wyoming freak 433 NON TYPICAL DOUBLE DROPE TINE

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my bull after a22 mile ride back to civilization,we almost had to split the rack to get him through the trees.knowing we wouldent be able to officially score him i said hell no and we took a couple mile detour hope these pics make everybody feel more at ease.
 
505 was that the yardage you shot that bull at? Never the less that is one sweet bull congrats!!!
 
What a stud bull man. Don't worry about the guys on here giving you a hard time. I am always leery posting a score because of the precision of the internet scorers. Awesome bull again man, not often you see a bull with droptines.

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Im not giving trying to give anyone a hard time.. Id like to see some field photos of this bull for sure though! 433 inches is alot of bone!
 
Yes sir i know its hard to believe when people throw scores around but i had him officially scored in my home town of New Mexico.by Carl Chavez at mountain legend taxidermy.HO also mounted him My bull scores 433 sci.AND i also posted a small story in Wyoming forum four u guys.And no 505 is where Im from i shot the bull at couple hundred yards never ranged it 4sure but it was close.Im the kind of person ho says things how it is and thats what u guys got.no high fences here,hope u guys enjoyed and happy hunting.
 
Ya u are right kilowatt he would score less Boone and Crockett if u knew anything about scoring it was the right way to go with his extras, but the funny thing about ur post is that u have words and no pics And at the end of the day hes on my wall
 
Thats one heck of a bull. Double droptines! Wow you don't see that to often.

I would love to see some field photos!!!
 
Nice bull sniper, heads up tho, Kilowatt is one of the nicest fella's you will ever know. Not to mention a moderator. I'm sure he knows plenty about scoring an animal. Not everyone is out to get ya, especially not Kilowatt. I'm sure he was just pointing something out. Not trying to take away from your bull.

Speaking of 433, i'm having a hard time coming up with that number now pictures are never a good way to try and add up numbers so i'm sure its just me. Perhaps you have a score sheet or more pics??


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Ya ur right berry i dont know any of u guys and its hard to score pictures.I posted some outher pics on the Wyoming page and ill post more tmm to help u guys out,and a pic of the score sheet.And when it comes out in an up coming mag ill be sure to post that with the official score.
 
I can see where the bull goes over 400 have seeing some more pictures. Excuse me for doubting you.. Its just hard to guess the score of a bull when you can only see one of his antlers on a mule. Whatever in the hell he scores who honestly cares, its a hell of a bull and hell of a one at that if It came out of the Thorofare, which seems likely. Congrats on your success sure wish I could of found a bull like that up in Wyo this past year.
Coloradoboy
 
Not sure he will make 'awards' minimun in the real book score for a non-typical.

You certainly should be very happy with that big ole bull no matter the score.

congrats

Robb
 
Hell I like the Bull and the Mule, But hey it just a mule packers thing. I bet it was a ball trying to move that mule and rack thru the trees don't blame ya a bit for taking the long way around. 22 Miles is a trip for a day ride.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
505,
I was only pointing out that there would be a difference between the SCI & B&C scores. Nothing wrong with that Bull at all you got a good bull so lighten up and enjoy your trophy.

Brian
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Not even using hay bale and Crockett's system. Nice bull, bad form.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-01-11 AT 08:19AM (MST)[p]505
Thanks for posting up a great Bull and story about a good hunt.
Don't worry about if it's a sci score or not this is a big bull anyway you cut it That is what he was saying it just a different score but doesn't take a thing away from your bull.I love small mules too they are easier to load and offload. LOL
Just so you know you will always get a few with ELK Envy and if they had dynamite for brains it wouldn't even blow their hat off.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
505 sniper

that is one hell of a bull, and im willing to say im jealous. congrads on a true monster bull
 
I simply asked a question and 505 went off the handle about knowing how to score... Yes, I'm finding it hard to see in pictures it being that big... Doesn't mean it isn't... Is he telling me he is gonna lose close to 50" and not make it in the B&C? A great story and bull can be tarnished with BS of the score...
 
One really good thing about it we got some new horn porn! Been a long time since we got any fresh stuff to look at. This thread has generated two new pics that I haven't seen.......yay for them! haha

Not in a demeaning way but the most that I have been able to come up with is 410" I figure a 380" typ frame with 30 inches in the dropper......Now I sure as heck don't claim to know a lot about elk but thats the most ive got......

Can ya help me out 505?? I'm sure i'm missing something somewhere

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Is anyone here versed in SCI scoring...? This bull looks big- With the cheater I'd give him about a 390" score even- just to be generous...

