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Sumas
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Drew Pauns rifle hunt this year. Need any info. Not asking for your favorite hunting spot but just a place to start looking. Not too picky either. 165 class buck would be great.
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RACKMASTER
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how about highway 89 around 13 miles east of Kanab...you do not even need your rifle! just wait for nightfall and drive up and down the road til you see one you like then just mow him over or wait til moms or pops does it for you!!!!
165 is very very small for the Pauns.. aim higher!
scout it, learn it! that tag deserves effort!!!
HUNT BELOW THE CLIFFS AFTER OPENING WEEKEND!
RM
165 is very very small for the Pauns.. aim higher!
scout it, learn it! that tag deserves effort!!!
HUNT BELOW THE CLIFFS AFTER OPENING WEEKEND!
RM
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balz
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Shoot early is my .02 I have hunted the Pauns multiple times with differnt family if you see one you would be proud of put the hammer down you won't be sorry. Email me and I will send you a pic of the Buck I killed last year I am having trouble uploading it.
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balz
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Also Hawkeye you gotta love those eye guards WOW
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jdh
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The weather will be a big factor of where to hunt, With opening day on the 6th of October, you'll likely want to be up in the higher country, unless there has been some snow up there. But towards the end of the hunt some of the deer will be moving and it will be a tough. Good luck,
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RACKMASTER
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jdh.....
no offence but the Paunsagunt is not that way at all!
weather will not play any roll except the feeding time and bedding time and where!
its could be 90 degree and they will move, snow 2ft and they'll move, rain, hail, blow 80mph they'll move!
Its a interal clock migration thing always has for a thousand years. No deer? get below the cliffs fast.
once it starts its a lot of fun to see it.. they really cut deep trails and you can see some brutes!
jack
no offence but the Paunsagunt is not that way at all!
weather will not play any roll except the feeding time and bedding time and where!
its could be 90 degree and they will move, snow 2ft and they'll move, rain, hail, blow 80mph they'll move!
Its a interal clock migration thing always has for a thousand years. No deer? get below the cliffs fast.
once it starts its a lot of fun to see it.. they really cut deep trails and you can see some brutes!
jack
HUNTINFORLIFE
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If it hasnt snow or turns real cold try up be tropic resivor. that is a pretty good. if it has snowed or turns cold stay down around kanab.
No offense.............Jack, but if jdh stands for Jeremy D. H. you ought to be taking notes. It was an honest and thoughtful reply to an honest question and right on the money. I'll bet that if you check the trails you are referring to on Oct. 6th you'll see very little movement. There will still be tons of deer on the pinks. Very few "brutes" will be seen on the Pauns during the rifle hunt and even fewer killed. Not many "brutes" on the Pauns period. Sorry to take offense. Both of you are right. I'm just amazed that such a knowledgeable and well-meaning response from someone who has killed multiple "brutes" would be so flatly contradicted.
I would try to find a buck that summered under the Pinks to hunt. Less pressure. Easier to pattern and often easier to see (glass) without the timber in the way. Fewer numbers but more killable if you are the type of hunter who can scout, pattern and do the land legwork for permission. Lots of public land too. They seem to hold their position a little better than the high bucks - migrate later or not at all. The past two years it does seem that the migration has begun a little earlier. Good luck.
I would try to find a buck that summered under the Pinks to hunt. Less pressure. Easier to pattern and often easier to see (glass) without the timber in the way. Fewer numbers but more killable if you are the type of hunter who can scout, pattern and do the land legwork for permission. Lots of public land too. They seem to hold their position a little better than the high bucks - migrate later or not at all. The past two years it does seem that the migration has begun a little earlier. Good luck.
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I second it take notes if JDH is saying it.
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mdh
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Just curious Jack, are you telling me if it snow's on Sept 30th up above the pinks they may not move? Will they move if it is 90 plus degress? I agree when they go it is an exodus no doubt, but I will stick with little bro. on this and say weather is a HUGE factor on the rifle hunt on the pauns. Why? Cause a guy may get a chance of all those summer bucks that summer up on the private lands around Alton. And yes there are better bucks up there than ANY public land the unit offers during the archery and early rifle hunt. 2 years ago we had early winter storm and the deer killed on the general side was a unbelivable. I mean ridiculous!! why because the storm pushed them off. I am realizing mother nature plays more of role on this unit than any other factor in regards to hunting. I will leave it at that. Best of luck on the rifle hunt stick with KG's advice you will do well.
