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HuntNevada
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This is my buddies 2006 Nevada Muzzleloader Muley, it is a 24" 5x4 taken at an incredible distance of 333 yards. This buck will net in the mid 150's. ENJOY!!! GOOD JOB STEPH.
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NMHUNTNUTT1
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Thats a great looking buck ! Sure love to find one like that in a couple weeks.
333 yards , pheeeww, thats freakin way out there! I know with the inlines and loads of today its possible, but thats some serious bullet drop even with 150 grain powder load and aiming with a 2 foot hold over.I'll stick to inside of 150 if at all possible , but I also know a couple guys who have taken antelope and deer beyond 200 yards.
Nice buck , thanks for sharing ...
333 yards , pheeeww, thats freakin way out there! I know with the inlines and loads of today its possible, but thats some serious bullet drop even with 150 grain powder load and aiming with a 2 foot hold over.I'll stick to inside of 150 if at all possible , but I also know a couple guys who have taken antelope and deer beyond 200 yards.
Nice buck , thanks for sharing ...
That's a great looking buck congrats to your friend. I am also interested in the set up he's using to knock down a buck at 333 yards? Did he drop it with one shot, and if so how far did it run off? I have to say thats some amazing shooting, I had hard time hitting one at 150 yards. Does he give lessons? I also think that cape will make a fine mount. Great job guy's
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HuntNevada
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He didn't drop it in one shot he had to put one more in him but still he hit the first shot right behind the shoulder. I personally wasn't there but they tell me that they were shooting down hill and a pretty good angle....i am not sure of his setup but i know that we practice out to about 400 just for situations like that.
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NMHUNTNUTT1
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I was curious about this shot so I looked at ballistics and just tried to find how this is possible. I have to say I can't find any info to help know better what bullet performance would be like at that distance. All I can say is I'd rather be lucky than good any day of the week, here in NM there is a spanish slang word for stuff like that , its called Sapo(plain a$$ lucky)....
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HuntNevada
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Well you know the sun shines on every dogs ass ever once in a while. But it was a great shot took alot of composier to hold steady at that range andthe bullet had some punch to it with so much kinectic energy.
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Pure luck, Nothing more.
Nice deer though.
Nice deer though.
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Hello fellow hunters! I just want to say congrats to my buddy steph for harvesting this very repectable mule deer in the back country of nevada. I was glad i was there to experience it and it was the best hunt i have ever been on. But there are a few people out there that think it was just luck. I was there. I am the other guy in the picture, i was there when we spotted him, stalked him, and took him down. For all you guys that think its luck, thats fine, your entitled to your own opinion, but knowing steph and hunting with him for over 10 years now I know it was nothing more than pure skill that made that shot. We practiced for a week straight shooting anywhere from 50 yards to 350 yards and steph was constantly hitting a pie plate sized target every day we shot, with consistent groups, so I knew when the time came, I knew he could make the shot, no questions asked. He hit that deer three times in a row from over 300 yards every time. 308 the first, 319 the secong and finished him with the third at 333 yards. Every shot was ethical and every shot was a good shot. So all you guys that think its still luck, like I said, thats fine, but me and steph invite you to come shoot with us and we'll consistlently show you its not just luck! Thanks for all the comments and Happpy Hunting!
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Very tough shot, especially with OPEN sights. I bet the deer was almost totally covered by the front site.
He hit that deer three times in a row from over 300 yards every time. 308 the first, 319 the secong and finished him with the third at 333 yards. Every shot was ethical and every shot was a good shot.
At 300 plus yards there was probably not enough energy left on those bullets to make them expand properly. These guns are not made for that kind of long range shooting.
At 300 plus yards there was probably not enough energy left on those bullets to make them expand properly. These guns are not made for that kind of long range shooting.
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timberline_archer02
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Hello again fellow hunters. Yeah he did hit that deer at over 300 yards 3 times in a row. The range finder dont lie and neither to I or any of my huntin buddies for that matter. At 300 yards every shot was a through and through so who cares if they "expanded properly"! When we caped boned out the buck we didnt recover one slug so I guess they did "PROPERLY" do their job or the deer wouldnt have been on my pack just an hour later now would he? So apparently the bullets did do their job cuz the buck is now in my buddy's freezer and the horns at the shop! As for the guns not being made to shoot that kind of long range shot, if you practice the shot like my buddy and I did then you should have no problems shooting those shots, like he demonstrated that day. So apparently the bullets do have enough energy, or atleast enough to bring down that deer at 300+ yards! Thanks! Happy Hunting!
