WTF- How come Archery guys have to ruin it for us??

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(KSL News) Six cows in Wasatch County were shot with arrows near Clyde Creek.

Sgt. Paul Davis of the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources says it's one of the most disturbing acts he's seen in his 16 years of wildlife enforcement.

The investigation began on Aug. 18 when a cow was seen with an arrow protruding from its body. Five more cattle with similar wounds were seen on August 25th and 26th.

The cows survived.

Archery clubs and archery-gear makers are offering a $6,000 reward for information that leads to a conviction.
 
BTW- I am an archery guy who has just moved back to UT after many years in NM and I am quite P.O' after reading this. I grew up with my family hunting in the Strawberry area and am really upset that this could happen...............
 
Thread should have read , How come we must have Jack ASSSHOLES AMONST US!
 
THESE AIN'T ARCHERY GUY'S!!!

THESE ARE LOWLIFE SCUM OF THE EARTH TYPE OF TARDS!!!

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THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
 
unbelievable, this is why there are a lot of landowners that wont allow a trespass on their property. If sh^* like this didnt happen ill bet there would be more access to private. Ill bet the guy with the cows is furious...
Gives us all a black eye.............
 
If I caught the pos I would shove one of his shafts up is arce and hand him over to the authorities.
Sounds like it's a kid, or a Puss$! It didn't kill any of those cows? My arrows would have put them all down.

If they do catch him I bet they just slap his wrists and let him go.
Utah needs to set penalties for crap like this so high nobody would ever do it!
 
Scott this prick won't get off with a slap on the wrist.
you've got to remember we're in the west, messing with cattle is an automatic felony.

I caught wind of this early this week and was immediately sick to my stomach. The info I received was a little different than the press release.

SPEAK UP IF YA KNOW ANYTHING!!! IF YA DID THIS, TURN YOURSELF IN AND AT LEAST BE MAN ENOUGH TO TAKE WHAT YA GOT COMING!!!

LET ME EMPHASIZE THIS PERSON IS NOT A HUNTER OF ANY KIND ESPECIALLY A BOWHUNTER!!! THIS PERSON IS A CRIMINAL THAT HAD ARCHERY TACKLE IN HIS HANDS AND NEEDS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS ACTIONS!!! iF THE CRIMINAL THAT DID THIS IS READING THIS I CHALLENGE YOU TO HAVE ENOUGH BALLS TO TURN YOURSELF IN.
 
Ya know, I feel very different from you guys about this issue. I do think that it was wrong to have shot the cows, but I also understand why he did. To be honest I've been real close to letting the air out of a couple of cows. And people like that arent the reason that access is limited on private land, access is limited because there is money in hunting and ranchers exploit that. Its B.S. because they run their stupid cattle on public land, the only land that myself and most people have access to, the cows eat up the feed and change the land in various other ways, and they get in my way. And while this is going on the rancher is charging people access fees to get on his cattlefree land where the deer go, because they can get away from the cows. Long story short, I personally hate cattle and think it should be illegal to run freerange through hunting seasons. If you dont want you cows shot, pull them off the mountain.
 
Huntn30inchers-
Maybe i'm jumping to conclusions here because of my rage after reading your reply, but are you totally insane???

I too myself have been upset to see a cow or sheep walking under my treestand or ground blind, but that's just the way it is and you'll NEVER be able to stop free ranging, it's been around for 100's of years for Christ's sake! Your reply totally justifies this waste of human flesh to deliberately shoot cattle and put us ALL at risk of losing opportunities and priveldges, not too mention yet ANOTHER black eye to the public and anti hunting groups!!
WTF are you thinking??? Did you think it was ok for Hitler to slaughter jews simply because he didn't like them?? I know that's an extreme statement, but C'mon!!!
If you are upset about livestock in your hunting area, FIND ANOTHER PLACE TOO HUNT, it's that simple!!!!

Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
I'm with slamdunk... are you nuts? Or perhaps your just trying to get a rise outta us?? Its too damn early in the morning for that.

Kirby

When in doubt, floor it.

Diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggy" until you find a big stick.
 
huntn30inchers said:

"Ya know, I feel very different from you guys about this issue. I do think that it was wrong to have shot the cows, but I also understand why he did. To be honest I've been real close to letting the air out of a couple of cows. And people like that arent the reason that access is limited on private land, access is limited because there is money in hunting and ranchers exploit that. Its B.S. because they run their stupid cattle on public land, the only land that myself and most people have access to, the cows eat up the feed and change the land in various other ways, and they get in my way. And while this is going on the rancher is charging people access fees to get on his cattlefree land where the deer go, because they can get away from the cows. Long story short, I personally hate cattle and think it should be illegal to run freerange through hunting seasons. If you dont want you cows shot, pull them off the mountain."

Next time you eat a big mac, thank a rancher.
 
huntn30inchers, I can't believe that anybody would be so bold as to sympathize with these dipchits. I think that we've all been frustrated a time or two with livestock in our hunting areas. Like slamdunk says,"if you don't like it find another place to hunt". If grazing is done right it actually improves habitat. To put the blame on the cattlemen for this action is just about as stupid as the action itself. I suggest you rethink your position or give up bowhunting altogether. I hear that they have uninhibited hunting in Death Valley. Maybe you should try over there.

It's always an adventure!!!
www.awholelottabull.com
 
You're wacked!!!!! Been frustrated by wild horses, even a lil scared @ 30 yards but never a cow. Would drop a wild horse to save my horse, dog or myself without thinking twice but never a dumb, ignorant cow. How mindless and gutless!!!!!
 
Huntn30
I am one relunctant to be over critical of other hunters. I truly believe that unless we as hunters can learn to get along, and in many respects support each other, hunting as we know it will soon be gone. However your post is way over the top. I have had cows ruin many a stalk for me, I am exclusively an archery hunter, but never did I give a thought to or wish that I could shoot the cattle. I look at cattle as part of the environment, part of what you have to account for in your hunting activities. There is no way I think we as hunters should attempt to justify what happened to those Rancher's cows. It was wrong, and if it was a hunter that did it, a fact not yet determined, then I think it is important that we as hunters all agree to condem such illegal conduct!
 
hey 30 dont come on MMuleys and try to explain how cattle ruin your hunts a good hunter learns to adapt and when cattle is present If you would stop and think how cattle help up by strawberry you would have so much grass which is great for the deer and elk but what happens when we have a hot summer like we just had if we dont feed that down lighting strikes there you go look up on nebo they had cattle on that and look how bad that was.If there wouldnt have been cattle it would have burned even more than it did.there is a reason there why they put cattle on blm and F service dont you think that the F service would have them off the mountain if it was hurting the eco system .it was wrong who ever did this and dont condone it just because a cow screwed up your stalking methods in tha past.I hope they catch them and take away there hunting rights away for a good 10 years if they are young if he is older never hunt again later.
 
Wow, I talked to the game wardens this last weekend and gave them some good info which came from our camp. We were in the area when this cow shoot happened. One of our guys in camp saw a guy walking around the mountain with the same arrows in his quiver that were sticking out of the cows. Just so happens the idiot was up there again this weekend. Hopefully they got down to his camp and this guy gets caught soon. He is looking at a 3rd Degree Felony which in the state of Utah, can be a 0-5 at the prison.
 
Were they 30's arrows?

You dumbass 30. Didn't your Daddy teach you anything? Your post took some balls that is for sure. Put 30 on the list of suspects. Anyone who screws with a man's income needs his ass whooped and I hope these thieves get caught. They are not archers, they are crook thieving cheesedicks.
 
Nicely said everyone, thanks for backing me up on this post!
I have read a lot of "ballsey" replies before on here, but 30's takes the cake as the worst!!
With this kind of attitude, i think he needs to find a new place to play.
Not too mention he probably needs to be investigated like KTC said!!

Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
What kind of arrows was the joker using?? I know some people that hunt around that area that would do things like that, but I don't know if they were over in Clyde Creek. If I hear anything be sure that the DWR will get a call from me ASAP.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-04-07 AT 06:04PM (MST)[p]I agree that these guys are not archery hunters. They aren't hunters of any kind. Anyone think they could be anti's just trying to make us all look bad? If someone proficient with the bow wants to kill a cow it's not much different than shooting at a target!
 
Huntin 30 inchers, im yet to see a cow with a 30 inch spread so I think in your case they are safe? If there are too many cows where you hunt, and your that frustrated, Ill help you out with a little advise...are you ready....FIND A DIFFERENT SPOT......




IM OUT
 
30incher, you've been questioned and condemned by more than a few on here, but I have a question a bit different for you.

Has anything the others have said or asked about you sunk in yet, or do you still subscribe to the ill-considered blather that you posted? If you've had second thoughts about any of what you said, perhaps you should hit the "edit" button and erase some of the ignorant comments you've posted for the world to see.

If you still stand by your comments, I'll respect that you stand by your beliefs; but will also ask that you drop from Monster Muleys and go spread your cancerous thoughts where they'll be more warmly received. PETA might be a good starting point, you seem to think like they do.

Your perception of "right vs. wrong" seems to need some serious adjustment.
 
The arrows were almost, if not full length. Carbon arrows, camo patterned, cabelas brand. Fletched as follows, Two Flo Red, 1 white, Flo. Green nock. Again, it would be nice to catch the person who did this as it gives all of us a black eye.
 
CAelknuts-
LMAO, that was awesome!!!
I wish i could add something to what you just said, but it was absolutely perfect!!



Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
>BTW- I am an archery guy
>who has just moved back
>to UT after many years
>in NM

Sorry to hear it. Hehehe...
 
Hey 30incher - this would be about the time that you come on here and say something to this affect, "yep, I was a dipchit/dumbarse/numbnut/idiot...etc., but I've repented and changed my ways. I see now that my thoughts and words were idiotic at best, and I have converted to the side of the law abiding, hard working, property respecting hunters that 99.9% of you guys are here on MM. Thank you for pointing out my deranged thought processing ability and helping me see the light"....or something to that affect, or not.

It's always an adventure!!!
www.awholelottabull.com
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-05-07 AT 07:29AM (MST)[p]Well that drops the theory it could have been the people I was thinking, they only use aluminum but also I doubt they could have hit the cows unless they were already hit by a truck on the side of the road, they put in about as much practice as I do for catfish noodling. Thanks for the info, hopefully with that info someone will be able to narrow it down more and turn those losers in.

"If some animals are good at hunting and others are suitable for hunting, then the Gods must clearly smile on hunting"
-Aristotle
 
Huntn30inchers, Man I can see you must not have been a bottle fed child. Those teets you hate so much have provided for many a good soul over the centurys. They've provided quite a few things that most of us have used everyday of our lives.If it wasn't for that rancher out there providing water holes how much game would you have to hunt? It's time to wake up and smell the coffee and realize that those cows you dearly hate have provided more hunting opportunity across this country because of the income they generate then you will ever imagine especially out west. Don't bite the hand that has fed you son!
 
Have you ever thought of maybe this is revenge to this rancher.You guys have NO CLUE what both sides of the story are.Yeah it sucks someone would do this for the hell of it.
 
Its
>B.S. because they run their
>stupid cattle on public land,
>the only land that myself
>and most people have access
>to, the cows eat up
>the feed and change the
>land in various other ways,
>and they get in my
>way.

Spoken like a true tree-huggin', trail guardin', hairy-armpitted beeyotch lovin', 12 veggie sammich eatin', anti-huntin' city boy.
 
>Have you ever thought of maybe
>this is revenge to this
>rancher.You guys have NO CLUE
>what both sides of the
>story are.Yeah it sucks someone
>would do this for the
>hell of it.

Care to enlighten us then, Shane? What IS the other side of the story? Cuz I'd LOVE to hear the justification behind this one....
 
SO YOU JACK-ASSES THAT HAVE PROBLEMS WITH RANCHERS CAN'T SETTLE IT MAN TO MAN???

OR SHOULD I SAY MAN TO JACKASS???

