If a tree falls on an elk in the forest . . . ?

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I received these pics back a while ago and am still floored by the find!! What are the odds? Does anyone know the story on this bull? Also, how can I get a tree to fall on a bull like that in my neck of the woods?

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MM was the first place I remember seeing these photos... I cant seem to remember the thread title, so its hard to find inthe archives... It got all kinds of funny stories posted with it, about Bigfoot killin the bull by pushin a tree on him and such...

Glad you brought it back. It'd be great if someone witht he real story, or who remembers the real story could update us once again.



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I saw those a while back. Many said it was a poached job. But on here you listen to what ya want and block out 90% of the rest. I could see that happening in the woods anything is possible. Regardless it is a great find
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-02-13 AT 07:55PM (MST)[p]Interesting that this was revived. It is a bookcliffs roadless bull. I remember that the kid who posted these pics initially got a bunch of crap for possibly poaching it and posing the antlers so that he would be able to get to keep them. Funny story goes along with this bull, as it was "re-found" on the rifle hunt 2012 by some guides. They said that the bull rack was found covered with limbs and debris in an effort to try and hide the rack for a later retrieval. They notified the F&G and are looking into getting to keep the rack. I'll find a pic of the rack from this fall, and post it up.

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-03-13 AT 11:29AM (MST)[p]Not saying this is a poached job or not, but it's very easy to see how some may think it is.
A big player in the "let them lay" law for antlers still attached to a skull was brought on by some Utah individuals who would poach big bucks during winter, chain the heads to trees so predators couldn't drag the head off, then they'd go back in the spring and let the GPS show them where it was left.

Even i'll admit that it's very ironic that the biggest bull on the mountain got killed by not just one, but THREE falling trees at the same time and they landed miraculously without breaking anything.
But hey, stranger things have happened......nice find on a bull of a lifetime!







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LAST EDITED ON Jan-03-13 AT 04:32PM (MST)[p]I stumbled onto a dead elk that had one side of his antlers under neath a suspended log. It had decomposed and dried around the fallen tree. But bears tugging and pulling on the carcass, was the culprit in that case. It was work trying to free that head up to get it out from under the downed tree.
 
Yeah, that's got to be the unluckiest elk ever........getting smashed by not one........not two......but count 'em .........THREE FALLING TREES!!!!! Hmmmmm
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-13 AT 03:56PM (MST)[p]The gentleman in the lower picture was a hunter in our camp this year. I was the one that actually rediscovered the rack during the limited entry rifle hunt. When we packed this gentleman out to his truck after his hunt we called the DWR and reported the find and they requested GPS coordinates for where it was located. Obviously this picture was taken from our camp which was only about 200 yards from where it was found. The DWR has gone in and recovered the skull and it is now in their possession. We have made a request to obtain the skull, but at this point no decision has been made. I would love to get this rack as these pictures really don't do it justice. Some of the points aren't really that long but the mass is incredible. It is certainly an eye catcher.

Jon
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JDC - Was it on the Utah side or the Colorado side? If it was the roadless area then it would be Utah. The original post earlier in the year claimed it was Colorado. Just curious.

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This skull was located in the roadless area - a long ways from the Colorado border.

Jon
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Thanks! That makes a lot more sense actually and explains some things about the first post and the "hiding" of it. They first said it was Colorado - trying to throw off suspicion I guess. It is one hell of a cool bull!


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In my opinion, the original log holdig the bull down is way to old for the condition of the rack. That rack would be decomposed big time!
 
I agree its bs, somebody poached it and stashed it for later. Either that or a big ass bear killed it and buried it in thirty foot long trees lol
 
Look how many trees have fallen in the back ground... Very possibe over that amount of time.
 
How was this big freak bull found, pulled out and pictures taken with it, then put back, and then re-discovered a year or so later by somebody else?

Somethin' aint right!
 
All I know about this is a kid I work with his dad was the guide that refound this bull not sure if he has got it back but he was guiding a client when they found it and the fish and game got from what I understand and he was waiting to see if he could have it.
 
Wyo ask the question what happen to the guy who found it first and then put it back does anyone know.

Doesn't the F&G have to come to the spot(dead animal) and check it out before you move the head so they can do a CSI thing.