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NMHUNTNUTT1
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I can only speak for myself, but yes I feel that this shot was more of luck, but again if you read my post I said I'd rather be lucky than good.
Now with that said, I too feel that even todays modern muzzleloaders are not designed for such long range shots beyond 300 yards, otherwise the companies would claim it in efforts to try to up thier sales.
Now you seem rather upset about some responded posts, but now I'm calling you for some explanation. All three shots were over 300 yards, first one at 308 and so on and all shots were effectively placed. Your range finder confirmed this , but what blows me away is you got a reading , he took the first shot which was an effective one, he reloads as you get the second reading, he shoots with the same effective result, than the buck moves once again , you read range and again he places the shot effectively in the kill zone. Ok, its possible , but my experiance in muzzleloading is this, after every shot the gun gets harder to load more so after 2 back to back shots. Now this buck must not really have been moving after being hit effectively from the first shot because not too much ground was covered which is very possible.Again I ask as I am serious about wanting to know , but what is this set up ? Scoped inine shooting what charge and bullet? You posted this thread were there are some very experianced muzzleload hunters who take great pride in thier abillities with smoke poles and you write about shots and distances that are un heard of, so don't get upset or excited when asked about it. All hunting that ends in successfully tagging an animal has some luck involved I don't care who you are , thats why I said I'd rather be lucky than good....Step out of the box your writing from, read the posts and then you'll see why the questions come about, its not out of disrespect I'm sure you'll see.
Now with that said, I too feel that even todays modern muzzleloaders are not designed for such long range shots beyond 300 yards, otherwise the companies would claim it in efforts to try to up thier sales.
Now you seem rather upset about some responded posts, but now I'm calling you for some explanation. All three shots were over 300 yards, first one at 308 and so on and all shots were effectively placed. Your range finder confirmed this , but what blows me away is you got a reading , he took the first shot which was an effective one, he reloads as you get the second reading, he shoots with the same effective result, than the buck moves once again , you read range and again he places the shot effectively in the kill zone. Ok, its possible , but my experiance in muzzleloading is this, after every shot the gun gets harder to load more so after 2 back to back shots. Now this buck must not really have been moving after being hit effectively from the first shot because not too much ground was covered which is very possible.Again I ask as I am serious about wanting to know , but what is this set up ? Scoped inine shooting what charge and bullet? You posted this thread were there are some very experianced muzzleload hunters who take great pride in thier abillities with smoke poles and you write about shots and distances that are un heard of, so don't get upset or excited when asked about it. All hunting that ends in successfully tagging an animal has some luck involved I don't care who you are , thats why I said I'd rather be lucky than good....Step out of the box your writing from, read the posts and then you'll see why the questions come about, its not out of disrespect I'm sure you'll see.
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Nice buck and great shooting. Last week I killed a nice 5X5 bull with my front loader at 200 ranged yards. I am shooting a 45 cal with a 40 bullet and a sabot. one shot kill. I have shot 15 elk in my life with every cal from a 243 to a 300 ultra mag and I beleive this bull died as quick as any one I have ever killed. Keep up the great shooting.
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timberline_archer02
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Hello Again Fellow Hunters! I want to apologize for gettin a little upset with some of the comments posted. All the years that me and my buddy steph have hunted together we havent had any luck. In fact if we didnt have bad luck we wouldnt have any luck at all! We have gotten so close a billion times to killin some book bucks but things just havent worked out. That doe you didnt see, or the wind switching or the buck not being where you thought, we have all been there. Thats why I take such offense to people saying that all that deer was, was luck. I 100% agree that alot of hunting is luck. But the shot he made was not luck, that was him practicing it over and over again. LIke i said, huting is luck, right place right time. As for the gun he used, he killed the deer with a Traditions inline muzzle loader, i dont know what model, the powder was Triple 7 (haha there goes the luck theory), he was shooting 150 grains (3 Pellets) and powerbelt 225 grain slugs. No scope was used because of coarse Nevada is a "no scoped muzzleloader" state. The range finder was a Leica. So thats his set up haha go nuts with it! Thanks Again for all the comments!
