685 yd head shot

LAST EDITED ON Mar-09-12 AT 02:08PM (MST)[p]Amazing--NO! Lucky that it wasn't a cripple with wind like that and someone not knowing that shot shouldn't have been taken under those conditions at that distance. Looks like another person has been watching too much of "Best of the West"!
 
The only thing that bugged me was the length of the video. Awesome bull! Love those black horns. tell him nice fricken shot.
 
That shot was terrible. If your shooter was aiming for the vitals he missed his mark by at least four minutes of angle.Four minutes is a big miss. looks like you guys better burn some more powder before trying anymore shots like this and I sure as hell wouldn't be bragging about it on the net.

By the way I am a long range shooter that knows my limits i have numerous long range kills further that luck shot of yours. I know what I can do and I feel you owe it to the animal to not over step your boundries and shoot with in your limits. Shots like that are totally reasonable with the right equipment and knowledge.missing your point of aim to that degree your damn lucky you didn't hit him in the lower leg.
unbeilievable!
 
Great shot on an awesome bull!!! Don't listen to all the jack wagons there just jealous !!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-09-12 AT 09:10PM (MST)[p]I think the poster who used the term "jack wagons" IS one, as is the post following his that made an absolutely stupid statement about lead flying. Come on guys! A 685 yard head shot when the guy was probably aiming for the heart/lung area means a miss of the vitals by 3 to 4 friggin feet!!! I hate anybody using the term ethical, but that shot was as far from it as can be and then they post it out on the internet as an "amazing" shot, LOL! No wonder we are being attacked by the antis when guys fuel the fire with crap like that! Anybody that condones shooting at an animal at ANY distance when the shooter can't keep the bullet within a few inches of point of aim needs to take up knitting!!!
 
He did kill it. It is a great bull and that is a long shot. Congrats to Darwin. Heck of an experience.

I do have just a couple of questions -

#1 - Where exactly was he aiming?

#2 - Was it totally impossible to stalk in to a closer distance?

#3 - Why did you edit in the 15 or so seconds of music right before the shot when you hadn't used any music prior to that (or after it - for that matter)?



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Topgun, as far as we know the guy could shoot dime size groups at that range, but maybe buck fever or gusting winds or who knows what could have happened. I feel he must have practiced at that range and felt comfortable with the shot or he would not have taken it. Have you ever missed something you was shooting at? Be it a elk, coyote, duck, rabbit, pop can ect?
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-12 AT 08:28AM (MST)[p]kateraxl (67 posts)
Mar-09-12, 09:37 PM (MST)
13. "RE: 685 yd head shot"
He killed it didn't he????


Dumb question! Sure he killed it and a few inches either way would have been a wounded animal. Maybe the guy could shoot good groups on a calm day on a paper target. Who knows!However, IMHO if you look at that video with the wind and quartering to angle lessening the size of the area he should have been aiming at, there is no way ANYBODY, including John Porter, John Burns, or any of the other so-called experts should have taken that shot! Sure people miss for various reasons, but you don't compound your chances of that by doing what he did in those conditions. As big as a bull elk is, I will stand by my statement that if he missed that bull by 4 feet from the heart/lung and hit it in the head like that he shouldn't have been shooting. This video is a perfect example of exactly why I don't like these TV shows showing long range shooting because there are folks just like that video proved that will go out and attempt things that even the experts wouldn't do on a given day. In case you haven't noticed, the OP has never said where the guy was aiming and you can bet your azz it wasn't for it's head!!! If he did come back and say the guy hit right where he was aiming, then everybody better call BS!!!

hangfire (330 posts)
Mar-09-12, 09:54 PM (MST)
15. "RE: 685 yd head shot"
Have you ever missed something you was shooting at?

Answer---Not by 4', LOL!!!
 
+ 1 Topgun! and I'm with the rest of you on this one!....Hitting an animal in the head at that distance is pure Luck, and nothing more! I would leave it at that!....and one more point, I never heard anyone in the video call a head shot before the trigger was pulled...Poor judgement resulting in a lucky shot!...and I don't think I would be posting this video for all to see!

The most remarkable part of the video was being able to find a decent bull on the North Cache!

