Wasted Bull Elk....(pics)

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BLooDTRaCKeR

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To the Scum Bag(s) that enjoy wasting wildlife. Send me a private message so we can talk face to face. You were willing to hike all the way into this hell hole, shoot this bull just for his rack. I've turned it over to the F&G, if anyone knows any info on a bull shot behind the farmington radar towers, please contact the Fish and Game so we can get these clowns off the mountain. I'm sure this is not the first nor the last time this person(s) will do this. I'm beyond upset to see this type of crap. It robs the ethical sportsman of the opportunity to fill his tag the right way.
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Would be nice to catch the felons that did this...........what a waste!
 
How do you know a human killed it? Just cause the antlers are cut off? What CSI skills did you use to determine the cause of death?
 
Unreal and sickening.

Was this on the east side inside the CWMU or on public ground?

So disgraceful. GET A ROPE! We'll hang 'em and leave them just like this bull was left.
 
My unlce about 8 years ago shot a bull and it took a little over a day and a half to find it and by the time they did it was bloated. He took the horns and the backstraps and left the rest there. If someone came up on it I guarantee they would have thought it was poached.
I hope in this case if it turns out it wa poached they catch the tards for doing it!



It was a big bodied 2 point.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-26-11 AT 02:06PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Oct-26-11 AT 02:05?PM (MST)

unbelivable....when guys post these pics people start DEFENDING IT?????? are you kidding me........this is poaching period. no animal eats the horns first except porcupines.

if a hunting loser loses an animal and retrives the antlers and leaves the entire animal to rot they should be required to tag the animal .
 
If you look at a map you can quickly see that the back side is not all private! But it is some nasty shiz. I thought only pot farmers go in that country?
 
Sneak,

you're joking right? Maybe a beaver chewed them off and used them in a dam............. GMAFB

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"Life's tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid."

-John Wayne
 
No I'm not joking. Just cause the antlers are missing dosen't mean it was poached. How about this; Maybe someone shot it legally and couldn't find it, or maybe it was mortally wounded in a fight with another bull, maybe it was sick, maybe the hunter did find it a few days later and since the meat was bad he just cut the rack off and tagged the rack....(btw-if someone posted that story and titled it 'I found my bull', 90% of the people here would be congratulating the guy and saying what a great thing he did by sticking with it). All I'm asking is how does anyone know it was poached? If someone did find it and cut the rack off, they are going agaisnt what the F&G says is legal and is obviously 'highly unethical' (sarcasim). But in no way does that prove that person poached it or just shot it for the antlers.

So I'll ask again, how do you know it was killed by a human?
 
>No I'm not joking. Just cause
>the antlers are missing dosen't
>mean it was poached. How
>about this; Maybe someone shot
>it legally and couldn't find
>it, or maybe it was
>mortally wounded in a fight
>with another bull, maybe it
>was sick, maybe the hunter
>did find it a few
>days later and since the
>meat was bad he just
>cut the rack off and
>tagged the rack....(btw-if someone posted
>that story and titled it
>'I found my bull', 90%
>of the people here would
>be congratulating the guy and
>saying what a great thing
>he did by sticking with
>it). All I'm asking is
>how does anyone know it
>was poached? If someone did
>find it and cut the
>rack off, they are going
>agaisnt what the F&G says
>is legal and is obviously
>'highly unethical' (sarcasim). But in
>no way does that prove
>that person poached it or
>just shot it for the
>antlers.
>
>So I'll ask again, how do
>you know it was killed
>by a human?


Thank you! Thought the same thing. People will jump the gun just to whine on the internet. You know what they say about those who make assump.... Ah eff it.
 
+100 Sneakattack

Not a good post Sneak but a GREAT post.

Everyone wants to jump the gun and start making unjust accusations about something they know absolutely nothing about. I commend BlooDTRaCKeR for bringing it to the F&G for investigation but NOT to come to here and state that's it's poached just because he found it in the condition it is in. To Sneakattacks point, how many stories have you read on this sight alone about losing an animal and recovering it a few days even weeks later? Do you think they took the nasty meat? Did they take the antlers? In most cases the antlers were even tagged so how is it you're so knowledgeable Elk_Nuts?? Some of you should think before typing.

Blood, although I see your point in how sad a loss this is your post might have been better stated that you found this in this condition and turned it over to F&G. You might even have asked if anyone knew anything about it and then let the poaching chimers chime in rather than preface this with a poach that you can't prove unless you know more about this than you are stating??


GBA
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-27-11 AT 07:53AM (MST)[p]i would bet money that the people who don't suspect foul play are bow hunters ! if i had my way there wouldn't be any horn removal off a found animal unless it was taken to the game department and tagged. and then signed for. then when a guy is bringing in horns all the time, and wasting meat off the animals they wounded they can just suspend there liscence a few years until they learn to shoot and track. a wasted elk is a horrible thing not an " oh well "
 
Beavis, please change your name to Butthead, cause thats what you are acting like. I am archery hunter. Fact: archery hunters are able to think things through and make logical decisions. Fact: archery hunters don't 'jump the gun' and never 'shoot from the hip' like gun hunters (sorry bad joke).

