Wolf Attack!
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deerhuntr4885
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Cool pics...Where did this happen? Any details?
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huntsonora
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-12-07 AT 10:46PM (MST)[p]DAMN! Thats incredible! That would be a LONG walk out in the dark! Almost like somebody yelling that there is a great white shark in the water and you still have a long way to paddle
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manny15
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Gee's why would anybody in their right mind want wolf's in our forest again, lets see Mt Lions, Coyote's, Grizz and now wolfs...
Many people would look at these pics and say that is part of life and death in the wild......Maybe in Alaska,But in the lower 48 its a different world, I have friends in Pinedale and Big Piney who witness this very thing all to often,Amazing how fast a pack can take a healthy moose down in 12" of snow, Hard to look at but it is happening all the time in Wyo and Idaho......
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A couple weeks ago I was watching a T.V program about a hermit up in Alaska from back in the 70's, he came across a moose carcass (Wolf kill) it was clear they killed it for the fun, the guy made a statement " I just found an animal I don't like...the wolf...
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bobcatbess
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WHATEVER WEAPON I WOULD OF HAD WOULD OF BEEN IN USE!!!
BUT THEN AGAIN I CAN'T FIX ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD!!!
THEM WOLVES ARE RAISING HELL WITH THE MOOSE POPULATION!!!
BUT I GUESS THEM WOLF LUVIN GRANOLA CRUNCHIN HIPPIES ARE HAPPY???
THE ONLY bobcat THATS NEVER SEEN A "LIVE" WOLF IN UTAH!!!
BUT THEN AGAIN I CAN'T FIX ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD!!!
THEM WOLVES ARE RAISING HELL WITH THE MOOSE POPULATION!!!
BUT I GUESS THEM WOLF LUVIN GRANOLA CRUNCHIN HIPPIES ARE HAPPY???
THE ONLY bobcat THATS NEVER SEEN A "LIVE" WOLF IN UTAH!!!
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bigole5
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This scene will be more and more common as time goes on. Just looking at those pics make my trigger finger itch. I'm with Bobcat on this one. Had i had anything i would have used it and then would have gotten real comfy in that tree.
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studpile
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Very intense...I can't imagine being the photographer.
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old_man_of_the_hills
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In that third pic, you could have gotten about 4 or 5 with one shot, now that's what I call a wise use of ammunition!
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150fighter
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Full story here guys, that would have been cool to see!
http://www.isleroyalewolf.org/photo_ess/pe_EP_kills_moose.htm
http://www.isleroyalewolf.org/photo_ess/pe_EP_kills_moose.htm
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bobcatbess
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I WOULD'OF LIKED TO BEEN THERE WITH MY RUGER & MY 100 ROUND CLIP!!!
THE ONLY bobcat!!!
THE ONLY bobcat!!!
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bullcalf
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Hate to be a raging environmentalist but ecosystems and animals inhabiting those systems co-evolved over many thousands of years. When you remove one component you throw everything out of balance. The idea that you could remove a key predator and replace it with a sportsman with a rifle is missing the point. I have heard about a study about the crash of the Yellowstone ecosystem and that it was tied to the elimination of wolves. You take out wolves and then you get either too many herbavores or you get herbavores that don't move around and use all of the habitat and instead hammer away on the riparian areas. When this happens pretty soon everything unravels and carrying capacity for most species crashes. Even with hunting by humans, focus on trophy animals is different than a pack of wolves seeking out the aged or infirm.
There are a lot of things to be argued on this but simplistic answers driven by self-interest are not going to ensure that our children and grandchildren will have an opportunity to enjoy the natures that surround us.
There are a lot of things to be argued on this but simplistic answers driven by self-interest are not going to ensure that our children and grandchildren will have an opportunity to enjoy the natures that surround us.
So you boys are going to take some images from the Lake Superior and then argue your agenda in your corner of the world based off of them????? Hate to tell ya but wolves have been killing moose for a long long time now. That scene is played out daily again and again and again. If wolves didn't kill, they would starve. Those images are truly awesome in my opinion. That is brutal nature at it's best. I personally am glad I live where true wilderness thrives. Where I can lay awake under the stars and have shivers go down my spine as I listen to a wolf howl and where I can wake up in the morning and see a grizz on the same highcountry slide as a 180 class muley.
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BC' you can't compare the lower 48 to up there, we have more people with less game then Canada, thats why wolfs in the lower 48 are a sore subject.
Wolf have been know to kill for the fun also...just my two cents...
Wolf have been know to kill for the fun also...just my two cents...
We did eliminate wolves from ecosystems in the lower 48 upon settlement. I'm not saying there is any room for the wolf in the lower 48, especially under the protected status they are currently under. Giving states the ability to manage wolves (and griz) in ways that are in keeping with current conditions will be a step in the right direction (i.e.: predator status). Wolves need many, many miles to roam, and we don't have that kind of country(anymore) in most places where wolves currently exist, IMO.
"THIS PICTURE PISSES ME OFF!"