KP
 
Top gun agreed!!! I was just bein a DW and for that i apologize. I'm just saying maybe he was aiming for the head???
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-12 AT 01:56PM (MST)[p]Actually in this case it was a good thing that he got the head or it would have been one heck of a mess trying to do a followup on that bull when they were 700 yards from him. It actually looked to me like he hit the bull in the neck/spine when I stopped the video at POI. Anyway, I joined the LRH website some time ago and have really tried to keep an open mind on this long range shooting even though I don't think it is nearly the challenge of stalking in a lot closer, which minimizes the chances for a booboo. One who practices year around like you mentioned you do in an email to me after you shot that big CO buck and knows when he can and can't, or shouldn't, take a shot like that is one thing. One who just buys that equipment, zeros it at 200 and thinks all they need to do is dial up and blast away at an animal at 1000 with no wind doping equipment/skills/practice is another whole story! I don't know whether people caught it in the video, but right at the end they mentioned the guy had borrowed the rifle he used to shoot that bull, although they said he had practiced with it. I really wonder how much practice and at what ranges that practice was done at before attempting that shot!
 
He**, I knew that was coming as soon as I saw you made the post before I even read the body of it, LOL!!!
 
>I'm with TOPGUN on this one.
>He should have left the crew behind and gone in there after him. Good cover,conditions and he was not being pressured.Unless he wore the blue poncho,he could have gotten inside 400 yrds.Pure luck,IMHO.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-11-12 AT 09:32AM (MST)[p]>I'm with TOPGUN on this one.
>

He should have left the crew and the blue poncho behind and gone in there after him. Good cover,conditions,and he was in same place as before.Easily could have gotten inside 400 yrds for a decent shot,not a pure luck shot IMHO. Sorry for the ddbl post
 
We can sit here and talk all we want about 2in here or there but it doesnt matter, he killed the bull. Dont hammer oon the guy he made the shot. Would I shoot that distance, not in a million years. I have never practiced that long of a shot. There are people out there that can and do. This guy did so let him have his glory, one shot one kill. We cant talk 2in here or there cause that bull is dead first shot period.
 
>We can sit here and talk
>all we want about 2in
>here or there but it
>doesnt matter, he killed the
>bull. Dont hammer oon the
>guy he made the shot.
>Would I shoot that distance,
>not in a million years.
>I have never practiced that
>long of a shot. There
>are people out there that
>can and do. This guy
>did so let him have
>his glory, one shot one
>kill. We cant talk 2in
>here or there cause that
>bull is dead first shot
>period.


Would we be watching this video if it wasn't dead? Didn't think so. How many elk took one in the ass before this one hit the dirt? We will never see those clips.
 
We can assume all we want but you and I dont know of any other animals that got wounded. We have all done things that others wouldnt do. Does that make us wrong. When it comes to hunting most people will say congrats on a kill and then say that isnt how I would have done it. We dont have any evidence that this guy wounded any other animals. Yet you doubt him and automatically assume that he has. You are right we wouldnt be watching it if he missed it. He didnt miss it so dont assume that he wounded others before this one hit the dirt. I hope people dont judge everyone the same as you judge this guy.
 
It was a great shot if you compare it to the shooting in your related video "Absolutely Amazing Shot"...


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
>galvanized---The guy didn't miss by a
>couple inches. He missed
>the vitals by 3 to
>4 feet! Big difference
>there buddy! The
>OP came on the other
>thread a short time ago
>admitting that the guy flubbed
>the shot and it ended
>up well. Then he
>came right back and stated
>he has decided he wouldn't
>show the video of the
>head shot his Dad made
>INTENTIONALLY at 800+ yards.
>Are you kidding me?
>You should be able to
>come up with the same
>conclusions I made after reading
>that response! Can you
>say D***A**!!!


+++ 1
 
My bad I didnt read the whole thread. I made a mistake of not having the whole story. I apolagize to those I may have offended.
 
apollosmith---Super video and the way it should be done! Congrats to all involved for a job well done!!!
 
Ok so I just watched the video for the first time. Topgun mentions wind, well I dont think that has anything to do with it. If you look at the trees, they are not moving. Looks pretty calm to me. I doubt he was aiming at the head, but if he was, great shot! If he was aiming at the heart, lungs, its a simple case of he sucked that shot and needs to learn his setup and limitations. Maybe a little bull fever??? That shot was 2 feet high, 3 feet right. But, I have seen worse from 100-300 yards and the same applies to them as well.
I also dont agree with the " this is fuel for the anti's" BS. It does not matter what we as hunters do, they do not like it. It does not matter to them how we kill animals, they just want the killing stopped.
 
I wonder if he was using a .243?


