Oldest Bull???

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Wondering what the oldest bull anybody knows of that has been killed? Any state or weapon dont matter.
A Utah monroe bull in 07... 11 1/2 years old killed with a bow is the oldest i know of.
 
My buddy shot a bull on the Southwest Desert unit in utah, his tooth data came back at 13! So looks like 13 is the oldest so far, does anyone know of an older bull than that?
 
Nice 13 huh.. you know the were abouts on the score on that old bugger?

Also i was wondering about the age they start to decline with their antler growth. The 11 1/2 year old bull scored right around 365 i believe.
 
I killed a bull this year on the San Juan unit n Utah that was ageed at 13.5 yrs old. He was not as big as he had been a few years earlier but still grossed 399 and change. I have heard of older but not that I know details of.
 
I know somebody that took a Bull off SJ several years back that was 13!

The only tooth left was one ivory,He was still in great shape,makes ya wonder how he'd of faired the next Winter though?

He definitely Regressed!

Thanks to Poor Management there ain't gonna be many Bulls anymore that make it to 10 years old let alone 13!



For GAWDS Sakes Guys,We Got Kids on this Site,Some of them are 65 years Old!:D

I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!
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I could be wrong on this, but I thought that I heard or read it at the expo, that the Snake Bull was 13 years old. Someone will have to confirm it though. If I am right, then he scored incredibly for being 13 y/o. I believe his net was just under 400". San Juan Utah bull.

Most bulls will begin to decline around 8-9 years- if they even live that long.




"Half of being smart, is knowing what you're dumb about."
 
Of course the SJ Snake Bull was down a little!

Still a big SOB though!

It's just too damn bad a Bull of that caliber lived that long & was able to spread some Genes for several years!

It's Perty Bad when every Big Bull in the State has a name,it'll even be worse when there are not any Big Bulls left to name!



For GAWDS Sakes Guys,We Got Kids on this Site,Some of them are 65 years Old!:D

I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!
:p
 
I shot a bull in 1986 that was aged at 14... It wouldn't have made it through the winter... He had scabies really bad and I couldn't save the cape... I would have liked to seen him in his prime...
 
Not sure if this counts or not because it's a CWMU unit (but still free ranging elk)....Deseret Land & Livestock harvest's bulls 15 and older, annually.
 
It does count PUNK!

Shows that they will live that long if you let em!

For GAWDS Sakes Guys,We Got Kids on this Site,Some of them are 65 years Old!:D

I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!
:p
 
A few months ago a friend of mine asked me to help him deliver a fourwheeler to a customers house. As soon as the garage opened the first thing i noticed was the biggest 4x4 bull ive ever seen. After dealing with the wheeler i asked about the bull and he said he shot it in eastern nevada 4 or 5 years ago, he then showed us a certificate from the nevada fish and game congratulating him on harvesting the oldest elk ever know of in nevada. 17 yrs. old!!!!
 
My archery bull 07 didn't have any teeth to age him by...I woulda loved to see him in his prime!
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-19-11 AT 09:19PM (MST)[p]14 1/2 help a guy get bull 08 book cliffs road area. 5 point scored 357 1/8 dwr aged teeth at 14 1/2
 
My sister's bull off the Wasatch this past year was aged at 13 years old. Search my username for pics posted in late September or early October. He scored in the mid 360s.
 
Killed a 14 yr old, according to the DWR, this year with my bow on the Pahvant. Only had a one tooth that looked bad. the rest seemed ok. He still had what it took to keep the ladies around. picked him off out of a heard of 30 cows. I posted some pictures a bit a go under a different thread about elk going down hill. l
 
Ariz. G&F aged my archery bull from 2003 at 12.5 yrs. Good mass, decent fronts, weak on top. Former herd bull, relegated to a solitary 285-inch screamer ...

Lv2hnt

"Every man dies --- not every man really lives."
 
Kzkammo, I had to do detachable antlers...He' 63" wide. I couldn't get him through any doors.

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I took a bull in MT about 10 years ago that FWP aged at 17 1/2 years old. A real gnarly old warrior that I shot with a bow while he had his nose up a cow's ass. Pretty exciting, as another cow was within 5 feet when I dumped the string. His horns were massive but somewhat deformed, with a broken brow tine (from early in the season, while still growing) and some flattened points, etc. There was no question he was old, but even I was suprised by the tooth data. He still had all his teeth, but the back molars were paper thin between the individual roots - really bad worn down.