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I would like to set the record straight on our knowledge of these antlers. I was with the group that first discovered these horns, and they were found just as your first picture shows. It was a great find and we were all excited. My friends were a father and two sons who ride with me in the "books" whenever we get the chance to go. The body of the elk was totally decomposed. As anyone would do we had to see what that horn under the trees looked like so we dug it out very carefully. After we picked our jaws off the groud, we took a few photos and then tried to return the horns to their resting place. After informing the dwr of the find and its location we left the matter in their hands. We tried several times to meet schedules out there but were never able to. What started out as excitement soon turned ugly as posts on this forum started calling these young men poachers and other things. When a father and sons have to read these kind of posts it takes the fun out of the whole adventure. As far as how this elk meet his fate your guess is as good as mine. I hope you all have as much fun riding and hunting as we do!
 
Thanks for setting the record straight s4b - some things get in the public sphere and things get crazy from there. There are plenty of reasons to be suspicious from just looking at the photos and from reading the original thread on here, but that is all just speculation and conjecture by people who don't really know what happened but want everyone esle to think they know every detail. Too bad it got ugly.

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I have the previous years sheds off this bull. His mass was amazing then, I'd love to see this head. If the dwr ever completes their work and either of the finders get this bull I'd be interested to get my set and the head together to compare. I looked hard the next winter to relocate this bull but never could, my heart sank when I first got the original pictures.
 
Who knows about the poaching...but both parties were wrong to disturb the antlers. The section below is from the state Guidebook. The outfitter should have known better....I say no way will they get the antlers back nor should they after ruining any possible evidence and taking the antlers to their camp...



Finding a skull with
antlers or horns
attached
If you find a skull with the antlers or
horns still attached, it's possible the animal
was poached. Do NOT pick up or move
the skull, or disturb any footprints or
other evidence. Instead, we encourage
you to take the following steps:
? Take photos of the skull from a couple
of angles
? Pinpoint the location of the skull
(preferably its GPS coordinates)
? Call or visit a Division office to report
your find
? Provide key details in your report
The Division will send a conservation
officer to investigate and determine if the
animal was poached. If it's clear that the
animal was not poached, we may allow you
to keep your find.





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Sounds like grounds for fines and loss of outfitter licenses to me,its a BS story no matter how you look at it.
 
I was in the books when this was found, and in the outfitters defense, the game warden was in their camp opening weekend. I would wager that they took the game warden to the sight where the rack was found, and he gave permission to move it. From what I heard, the rack was all covered up with limbs and debris. They said that it looked like someone was trying to hide the rack, or a bear had covered it up.
The outfitter and his crew are stand up guys for sure. I had many interactions with them on my hunt, and we were hunting the same country/bulls. They were nothing but polite/helpful.

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I agree with Sliver. Me and my dad were outfitted by these guides in this same camp the year before. They are great guys. Straight up and honest as you will find. I talked with him after this past season to see how the hunts went for them and it was one of their hunters that found this dead head and then the guides got the DWR involved. Not sure what else anyone could expect them to have done differently. The BC Roadless is a pretty magical place. That thing looks like a thick old mythical beast and I sure would have loved to have seen that bull if he was even alive then but from the looks of it, I don't think it would score as well and to me isn't as beautiful of an elk as the one my dad harvested. There are some cool bulls in there for sure!
 
GW let them take the horns??? seem to me that the GW would take the horns with him if he had when to the site and did the CSI work.
Just saying.

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I once found a dead head under a tree up E. Elk Creek. I guess I was lucky...... it wasn't a big bull, I didn't post pics, its one antler was broken, and I have no knowledege of CO requiring a person to report a dead head. I just hope the tree killed the bull and it wasn't trapped for any time to be picked at by yotes as it starved. Damn the luck.
 
I once found a mountain bike locked to, but underneath a fellen tree in very remote place in Idaho.
 
These things happen. My son-in-law and I were picking our way through a timbered draw and by utter chance walked up on a cow elk that had been killed by a falling tree. She was intact. No wild animals had been on her yet. The tree that hit her was a green Douglas-fir about 20 or so inches in diameter. A terrific windstorm had ripped through the area a few days earlier and that is when it must have happened. Talk about being in the wrong place at the right time. We took pictures and I gave a copy to an Idaho G&F person.
 

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