9th circuit wolves ruling

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I never thought I would see the day when I agreed with a 9th circuit ruling but here it is:

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/03/14/44704.htm

Wolves will stay de-listed and management of the wolf population will not be held up further by the courts. Of course they may appeal to the Supremes but I doubt they will take the case. The ruling was unanimous.

IMHO this is good news for Elk Hunters and sportsmen as well as ranchers who rely on back country land.

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Roadtrip

"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son" Dean Wormer, Animal House
 
Great news!!!!!

I've spent a lot of time on Lobo Watch lately. Plus i've gotten on the pro-wolf web sites too. Those folks are plain nuts, whackoos.

We need to give credit to the organizations that led the fight against the tree huggers.
 
They already claimed credit in an email they sent to their followers. BigFin or somebody posted it over on Bowsite. It was humerous.
 
YZF_88---They sent that email out to more than their followers yesterday because I also got it. I think everyone on this site knows by now that I don't drink the Koolaid!
 
I dont understand why everyone says the SFW and BGF have nothing to do with the wolves being delisted.

Didn't SFW hire some big lawyers to help get this done.
 
Just hope it stands. I am from MN and we have been in the courts for almost a decade with these groups. Sounds like this will hold up though. Saw 1st hand what wolves can do to an elk herd when they introduced them in the Selway.
 
>I dont understand why everyone says
>the SFW and BGF have
>nothing to do with the
>wolves being delisted.
>
>Didn't SFW hire some big lawyers
>to help get this done.
>

Yup! And BGF & SFW are a part of the solution.

Some guys just have a boner for BGF & SFW, so it would be impossible for these dudes to admit anything good about them.

Zeke
 
>>I dont understand why everyone says
>>the SFW and BGF have
>>nothing to do with the
>>wolves being delisted.
>>
>>Didn't SFW hire some big lawyers
>>to help get this done.
>>
>
>Yup! And BGF & SFW are
>a part of the solution.
>
>
>Some guys just have a boner
>for BGF & SFW, so
>it would be impossible for
>these dudes to admit anything
>good about them.
>
>Zeke

I am curious as to what "part of the solution" Zeke is referring to. Are there any facts to support such assertion, with SFW/BGF propaganda not meeting the threshold of fact?

Most would not count the "Donny Come Lately" efforts of the "big lawyers" hired by SFW/BGF, who petitioned to be included with all the other big groups supporting the USFWS and Department of Interior in this case, so as to not be left out of what everyone knew was a sure victory. All that, even though a year ago, SFW/BGF was claiming the legislation that caused this case was a disaster for wolf delisting.

Hard to put much credence in SFW/BGF jumping on at the very end, when they lobbied to kill the legislation that is the focus of this 9th Circuit ruling - the Simpson-Tester rider that got delisting in MT and ID. Especially hard to give any consideration to the "fourth quarter" effort of SFW/BGF when they sent their hatchet squads out to hammer all the other hunting groups who were behind this legislation from the beginning. Those other groups being the biggest supporters of the USFWS in this issue, not something that can be said of SFW/BGF.

If actual PROOF existed that SFW/BGF has provided any net benefit in the wolf delisting, guys would probably be willing to admit such. Most know the true facts of the deal and just don't accept the self-congratulatory press releases of SFW/BGF to be factual. Their announcement on this ruling serving as a classic example.

A lot of people who were involved in the wolf issue from the beginning, way before SFW ever showed up and long before BGF was formed two years ago, yet they know of no FACTS that supports the assertion that SFW/BGF was "part of the solution."

If someone can provide those FACTS, surely many guys would be interested to hear/read those facts. Given miles of wolf delisting threads have been debated on hunting websites and not one FACT has ever been provide to support the assertion that SFW/BGF was beneficial to this effort, it would be nice to see some facts provided in this thread.


"Hunt when you can - You're gonna' run out of health before you run out of money!"
 
well it sounds like SFW and BGF did join in on the fight even if it was 4th quarter they did jump in and help win, so it sounds like you are giving them some credit.
 
>well it sounds like SFW and
>BGF did join in on
>the fight even if it
>was 4th quarter they did
>jump in and help win,
>so it sounds like you
>are giving them some credit.
>

They jumped in after the fourth quarter, after the game was over. They fought to kill the victory, then when the battle was over, they saw the victory party was going to be fun, so they asked to attend the party.