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Warren
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The setup should have the ballistics near to a .45/70. If he hit three shots like that, he is not lucky. He is very good. I would venture to say that is the best muzzleloader shooter I've ever heard of. Great job and nice buck.
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thebuckstopshere
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Nice shooting! Practice makes perfect for sure.
Hey, regardless, its dang good to see some younguns hittin the hills rather than up to no good. Keep huntin, stay smart, and just don't forget the lessens you guys have learned - practice and hard work pays off. Good luck.
Hey, regardless, its dang good to see some younguns hittin the hills rather than up to no good. Keep huntin, stay smart, and just don't forget the lessens you guys have learned - practice and hard work pays off. Good luck.
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Somebody out there smarter than me how much hold over would be required on a shot at that distance. I shoot 150 grains of triple 7 and I drop 20 inches at 200 yards I've never even attempted at 300. That's with a 240 sabot out of a Knight. I don't have the vision to shoot 300 with open sights old eyes I guess.
333yards with a muzz is a long shot but it is not out of the range of the gun. That is a very long ways for open sights but it still can be done. I shot my traditional gun with only 110 grains of powder last year and was able to shoot 300 yards and hit a pie plate 4 ou of 5 times. I took a good bull last year with my traditional gun at 255 yards with no scope and no sabots and a 385 grain bullet. My dad has taken 3 elk at over 300 yards with his inline shooting 150 of 777 loose. He puts massive hours into shooting that gun to be able to do it plus he has a scope on it with the TDS system. It is fine if people think that a muzz is only good for 100 to 150 yards but that does not mean it can not shoot much farther than that with some practice.I have seen the proof.
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-06 AT 11:30AM (MST)[p]>Somebody out there smarter than me
>how much hold over would
>be required on a shot
>at that distance. I
>shoot 150 grains of triple
>7 and I drop 20
>inches at 200 yards I've
>never even attempted at 300.
>That's with a 240 sabot
>out of a Knight. I
>don't have the vision to
>shoot 300 with open sights
>old eyes I guess.
240grn XTP with muzzle velocity of 1850fps zerod at 150 yards will be -42" at 300 yards and -62" at 325!!!
That is NOT a misprint! There is 20" difference in drop between 300 and 325 yards. I'm calling total BS on the yardage and we havent even begun to address the fact they shot 3 times in a row and the affect the fouling would have on accuracy at that range.
The only thing the picture was missing is a "friend" in the background taking ahit off his bong.
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>how much hold over would
>be required on a shot
>at that distance. I
>shoot 150 grains of triple
>7 and I drop 20
>inches at 200 yards I've
>never even attempted at 300.
>That's with a 240 sabot
>out of a Knight. I
>don't have the vision to
>shoot 300 with open sights
>old eyes I guess.
240grn XTP with muzzle velocity of 1850fps zerod at 150 yards will be -42" at 300 yards and -62" at 325!!!
That is NOT a misprint! There is 20" difference in drop between 300 and 325 yards. I'm calling total BS on the yardage and we havent even begun to address the fact they shot 3 times in a row and the affect the fouling would have on accuracy at that range.
The only thing the picture was missing is a "friend" in the background taking ahit off his bong.
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WHO CARES!!!
Good job on the buck. Glad you got him. Thanks for sharing the photo's. Wouldn't blame you if it were the last we get to see from you.
'It's all about the gut pile'
Good job on the buck. Glad you got him. Thanks for sharing the photo's. Wouldn't blame you if it were the last we get to see from you.
'It's all about the gut pile'
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NMHUNTNUTT1
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Sneakattack, I do understand your point to an extent. Someone earlier pointed out that it was great seeing young men out hittin the hills and I too agree with that. But the shot was written about and as I said , the distance and such was just very hard to believe.Yes I know anything is possible , and I hear more and more of shots beyond 200 yards with muzzleloaders. I also asked how and for set up info as this was just plain hard to believe. 300 yard shots with open sights is extremely difficult let alone with a front stuffer, but again its possible I'm sure.
