OH, what could have been!!!!!

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Ok...I think it is time to change my username. It seems that the Fishlake unit has a curse on my family. We have hunted here our entire lives..I have had the opportunity to chase bug bulls here for years and been on some fantastic hunts. But it seems when myself or a family member draws..it get REALLY tough FAST!

This year my Dad drew the Rifle tag. We knew we were in for a good hunt as we have been seeing lots of good bulls early in the year. It seems that we were ready to go. Good friends were helping and hunting the Archery (BigJohnT) and had found some good bulls.

As the hunt grew closer everyone was excited. We had heard of many good bulls. We decided to concentrate in one area where John had seen a good bull on the Archery. On Thursday before the hunt my Dad and Uncle found a GREAT bull. Come to find out later it was the same bull that John and his son had chased, but had moved a mile or so down the canyon. Anyway, we found this bull and watched him for two days. On Saturday we found him, but he was up in some Private and could not get him down to where we needed him to be. He was with 10 or so cows and would not leave them. We passed up a couple very nice bulls on Saturday..with our sights set on this bull!!!!!

On Sunday morning we set out to our lookout and started looking over the elk in the canyon. We were looking at a couple of 320ish bulls and I decided to give a couple cow calls to play with them. We had cow called a few times and had multiple bulls screaming back at us!!! We were watching a nice bull at about 500 yards when one of my good buddies said "holy crap...look at that bull" We all looked where he was looking and about 1000 yards away, coming in on a string...was "our" bull!! He had left his cows and was all alone looking for love. He was coming straight at us at almost a trot!! We could not believe our luck!! We were set up across a MONSTER canyon that is steep and nasty...but he was coming hard. We got set up with the video..Dad all ready to shoot. We picked a spot we thought he was heading..ranged at 440 yards..and brought him right to it. And this is what we saw:

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He was ready to DIE!! Dad was ready....he pulled the trigger and through 40 power on the spotting scope I watched this bull flop like he got hit with a Mack Truck!! His front legs buckled...dropped and rolled 3 times down the hill and into the oak!! We could not believe it! Dad had done it...everything had worked perfect!! We whooped and yelled and high fived and hugged! He dropped like a ton of bricks and was DEAD!!......BUT WAIT!...What...what do you mean he is moving. He cant be! But sure enough..we could just see the tips of his antlers and head moving in the oak. NO WAY..but sure enough..this is pulled from the video as well and this is what we could see.

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Sure enough...he was sitting there moving his head. At this point he was exactly 400 yards away...and this is the ONLY view we could get of him. He was slowly moving his head back and forth..stretching his neck like he could not move! Ok..we are alright..he had broke his back and he was trying to set up! But now what to do. Lets try punching a bullet into the oak and get another bullet in him. Well...with the only view of his above..it was a Guess as to where his body was. He shot twice..both times the bull not even flinching! He left ear sagging..hardly moving his head..but still alive! 30 minutes of agony wondering what to do! After all of us watching him...we knew that he was either bleeding out right there...or his back was broke and could not move and was not dying.

So.....we made the decision to just walk over and put him out. We left my uncle on the hill to watch and guide us in to the bull. Now, to cross this massive canyon took us 45 minutes to get over there. The entire time the bull does not move..can not move..he is dying! Well, as our luck would have it as we get about 30 yards away...the bull BOLTS!! I mean my Uncle is YELLING..he is RUNNING!!! WHAT?!?!?!?! Cant be..his back is broken! Well, that is what we thought! The bull bolts straight up hill and runs like NOTHING is wrong! CRAP!!!!!!

Well, my uncle was sitting in some trees and as the bull moved up the hill, with us on the chase, my uncle loses his line of sight and had to move around some trees to find him. During his move the bull DISAPPEARS!!!!!!! GONE!!!! He never saw him again.

For the next 6 hours...5 guys looked under every rock, bush and tree to try and find "our" bull! He was ours..we just new it. A friend and I were on hands and knees for 45 minutes at the place where the bull had stood! We found ONE little spot of blood..about the size of a quarter where he was. What could have happened!?!?!?! We reviewed the Video a MILLION times. After much deliberation and looking. It looks like he hit him just high in the shoulder...above anything vital...but just below the Spine. The concussion of the bullet must have spine shocked him and dropped him like a ton of SH**! But hit nothing vital. If ONLY we could have had a view of his body..Dad could have hit him 10 out of 10 times as he stood there. But we just were guessing as to where to shoot into the oak. We guessed wrong hwo the bull was standing and shot into the wrong area.

Well...we hunted this bull for 4 more days! We did not want to give up..we kept after it. We went in looking for crows or any sign of a dead bull. We looked and looked and walked and walked. By this time..attitudes and hope were GONE!! We were SICK and had given up! By this time we finally decided to was time to go hunt another bull. But our hearts were just not in it..for the next 3 days..we were just wrong place...wrong time! It was NOT mean to be. Dad ate Tag soup on his ONLY chance to hunt big bulls at home! OUCH!!! This is gonna sting for a LONG TIME!

