Bull Poached by Cop!!!

I find that to be horse****! That was a poaching crime to the fullest, and just because it was commited by cops doesnt mean that they are above the law and nothing should happen to them. Colorado you just got robbed of a trophy bull...
 
They didn't even report it, they just loaded it into their pickup and took it home! No police report, no nothing! On top of that, it was in the middle of the night!
 
We had an NDOW game warden shoot a monster buck in Carson city within the last year or two and it just got sweeped under the rug.
 
Clayton is this the one you are talking about? When this was posted it was said to have been taken by a Crossbow.

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Brian
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If a regular citizen commits a crime against a cop, the penalties are far worse than usual. If a cop commits a crime, the penalties should also be far worse than usual, not just swept under the rug.
 
Brian,

The picture of the buck you have here was taken legally in an any legal weapons hunt in the Reno area, believe it was hunt unit 194, 196. The buck Clayton is talking about was a heavy horned non-typical from down in Carson City area that NDOW killed because they said it had been injured during the rut and would not make it through the winter.
 
Just a thought, if you're a cop in Boulder...if the bull is really dying prior to you shooting it, call CPW first. Duh. If the cop has time to talk to the neighbors about it prior to shooting it, he certainly has time to dial the local game warden's emergency number. These weren't rookie cops, either.

Both CPW and the city are "investigating" it. If what is in the newspapers is true, these guys are out of jobs and Samson law violators, at the very least.
 
I do hope there is such a citizen outcry that they get rid of those guys and the CPW prosecutes them to the full extent of the law. From what people are saying on other websites, it appears the Boulder cops have a lot of problems with DUIs and other law infractions they are getting away with. It needs to stop with heavy punishment for this incident to let them all know they are just like the rest of us..
 
Just another example of the arrogance of some police thinking that the laws do not apply to them.

On a funnier note, the residents of Boulder are having a candlelight vigil for the slain elk this week. I was thinking about taking my grill and a few back straps for a bbq.
 
They should be picketing City Hall and the Police Station demanding the guys be forced to resign or be fired and prosecuted to the fullest, rather than laying out pine boughs and singing Kumbyya!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-07-13 AT 03:26PM (MST)[p]I will bet these cops did not grow up in the front range of Colorado, or any civilized big game community. The incident sounds premeditated, and a joke for rational.
 
My dad was a Cop. When I was growing up he said its amazing the people that think its ok to break game laws. Cops, lawyers, Judges. They must think game laws are not important.
 
Don't they count ammo at the end of the shift? Sounds like they should be charged with conspiracy and prosecute all those on the know.
 
>They didn't even report it, they
>just loaded it into their
>pickup and took it home!
> No police report, no
>nothing! On top of
>that, it was in the
>middle of the night!




You don't know how it works...
 
I bet we should let the criminal justice system determine if they are poachers... remember the old saying...innocent until proven guilty.
 
no it wasnt that buck with the crossbow, that buck was taken legally. The buck I'm talking about was a big non-typical and the picture of it dead has the warden holding the rack up like it was his trophy.
 
A few years ago a Senior Trooper out of Pendleton who worked for OSP for 25 plus years lost hid job for aiding his son in a poached 7x7 and i believe some cows or calfs. How could you get that stupid to help your own family costing you a job he had for years. Just shows how selfish some can be. Just plain wrong but he got what he deserved.Karma.
 
Come on guys, pretty quick to pass judgment.

There are a lot of unknowns about this incident. You can clearly see that the elk was shot in someone?s yard, or at least in a populated area. An interview of a man says that the elk showed aggressive tendencies (bluff charges) towards residents. The Police officers reported that the elk may have been injured (we don't know).

Fact of the matter is, we/ you don't know what the policies are of the Police department involved with this incident.

Police can legally kill animals for several reasons (and don't need permission from Wildlife Departments). 1st reason, they are sick/ injured and the officer feels they need to be put down immediately. 2nd reason, the officer feels the animal is a danger to himself or others. There are also a few other reasons.