As I was about 6 miles back in the wilderness at the time I was happy to give away as much of the meat as others were willing to pack out. I was sure he would be a tough old bugger, so I only kept one hind quarter and backstrap for myself. Turned out he was etremely mild and tender, even though he was shot in the rut. Great bull, he was still a 6x6 and scored just over 300 gross, but it was obvious he was on the downhill side of antler development.

Bill
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-20-11 AT 01:10PM (MST)[p]Bulls don't hit their peak usually until 8+ years. Deseret ages them all(killed) and many years the average is 9+. A bull at 11-12 can still be going strong but then they seem to decline and get gnarly. 15 is getting pretty old. The cows live longer.
 
Blanding_Boy---Studies that I have read all say that 10.5 years is about the average for peak antler growth in Rocky Mountain elk.
 
"COMMANDER" Killed off the Beaver age 14.5. Scored 380 gross. Peaked age at 10 and scored bout 410ish off of sheds then 408ish age 11 then mid 90 at 12, then high 80's at 13. What a legend. Congrats Pat!!!!
 
We killed a bull in Nevada a few years back that was aged at 14, we had 5 years of sheds. He was from the Ely Unit.
1997 348 9 years
1998 353 10 years
1999 358 11 years
2000 364 12 years
2001 373 13 years
Harvested fall 2001 366 14 years old
 
Hi Todd,
Once a bull is 8 or so he has the maturity to be pretty much what he can be. IMHO from 7 - 12 years the variance has more to do with environmental variation on a given year i.e. food, temperature, early spring, wet summer, etc. Those factors change the average antler size in a given year on a herd even when the average harvest age stays the same. We have killed big bulls at 6 but who knows what they might have become. We've killed big bulls at 12 who weren't that great in previous years.
 
NVguide, I'm curious. was it average growth in length and mass, or did the bull gain in one area much more than another?
 
He gained a little bit everywhere but not as much in mass as one would expect, probably gained the most in his G1, G2 and G3.
 
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My "Goofy Elk" bull was aged at 11.....
I was also told his strange antler configuration could be
genetic to the area....They had seen more than one like this
over the years..

May-be the cat would know, I took him an Anthro, 2004,archery.

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few years ago horn hunting i found a rag bull. after doing the whole invesgation thing with game and fish they looked at his teeth. ivories were gone. teeth were down to there gums. one antler was normal while the other had no points until the royal and it palmated. they said he could be up 18 years. the warden said he never seen a bull this old nor teeth that far worn down to nothing. his front teeth even had holes in them. poor guy was in pain



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LAST EDITED ON Apr-25-11 AT 10:31AM (MST)[p]Not a bull, but I once shot a cow in Montana on one of the winter Gallatin hunts that was 14 1/2 years old. She was huge, for a cow, and had ear tags from when she was a calf, as well as a radio collar that was over 10 years old. She weighed 466 pounds field dressed, with her lower legs removed, on the Gallatin game check station's scale. The biologist working there told us she weighed right at the average they had for mature 6 pt. bulls, and over 100 pounds more than the average mature cow weighs.

The warden and biologist working there were stunned when we told them she had a bull fetus in her. They couldn't hitch up the trailer with the snow machine fast enough to get to the kill site to recover it for study.

I also shot a cow once in New Mexico in unit 15A on a bowhunt that was sway backed, with her ribs showing and she had a lot of white hair, especially around her face. Never had her aged, but she seemed ancient. She also ate terrible, even worse than that Montana cow did. If hamburger could be tough, hers was.
 
I never had him aged, but my first bull was a massive bodied, stinky old bull. His neck was huge, but his antlers were definitely on the downside with short palmated points. He let out a raspy, growling scream when he bugled. His teeth were worn out, and again, he was all rutted up and rank...probably the nastiest thing I've ever had to field dress.

However, contrary to what I thought it'd be, he was one of the best eating elk I've ever taken. An old timer told me that when they get that old and their teeth wear down they get more selective in what they feed on. Therefore, the meat turns out better...sort of like finishing/feeding out livestock.
 

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