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jack,
No offense taken, thats the purpose of these forums to offer opinions, insight, and experiences regarding topics posted. It seems my experience has been different then yours. I have witnessed the exodus happen literally overnight and have also seen it linger for weeks. But I do agree with you if you don't see any deer up high get below the cliffs. I have seen 'em come down at all different dates in October. Every deer is different. I recall having a very hard time one year finding any bucks during the november muzz hunt near some family property 15 miles east of kanab and just for giggles went up to some property we own on the summer range one morning,(november) and found nearly 15 bucks and several does that had not migrated yet.. For a moment I thought they must have come from somewhere else until I recognized a couple of the bucks that had been there all summer. Perhaps that was a freak year or something happend to the internal clock, haven't seen it since and needless to say I was amazed. Now if the Pauns. Rifle started just 1 week later then I would generally say, "yea hunt the low country they'll be there or be coming really fast" but with opening weekend on the 6th I am not sure that will be the case. I would still plan on hunting up high or just under the pinks like kg mentioned opening weekend. I assume there are some that move on some sort of time clock, or other reasons, But I do know that some will move earlier if it snows.. Hence the case on the general rifle hunt on the sands a few years back when the slaughter occured. That hunt starts the 3rd weekend of october and is an awesome hunt, as far as deer numbers, if there are some early snow showers. It is still a good hunt with no snow but there seems to be less deer. I feel if the pauns, rifle hunt were to be a premo hunt like the dwr says it is, then it should start the same time as the other premo hunt in the state, the 3rd weekend of october. But who knows perhaps the exodus will occur the first weekend of October this year and for those with rifle permits I hope it does. Geez perhaps I did take offense, my fingers are cramping up!! lol,
jdh
No offense taken, thats the purpose of these forums to offer opinions, insight, and experiences regarding topics posted. It seems my experience has been different then yours. I have witnessed the exodus happen literally overnight and have also seen it linger for weeks. But I do agree with you if you don't see any deer up high get below the cliffs. I have seen 'em come down at all different dates in October. Every deer is different. I recall having a very hard time one year finding any bucks during the november muzz hunt near some family property 15 miles east of kanab and just for giggles went up to some property we own on the summer range one morning,(november) and found nearly 15 bucks and several does that had not migrated yet.. For a moment I thought they must have come from somewhere else until I recognized a couple of the bucks that had been there all summer. Perhaps that was a freak year or something happend to the internal clock, haven't seen it since and needless to say I was amazed. Now if the Pauns. Rifle started just 1 week later then I would generally say, "yea hunt the low country they'll be there or be coming really fast" but with opening weekend on the 6th I am not sure that will be the case. I would still plan on hunting up high or just under the pinks like kg mentioned opening weekend. I assume there are some that move on some sort of time clock, or other reasons, But I do know that some will move earlier if it snows.. Hence the case on the general rifle hunt on the sands a few years back when the slaughter occured. That hunt starts the 3rd weekend of october and is an awesome hunt, as far as deer numbers, if there are some early snow showers. It is still a good hunt with no snow but there seems to be less deer. I feel if the pauns, rifle hunt were to be a premo hunt like the dwr says it is, then it should start the same time as the other premo hunt in the state, the 3rd weekend of october. But who knows perhaps the exodus will occur the first weekend of October this year and for those with rifle permits I hope it does. Geez perhaps I did take offense, my fingers are cramping up!! lol,
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I hunted it twice and just trying to offer it the way I saw it..1ST time no weather at all and the deer just disappeared up on top and so I went south and I was back to seeing 30/40 bucks a day just off 89....(season was later I think). 6 years later
there was a storm 3rd day into season lots of snow up top and I was see a bunch of deer at every where while it was pouring and snowing they just seems to be on a mission to head south to the ditch and in three days it was like once it started it did not stop until and then it got tough like I had to move a lot to find them and after the 3rd day after the weather all the deer were south of 89.... I seen a real monster that trip but it would have been a Texas heart shot 170 yrds across a deep ravine
so I walked(I let him turn his head and walk away!) ....I am still haunted to the day by that buck he was old and grey and a extremely heavy beast at lease 37" wide and 6/7 inch high eye guards and trash everywhere! I just could not shoot him like that....And I am OK with that and would do it again!!just the way I was raised!!
Good luck... we all have something to offer and sure its all good stuff and I feel good about being here but were all chums!
and glad we can offer what we can!
some ask and never get any replies!
we have a passion and it all makes for good reading.(I think)...at lease til opening day..LOL setting on 6 points and can't wait to draw again before I die!
GO WARRIORS
Jack
there was a storm 3rd day into season lots of snow up top and I was see a bunch of deer at every where while it was pouring and snowing they just seems to be on a mission to head south to the ditch and in three days it was like once it started it did not stop until and then it got tough like I had to move a lot to find them and after the 3rd day after the weather all the deer were south of 89.... I seen a real monster that trip but it would have been a Texas heart shot 170 yrds across a deep ravine
so I walked(I let him turn his head and walk away!) ....I am still haunted to the day by that buck he was old and grey and a extremely heavy beast at lease 37" wide and 6/7 inch high eye guards and trash everywhere! I just could not shoot him like that....And I am OK with that and would do it again!!just the way I was raised!!