Looking back now, we have "what if'ed" and second guessed those few moments a MILLION times. What could have we done different. We have literally made ourselves SICK!! It pretty much RUINED a great experience. Later in the week Dad and I were sitting overa FANTASTIC view..as the sun went down..a place most people would kill to sit over and watch with their Dad..and we were both pissed and fuming over the entire thing because there wasnt an elk in the canyon! It was then that I realized how bad it sucks that we get ONE chance and we put SOOO much pressure on ourselves to kill a great bull...that we forget why we hunt in the first place. To spend time with family and friends and enjoy others company! To sit in the mountains with your Dad and just be happy to be with him and your Brother...to have FUN and just ENJOY!! But NO..one missed opportunity...and everyone HATES IT!

I hope that we can look back on this hunt and remember the GOOD times..to remember "what could have been" and to remember that I got to spend 9 days with my Dad, Brother, Family and Friends in a place that we LOVE....and just ENJOY!!!!!!
 
Good write up. When your dad is gone Im sure the memory of the bull that got away will be a sweet one.
 
nearly the exact same thing happened to my brother and I years ago, a huge bull, a rough canyon, this was before rangefinders and all I can think is the shot was high, below the spine. I don't think we said a word to each other driving 600 miles back home,we were so sick about how it happened.
 
I feel your pain,Been there and done that same deal.

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Dang that sucks man! I feel for ya. I've got a buck that still haunts me to this day. It's a tough pill to swallow. But, you couldn't be more right on the money with your line of think'n. Your "big picture" perspective is really what its all about. Big bull aside, you'll remember those two weeks with your dad for your life time, so to that I say congrats!
 
Great write up of your hunt, and it's too bad about the lost bull. That said, the attitude we take into a hunt can have a very big effect on the outcome. I agree that waiting a lifetime for one hunt like this doesn't promote the correct attitude. The pressure can be tremendous, but that same pressure is also self inflicted. It's important to remember that it's called HUNTING not KILLING, and the enjoyment should be in the adventure, not just the kill.

It was when I stopped fretting over getting a kill (no matter how big the tag) and just started to enjoy the adventure that I REALLY began to love and have fun hunting. If the fun doesn't start until something dies you typically have a lot of misery for a very little amount of fun. What's the point in that?

Funny thing is that when I started having fun while hunting instead of only when killing, I started to get more kills???? Go figure.

I once went on a once-in-a-lifetime Desert Sheep hunt with my dad. He had finally drawn the tag after 20 years of applying. The pressure on him was so high that I, the non-hunting meat packer, had WAY more fun on that hunt than my dad did. Something is wrong with that picture. Sure, you could blame the OIL tag and the time it takes to get one for his stress and pressure, but really it was all in his attitude......He should have enjoyed the HUNT!
 
Years ago one of our party shot at a 6pt said he heard a wack and saw water fly as this was on the coast we all looked for any sign for 2 days never found any. Next day another party shot a 6 in same burn had a hole above every thing and below spine entered between the ribs and exited between ribs.
Sorry to hear about your bull good luck in the future
 
That all sucks.

I was wondering how many bullets your Dad had with him? I have to say that if I were in that situation, I think I would have shot every bullet I had besides 3 at that bull and try to drop one in right below the base of his antlers. I know it says he took 2 shots at him and nothing happened, but it doesn't seem like you could of hurt anything but trying another couple before you made the move. I am not trying to second guess, but am just wondering the conversation that took place after making the 2 hail mary shots.
 
Downthepipe......there was LOTS AND LOTS of discussion about the follow up shots. We have second guessed those moments a TON!!! The problem was we could not see anything but his head. We watched him for almost 45 minutes and just KNEW that he was broke down and could not move....so the decision to move in on him was made. When we got to where he was, we found he was sitting down in a deep little depression on the ground and his body was actually down below and not to the left in the oak as we had thought when shooting at him. Yes, if we had to do it over again...we would shoot him right in the head...we would have shot 15 more times...we would have done a lot of things different. But it seems that hindsight truly is 20-20!!!! In the heat of the moment you make the best choice available. If we had know...but we didnt.

It still stings...and I am not sure Dad will ever get over it. Just one of those things......
 
Based on the information you had at the time and your experience you did the right thing. You can do everything right and things just dont work out sometimes. I can think of many things you could have done since I know what happened but in the heat of the moment you have to work with the info you had. If your dad had stayed put and the bull had gotten away you would be kicking yourself that you did not go over to him in all the time he was laying there. Multiple hunters but one rifle one tag limits your options. If you are like me it much more that it was your father and not yourself as he likely wont get another turn at least in this type of unit. Great story and from a hunting perspective my heart goes out to you guys. Luckily as much as many of us love hunting and want to maximize these coveted tags at the end of the day in life its just hunting and not as important later as it seemed at the time. Best of luck in the future.
 
