Poacher Slapped

S

sneak

Guest
Just read this in a Colorado newspaper and my blood is boiling (excerpt at the bottom). Anyone who cares about our wildlife resource needs to send a letter to the CDOW and this judge and tell them to take poaching seriously and stop plea bargaining charges down to nothing.

This guy deliberately smoked a locally-well-known monster mule deer with double drop-tines like you've rarely seen--he did it on Thanksgiving Day when he knew the rigs were shut down and local ranchers were home with their families. He even admitted doing it. Then the DA and the judge basically let him off all but one hook, and now they're using language that indicates they'll even go light on the sentencing as well. UNBELIEVABLE! We may as well post up a banner welcoming poachers to Colorado and tell them to have at it--we don't care.

The most aggravating part is that the DOW'S spin on this is that they are happy with the outcome!! How can anyone be happy about losing a trophy mule from the gene pool to an illegal poacher who got all but one charge dropped and who may never do a day of jail time or pay more than $1000 for the offense? They even dropped the Samson Law charge, which was specifically designed for this very scenario. Why have laws at all if the courts won't even uphold them?

DOES THIS PISS ANYONE ELSE OFF?!?

February 2, 2007

GLENWOOD SPRINGS, Colo. ? A drill rig worker pleaded guilty Thursday in 9th District Court to a felony charge for poaching a trophy deer last Thanksgiving. Joseph Chapman, of Provo, Utah, accepted a plea bargain - a plea of guilty in exchange for a reduced charge - from the District Attorney's office that decreased the severity of the charge to a class six felony, willful destruction of wildlife.

His attorney, public defender Garth McCarty, said the agreement with the DA would also mean a sentence of probation for Chapman "and no further jail time."

The amended charge carries a sentencing range of one year to 18 months in prison and a fine of $1,000 to $100,000.

Also as part of the plea bargain, a "Samson" surcharge or additional fine of $10,000 for killing a trophy big game animal was dropped. Samson was a trophy elk that was illegally killed in the Estes Park area in 1996.

After accepting Chapman's plea, Judge Denise Lynch said, "The court is not bound by this (agreement)," and questioned Chapman closely to determine whether he understood the agreement was not binding.

Chapman was originally charged with hunting out of season, illegal possession of wildlife and transportation and exportation of wildlife, all misdemeanors. Those charges were dropped.

According to an arrest affidavit filed by the Colorado Division of Wildlife (DOW) officer J.T. Romatzke, he received a tip that Chapman had shot a buck frequently seen near the rig he was working on seven miles north of Parachute on Garfield County Road 215.

"With the felony charge we have the ability to hold a hearing and determine what period of time Mr. Chapman's hunting license will be suspended," said DOW spokesman Randy Hampton. "It could run for one year or it could be for the rest of his life and apply in 24 other states."

The felony charge mandates 20 points on Chapman's hunting license "which triggers the administrative hearing process," Hampton said.

DOW was pleased with the plea bargain, he said.

"We were very much in the loop with the DA's office" while the agreement was being forged. Although the Samson fine was dropped, "in reality he pled to something where the fine (could be) more than that," Hampton said. "Our goal was to make sure to get the felony, which would make sure Mr. Chapman won't be hunting for a while."
 
I don't want to sound like I'm defending him but a "felony" conviction is not small potatoes.

JB
 
Doesn't sound like a slap to me. A felony is a serious charge. Sounds like he is looking at loosing his hunting privileges for quite a few years. And not just in Colorado. The only problem I see, is that he is just the one that got caught. What about all those Thousands that get away with it.

I urge All of you out there in MM land.

Do not tolerate poaching of any kind!!!

Do not buy a tag for your kid or wife and then you fill it. That is poaching.

Do not shoot "camp meat", that is poaching.

If one of your buddy's, or family members poaches an animal, turn them in.

Don't take "Brush shots"

I hate poachers and will not tolerate them in my camp.
 
Since when did not having a hunting permit ever stop a poacher? Stupid! Jail time (unsuspended) would send a message! A felony conviction should have a lifetime suspension of his right to possess a firearm, so only archery equipment for him to poach with in the future.
 