Good luck... we all have something to offer and sure its all good stuff and I feel good about being here but were all chums!
and glad we can offer what we can!
some ask and never get any replies!
we have a passion and it all makes for good reading.(I think)...at lease til opening day..LOL setting on 6 points and can't wait to draw again before I die!
GO WARRIORS
Jack
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"Go Warriors" OOPS..
Go JAzz!!
Go JAzz!!
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kg and jdh offered some sound advice.
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muleyarcher07
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While we are on the subject how would you hunt the Archery Hunt. I have a tag and am excited to learn more about the area.
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FAB
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Muleyarcher07 I had a Pauns. archery tag last year. I got some good advice from a couple of guys here on MM. If you would like you can contact me for info at [email protected]. I hunted around Tropic Res. and did get a decent buck. It was my first time hunting deer in the velvet and I learned alot. I will start appyling again when eligible if that tells you anything.
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deerbedead
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I am going to have to put in my two cents worth on this one. I am pretty good buds with JDH, and MDH, and although I agree with some of what was said, my experience has been more similar to Rackmaster's.
I believe the deer start to migrate the last week of September, every year. If you want to find out for sure, go to the white cliffs and check the tracks on the trails. I'll put a hundred bucks on it that there will be fresh tracks heading south before Oct 1.
When the rifle season opens the deer will be bunched up in groups right at the top of the pinks, and will bail off in droves during the week of the hunt.
Warmer, or hot weather will make them travel less during daylight, and make the hunt extremely tough. They'll bed at daylight, and won't get up until after dark.
Cold, wet, nasty weather will keep them up and travelling all day long.
There will be deer scattered from one end of the unit to the other during the entire hunt, so you need to decide what your game plan will be, and stick to it. The guys that bounce from low country to high, to middle, to who knows where typically run out of time and still don't know what is going on.
Big bucks can and will be in almost all of the range during the hunt, but they have become masters at avoiding the hunters during the migration.
Some years the deer will hang up in the oakbrush in the middle ground too if the acorns are thick. That puts a damper on the hunt too because most of the oak brush country is on private posted ground just under the pinks.
Anyway, it's a fun hunt, but don't count on the weather to move the deer. They'll be moving whether you like it or not.
Travis Roundy
I believe the deer start to migrate the last week of September, every year. If you want to find out for sure, go to the white cliffs and check the tracks on the trails. I'll put a hundred bucks on it that there will be fresh tracks heading south before Oct 1.
When the rifle season opens the deer will be bunched up in groups right at the top of the pinks, and will bail off in droves during the week of the hunt.
Warmer, or hot weather will make them travel less during daylight, and make the hunt extremely tough. They'll bed at daylight, and won't get up until after dark.
Cold, wet, nasty weather will keep them up and travelling all day long.
There will be deer scattered from one end of the unit to the other during the entire hunt, so you need to decide what your game plan will be, and stick to it. The guys that bounce from low country to high, to middle, to who knows where typically run out of time and still don't know what is going on.
Big bucks can and will be in almost all of the range during the hunt, but they have become masters at avoiding the hunters during the migration.
Some years the deer will hang up in the oakbrush in the middle ground too if the acorns are thick. That puts a damper on the hunt too because most of the oak brush country is on private posted ground just under the pinks.
Anyway, it's a fun hunt, but don't count on the weather to move the deer. They'll be moving whether you like it or not.
Travis Roundy
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I guess we can agree to dis-agree and I can barely live with it!! Ha, Ha, I do know on Oct 1st each year for the last 4 years I have been up on sieve bench seeing what is there. Over a 150 + bucks alone summer there. It is no secret. It is located in the middle of the Alton CWMU. Each year the deer were still there that summer. The ONLY time there was not any deer was when the EARLY winter storm hit that nailed Cedar Mountain and surrounding area. The day after the storm they were gone. Weather plays a factor on where to hunt. If it is hot and dry I start on top. If there has been a good early storm I go low.
The truth known and I think Trav would agree who in the hell would put in for a rifle tag on the pauns? Hunt the whole herd if you are going to pay the premium price no? Muzzle;; huh?
Mick,
Antelope in Wyoming Trav, this year with us?
The truth known and I think Trav would agree who in the hell would put in for a rifle tag on the pauns? Hunt the whole herd if you are going to pay the premium price no? Muzzle;; huh?
Mick,
Antelope in Wyoming Trav, this year with us?
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deerbedead
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Mick,
That's my sentiment exactly. Who in there right mind would apply for a rifle tag? It's the worst hunt of the 3, and I'll sign my name to that!
What about the antelope? Do you have tags already, or are you going to buy them over the counter?
Let me know. I'll start practicing my long range shooting so I can at least compete this time!
Travis
That's my sentiment exactly. Who in there right mind would apply for a rifle tag? It's the worst hunt of the 3, and I'll sign my name to that!
What about the antelope? Do you have tags already, or are you going to buy them over the counter?
Let me know. I'll start practicing my long range shooting so I can at least compete this time!
Travis
