Packgoats in Action!

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Along with the youth hunt photos, I also received some photos of the goats on a recent scouting trip. I was out Tuesday night with one goat and the new Kifaru tipi and stove. What a great piece of equipment! When I woke up Wednesday, I reached out of my sleeping bag and shoved a handfull of twigs into the little stove and lit it up. Withing 3 minutes the stove and stovepipe were glowing red and the temperature in the tipi was probably in the 80's. Now that's what I'm talking about.

Oh, I did see 28 deer, 4 of which were mule deer bucks.

Scott

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Sniper...as I sit here laughing...I realize I have some competition...

I have never thought to use goats for packing...truely a unique thing you have going on here. Albeit amazing, you do have a good thing going for you.

I wish you well in Wyoming, good luck...

Scott G.
 
Sniper, seriously, I think this pack goat thing is great. Thanks for the pictures and dont let anyone "Get your Goat"..... Allen......
 
do u put ur goat in the back of pick-up? or do u have a trailer?

beautiful goats....hope your hunting area is not a lion country?

vinihunt
 
Vini I haul the goats in the back of the truck and they ride back there just fine. It's a whole lot easier than messing with a trailer. Everywere I take the goats is lion country! I've never had any problems with lions yet. The goats stay with me all the time and I'm always packin a "piece". Later, I gotta go feed the goats.

Scott
 
I've been, mildly, thinking about getting some goats. How hard are they to deal with? How much do you load on em? Do they browse, or do you carry feed for them?

Did you buy you paniers? Or did you build your own. How old do they have to be to go to work?

What kind are you using?

I've put out questions in the past, but few people have heard of using them.
 
Goats are not hard to deal with especially in comparison to tradition pack animals (ie. horses, mules). They are small enough that one can "control" them. They don't take any special training and the first time you strap a saddle to them they seem to take to it like a duck to water. I'll load anywhere from 20 to 40 lbs. per goat depending on the terrain I'll be hiking, but I've read where they will haul about 30% of their body weight.

I don't haul feed or water for the goats. They browse on whatever is available and I may carry them a snack or two. When out hiking a goat's body will shift into a "desert" mode and they will actually recycle their urine. I've never been out more than one night at a time so far, but have yet to have a goat take a drink when on a hike even when I tried to water them. I've read where they can go up to 3 days without drinking depending on the moisture content of their feed.

Most of my equipment is homemade. I was given one saddle and two sets of paniers. From that a friend of mine built 9 saddles with panier sets for all of them. A typical euipment setup will run about $200 per goat.

As far as what kind of goat, just about any goat will pack including the pygmies. Of course you will want a big strong goat for packing. I have 5 goats and 3 are good packers the other 2 are really pets, they didn't cut it, although they will pack they tend to tire easily. Of the three good ones, two are LaMancha crosses and one of those is a LaMancha/Sannen cross (the white one). The brown and white one is probably the best packer as far as strength, stamina and overall muscle conformation. He is a Boer crossed with some Spanish mixture. He's a really strong good looking goat but has an anoying bleat. I will be looking for some more of the Boer crosses for my next generation of packers.

You can start packing a goat light at about a year and half or so, but they really come into their own at about three years. They are very similar to deer in that they hit their prime at 5 to 7 years. Nuetered billies are the prefered sex. My 3 goats are 3 1/2, 4 and 6 years old.

As we start to age it seems the packs get a little heavier and the trails a little longer and steeper. The goats are certainly a welcome addition to my "hunting gear" and a lot less weight on my back makes for a more enjoyable outing which after all is the real reason we spend time in the outdoors to begin with.

Scott
 
Can you ride the goats if you get too tired? Looks like rough country I am not sure one would need to be stomping around in that stuff ;-) but if you could ride one of those things out once you got tired that might work!!! That is cool, I thought the "Packgoat" thing was a joke!

Bret M.
 
Sniper
How are goats on extended hikes, say 4-5 miles? Do they have the endurance for that kind of trip carring 30 pounds? How do they do on really rocky areas and steep slopes where there are no trails? Lastly, what does an average mature goat cost?
 
I'M LAUGHING MY ASS OFF SCOTT. ALL THIS TIME I THOUGHT YOU WERE USING A SLANG TERM FOR LLAMAS. YOU HAVE IT GOING, THATS AWESOME. HEADED FOR AZ NEXT WEEK. MYSELF,RIFLE,BULL-PAC AND BINOS. I WILL KEEP YPU POSTED.

ALLEN- I WILL GIVE YOU A CALL AND SEE IF I CAN SWING DROPPING DOWN TO MESA ON MY WAY. THIS WEEKEND I AM HELPING TWO OF MY BUDDIES ON COLORADO MULEYS AND WITH A LITTLE LUCK WE WILL BE DONE BY SUN SO I CAN HEAD TO AZ EARLY.

LATER JD
 
The Ole Packgoats do pretty well on extended hikes but it does depend on the terrain, weight of the load and the physical condition of the goat. You can't let a goat sit in a corral for six months and then strap a pack to him and expect him to perform like a champ on a 5 or 6 mile hike. They do require some conditioning. I keep my goats over at a friends place. He fenced in a cliff behind his house and the goats climb around on the rocks and stay in fair shape although they are a little on the heavy side. I've had my goats on one long hike. We went 5 miles in on an afternoon and the next morning hiked back out 5 miles to the truck. Each goat had about 25 lbs. The goats were tired but they did well.

As for handling steep, rocky terrain where no trails exist? That's where the packgoat really excels! Goats are mountain animals and handle the rocks and steepness better than I do with a loaded pack. A couple of weeks ago I had them out and and in an area where I was using both hands to climb up, the goats with saddles and loaded paniers just dug in bounded up the hill like deer nearly running me over in the process! Rock slides don't seem to bother them a bit and areas with big boulders, they just bounce from one to the next. As a general rule if you can hike there with a pack on, so can they.

Trying to find a mature wether (nuetered billie) can be tough unless someone is specifically breeding for packers. Most wethers are eaten long before they reach a good packing size. If you do find one you should be able to pick it up for $75 or so. If you buy from a packgoat breeder expect to pay in the neighborhood of $300 give or take. If you buy them young like I did you can get one for about $35 and they are easy to find.

I was out this morning in unit 27 with a friend that had a mule deer tag. He took a little 2 by first thing. He was happy with it since his physical condition won't let him get out and do much walking. It was one of the bucks I glassed up Wednesday morning. The goats stayed home.

Scott
 
Scott, those pack goats have got me hooked. PW and I both are checking into getting around 4 of them, hope they work out by the time next years season comes around. Congrats on taking your buddy out, I bet he is real proud. JT: just holler if you can and we can trade lies....... Allen......
 
I'm asking around and to buy goats is not much too it. There are plenty of them around to be had. I would really like to visit with Sniper more when I'm out there in Jan about them. But it's seems pretty painless and very inexpensive!

Scott G...
 
Scott, just go out on an overnighter one time with the goats hauling all your stuff and you will really be sold. I've even taken them on fishing trips down the river. They hauled my tackle box, lawn chair, rods, and an ice chest! I sat and fished and the goats grazed on weeds along the river bank. What a life!!!

If you are looking for goats you will want to avoid the Nubian breed of goats, they are the ones with big floppy ears. They tend to be a little on the lazy side.

Scott A.

p.s. Maybe we'll use them this January to haul our pigs out.
 
I'd like to see them in action in person. I wouldn't mind letting a goat pack for me...finally someone (something) else to pack instead of me ALWAYS getting to do it. hehe (I don't mind)

But Allen and I are considering taking a page out of your book...thanks for the information.

Scott G.
 

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