But how does a 433" SCI compare to B&C Scoring..?

Great bull 505Sniper...!!! Once-In-A-Lifetime for sure...


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
As far as I know just some mass measurements and some differences in lenght... Still a helluva bull if it is 433" SCI... SCI doesn't care about deductions, which I don't either... It should still make B&C?
 
Great bull. I for one can see where that bull will go 430 sci, or gross b&c. He has a great frame, 370 range as best I can tell, and if the droppers match he has 25-30" of extra each side. Fantastic bull, esp for WY!
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-01-11 AT 10:35AM (MST)[p]Dude if you would have said it was a utah bull most of these mm oficial scorers would have busted a nut.

Looks like a monster bull to me. Id love to tag one just as nice or even half as nice. Congrats
 
18, 18, 15,20, 12 and 53"MB and 30" mass with 40" spread is 372 and dropper is 20" with extra 7". Come on, great bull and certainly in the ball park with 430. Comparing this bull to DA's bull is rediculous, ones a straight up typical and the other is a freak.
 
how's it ridiculous? Rons bull was 435 gross..Thats how much bone it takes.. (hint, a bunch more than a 340 rack, with 30" of extra's)
 
no wonder there are fewer and fewer pictures of racks on here...


Great bull, thanks for posting up some pictures of it!
Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 
I know how much bone it takes, I have shot a bull over 400". I am sceptical of many scores posted on the net, but this one is not in that category.
add all the inches from those droppers onto the typical frame this bull has and it would look a lot more impressive, but looks great as it lies.
 
I guess I missed the dropper on the other side? Roado, you had it as 372 + 27 = ballpark of 430, I didn't get that... So there must be a dropper of 27 on the other side... If not that is only 399... I agree it is a awesome elk...
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-01-11 AT 01:29PM (MST)[p]This thread is a great example why myself and others will never post another picture on MM.
Leave it to the MM know it all internet pro's that can find nothing better to do then tear down someone else.

Good job guys!
 
for sure, only the one side was visible on the mule. he said it had double droppers. my assumption was that the other side had as much bone(big assumption). 370 frame plus 25-30" extra each side puts him near the 430 mark.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-01-11 AT 04:11PM (MST)[p]See the picture on the Wyoming Forum it shows the other drop tine. I don't care if it scores 433 or 415 That's a big bull and the guy posting it says it was scored by a Big Game scorer, I'm willing to take his word for it, Any of you Jackwagons have proof that it didn't score that, Post it up.(I'm betting it just your internet judging skills) I'm pretty sure you will be seeing this Bull in one of the Magazines soon enough 433 SCI score is good enough,a BC score will not change what this bull looks like. If I was 505 I would pull the pictures and tell ya all to kiss my AZZ.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
Found it, had too look at the wyo forum pic, didn't realize there were double droppers.....now it all makes sense to me! Smoker bull without the droppers, unbelievable with them!!! good on ya 505!

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What I was saying is he should get it scored in B&C also because it will still make book... It is one hell of a bull... He jumped my azz...
 
SNIPER--can you post up a few more pics,went to the Wyoming forum and seen that pic there..But would like to see that other side...Hard to tell what it looks like from that pic..thanks
 
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>See the picture on the
>Wyoming Forum it shows
> the other drop tine.


Where? I see a split drop tine (the same split "double" drop tine you can clearly see in the mule pic), and an ear... Look, he is a great bull, just dont blow smoke up our ass..thats all.



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Doesn't SCI use the metric system? Great bull no matter what he scores.

No estas en mexico ahora, entonces escoja tu basura
chancho sucio.
 
Here some more smoke LOOK closely at the picture CAN YOU SEE the other side and the dropper. Hope it don't smoke you up to much.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
First of all GREAT bull! Second, dont let any of these fools get to you! It's no doubt that anyone of us would shoot that bull right after we finished crappin our pants, without taking even a second to think about score.
It is no wonder why there are less and less people posting pics on here with a score. I won't ever post a pic here of a harvest because it always starts sounding like a high school party where all the teenage adolescent boys are bragging about how they got thier nasty on with the cheerleader, and the fact is there probably aren't but a couple of them that ever got it wet....ever.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-02-11 AT 01:01AM (MST)[p]>>See the picture on the
>>Wyoming Forum it shows
>> the other drop tine.
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>Where? I see a split drop
>tine (the same split "double"
>drop tine you can clearly
>see in the mule pic),
>and an ear... Look, he
>is a great bull, just
>dont blow smoke up our
>ass..thats all.
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Reddog
how can you not see the dropper coming out of the right antler between the g2 and g3. Look in the shade. The bull has droppers on both sides and they are both big droppers. I also don't know why you are busting this guys balls. I definatly believe this bull is over 400" and that it should als be big enough for 99% of the OIL No big bulls in Utah croud. I also dont think you can compare the antlers on that mule. I believe that mule is bigger then average mule "average mule will weight around a 1,000 lbs", "An average bull elk will weigh in around 710 lbs"

The mules we use for packing are larger then the horses we ride and definatly larger then an elk so when you put the horns on them the horns will look smaller.

