The Wasatch

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-02-11 AT 00:20AM (MST)[p]I just thought I would throw out a little assessment on this unit now that the draws are going on. This may sway a few fence riders. I know there are a lot of good units out there for an elk hunter to chase those big ol stinky buggers around on but as far as I'm concerned The Wasatch is one of the best overall hunting units in the state. That being said, here is one hunters assessment.

The nice thing about The Wasatch is that the unit is so big. This can work to your advantage because it generally spreads the pressure out. Also, due to its size, it has come of the most varied terrain there is. Whether you prefer hunting dark timber, aspen groves, thick cedars, or my personal favorite, oak brush (NOT!), this unit has it all. The down side to being so big is this; I think hunters have a tendency to spread themselves too thin. Instead of finding bulls and then hunting them in a specific area, they try and hunt the entire unit in one hunt to see "what's out there". IMPOSSIBLE. If you can scout, spend your time seeing the unit. Don't waste your hunting time. You should already have plans A, B, and C before opening day. There is litterally elk in every area on this unit. If you are not seeing elk, hop over the next ridge. Also, big bulls can be found anywhere on the unit. While it is true that the "HUGE" bulls have been reduced in numbers, there are still some of those big old bulls wandering around on the unit. There have been several 320" 7 and 8 year old bulls shot on this unit in the past couple of years so on the Wasatch, age class doesn't really matter when it comes to the size of the rack.

This unit is one of the more accessible units in the state. There are literally roads everywhere. Getting away from these is essential if you want to see a lot of elk. However, there are few places on this unit where there is not a road within a couple of miles in any direction. That being said, don't overlook some of those unlikely places that are close to the road. We have killed several bulls off of wallows near roads. One bull scored 353 and he was shot off a wallow not 150 yards from a main road. There are quite a few of these little pearls on the unit. It's no secret that the Waters (1st through 5th) get hunted pretty heavy. That's because there is a road that goes across the bottom and the top of these draws. There is a big bull taken out of this area every year. American Fork canyon used to get overlooked a lot because of all the private you have to drive through to get to areas. But there is always a good bull that comes out of there every year. On the Northeast part, Current Creek and the surrounging areas have a good elk population and every time I have been over there I have always seen good bull numbers. I have never seen a huge one over there myself but I have heard rumors in previous years of some big bulls. On the Southeast end there is the White River area. This has generally been a more hiker friendly area. Not quite as steep as other areas but it can get nasty in places. Always great numbers of elk around here. If you take a ride down Reservation Ridge and look North you can glass a lot of that country. Everything South is a CWMU but those bulls cross back and forth all year long. The Southwest area is a little more steep but still holds plenty of elk. Great places to get high and glass a lot of country. Diamond Fork canyon is a great place to start but has a lot more private ground than other places. I have traditionally avoided this area. Not because of the elk hunting but just because of the private property and there area so many other areas to hunt.

This unit is for the guy that sets his goal at a reasonable 350" bull but if a 320" bull steps out he won't hesitate to let an arrow fly or trip the trigger. This is a unit that you will see a lot of elk on. It is also a unit that you will see plenty of people on. Whether these people are hunting or just enjoying a weekend out, The Wasatch unit has some great camping that is within an hour from Salt Lake and borders Utah County.

Here are the hunter numbers for 2010:

Archery - 152 permits with a 34.8% success rate
Rifle - 248 permits with a 80.4% success rate
Muzzy - 100 permits with a 56.3% success rate
Premium - 17 permits with a 94.1% success rate

Regardless of the weapon you choose, it's a great hunt and with the right attitude may be one of the best hunts you will ever experience. Also, don't forget, after you get done with a great day of hunting, you can head on up Diamond Fork to the hot springs and enjoy a warm soak with all of your homosexual and lesbian tree hugger friends that seem to find comfort in being nude right in the middle of hunting season.


It's always an adventure!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-02-11 AT 02:37AM (MST)[p]Not gonna argue with what you said AWLB!

But 500 BIG BULL Tags on that Unit?

Ya it's Big!

Ya it produces BIG BULLS!

But 500 Big Bull Tags?

Wished I knew the Unit like You know it AWLB!

If I did I'd Bail Out & start screaming Opportunity immediately!:D

EDIT:Don't forget about the bunch in the LEZBARU,just might meet them on the Wasatch,they like Trail Cams!}>}>}>
Can't wait till somebody takes good care of them!

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Great write-up Jim.

I have enjoyed my few times down on the Wasatch and you certainly have a great knowledge of the Wasatch.

Robb

PS.

B-bob....your about 50 tags short on your 500 tags (check expo tags and con. org tags)
 
PleaseDear!

Ya,I know!

I was being reasonable!:D

You don't want me to start twistin Panties do ya?:D

God is Great!
Life is Good!
And People are Crazy!
I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
And a good BBQ!
I am Medicine And I am Poison!
What Voltage of Cordless Sawzall are you running & what's your quickest Drive-By at hackin the Horns off of RoadKills?

This Favorite Shhit is getting old already!
 
You are killing me JIM!!!!

Quality sucks on the unit and the elk numbers are way down.








2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
 
550 tags is like nothing on a unit that has 6500 elk. The average age class for 2009 was still 6.74 with 301 bulls harvested.

Now get 250 of those tags out of the rut and we could give 1000 permits each year with the same quality on the mountain.

If they'd put 500 archery tags, 50 late Sept. rifle tags, 250 late Oct. Rifle tags and 250 Nov. muzzleloader tags we'd still have the same quality on the mountain. The value of the rut rifle tags would go through the roof and twice as many people would get to use the resourse. The division would collect twice the tag fees and everyone would win :)

Cheers,
Pete
 
Come on c3, no common sense allowed in the management of elk in Utah...
Mntman

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>The Wasatch is one of the best overall hunting units in the state.

