to.
 
HunterHarry- Thank you for the clarification. Understandable.
Rocknroll- If you want help so that there are not so many unknowns let me know.
 
All these permits that you guys are talking about are cow only tags right? I haven't drawn this permit in 6 years... They need to allow an additional elk tag for this area is what they need to do... I put in for this tag because of the quality of elk in the area...
 
I do believe you can have a full price tag and a reduced price cow/calf permit. I thought you could have two reduced priced cow calf tags in the state but don't quote me.
 
There are a few places where you can have a cow/calf additional tag... Area 7 is not one of these areas though...
 
chadderbox---That is not accurate! There are many units that have cow/calf tags and unit 7 does have a type 6 cow/calf draw this year! Any tags left in the draws are sold on a first come first serve basis and you will probably be able to buy two of them in July when any that are left go on sale.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-11 AT 11:20AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-11 AT 11:18?AM (MST)

LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-11 AT 11:17?AM (MST)

You can only have a total of TWO elk permits in the state of Wyoming...one of which MUST be a type 6 additional elk tag.

The ONLY way you can have 2 type-6 tags is to either buy 2 leftovers or get one through the draw and buy another as a leftover. But, you can only have a total of 2 elk tags.

No, its not a change, it was the same way last year.

As to 7...the hunting has been on the decline in that area for at least 10 years quality wise. Check the 27th B&C awards book and see how many bulls you find from unit 7. Then check the 22nd and 23rd editions...

I hear BS stories all the time about all the 370+ bulls coming from unit 7...yet I never see any at local taxidermy shops, so apparently people arent entering them (yeah, right), or there arent many coming from there anymore.

If you want to shoot a 6-point its a decent unit...looking for bulls over 330...not a spot I'd waste time on anymore. Ten years ago...different story.
 
Well I see 350 and better bulls come out of there!!! Lots of mass is what I like about that area...
 
Yeah, its always a "a guy I know" or my brothers ex father-laws, buddy that got one....

I hear those stories too.
 
i hunted the area last year. Saw maybe two bulls over 320. Lots of smaller 6 points. Saw lots of elk just not any of those big boys you always hear about.
 
Hey BuzzH next time you are in Laramie stop in at Bullseye Archery and you will see the elk that you are critisizing about. Owners son did shoot a 375 bull which is in the shop. Did he enter it? Not sure but does it really matter if its entered? So I encourage you to go look, you will see.
 
BuzzH is correct in that you are limited to a max of two elk licenses in a calendar year in Wyoming. They can be two cow/calf licenses or one either sex license along with one type 6 cow/calf license. That is covered in page nine (9) of the Wyoming 2011 Application Booklet and like he stated, it was the same way last year. Here is that section:

Applicants may apply for and receive only one (1) Reduced Price
Cow/Calf license through the initial drawing period. After the initial draw
is completed, any person may receive up to two (2) Reduced Price Cow/
Calf licenses. However, no person shall receive more than a total of two (2)
Elk licenses under any type, in any one calendar year.
 
I knew you could have an additional cow/calf tag. I didn't realize area 7 had a type 6 tag... I shot an additional cow above Lander for 2 years now... Once I figure how to post pics I will so you some Laramie Peak elk shot in the last 2 years... We process game in Douglas so it's not hear say!!! I'm not saying it wasn't better 10 years ago, but the quality is still there, if you know where to go!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-11 AT 01:21PM (MST)[p]Hey TreeEm,

You mean this bull:

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Yeah, I saw that one too...only the "claim" is a "score" of 378.

The owner of the archery shop is a notorious for his magic tape and reputation for long-taping everything he and his family kill.

Nice bull, but not even close to 378...thats a joke.

You want to tell me how in the good hell that bulls gets to 378?
 
Yup. Why the heck are you so angry or defensive? I guessed him at 375 and I was told I was right. I have not known the owner to stretch the truth but it sounds like you guys have beef with each other. Well I guess you should go down to the shop and measure all them bulls out. I think michaels bull is the smallest in the shop. If I am misreading you than I apologize but it seems your a little on the edge.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-11 AT 02:40PM (MST)[p]That bull isnt close to 378...just a fact.

You look at the bull and find it hard to believe that MB and CB dont stretch the truth?

Laffin'...

Never could figure out myself why guys flat out lie about the score of an animal...yet it happens all the time.

This is a classic example of all the "370" bulls that come from the peak...and also how people dont have a clue just what a 370 bull looks like when they can view it for hours...let alone in the field.
 
We will agree to disagree. I don't disagree that he is not 378 but I don't realy agree that he is 378 so I guess I am stuck on the fence with this one. No I get ya about the fact understandable. Do you have any pics of bulls from the peak that go in the 370's? Just a question not trying to be a smart ass.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-11 AT 02:58PM (MST)[p]I got a picture of this bull, public land archery Wyoming:

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For the record, I had my bull laying on the floor next to the "378" bull in the archery shop a few days after both bulls were killed.

If the 378 bull was fairly scored, then what do you suppose this bull scores?

I had it officially scored and is entered in P&Y.

Just for conversation: 56 4/8 main beams, over 20 on the long fifth...7 of 8 mass measurements over 7 inches.
 
At sportsmans warehouse in Casper, above the gun counter is a bull that scores over 400"... Guess where it came from? When I get to the house I will post some pictures of others... It is still a quality area regardless! Is everybody gonna run up there and shoot a 350" bull, no... The point is there is still quality up there and I see it every year... Trust me I know what a big bull looks like...
 
Hey, whatever blows your hair back.

Enjoy those unit 7 tags chasing all those 400 bulls around with nearly 3,000 of your closest friends.

I'd not trade a general tag for a unit 7 tag.
 
It is what it is. I apologize to the guy that got this thread started. I did not mean to be a part of getting it off topic.
 
>Hey, whatever blows your hair back.
>
>
>Enjoy those unit 7 tags chasing
>all those 400 bulls around
>with nearly 3,000 of your
>closest friends.
>
>I'd not trade a general tag
>for a unit 7 tag.
>


Make it 1750 of my closet friends in a fairly large area!!! I'm not chasing cows!!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-11 AT 05:27PM (MST)[p]Yeah, that may be...but it doesnt keep the cow hunters from pushing elk onto private or crowding the limited public land.

Go for the gold, and good luck in your quest for the 400 inch peak bull.

I know a guy with a magic tape that will assist with the scoring....
 
Wow, why so bitter!!! The big bulls are there!!! That's my point!!! There are lots of hunters in general areas too... You can keep your magic tape...
 
LOL!! oh man buzz you are funny. Magic tape. Hey guys like I said it is what it is.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-11 AT 10:03PM (MST)[p]Gee chadderbox,

I dont know, around 5,000 total elk tags in one hunting unit, turn most all of the cow hunters loose the same time as the bull hunters...all with limited public access/land...and call that a quality hunt?

Like I said, whatever makes you happy.

People have been hunting on memories in that unit for at least the last 7-8 years.

Its a great unit for an average six point if you dont mind company...and cows are a snap in Dec. and Jan.

Oh, and you'll have to go to Bullseye archery in Laramie to get the magic tape...it isnt mine.
 
Based on the most recent hunting statistics, area 7 is the most hunted elk area outside of the general areas around Yellowstone... just FYI

I had a tag for Area 7 from 2000 to 2008... Killed some great bulls... And the last 2 years I've taken other hunters up... Based on first hand experience, on public land, since 2005 public land pressure has at least doubled... So, while there may be some great bulls still in area 7, you'd better be hunting private land or get very lucky...
 

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