>Ok so I just watched the
>video for the first time.
> Topgun mentions wind, well
>I dont think that has
>anything to do with it.
>If you look at the
>trees, they are not moving.
>Looks pretty calm to me.
> I doubt he was
>aiming at the head, but
>if he was, great shot!
> If he was aiming
>at the heart, lungs, its
>a simple case of he
>sucked that shot and needs
>to learn his setup and
>limitations. Maybe a little bull
>fever??? That shot was 2
>feet high, 3 feet right.
> But, I have seen
>worse from 100-300 yards and
>the same applies to them
>as well.
> I also
>dont agree with the "
>this is fuel for the
>anti's" BS. It does
>not matter what we as
>hunters do, they do not
>like it. It does
>not matter to them how
>we kill animals, they just
>want the killing stopped.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Compromise, hell! ... If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-14-12 AT 03:05PM (MST)[p]one_dryboot---I think you're right. There was a breeze rustling the trees a little, but probably not enough to cause a huge miss like that. I guess I was thinking of earlier in the hunt. Anyway, the OP came on the General Forum thread and admitted the guy flat out flubbed the shot and then said he guessed he wouldn't post the video of the other bull intentionally head shot at 800 yards. Below is the link to that shot. To save time after the promo and it loads with the truck coming down the snow covered road, just go to about the 7 1/2 minute mark and watch what happens. Once across the top of it's butt and I'll not tell you the rest, but I'll bet you'll be back to make a comment or two!!! The video in the previous post is the way it should be done IMHO! Congrats to that crew on a great hunt and video.



Addendum at 12:35PM MST

Is anyone else getting sarcastic PMs from the OP? I just got my second one and told him what he could do with them, his videos, and his pizz poor ethics. It's a friggin shame that anyone would post videos of these two shots. These guys are plain and simple losers and if he sends me any more I'll keep bringing them right back to the top of the Forums. Maybe someone will recognize him and set him straight out in the field if they see him! Verbally, not physically please!
 
>LAST EDITED ON Mar-14-12
>AT 03:05?PM (MST)
>
>one_dryboot---I think you're right. There
>was a breeze rustling the
>trees a little, but probably
>not enough to cause a
>huge miss like that.
>I guess I was thinking
>of earlier in the hunt.
> Anyway, the OP came
>on the General Forum thread
>and admitted the guy flat
>out flubbed the shot and
>then said he guessed he
>wouldn't post the video of
>the other bull intentionally head
>shot at 800 yards.
>Below is the link to
>that shot. To save
>time after the promo and
>it loads with the truck
>coming down the snow covered
>road, just go to about
>the 7 1/2 minute mark
>and watch what happens.
>Once across the top of
>it's butt and I'll not
>tell you the rest, but
>I'll bet you'll be back
>to make a comment or
>two!!! The video in
>the previous post is the
>way it should be done
>IMHO! Congrats to that
>crew on a great hunt
>and video.
>
>
>
>
>Addendum at 12:35PM MST
>
>Is anyone else getting sarcastic PMs
>from the OP? I
>just got my second one
>and told him what he
>could do with them, his
>videos, and his pizz poor
>ethics. It's a friggin
>shame that anyone would post
>videos of these two shots.
> These guys are plain
>and simple losers and if
>he sends me any more
>I'll keep bringing them right
>back to the top of
>the Forums. Maybe someone
>will recognize him and set
>him straight out in the
>field if they see him!
> Verbally, not physically please!
>
Attention! Attention! Topgun did not write LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! in a post. Call the news!
 
>He**, I knew that was coming
>as soon as I saw
>you made the post before
>I even read the body
>of it, LOL!!!


LOL!!!!!!!!
 
LOL! Ya happy now? Instead of that post, why didn't you tell the guy the video was nice, but the shots sucked and should never been made unless you agree with that chit?
 
The shot in his second video is even more pathetic...800+ on the run??? Let me guess, there was NO way to get closer???


Traditional >>>------->
 
Yes Topgun that second video was horrid. Its funny how they talk themselves up saying how they practiced shooting, and he had a good solid rest. The first ass shot was enough to see he should not have shot. the second shot he got damn lucky just to hit it. Not a good choice shooting and posting the video!

But... even worse then the two shots, was the hosts blue flannel shirt. He looked like Al borland from Tool Time.
 
The second video is even more pathetic than the first,looks like he tried for Texas heart shot both times and lucked out. Looks like no ethics to me.
 
this site may as well be for anti hunters good job guys you all make every decent hunter out there look bad
 
Gee really?


Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
 
It's real interesting that I never see anyone posting their 600-1200 yard gut, leg or hindquarter shot. How many animals do these long range shooters injure/kill before they finally get it right? This stuff is a joke. It's not hunting. If your stalking skills are so poor that you cant get closer than 686 yards - then stay home!!
 
EVILNR, he would never take a 686 yard shot. Its unethical, immoral and wrong. 685 yards is perfectly acceptable, though.