Why? These wolves are doing what God intended them to do. Do you think that they eat grass or something? They are a predator. They eat meat. Just like us. Like I said, many of you are using these pics and you are putting your own local spin on it when in fact these pic come from a total different world than you guys can even imagine, where the predator/prey relationship has remained intact for eons. I never said anything about your situation in my comments. Just said I'm glad I live where I do is all. Don't be like the Liberal media and take something that is not remotely related to your situation, and somehow make it related. These pics are amazing. They should in no way piss people off. This is nature at it's best.
Why? These wolves are doing what God intended them to do. Do you think that they eat grass or something? They are a predator. They eat meat. Just like us. Like I said, many of you are using these pics and you are putting your own local spin on it when in fact these pic come from a total different world than you guys can even imagine, where the predator/prey relationship has remained intact for eons. I never said anything about your situation in my comments. Just said I'm glad I live where I do is all. Don't be like the Liberal media and take something that is not remotely related to your situation, and somehow make it related. These pics are amazing. They should in no way piss people off. This is nature at it's best.
BCBOY, I see where you are coming from and I am jealous of where you live. A lot of these guys, I'd would bet, can see where you are coming from as well. I think a lot of us here in the lower 48 are a little perturbed when looking at that picture, not necessarily because are mad at the wolves, but because we are sad that, due to the current protected status of the wolf down here, we are powerless to protect the well-being of dwindling moose populations in some areas, as well as deer and elk. Likewise, the livelihood of many people in certain areas is affected by the overabundance of wolves. If we had ways (hunting) to address wolves, and to help our deer and elk and moose, then we'd be a happier bunch!
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Try finding a moose in Yellowstone Park. Good luck, because there are no moose left in the park. Same story for deer and sheep.
I worry that as the wolf expands his territory, hunters are going to loose hunting opportunities. It has already happened. Ironic that Fish and Game or FWP will be managing the wolf soon and these departments are funded by our hunting licenses.
Is this not the greatest Anti-Hunting Campaign ever dreamed up?
I worry that as the wolf expands his territory, hunters are going to loose hunting opportunities. It has already happened. Ironic that Fish and Game or FWP will be managing the wolf soon and these departments are funded by our hunting licenses.
Is this not the greatest Anti-Hunting Campaign ever dreamed up?
THE PICS PISS ME OFF AS WELL. Not because the wolves are being wolves. But because these pictures epitomize the duplicity of the interests that introduced Canadian wolves in the lower 48. The savagery of these animals is as nature intended. Its "natural". However, if a hunter had downed that moose with a well placed shot, that's barbaric. Further, many groups support wolve populations specifically because the wolves survive on the game herds nurtured and managed with sportsman dollars. Better some critters be eviscerated than provide opportunity for sportsmen.
Yeah, pisses me off.
Yeah, pisses me off.
nontypical
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You hit the nail on the head,Pre64.Wolves have never been eliminated from Wyo.The wolves we had before were not Canadian Gray wolves.They did not hunt in packs like Canadian Gray wolves.Elk herds are like a buffet for them,as are cattle and sheep herds.Yes,they are decimating big game in the lower 48.The governors from Idaho and Wyoming have both pleaded with the feds to kill wolves in certain areas to protect big game herds.Of course,they won't do such a thing.My problem doesn't lie with the wolf.They are only doing what they do.The bureaucratic bull**** is what really PISSES ME OFF!!
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I agree nontypical,
this has MUCH more to do with politics than biology.. That is a large part of the reason Wyoming "doesn't play well with others."
Ego gets in the way, then you bring in the "F" word, and everyone starts crying about EVERYTHING the feds are or are not doing..
Ha,ha!!! I love this subject though, it makes me laugh! (even as the deer,elk, and moose herds ALL begin to disappear, all because of a "super" wolf.. ! ha!)
this has MUCH more to do with politics than biology.. That is a large part of the reason Wyoming "doesn't play well with others."
Ego gets in the way, then you bring in the "F" word, and everyone starts crying about EVERYTHING the feds are or are not doing..
Ha,ha!!! I love this subject though, it makes me laugh! (even as the deer,elk, and moose herds ALL begin to disappear, all because of a "super" wolf.. ! ha!)
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I think if everyone on this forum where as much in tune with the "outdoors" as they claim that they they would see the beauty in being able to witness something like these pics. The problem is is that most people on this site like the "outdoors" so they can go kill a trophy game animal, sadly thats what most people are here for. There is no love of nature, its just the means to pursue a sport. They see wolves as threatening THERE animal. TAKING from them, wolves were here long before us, fact is that they are a part of natures cycle and we as hunters won't ever replace them. Now I am in agreement that wolves should be managed and some tags will probably be given out so someone can get there "rocks off by killing a big bad wolf" but I think they are a vital part of the system, I hope that there can be a balance with hunters, ranchers, and wolves. Sadly I don't know if it will ever come.
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Wolves are part of natures cycle, and part of the natural ecosystem, but unfortunately, we don't have the habitat to support this type of preditor. I do love nature, and not just becasue I can hunt it. I love to take my family in the outdoors and show them nature. We've went on many outings and we've seen beutiful elk and listend to them bugle. Do you know how much fun that is to share with your wife and kids? We've seen awsome buck deer, antilpoe, turkeys, grouse, etc.