I'VE MET ALOT OF RANCHERS IN MY DAY & ITS 100% JACKASSES LIKE YOU TWO ABOVE THAT CAUSE THE REST OF US PROBLEMS!!!

"REVENGE TO THIS RANCHER"???

WTF???

I'LL GUARANTEE IF I CATCH YOU OR ANYBODYELSE PULLING OFF A STUNT LIKE THIS YOU'LL WISH YOU HAD RUN INTO THE RANCHER OR THE GAME WARDEN FIRST!!!

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THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-06-07 AT 08:34AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Sep-06-07 AT 08:24?AM (MST)

How goes it,
Those %@$ &^!#*....they better pray that I don't find out who they are and get a' hold of them! There is absolutley no justifiable reason why an act this sensless should be committed. This is a giant slap in the face and insult to all hunters and the outdoors community! It's because of events like this that every non-hunter or non-archer in America, has all of us 'Stero-Typed' as the mullet wearing, redneck alchoholic hillbilly's who are blood thirsty and don't have any respect for anybody or their property! The majority of hunters' are usually pretty decent people...usually! This absolultey sickens me...it's disgusting.

Does anybody else besides me think that the "30 incher" dude might possibly be connected to this in some way? His original post sure sounded like he was trying to publically announce his support for what has happened. If I had any connections...I'd find out who this guy is, where he lives, ad drive to his house & interrogate him myself. Along with the $6,000 re-ward...I will personally administer an old fashioned ass kicking...I'm 6'4" 240lbs., bring it on!

STICK-FLICKER...Silent, But Deadly
-Buckhorn Archers (Castle Dale, UT)
-Timpanogos Archers (Orem, UT)
-Hell Hole Archers (Big Piney, WY)
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I am friends with sixgunn and they said that the guy was camped just down the canyon from them for two weekends in a row. Each weekend guys from sixgunns camp would call Wasatch DWR and they would take so long responding to the call that the tard would have time to pack his camp up and be gone. The guy would be hung if it didn't take 24 hours to get a fish cop to come up from Heber.

}}-SLIVER-->
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-06-07 AT 09:56AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Sep-06-07 AT 09:55?AM (MST)

Holy sh*t shane, your just as big of an idiot as 30incher!
You two seem to be on the same team playing russion roulette putting a loaded pistol to your head and giggeling about it!!!
You'd think if you watched your buddy walk in the fire and burn his feet, you'd be smart enough to not follow his lead.

Pull your head out, there is NO excuse for shooting cattle, you freak!!!
Better yet, go join PETA, they need guys like you!!



Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
Revenge to the rancher by shooting cattle.....well thats intelligent. No matter what other side of the story there is, how in the hell can a person justify sticking 6 arrows in 6 different cows. The arrows are all the same, so I assume the same person shot all 6 of them. When people decide to do crap like this with archery tackle, it slings mud on all bowhunters. Pisses me off, I hope the person who did it would be man enough to own up to it and pay the consequences for their shooting spree. What a bunch of B.S.
 
"Revenge to the rancher!!!!!" Come on!!! Some people's kids I tell ya... Shane, why don't you enlighten us and tell all of us how you are involved... I just so happen to know the guy who runs all the cattle up there and he is a great guy so that doesn't make any sense to me, but anyhow I would really like to know what the hell the motive behind some dumb arse shooting 6 cows is....
redelkarcher>>>------------------>
 
A few years back, I read a "letter to the editor" in our local paper. In this letter, a duck hunter was complaining about how unfair the hunting world had become. Specifically, landowners were posting "No Tresspassing" signs and locking gates.

A few days later, one of these landowners replied: "I do it because of all the idiot hunters cut my fences, leave my gates open, and have no respect for my property.

Its idiots like these cow killers and others who have no respect for anything that ruin it for the rest of us. Its unimaginable how someone could justify harming ones property/way of life.

99% of ranchers are great people and we are fortunate that we have them. Our public lands, believe it or not, serve us for things than just hunting.
 