The spider bull in person doesn't look over 500" to me with its short looking main beams especially when you compare it to Rons bull.

505s bull is in the Monster bull class either way you look at it.


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YO guys sorry got tied up with that work stuff.I also thought i would just let u guys fight it out and stay out of it.Sorry if i came of as if i was bragging that wasn't my point at all. I guess i could have just let it sit in my house and collect dust but that would be a waste in my eyes.And at the end of the day scores are just numbers & not to mention iv never shot anything that was worth putting a tape on till last year.Anyway it obvious we are all die hard hunters that's why we are glued to this dam computer.Its fun though,im going to pick the beast up from the taxi sun so when i get him ill post some better pics.
 
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"how can you not see the dropper coming out of the right antler between the g2 and g3"

Sorry, not seeing a dropper on HIS right side..You guys are giving him bone, that aint even there. The only dropper visible, is on his left, between the 3rd and 4th..Unless you have bionic eyes..I've no doubt gator has walleyes, but...


"Here some more smoke LOOK closely at the picture CAN YOU SEE the other side and the dropper. Hope it don't smoke you up to much."

dummy, go somewhere and happen..Thanks in advance
 
Instead of acting like you know everything and are right. . why dont you try raising the brightness on that computer screen of yours, as the dropper on his RIGHT side is blantantly obvious and is there. Just cause this bull didnt have 20 guys sleeping on it all summer like Mossback, doesnt mean it cant break 400. Believe it or not some bulls go over 400" that dont take a hoard of people to kill.
 
>Instead of acting like you know
>everything and are right. .
>why dont you try raising
>the brightness on that computer
>screen of yours, as the
>dropper on his RIGHT side
>is blantantly obvious and is
>there. Just cause this bull
>didnt have 20 guys sleeping
>on it all summer like
>Mossback, doesnt mean it cant
>break 400. Believe it or
>not some bulls go over
>400" that dont take a
>hoard of people to kill.
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Just curious, what side are you guys calling the "right"? Because there assuredly isnt an extra "blatantly obvious" on his right side.I guess it was a huge assumption on my part that you would have the faculties to comprehend what I said (or basic knowledge of a scoring system), and I was obviously wrong.Not my fault that I dont have a gear low enough for this conversation..
 
Reddog..... You are gonna look bad.... there is absolutely a dropper on both sides.... I'm just sayin....

Hell of a bull!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-02-11 AT 09:32PM (MST)[p]Dude! wake the hell up and open your damn eyes...someone here even described the location of the the right droptine for you: between 2 and 3 angling backward and down off the mainbeam. It's black like a shadow as the photo is very over exposed...hard to tell how long it is in picture, but it ain't no dink kicker

regardless, it would be nice to see some good quality photos of that big dude...but if he's writing an article for a mag, he's probably using the best ones for that

505, one hell of a tank! very unique character to them horns...don't see that often!

Cheers'

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My old walleye picked that dropper up quick,I have a spare set of glasses in case you need them, Thanks 45 for showing poor old feeble eye Reddog the dropper. LOL
At the end of the day it really doesn't matter he's a OUTSTANDING Bull that anyone would be happy to have gotten.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
Guys-
For the sake of everyone on this site, I think when a picture of an animal is posted on this site the score should be excluded (i've made the mistake myself) all that scores seem to do around this place is start pissing matches across the board. Instead of congratulating someone on their success, the infamous MM's 'score war' breaks out every time. I'll admit there are scores posted on here that I agree with and I disagree with, but there is no point in arguing over it. Some times a photo doesnt give you a full grasp on what a rack looks like in person (a lot like women on facebook these days!) haha All kidding aside, if a guy truly wants to throw an extra 20 inches on his animal, than so be it, who gives a Sh#t. At the end of the day I think we need to take a step back from the criticism all of us are guilty of at times and just congratulate a guy/gal on a job well done on a successful hunt, its about supporting those who share our passion as hunters and outdoorsmen.
Coloradoboy
 
I for one don't like to be BullS*%#ed... We are curious critters and like to know what the animal scores... When does it become the posters responsibility to not lie... If you want to post a pic without the score, I imagine everyone would have nothing but good to say... This comment has nothing to do with 505, I'm gonna believe this elk scores that... He is throwing out an official scorers name... I don't think he would try and ruin the reputation of a taxidermist/ official SCI scorer... Awesome elk 505!!! I would like to see some pics of the finished work, thanks for posting... PM them, if you would rather...
 