+100 For those that know the unit my personal opinion is that it is THE BEST UNIT CURRENTLY in the state of UT. In terms of opportunity to harvest a 380+ bull......again that only applies to those that know the unit well......going in blind on the wasatch is one of the hardest things you can do......

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+1
The Wasatch unit is the best in the state for the post hunt, after party soak in a nice blazing hot, 109 degree hot spring that is often times surrounded with beer cans, urine, vomit, and if you are lucky, you might discover a land mine on your way in or out. Now I didn't mention toilet paper because I have never seen any there. I wonder how they . . . . nevermind.

Love the Wasatch though. Great unit, tons of elk, tons of people too, but quality is there.


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LAST EDITED ON Feb-02-11 AT 11:33AM (MST)[p]Jim, thanks for making it harder for me to draw this tag this year. If you were not such a good guy i would say your full of crap and talk crap about this unit and you but seeing you are a good guy i wont. I look forward to seeing you at the expo.
 
Damn AWLB if i had known about the naked lesbians i would have been putting in for the Wa"SNATCH" instead of the san juan. The good info always comes out to late.
 
wa"Snatch"....That's awesome.

Good write up Jim. Although you just single handedly ruined a number of guys draw odds that had just about enough points to draw.
 
c3,
Just curious, what do you predict harvest numbers or percentages might be with your proposed tag allocation?
I know some say that archers have very low percentage of harvest, but numbers I have seen published in the past have archery success at anywhere from 10% to 60+% on Utah LE Elk archery hunts. Of course any weapon hunt success rates should decline with later hunt dates.
Thanks
 
With the high pressure hunts I'd expect to see similar numbers to Arizona at about 35% success across the board. This would give a total harvest of roughly 400 bulls on 1050 permits on a unit like the Wasatch.

With increased pressure the age class of harvest would go down significantly as well, especially on the archery and late hunts. This would allow for fewer cow permits and a larger bull harvest to keep herd size in check. At the same time allowing more of the quality sized bulls to make it through each year.

Cheers,
Pete
 
LOL. Sorry guys. I'm flattered that you think my oppinion will pull people into this unit. I highly doubt it. This was mainly for the NR guys that keep PMing me. It's easier to do it this way instead of writing 30 different pm's.

WW - I didn't give them any GPS coordinates to your honey hole. Oh wait, I did tell them about the hot springs. Sorry man!:D

One thing I didn't mention. I have only seen a couple of 350+ bulls on the winter range this year. Even with all of the elk in Heber Valley, I have been told that there are few if any shooter bulls. The last big bull I saw was way high and belly deep in snow.


It's always an adventure!!!
 
I would love to put in for the wasatch if I could talk you into postponing your retirement for another year. I have put a ton of time in on the wasatch but am still on the fence between wasatch and Book cliffs.
Berry blaster how much do you charge? Maybe you could convince me to change my mind.


I'll tell you who it was . . . it was that D@MN Sasquatch!
 
Great post WHOLELOT. Sportsmen helping sportsmen are the best men, IMO.

Like BeBop driving through a blizzard to find an elk for a young lady this fall. And Bull helping Stinky on the dutton last year. Gator offering his pheasant hunts indiscriminately. Others that don't come to mind right this moment.

There's a bunch of folks on this site that walk the walk, rough or smooth, your the best.

WHOLELOT, I'll see you at Noon on Saturday. What would you like for lunch? I'll bring a picnic cause Stinky's broke and we'll just chow down right there on your tripods. Those steaks will have to wait until Qtip's check book is fat again.

DC
 
Wholelot's just killing the fun......i've seen some very very very nice bulls on the winter range this year. I think the count as of now is 10 bull's over 350 and one thats way way way way over 350 ;-)......Jim you must be loosing your eye sight in your retirement and old age ;-) Must need to come up for breakfast that fixes everything........
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Thanks AWLB. It was shocked to see the muzzy tag success rate was only 50%. I may be wrong, but that seems a little low for a late rut hunt in Utah...
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-03-11 AT 01:10PM (MST)[p] Jimmy I had a change of heart about this year once I
realized that my Son's basketball committments had taken a bigger chunk of what vacation time I have for the year.

I think I'm going to apply for the rifle tag and if I draw it shouldn't take more than an hour to have a 400 incher hit the dirt right???

Pipe down about the "hot spring wallow" I've seen several "trophy feline's" in that vicinity and planned on hiking a treestand in to there as soon as the snow cleared a bit.








2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
 
500 plus tags. WOW!!! Throw in another 100 or so cwmu tags and WOW WOW.

It's a testament as to how much of an elk factory the Wasatch really is.

The wasatch is always bound to put out a few great bulls, especially when you have that many guys out looking.

As much as I'd love to have a tag in my back yard, because I know there's a handful of big bulls, I'd rather take my chances on a southern unit where the genetics are twice if not three times as good. Most 6 year old southern bulls will have 30-50" above an 8 year old wasatch bull. You get those southern bulls up to 8 and the record books "were" being rewritten every year.

I saw two damn nice bulls on the wasatch this fall. One of which could be a legit 380, the other 360ish. Big bulls in anyones book. But I haven't seen a good bull yet on the winter range, but I know there's a few there. I'm just amazed by the numbers of raghorns-320 bulls. If a few of these bulls can grow up and get old enough to express their genetic potential we'll have a few good bulls running around but we're still compeating southern genetics and they got the wasatch beat.
 

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