30 incher; I really hope you are joking! HA HA you are funny!!! Like many of the guys have said THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR STEALING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FROM THIS RANCHER let alone creating a bad name for all types of hunting. This is just the kind of fuel the tree hugger groups and PETA need to help ban hunting. And for the other guy who said maybe its revenge and we dont know the whole story; I hope you are joking too!!! THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR IT; REVENGE OR STUPIDITY!

67Trinity_Its not just the stupid archery guys ruining it; there are many more modern rifle hunters that are doing stupid things every year.

IT ALL COMES DOWN TO BEING ETHICAL. MOST OF US ARE AND ITS THAT SMALL PERCENT WHO MAKE US ALL LOOK BAD.

PS- 30 incher is joking................... RIGHT?
 
Will someone on here please enlighten me?

I admit ignorance/stupidity on this issue.

Exactly what negative effect do domestic livestock have on your hunting opportunity?

The area where I live and hunt, for both deer and elk almost always has cattle grazing on it. We even have pack stock down from the mountains grazing with the elk. We hunt the same areas for upland birds and waterfowl.

With the rare exception of the agressive Beefmaster bull, I have never had an issue.

If you can't sneak around some of God's dumbest creatures, how can you possibly hope to stalk an elk or deer?

Now go easy on me boys, I already admitted I was stupid.

By the way, some 'tard kills a cow here every year or so with a shotgun during the bird seasons.
 
Cass,

Those blundts will bust ribs, blind, or otherwise wound cattle. Sorry, not funny.

I looked at the cow photo on the DWR site. Pretty sick. Unbelievable people have no more respect for a person/property/animal than that.
 
I know what blundts do to cows. I've seen it first hand. That's why i don't carry one anymore. I agree those people who shot those cows are just sick.




-Cass
 
I just thought that joke was not funny in light of what happened. Something to think about.
 
Looks like they caught the two kids who have been doin this.
Investigators received an anonymous tip!
KUDOS to the tipster!
 
So, my response to all of this got pulled. . . So anyway, I guess you guys win because its ok to get slammed but not to defend yourself. Lets try this again. Why dont one of you actually read what I said and try to understand this. I said in my first post that it was WRONG to shoot the cows. This basically means that I do not feel that it is acceptable behavior. Now Ill throw in the question that I think got the thread pulled in the first place. Why is it that you guys are ready to lynch 2 kids for shooting cows and me for saying that I dislike free ranging cattle but when a member of MM is found to be and convicted of being a notorious poacher who illegally killed several trophy mule deer you guys defend him like you would defend your mother?
 
Just a little info for #0incher and everybody else--there is no such thing as a FREE RANGE COW. The rancher pays a certain amount per head per month to the Government, And say 800 head of cows for 3 months on the range is a hellava lot more money than some hunter paying a resident hunting license and tag to go hunting. Whether you non cowlovers like it or not the public land is for Multiple use. In fact one of the guys we ride for has to pull his cattle off 2 weeks early because of the drought conditions so they are regulated too.
 
This is what you wrote 30inch:

"but I also understand why he did. To be honest I've been real close to letting the air out of a couple of cows."

You said much more than it was wrong. Look at the responses, it was your attempt to justify the conduct that the majority condemed. I stand by my post. As for your reference to DK, look at my posts regarding the same, I have been consistent throughout. The fact is we as hunters all lose when illegal conduct like the incidents mentioned happen. I believe it is important that we stand united to condem such illegal conduct.
 
Just because I have an understanding of what may have caused the behavior, doesnt mean that I endorse it. I understand why Mexicans flood over the border, does that mean that I think that it is ok or that I like that it is happening? No. And to address all of you who are telling me to "thank a rancher", and that they pay "way more" than the revenue made on hunting and fishing licenses, I think not, Its called the Pittman-Robertson Act, go look it up.

"In the Southwest, livestock grazing is the most widespread cause of species endangerment, affecting many federally listed threatened or endangered species. In dry regions, grazing wreaks catastrophic destruction on rivers, deserts, grasslands and forests over large areas-at very low productivity and with little economic justification. The desert's fragile ecosystems will take centuries to recover from the damage that's already been done."