Yep thats Big Nasty !! When we where on him it was over cast and raining. On a dark morning. Nice to see him in the light. I wish we could have got video of him. I want a copy of the video Jason, of the one that got away....twice...three I guess four times. Being 20 yards from that big stinky , you can see why we pushed him hard for the last three days ,instead of going after one of the smaller bulls on the unit. We just couldn't get him to make another mistake and get close again.
After he walked by Chad at 20 yards he stood out in the open meadow for 30 or 40 minutes bugling and running around his cows. He would come back to 80 or 90 yards but never any closer.With a gun or muzzle loader ahhhhhh.....? Will I guess thats why they call it bow hunting!
The time heals the pain....give it time !! We will have some stories to tell around the camp fire ;-)
See ya on the mountain !!
 
Feel your pain, have been there myself about 12 years ago, almost the same situation as yours except I was alone. The thing I learned from my experience is slow down and think all options out, easier said, then there in the heat of things. In my case I should have poked a few more holes in him, just to be on the safe side. Its is all about the experience, with me hopfully I learned something, but with hunting you never really know.
 
Had to post my uncles response to the post. He is so right.

BTW I am FLEH's brother.


"Great story Jason! The comments about the story tell it all. Almost everyone, including you and I, have also got those memories of our own to haunt us in the dark hours of a rainy night..............But as you say, I would not trade that hunt for anything in the world. The anticipation, the finding of that bull, and the actual execution of the plan which worked to perfection, having all of us there, the video........... We just didn't have to pack meat!! By the way, that is how it will be in Heaven; "catch and release hunting" of that I am sure. This just prepared us for the eventual "higher law" we all want to be a part of. Just a test to see if we're prepared! #####!!!!!!! I'm not ready!!"
 
FEH,
I feel your pain. My dad had that tag last year and he missed a good bull at close range. We ended up eating tag soup and I replay that moment over and over again on what we could have done different to connect on that shot. Like BigJ stated only time can help.
Big Nasty is quite the bull. Can't wait till I finally draw my tag and get to chase a bull like him.
 
FLEH,

I think most of us can feel the pain and frustration you and your dad experienced on this hunt. I know I can. Know that you guys are not alone in that others have had similar experiences (as stated on this thread), as well as eaten tag soup in the same type of circumstance. I know that may not help you feel a whole lot better right now.

Your uncle's response is a great example of the right kind of attitude to have in trials such as this. I wish I had his perspective.

One more thing... the last statement of your thread is the eventual moral to this story. Coming from someone who lost his dad last year (all too soon IMO), enjoy the fact that you still have him to hunt with. That is what truly matters! Make the most of it, and be grateful for the opportunity.

Thanks for sharing this experience... for more reasons than one.

EG

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Keep shooting an elk till he dont move no more,hard lesson learned by many hunters.
 
And that's the unfortunate downside to hunting. However, like you said, and many above have said, you can't beat hunting in familiar country with family and friends to hang out with on the mountain and back in camp.


It's always an adventure!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-08-11 AT 09:41PM (MST)[p]Jason and kirk. I feel for you guys as I know you have waited for this hunt the whole summer. Also, I really have to agree with the last part of your story about sitting it a beautiful place the last evening of the hunt with your dad and knowing that those memories will always be there..
It was 43 years ago Friday that my dad left this earth, and I think of him always and I would give up anything I have to be able have that kind of a memory with my dad...Cherish it forever. My dad loved to hunt and I couldn't wait until I was old enough to get out and go hunting with him. Unfortunately the only hunt I got to experience when I could pack a gun, with him was one day of chukar hunting just after I turned 12. I can remember that day like it was yesterday. I didn't get to kill a bird, but I just remember him wanting me to be successful so bad. So after he was gone, I never had a dad to teach me how to hunt...I had to learn it on my own, but remembering him and seeing what being out and hunting meant to him, spurred me on, and I have been able to share many hunting memories with my children, and I owe it all to my dad. Feel blessed at your time you share with you dad and don't let the dissapointment of that hunt stop you from any time with your family....You have a great family and more hunts will come and more memories will be made..
Appreciate your friendship!
a*r
 
Later in the week Dad and I were sitting over a FANTASTIC view..as the sun went down..a place most people would kill to sit over and watch with their Dad....

You're spot on right here! I'd give Anything!!!

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Its amazing the difference and tone of the responses of an elk hit and lost on the rifle, and an elk hit and lost on the archery hunt.

Anyways, thats sucks that things did not go right. It is a beautiful bull for sure!
 
Interesting observation C_C.... and true.

I still wish it had not gone poorly for them but when an archer posts the same kind of story he's a slob?

Bad stuff happens to us all if we're out there enough whether gun or bow.

Still sorry for your pain and happy for your great familair memories!

Zeke
 
FIsh Lake. It happens to the best of us. Hearing you share the experience with your dad makes me long to have my dad back on the mountain with me. I only have memories of such outings that I try hard not to forget. Your story brought back some of those great memories. Thanks for sharing even if you didn't have the success you were looking for.

These dang elk are tough sob's. Its amazing what they can take, hopefully that elk will recover and live on.
 

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