BTW- as you are implying that only an archery hunters would make a bad shot and wound/loose game....I heard several stories just this week of this very thing from rifle hunters. "He was 657 yards, and I have a long-range scope, and fairly confident I could make the shot...he acted hit...all we found was some hair...oh, well" Another, "He was 730 yards...I couldn't see where I was hitting but I had to try". My point is, it goes boths ways Mr. etheical hunter guy. Please do leave every antler you find where you find them. It's the ethical thing to do.
 
>i would bet money that the
>people who don't suspect foul
>play are bow hunters !
>
Huh... most of the wasted elk I've found had a bullet in them...go figure...
 
beavis14, nice shot on the bow hunters, Im sure that shot was directed more at myself just because of my handle. I bet you wouldn't like it too much if I said you rifle hunters hunt with that method because you don't have the skill to get close to big game now would ya? FYI I have never lost a big game animal yet and I did say yet. I read on this sight all the time about the loss with ALL weapons. I don't think anybody is saying oh well either. I can't imagine the feeling of losing an animal even if it was a cow. That still doesn't give anyone any right to make unjustified claims because of a find like the one posted here. Your comment is out of line.

I do like your proposal, I assume you meant antlers not horns to be turned in? I think your onto something there. It should even go further in case it's a cow hunt and show gender. However I doubt F&G can afford more people to investigate each hunter unless you would like it to come out of your pocket in tag fees too?? I can just imagine how much meat might get wasted in the back of a truck while it's waiting in a long line to be looked at to be sure it's all there. Good luck with that.

GBA
 
I have a few questions to the OP. Did you notice or see any blood or drag marks in the dirt? Was there an apparent bullet hole? Exit or entry? By the looks of the carcass, the bull was fairly fresh. No animals had eatin it yet and had either went through the bloat process or hadn't bloated completely yet. Any sign of malnutrition? Was the bull thin? Did you get a look at his teeth? I recently found a cow elk with really bad teeth that looked to have died of an infection ie: an absesed tooth.
Just trying to get an idea of what may have happened. I really hope who ever took the antlers didn't just poach it.
 
Bow hunter or rifle hunter, shot and recovered later or just shot for the antlers, Yes there are plenty of avenues for these assumptions to go.

Some more info...To get out of that hell hole, you climb roughly 1000 vertical feet and you climb it fast! It is straight up from the bottom of this particular bowl. I have heard this bull weeks before from the top bugling down there. They have been in that bowl for quite a while. This particular day that I found the bull, his cows were less than 500 yards away bedded in some quakies. It is not a big area in the bottom of this bowl. The bull was laying in an area where it is easy to see from a distance. When the GPS position was handed over to the F&G, They informed me later that those same coordinates matched up to another call they got from the previous day. It has been turned in twice that I know of.

The bulls shoulder was definately busted up. I did not disturb the carcass to see how or why it was ruined. I did what we all should do and that is turn it over to the F&G and let them determin what happened.

Since becomming a member of this forum, I have learned to pack a camera,cell phone and a gps on all hunting/camping adventures.

Hopefully we as sportsmen will poilice our hunting spots in this same way and turn in any and all suspicious finds or behavior from individual(s) we encounter.
 
I can tell you right now there isn't a chance in h3ll any DWR is going to hike down there to investigate if it is as steep as you say.
 
> I did what we
>all should do and that
>is turn it over to
>the F&G and let them
>determin what happened.
>

Huh? That is NOT what you did. You used the word "poached", therefore you DID NOT let them determine what happened. You came to your own conclusion.

The dumb azz comments about bow hunters is BS!

Are we as hunters really going to fight with each other? Shouldn't our fight be to Conserve the things we love to see and do while so many people are trying to take them away from us?

Use your head.
 
1FastGambler,

Who are you quoting???
If it is me, then you should change your user name to 1FAST RAMBLER. Read and think before you post....I never used the word "poached".

Regardless of how you look at it, it is still a wasted animal.
 
I could only read about half the posts before posting...

The best sign that the elk was poached is the simple fact that, if a hunter came across the dead animal, the only legal way to claim the antlers is to report it to the F&G first, let them do their thing, then they may send them to you... The fact that that did not occur is the biggest red flag that the bull was poached. Anybody who wouldn't report it is a fool...

The only other scenario is that it was killed legally with a rifle, then not found for several days, and the meat was spoiled. I'm sure that individual would have punched their tag... Though unlikely, it is possible...

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
R657-5-18. Transporting Big Game Within Utah.
(1) A person may transport big game within Utah only as follows:
(a) the head or sex organs must remain attached to the largest portion of the carcass;
(b) the antlers attached to the skull plate must be transported with the carcass of an elk taken in a spike bull unit; and
(c) the person who harvested the big game animal must accompany the carcass and must possess a valid permit corresponding to the tag attached to the carcass, except as provided in Subsection (2).
(2) A person who did not take the big game animal may transport it only after obtaining a shipping permit or disposal receipt from the division or a donation slip as provided in Section 23-20-9.



-Cass
 

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