"Suck it, terrorists," -Keith Stone
 
+ 1 EVILNR....It was a lucky shot!

I would never have posted this Video!...Give me a Break!!!!
 
I have to agree that it was a bad shot. I've shot a lot at long range and to me 800 and beyond is tough out to 700 is easy but i've probably logged well over 10,000 shots over 800 yards and "kinda" know where my bullets are going. I for one publicly admitted to missing my target on my dutton bull and he was only 650 yards. I read the thermals in the scope to be going left to right enough so that I believed the wind would push my 250 grain bullet 10 inches right. I aimed middle of the neck planning for a mid shoulder shot and hit my bull square middle of the neck. It took 4 more hours to kill that bull. However I have been know to stalk up to animals well within 300 yards only to back out to 800 or 900 yards because I don't enjoy shooting animals at close range. thats how I like to hunt and thats the way I will continue to hunt until the day I die. I enjoy long range and that my choice. don't like it then join the rest of the crowds that are haters. besides you arm chair jokes need to learn to keep your opinions to yourselves. Hasn't anyone realized that noone cares? this is an internet forum where words are merely words. If anone one on here takes these words for more than just a bunch of dorks blowin of steam then you need to go and take some life skills classes and learn how to live in the real world.
 
"It's real interesting that I never see anyone posting their 600-1200 yard gut, leg or hindquarter shot. How many animals do these long range shooters injure/kill before they finally get it right? This stuff is a joke."

Do you ever see the close range hunters post their gut, leg or hindquarter shots??? It happens at all ranges so get over yourself!
 
Let me get this straight dryboot....you think that the accuracy of a long-range shot is the same as the accuracy of "close range"?

Seriously? There must be a lot of ballistics research out there over the last 200 years that was wasted. Please explain, I must have missed a lot in 40 years of shooting. This is a brand new concept that deserves a revelation.
 
Dougw,

Please pull your head out of the sand! If you cant comprehend that bad shots happen at all ranges, then I may as well speak to my dog because he has better comprehension skills.
 
Stop with the insults, give me a call 3035173767. I doubt you'd talk like that in person. If you do, then bring it on.

Re-read what I wrote....i never said bad shots never happen at close range. The bottom line is that bad shots happen more often at longer ranges. If you dispute that then your head is in a worse place than sand. You can go on and on about wind estimates, elevation angle calculations, exact bullet trajectories....but the bottom line is that the potential errors increase as the range increases.

I can only hope you aren't teaching hunter's safety, either officially or to your youngsters.
 
PS if you think that all non-hunters are so stupid that a 1000-yd shot bothers them no more than a 100yd shot, RETHINK. Not all of them are brainless. The folks that we need to reach are actually half-intelligent and just choose not to go hunting, not because they hate it but because they just choose not to kill for a hobby. Believe me, a LOT more FOLKS would disapprove if all we did was try to compete to see how long a killing shot we can make.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-12 AT 04:20PM (MST)[p]Ok pay attention doug, where did I ever say a long range shot is as accurate as a close range??? The only thing I said.... And please go back and read..... Is that it happens at all ranges!!! but you seemed to take that simple little sentence and twist it ten different ways??? So dont put words in my mouth.
those that know their setup, spend time shooting and know their limitations, will wound less animals(even 6-700 yards) then the joe blow's that grab their gun, blow the dust off and call it good. some people should never take a 600 yard shot, and some people should never take a 200 yard shot. For some 600 yards is a chip shot. The key is KNOWING your limitations! Yes the videos in this thread are a piss poor display of shooting. I'm not against short range or long range, but I am against those that dont take the time to prepare, practice and know you can make the shot... at any range! P.s. Doug, I got your voice mail when I called. :)
 
Sounds like the two of you are basically on the same page now, so I guess there will be no need for a duel at 10 paces, LOL!
 
Topgun- we met up in Rawlins at 11pm, and settled things. Ended up talking more about where some big bucks are in UT and having a couple of beers. :)

Dryboot- good talking with you on the phone. I think we got things squared up....eye-to-eye on this longrange thing. Check your PM shortly.

Doug
 
"Sure glad I don't have to referee a shootout"

You'd have needed your spotting scope as no doubt it would've been a long range shoot out... lol
 
>Great shot on an awesome bull!!!
>Don't listen to all the
>jack wagons there just jealous
>!!!


WRONG! We are just smart enough not to take stupid shots like that. Alot of us including me with my set up could take that shot, but why in the hell should I? To say I did and toat around like a bad ass? With that yardage, a bad shot would be nearly impossible to get a follow up clean shot. Especially if the bull took off running. Just dumb.
 

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