Nobody has pointed it out yet---so I will.

Are we surprised this guy is from UTAH?

Just thought I would stir the pot a little.
No offense intended.

I think some serious jail time would deter people from committing this crime a whole lot more than a felony conviction and a fine. Lock em up!
 
I think we need to wait until the guy is sentenced before we say whether the punishment was harsh or not. What can you base your decision on at this point?
 
Cdow along with many other state divsion offices pick and choose who they nail to the wall and who walks. I have had close friends nailed to the wall for ticky tacky violations while blatant poachers got a slap on the wrist. ##### like this happens all the time and it is a joke.
 
"Since when did not having a hunting permit ever stop a poacher?"

UGAhunter, I would have to agree with you however, since when did not having a right to posses a firearm keep people from actually possesing one? Unfortunatly someone with the propensity to break the law will not be detured by the simple threat of a monetary judgement, or an insignificant amount of jail time. We all hear about people being arrested after killing someone while they were under the influence, only to find that its their 3rd, 4th, 5th DUI conviction. Our jails are full of multi offense convicts, most of which will be let loose again at some point in time, and statistics show that most will offend again. My point being, certain people are going to commit crimes regardless the punishments or consequences. Short of a vigilante justice, where we can put a .338 round in their ass when we catch them, I really don't see a viable solution to the problem. Is it dis-heartening? yes, does it piss me, you and every other honest, hard working and ethical hunter off? of course, but you have to pick the battles you can win, and try and find a place of mental balance for the ones you can do nothing about. If you let it eat at you, you will be no good for anyone when the time comes to act.....................rf
 
cdclub, wow! You had to dig a ways to find that one! How about one this decade?

BTW: Wouldn't surprise me at all if you found one on every state, but I am glad they caught the utard.
 
Unbelievable, no one bashed the hunters from Kalifornicated. What about a Lacey Act violation? Does anyone have more info on this buck or even pictures of the double dropper?
 
"Dig a ways"? Naw, that was just the stupidest one.....

Yep, we ALL have "tards" and I'm dam glad they caught him too!!! Sounds like a hell of buck, are there any pics?
 
Huh, a "A drill rig worker. . . " naaa, cant be related to roads and drilling, no way. . .
 
Ridge:

I do have some pics of this buck alive and on-the-hoof from about a week prior to the poaching incident. Never posted a pic before, so not sure how to do it. If someone can walk me through, I'd like to learn how and share some other stuff too.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-07 AT 09:00AM (MST)[p]I am glad the authorities are getting a felony on this guy. I remember reading about this just after it happened.

I know it sounds as if they are taking it easy on him, but a felony is serious. One thing though, the Judge said the plea is not binding upon her. That is a judge signaling more likely that she is going to go harsher on him than light.

But, if you want to assure this dude smokes, write the Judge. A few well worded letters will go a long ways.

Judge Denise Lynch
Garfield County Courthouse
109 - 8th Street, Suite 104
Glenwood Springs, Colorado 81601
FAX (970) 945-8756
 
This is the best picture that i have of him. I guess his headgear was not big enough to collect $10,000.00 that could be put towards preventing this from happening again. My kids could'nt wait for the next weekend to come so we could go look at the "drop tine buck". We spent many hours looking for and admiring such an impressive animal. After he was poached I had a hard time explaning to them as to why they would not be able to see him again.

I believe that there are some other pictures out there that are a little bit better than this one.