My point is this , yes that is a beautiful buck and yes its great to see young people out in the hills carrying on a great tradition. But let the truth be told, don't pound your chest as no one here cares for such mannerism.DallanC put ballistic facts on here just to prove the truth was not being told. Stories such as this is how bad feelings towards members happens , then posts become more of an arguement.Let me just say this , you go load up a muzzleloader and fire off shots at 300 yards with open sights at your target(pie plate size) and see if you can hit hit it , let alone see it in your sights. Then ask yourself if this shot can realisticly be done in 3 back to back shots....HHMMMM
My point is this , yes that is a beautiful buck and yes its great to see young people out in the hills carrying on a great tradition. But let the truth be told, don't pound your chest as no one here cares for such mannerism.DallanC put ballistic facts on here just to prove the truth was not being told. Stories such as this is how bad feelings towards members happens , then posts become more of an arguement.Let me just say this , you go load up a muzzleloader and fire off shots at 300 yards with open sights at your target(pie plate size) and see if you can hit hit it , let alone see it in your sights. Then ask yourself if this shot can realisticly be done in 3 back to back shots....HHMMMM
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Seriously, lets beat that horse. The kid shot a buck, told how he did it, and shared the photo's. That's all I need to know.
If you want to educate someone on balistics, fine. If you want to prove the fact that an unrealistic shot can and will wound game, fine. If you want to make a young hunter feel like a piece of trash for being talking up the experience, I call BS on you! Enough already! If you see fit to share advice with the younger generation, or any generation, do it in a manner that is conducive to learning...not harping and preaching. Let it go.
Once again to the lucky, skilled hunter, thanks you for sharing your trophy.
'It's all about the gut pile'
If you want to educate someone on balistics, fine. If you want to prove the fact that an unrealistic shot can and will wound game, fine. If you want to make a young hunter feel like a piece of trash for being talking up the experience, I call BS on you! Enough already! If you see fit to share advice with the younger generation, or any generation, do it in a manner that is conducive to learning...not harping and preaching. Let it go.
Once again to the lucky, skilled hunter, thanks you for sharing your trophy.
'It's all about the gut pile'
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Nuff said, the kid shot a great buck and did share , it beats him out there raising helll in the community.
I was not trying to make anyone feel like a piece of trash , thats the last thing I wanted to do, theres also learning and maturing in telling the truth and if you read my posts , non of them were aggressive , just puzzled.Its ok if you call bs on me, I don't know you or you me , its too bad you can not see that MY posts were not attacking the young man, I have nothing to gain from being a jerk on this board nor do I care too , most of the time I won't engage in arguemental threads , just pass them by , maybe I should have on this one as well , especially when its with dishonest words....No hard feelings , wishing you the best and hope to chat with you in a better fashion on another topic another time...NMHUNTNUTT
I was not trying to make anyone feel like a piece of trash , thats the last thing I wanted to do, theres also learning and maturing in telling the truth and if you read my posts , non of them were aggressive , just puzzled.Its ok if you call bs on me, I don't know you or you me , its too bad you can not see that MY posts were not attacking the young man, I have nothing to gain from being a jerk on this board nor do I care too , most of the time I won't engage in arguemental threads , just pass them by , maybe I should have on this one as well , especially when its with dishonest words....No hard feelings , wishing you the best and hope to chat with you in a better fashion on another topic another time...NMHUNTNUTT
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HuntNevada
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GUYS GUYS!!!! COME ON I HAVE SEEN WHERE THE DEER WAS AND I HAVE ACTUALLY HIT IT WITH MY OWN RANGEFINDER AND THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE IT CAME OUT TO THE SAME NUMBERS. DID YOU GUYS READ THAT THESE GUYS WERE ABOVE THE DEER 300 YARDS AT PROBABLY A 35 DEGREES ANGLE SO IF YOU GUYS DON'T BELIEVE THE YARDAGES THEN JUST OVERLOOK THEM. THIS IS A GREAT DEER AND ALL I WAS DOING WAS PASSING ON INFORMATION ON THIS GREAT BUCK. NO NEED TO BASH HIM FOR TELLING YOU THE TRUTH AND YOU CALLING BS... SOME OF YOU NEED TO OVER LOOK THE SPECIFICS AND JUST REPLY ON THE DEER, AND GET BACK TO WHAT WE ALL KNOW BEST AND THAT IS TROPHY CLASS MULE DEER AND NOT HOW OR WHAT THEY WERE SHOT WITH. THANKS AND GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE ON THERE HUNT
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EdleBrock
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I don't doubt you guys took the deer, but you need to realize that the 35 degree down angle changes everything.
The horizontal distance would not be 300, but around 245. If your buddy held for 300 and hit the deer then something's not right.
The horizontal distance would not be 300, but around 245. If your buddy held for 300 and hit the deer then something's not right.