That being said, I would be willing bet that a few department policies were violated. That is most likely why the officers were placed on administrative leave, not because they killed the elk.

Police have a tough job and have to make quick decisions. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong, sometimes they are not popular. It is easy to Monday morning quarterback the incident, but in the end, none of us were there. We don't know what the officers were thinking. If they violated policy they will be disciplined. If they abused their power and broke a law they will be charged.

It is pretty unfair to pass judgment without knowing all the facts. Police reports are public record. If you want to know what is happening then place a request to view the Police report.
 
SS13- Pretty unlikely that in the rare case that a walking elk has a terminal injury, the cops don't have to contact CPW, preferably before shooting it. I've been there, done that in Boulder a few years ago. The most likely official police policy is this: requiring CPW contact prior to the shooting unless a human safety-compromising situation exists. The media/video reports don't indicate that this situation was present at the time.

Media reports say there was no CPW contact by the officers. I realize media reports can be false. But the overwhelming evidence in this case in all of the media outlets (and witnesses onsite) is that they did not contact CPW before or after the shooting.

remember..."proof of the crime beyond reasonable doubt."
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-18-13 AT 02:49PM (MST)[p]Doug,

I would imagine the official policy is pretty close to what you posted. That being said, we don't know. The only people that truly know what happened that night are the Police involved. They may, or may not have a valid reason for putting the elk down.

I just find it hard to believe that a Police officer would choose a very public area to "poach" a trophy elk. It just does not make any sense. This happened in a liberal city where some residents are anti-Police(and dont understand, or care to understand why police do what they do and are justified to do). If this happened in any other liberal city the outcry would be the same (even if the shooting is/was justified).

In my opinion you can't trust what the media says. Get the Police report and that will tell the story. Time will tell, but my guess is they will just be disciplined internally for a policy violation. Again, the report will tell the true story. I am very interested in how this turns out.
 
Me thinks at least one of the boys in blue has a chance to be wearing stripes and worrying about bending over for awhile!
 
Finished watching the DA's statement. Those are some serious charges, but I doubt that this case will ever go to trial. I predict that they will plee guilty in order to reduce the charges. In the end, the odds are pretty good they will see some jail time. Time will tell how much.
 
Seen the charges on the news last night, I was impressed by them! Was not expecting that level of charges against them or for them to even be arrested at all. Good on DOW!

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"


Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
 
I agee we were not there, but why was there no police report & why did the officers take the elk and process it!! They new darn well what they were doing & thought they could get away with it!!Thats my opinion!!
 
Not only did he process the meat, the head was all ready at the taxidermy guy...
DOW is looking into it, was one of the last things I have heard. I feel that this was blatant poaching. If it were you or I we would be nailed for discharging a fire arm in city limits, poaching, trespassing, shooting an animal without a license, at nigh out of season. the list goes on.
 
You need to catch up with the news and this thread. The DA nailed them with all kinds of charges including several felonies after the DOW and PD filed their reports!
 
I'm guessing the cop's plot to poach the bull was to use the broken tine as "evidence" it had been injured? However through their texts, they didn't locate the tine, right? Or is this mode of thinking beyond their intelligence? Lol.
 
Broken antlers don't endanger lives of bucks or bulls.

But, however, if one is stupid, one might think this would lend support to the argument that the bull was hurt fighting another bull. Generally, though, CPW isn't stupid and would see right through this silly argument.

To me, this simply means they have the broken-off portion hidden and intended to repair it later for display of the mount on the wall (ie. including the full antlers). It's an easy repair.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if $$ and another party were involved somewhere in this crime......given the complete stupidity.
 
I didn't mean the bull was injured from the broken tine, but was suggesting they were trying to use it as evidence it had been hit by a car.
 
DG-Gotcha....just to be clear my "stupid" description is mean for the cops. Its plausible that the argument you mention was attempted. I'd have trouble keeping a straight face if someone actually thought this explanation would be bought, but then again these 2 cops (or more) aren't likely to have many brain cells in the first place.
 

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