45ce1b10271745fa.jpg

45ce1dbe3cc96f13.jpg
 
Ill tell you what, it does bother me to read things like this. Im a law enforcement officer and enjoy hunting. I think the problem is the whole damn system. I see it every time I make an arrest. The DA's always plea things down. You can have a guy that committed three to four felonies and the DA will only give them probation. The DA's do this to clear their court calenders and so they dont have to go to courtroom trials with a jury. sometimes you arrest an individual and he is back on the streets committing crimes before the DA even looks at the case. ITS REALLY JUST ONE BIG JOKE. I can honestly say that DOW Crimes are more out to get monetary rewards then anything. I mean yeah people think more about what they do when they are hit with a fine and money is coming out of their pocket, but lets be honest if people dont have that kind of money how are they going to pay for it? I say put everyone who commits crimes in prison. I say build more prison and house those that cant folow the laws of our land. We need to take away peoples freedom that prey on other people. The way I see it a poacher is taking away our freedom to harvest a trophy animal, i say take away his freedom and put him behind bars. Take away his dreams like he is taking away ours or our childrens dreams. Poachers need to be dealt with much harsher than they have been, or else nothing is ever going to stop. I mean we have never rid idiots from breaking the law, but atleast maybe if the punishments were stricter they would actually think.
 
As a law enforcement officer, it must be very confusing and frustrating to see the same people committing crimes over and over again. Don't think your hard work and dedication goes un-noticed or un-appreciated.

On another note you wrote; "but atleast maybe if the punishments were stricter they would actually think."

These poachers are doing just that. Take for instance this case right here. The accused poacher went so far as to plan his act on Thanksgiving, knowing the rigs would be down and the local ranchers would not be anywhere around. He clearly knew this was illegal and I'm betting he weighed the consiquences in his head before pulling the trigger. No, I beleive they are all thinking. I do agree with you that the punishment needs to be more severe, maybe then, as you said, they may decide its not worth it. I would like to see the amputation of their trigger fingers for first time offenders. If they are convicted and found to have poached more than one animal, nothing short of the entire hand would satisfy me. Make the punishment fit the crime and I beleive it wouldn't be much of an issue anymore............rf
 
You know it at first I used to wonder why oh why are we arresting the same person over no over again, but then I realized that some people are just career criminals. I mean crime is all they know or understand. They dont think ike you and me, they dont go out and working a regular job, al they care about is the quick dollar they can get for a stolen car stereo so they can get their twenty dollars worth of drugs. Thats it, some people just simply know how to work the system and deal with it. I guess they figure that they if they only get caught once every lets say five times then the are ahead of the game, but again its all on the D.A's of the counties. If your county D.A. does not like to go to jury trials on cases then he is going to plea the case down. Hers an example, last night in the small town I work in, we had two career criminals attempt to rob a local restaurant. These two idiots were waiting in the store room when a waitres happened to see them in there. One of these guys has a gun and points it at the waitress. The store owner sees this runs towad the storeroom and tries to close the door. The bad guy with the gun reaches outside of the door and shoots the store owner in the chest. Two gus flea and later are caught, gun found, owner in stable condition. So we charge these guys with attempted murder. You would think that this would be a good case to send to people that cant function in society to prison where they belong right??? Well this is only my opinion, but Im thinking the D.A. will drop the attempted murder charge down to either assault with a firearm or reckless discharge of a firearm. So after they do this the two guys will probably work some deal that they do only 30 days in jail and get probation. Now understand that NONE OF THIS HAS HAPPENED AND THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, but this is a scenario that could happen. Kind of Sad dont you think. These two rejects of society almost take the innocent life of another human being and they could get off pretty light. You see D.A.s get elected on their conviction ratings in court. So if a D.A. says that he has 100% conviction rating, but has only done five jury trials he is a DA that doesnt like to go into the courtroom and put people in prison, he likes the plea bargains. I mean he isnt lieing to you, for he may have won all of his five cases, but it is also a misrepresentation with words.

I know I wrote "maybe they would think" I was trying to say that maybe they would think about the consequences before. I like your idea of the trigger finger, that would get some peoples attention. I also agree that stricter punishments will make people maybe stop killing animals illegally. But again its the system, I know this idiot pled to a felony and yes that will mean he wont be able to hunt or own any weapons (depending on state laws in colorado), but really what has he learned probabely not a thing.
 
Poachers do their thing because they believe they won't be caught. We know for a fact that in the majority of cases, they're right about that.
 

Click-a-Pic ... Details & Bigger Photos
Back
Top Bottom