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HuntNevada
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DID I SAY HE AIMED FOR 300....NO, WHAT I SAID WAS THAT THE DEER WAS 330 YARDS DOWN THE HILL AT A 35 DEGREE ANGLE...SO IT WOULD HAVE PERFECTLY LOGICAL THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE TO HOLD VERY HIGH OVER THE DEER..IF ANY BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST LIKE A 240-250 YARD SHOT.
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Good shootin, good buck, good eatin.
When my brother and I were younger, we did a lot of shooting like you're talking. My brother shot a twenty nine inch 4x5 at 167 yards with a TC Renegade 54 cal side hammer muzzleloader with open sights. We didn't have any rangefinder then and I went back and ranged it years later.
I used to shoot handguns a lot as well. Several thousand rounds a year. I was able to hit a twenty four inch manhole cover set up for rifle hunters at a local range at three hundred yards. Once you got set up you could lob them in pretty consistently even with the course open sights.
More recently I shot a friend's MIA with open sights and we had a eighteen inch tall egg shaped rock that we ranged at 440 yards out. It was relatively easy to hit the rock with open sights and the puff of dust coming off in pretty much the same spot.
Today I still use my old side hammer muzzleloader and keep my shots to 125 yards. Trying to get closer. Being a bow hunter as well the stalking closer is a must and gets constantly practiced. Its a tough challenge but a lot of fun. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you shouldn't shoot long range. If you practice and put in the time, like you related. I have gone through a lot of trying different things, shooting farther, getting equipment that can go further, hit harder etc. Trying to get closer is just another version of exploring methods and skills.
Keep pursuing those bucks in different ways, shapes and forms. Good luck on all your future hunts.
ShadowHunter
When my brother and I were younger, we did a lot of shooting like you're talking. My brother shot a twenty nine inch 4x5 at 167 yards with a TC Renegade 54 cal side hammer muzzleloader with open sights. We didn't have any rangefinder then and I went back and ranged it years later.
I used to shoot handguns a lot as well. Several thousand rounds a year. I was able to hit a twenty four inch manhole cover set up for rifle hunters at a local range at three hundred yards. Once you got set up you could lob them in pretty consistently even with the course open sights.
More recently I shot a friend's MIA with open sights and we had a eighteen inch tall egg shaped rock that we ranged at 440 yards out. It was relatively easy to hit the rock with open sights and the puff of dust coming off in pretty much the same spot.
Today I still use my old side hammer muzzleloader and keep my shots to 125 yards. Trying to get closer. Being a bow hunter as well the stalking closer is a must and gets constantly practiced. Its a tough challenge but a lot of fun. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you shouldn't shoot long range. If you practice and put in the time, like you related. I have gone through a lot of trying different things, shooting farther, getting equipment that can go further, hit harder etc. Trying to get closer is just another version of exploring methods and skills.
Keep pursuing those bucks in different ways, shapes and forms. Good luck on all your future hunts.
ShadowHunter
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littlecaseof200itus
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Guys,
Hell of a buck and hell of shot, Congratulations and good luck on any upcoming hunts!
Hell of a buck and hell of shot, Congratulations and good luck on any upcoming hunts!
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timberline_archer02
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Hello again everyone! Look the fact of the matter is, is that the deer is dcad, it was shot on public lands in the back country of nevada, with an open site muzzleloader at a distance of over 300 yards, end of story. All you guys callin BS go ahead, I could care less, I was there I know what happened. All you guys callin BS all the time is in fact well, BS! I really appreciate SNEAKATTACK givin credit where credit is due! Thanks alot man, I hope we can meet up some time in the near future and maybe go huntin! As for all the other people baggin on me and my friend thats fine, but what are you gonna say next? That the deer is fake and that he isn't really dead! HAHAHA! Go ahead, call BS on the deer to! You might as well, you've done it on everyting else! I bet where we killed that deer most of you guys would hurt your neck lookin up there, and probably from the truck! All I'm gettin at is why can't anyone be happy for anyone on this site!? I think its rediculous! I'm not sayin everyone on this site is bad, I'm just sayin i bet 75% of the comments on his page are negative! Thats fine and dandy, your entitled to your own opinion, but none of you guys even know us or what we are capable of! So until you do, take a lesson from the possitive posts on this page and give credit where its due! Thanks and Happy Hunting!
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