Again, if there exists any FACTS to show that SFW/BGF was a benefit to the cause of wolf delisting, I know most would like to see them.

Whoever has those FACTS, please post them up for all of us to see.


"Hunt when you can - You're gonna' run out of health before you run out of money!"
 
>They jumped in after the fourth
>quarter, after the game was
>over. They fought to
>kill the victory, then when
>the battle was over, they
>saw the victory party was
>going to be fun, so
>they asked to attend the
>party.

Can I get an amen from ya for Brother Fin!

Here, here...
 
If this is a debate, then give Big Fin the trophy and send the opposers home with some band-aid's.

Facts win over opinions every time.
 
This ruling is NOT good news. It's better news than leaving wolves on the endangered list with no hunting at all, but that doesn't make it good news IMO.

BGF and Don Peay have always wanted a "shoot on sight" policy and that's what they fought for. This compromise rule that they were against, but finally had to settle for, just means that the hippies who never want to see a wolf killed, ever, lost. The State can manage wolves. whoopee!

That means wolves will florish and continue to spread like a case of small pox.

Boy, now there's a victory.
 
The last two posts have me shaking my head. There will never be a "shoot on sight" throughout the ecosystem where wolves are now thriving. We have to live within the parameters set up so that the ESA will not be violated and the wolves relisted. Hopefully all the states will do everything they need to do in various ways to cut the population down to near the minimum numbers agreed upon. That will probably include hunting, trapping, aerial gunning, etc. in order to get the numbers down where they need to be since hunting alone will not do it.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-24-12 AT 08:38PM (MST)[p]Let the damn wolves thrive in Yellowstone, but in places like Utah, Idaho, Montana where the tree hugging .bastards are shoving their way down our throat needs to change, we have to take all we can get. why not start high hoping to get it our way, just like SFW did??? ya in the end they had to settle. In Utah where we "dont have any wolves" it should be "shoot on sight" And if you dont think it should be that way please pull your head out of the sand! If we let a few in, they will become very hard to manage and will ruin our herds. Go walk in a few outdoor stores in Mt and take a long look at the wall of death. Hundreds of pictures of Deer,Elk,Moose, Dogs, Mt. Lions all killed by the wolf. Ya being able to kill a few is great but it is not enough. If we allow wolves to thrive and repopulate, its only a matter of time until hunters will be weeded out and the only thing we will hunt our wolves to control all other species.
If you think coyotes hurt our deer and elk herds, just wait. there is a reason why our grandfathers tried to kill em all. And there is a reason why we should do the same!
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-25-12 AT 08:56AM (MST)[p]TOPGUN, we know the reality. Oh man, do we know the reality. Wolves are here to stay. They are established to the point that it will take a complete turn around of the ESA to get wolves eliminated, or even just confined to Yellowstone area. Everyone knows that's not going to happen.

We have to live with that, but we don't have to like it, and it doesn't make it right.

Lots of closet wolf lovers are comming out of the woodwork now. Now that wolves are forever here, they come on here and tell us that they're our friends. They say we need to "manage" wolves, knowing full well the flood of wolves is comming and can never be stopped.

I don't know what their agenda is, but wolves were never endangered. Canada and Alaska will vouch for that. It's not that, if we don't have wolves in our back yard, they will become extinct.

Wolves are here. I got that. Just don't put me down as one of the people who thinks we're getting a good deal because we're allowed to kill a few and slow the spread down a bit. It's like being thankfull the thief took your TV but left your computer.:)

There are some who want to be able to shoot a wolf and put the hide on their wall, I get that too. What a price to pay though.

Eel
 
Even if hunters are not getting a "good deal" with this ruling, would no deal at all be better? Like it or not, the wolf war isn't won or lost in the woods, but in a courtroom. That's the reality. mtmuley
 
eel, you just don't get it, do you? Montana, and Idaho have got what they wanted. Those that listened to Don Peay got what they wanted. Don Peay doesn't speak for me, or anybody I know. We could care less what he wanted. Montana is in control of our wolves without Don Peay or anybody else's interference.




I wanted to take a scalp,but the kill was not mine.
 

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