I don't care if someone post up pics of a bull and says it scores 300 or 500 it's not my bull and I don't really care what it scores. I can tell a good bull when I see one and thats a real good one!!!
 
Thats a hell of a bull no matter what anybody says!!!! Take a look at Eastmans' Hunting Journal issue 88 April/May of 05. There is a bull from Wyoming also that is just like yours. Has the same droppers in the same spots on both sides.
 
First of all, IMO it is really hard/nearly impossible to be a score 'expert' by looking at a picture online..with 1 antler showing, upside down on a mule no less.....I am all for questioning where the score came from, it makes us all better judges, but I cant stand negativity from resident monster muley elk 'experts'. The animal is magnificent and I congratulate the hunter on a trophy and experience of a lifetime.

Here is the scoop....I had the priveledge to help score the animal. It was scored by 1 master and 2 official SCI scorers. YES IT IS LEGIT 433 SCI. This may help clarify the score. SCI system is not all that different than a B&C Gross Score, the theory is if the animal expended resources to grow it, we should count it....I tend to agree with this system, but we all have our opinions......In the SCI system (not sure about B&C)a tine is determined by following 'bloodlines' back to the tine or in this case to the mainbeam. On the droptine that is forked the bloodlines run all the way to the main beam on both point of the fork. Biologically speaking this means that the elk grew these points and expended the necessary resources necessary to grow the mainbeam and its tines relatively independent of each other. I dont remember specifics but the frame was approx 370 with roughly 60+ inches of extras from droptines.

By the way, the mount came out incredible as well. Hats off the Carl at Mountain Legends Taxidermy.
 
Thanks for the explanation 400 on how this bull was scored. I tend not to agree with the way SCI scores, but it's just an opinion.:) It's a beautiful bull, and I don't think anyone would disagree it's a 370 bull with double droppers.
 
Boone and Crockett score isn't gonna be that different as a non-typical!!! Still gonna score well over 400!!!
 
Hi 400,

Am I correct in understanding that with the SCI method of measuring, the primary stem of this bulls left drop tine is in effect recorded twice, as in the section between the mainbeam and the fork is included for each one of the points?

Please excuse my confusion, but the practice would indeed seem strange, and would certainly add quite a few 'invisible' inches in a case such as here with 505's big dude

What about if there is a split in a Normal Tine? Would that follow the same procedure?

Thanks in advance!
 
Thanks for the link WV, that makes fine sense, as I'd always thought SCI and B&C gross were identical...everything measured normally, no deductions

I don't understand the language in your post 400, especially the bit about 'bloodlines'?

Perhaps you could clarify?

Thanks
 
There is still deductions with the Boone and Crockett score... They still deduct difference from lengths and mass measurements...
 
I'm sorry great western, I miss read your post on the GROSS score... What I was trying to say is the bull should still make B&C non-typical, even with the deductions... Unless there is 48 points in deductions... From what I see, there is no way in hell there are that many...
 
Ya thanks Cmiddleton, I'm aware of that....Chadder, its no worries man!

Still interested to have 400 help us understand his description of SCI measuring procedure and 'bloodlines'... Or maybe someone else could clarify?

Cheers'
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-11-11 AT 02:56PM (MST)[p]Just got back from a two week trip to Texas to visit the folks and what do I see but another stud of an animal in a thread with a bunch of experts criticizing scoring, rather than commending the guy for one hell of an animal. I hope one member who kept arguing that there wasn't a double drop on the right side has a good eye exam before next season, as I don't know that I'd want to be near him with a gun in his hands, LOL!!! Beautiful animal 505, and I'm sorry that pictures of fantastic animals turn out this way!!!
 
Nice bull, congrats to the hunter! Sounds like a once in a lifetime experience, hats off to you for putting in the hard work to harvest this magnificent animal and thanks for sharing the photos.

LBR
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-23-11 AT 01:08AM (MST)[p]+1
Would love to see the bull mounted. . . . uh. . that didn't sound to good. I better re-phrase what I just said, due to the many fellow MM members whose minds "might" be in the gutter.

I would love to see the finished product!
 

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