No one in my family besides me, have seen a cougar, bear, or bobcat, in the outdoors. None of them have enjoyed seeing one of these preditors. Not becasue they are not there, but because they are very good at not being seen. Not much for the average person to enjoy as far as wolves go.
Someone earlier mentioned the change in the ecosystem in Yellowstone. Did the ecosystem outside of Yellowstone change? No, because wild life outside of Yellowstone is being managed through hunting. How fun is it going to be to take your family to Yellowstone and see no animals. It's not a lot different that the people who would like to drain Lake Powell. How many people would get to enjoy the beatiful rocks and canyons if that were to happen? Today hundreds of thousands get to ejoy the beauty of the area including grandparents, parents, little chilren etc.
Yes, I do have a selfish motive, I do want healthy heards of deer and elk to hunt, but I also want wildlife for me and my family to view and enjoy together.
I don't want Wolves back in the state of Utah or in the lower 48 for that matter. I can see cyotees, they're just a little wolf. The last wolf in Utah was taken off the Escalante Desert by a man named Sears Willis, and last I knew it was on display at the state capital. If I were in that tree stand and armed, I would have done my part to help that moose live to see another day. Do you think that men have not always been a part of a natural ecosystem? I guarentee our ancestors did their part in controlling wolf populations, and that was during a time when there was adiquate habitat. That habitat no longer exists, we now have to take an active role in management. If we don't take an active role in manageing wolves, then many of the things I and many others on this site enjoy the most are going to be nothing more than good memories.
Dub
No one in my family besides me, have seen a cougar, bear, or bobcat, in the outdoors. None of them have enjoyed seeing one of these preditors. Not becasue they are not there, but because they are very good at not being seen. Not much for the average person to enjoy as far as wolves go.
Someone earlier mentioned the change in the ecosystem in Yellowstone. Did the ecosystem outside of Yellowstone change? No, because wild life outside of Yellowstone is being managed through hunting. How fun is it going to be to take your family to Yellowstone and see no animals. It's not a lot different that the people who would like to drain Lake Powell. How many people would get to enjoy the beatiful rocks and canyons if that were to happen? Today hundreds of thousands get to ejoy the beauty of the area including grandparents, parents, little chilren etc.
Yes, I do have a selfish motive, I do want healthy heards of deer and elk to hunt, but I also want wildlife for me and my family to view and enjoy together.
I don't want Wolves back in the state of Utah or in the lower 48 for that matter. I can see cyotees, they're just a little wolf. The last wolf in Utah was taken off the Escalante Desert by a man named Sears Willis, and last I knew it was on display at the state capital. If I were in that tree stand and armed, I would have done my part to help that moose live to see another day. Do you think that men have not always been a part of a natural ecosystem? I guarentee our ancestors did their part in controlling wolf populations, and that was during a time when there was adiquate habitat. That habitat no longer exists, we now have to take an active role in management. If we don't take an active role in manageing wolves, then many of the things I and many others on this site enjoy the most are going to be nothing more than good memories.
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wideone
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uhhh,
was it a tree stand, or just shots taken from a helicopter which they used frequently on that study??
was it a tree stand, or just shots taken from a helicopter which they used frequently on that study??
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Muleylover!Are you on the right site?Sierra Club is just down the road!Just kidding(kinda).Everyone on this site gets their "rocks off" by killing stuff.Whether it's the "big,bad wolf" or "old mossyhorns".I don't know if you were demeaning those who would want to legally shoot a wolf,but that's sure what it sounded like to me!Everyone hunts for different reasons.Whether you agree with them or not,we are a fraternity as hunters,and need to stick together.Wolves have(and will continue to)wiped out entire elk feedgrounds in Wyo.This news rarely makes the bigger papers-only the local rags seem to carry this news.When a large predator is introduced into game-rich country,the big losers are the game and us hunters.
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Those pics have to be from a chopper. There is no hunting on the Island, and I can't imagine someone putting a stand right on that exact spot and waiting for a Moose kill.
Those pics are awesome. I understand all the views in regards to management. I think my greatest concern would be how this is going to affect those of us in the field. In the areas where wolves are present. This would be an outrage, if it was a hunter being attacked, or a camper, hiker, mountain biker, etc. I think you guys get the point. Yes we as hunters can arm ourselves. Maybe we stand a fighting chance, with weapon in hand. Just think though, about being in a wilderness area guided or unguided and your party is being stalked by these awesome predators. It might be as god intended but I can see where some are concerned. As for livestock and ranchers and all that. Those are different issues. I think they should keep their cattle out of the forest. I think they compete with out game pursuits, domestic sheep eat everything in sight. Don't get me started on that. I am sure I would burn up some who are ranchers and don't mean to insult anyone. As for killing a protected animal I wouldn't think of it. It sounds like poaching to me. If it was attacking a person, it would be justified to shoot. Game animals are their natural source of food.