"Livestock ranching on federal public lands is subsidized to the tune of at least $100 million annually in direct payments; indirect subsidies may be three times that. On the Tonto National Forest in Arizona in 2004-2005, ranchers were subsidized under just one federal program to the tune of $3.5 million for ?range improvements.?

"The ranching business would evaporate as suddenly as fur trapping if it had to pay market rates for the services it gets for free from the federal government. Private, un-irrigated rangeland in the West rents out for an average of $11.90, while grazing fees on federal lands are set at a paltry $1.79 per animal month (2005). Despite the extreme damage done, western federal rangelands account for less than 3% of all forage fed to livestock in the US. If all ranching on public lands in the West were suddenly called to a halt, beef prices would be unaffected." http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/swcbd/PROGRAMS/grazing/index.html
 
And next time that one of you wants to argue the economical benefits of free grazing can you please use some citable source and not try to enlighten my with your personal knowledge of everything western.
 
30 inchers:

Right on the money. I wish I would have discovered this post earlier. First, every study conducted by biologists on the subject reaches the same conclusion -- free range grazing on public land results in a significant adverse impact on not only the land, but all species of animals on the range, from trout in the creeks to deer in the sage to sheep on the peaks. There is an enormous volume of research on the subject, there is no reputable scientific evidence to the contrary.

Second, the subsidies handed out to "ranchers" is absolutely appalling. Tax dollars -- that's money out of my pocket - handed out to "ranchers" so that they can pursue what amounts to a hobby of chasing cows around public land on atvs and horses so they can pretend to be western. I get the douche chills just thinking about it.

Third, less than 2 percent of beef on the market comes from these so-called free range cattle. The vast majority comes from mid-western and Canadian feed lots. These "ranchers," who receive millions in subsidies, do not even produce enough beef into the market to justify the subsidies. This is nothing more than another failed welfare program.

In sum, there is no rational justification for free ranging cattle on public land. It significantly impacts the land and the animals on the land, including the animals that we hunt and come on this website to talk about.
 
30inch
Your response on attempting to justify the shooting of cattle by "archery hunters" proves my point. If we as a group (hunters) advance your agrument, rather than stand united in condeming, we will create just the kind of poster material the Anit-hunting group enjoys to use to promote anti hunting. Reall you think a reasonable argument is to equate 2 teenage "archery hunters" shooting cattle for no reason other than they may disagree with open range ranching(at least that would appear to be your justification), with poor desperate mexicans trying to come into a great country to find a better way of life? It is no comparison at all. Any attempt to make such a comparison is just silly. If we as a group adopt that position we look pathetic. Again, regardless of your disagreement with free grange ranching, we as a group should stand united againt such clearly illegal conduct. Taking your logic further, if we disagree with the ever expanding use of ATVs, even legal and restricted use, we should justify those that illegally destroy anyone's ATV. Furhter, if we disagree with people who use tree stands then it is perfectly okay that someone destroys treestands as a matter of practice. If we disagree with the use of trail cams, fine lets support the illegal destruction of all trail cams found in the forest. The fact is these teenagers engaged in illegal conduct that reflects poorly on hunters as a group. Rahter than attempting to find a way to justify their conduct I say stand together and make it clear that we as a group do not accept them as true hunters and condem their illegal activity.
 
30inch.

Guess I should respond since I started this post.

The reason for the post was and still remains. If someone commits an illegal act while hunting and the news reports that act, it gives all hunters a bad name. The free-ranging cattle debate is another issue. The fact remains, two kids are responsible for an illegal and immoral act. I have hunted with many whom did not approach hunting as a cherished sport that we are losing every day. Each time that they did something that I did not see as ethical, I quit hunting with them. Needless to say, I now pretty much hunt by myself, because people just do not understand the gift that we have been given, the right to hunt. I understand that you may not agree with the free ranging cattle issue, however, to say that you have thought about shooting a cow and also trying to defend these teenagers whom did, is just wrong. No matter how you try to change the subject, the fact remains that an illegal, unethical and in my opinion, immoral act was committed and should be punished to the full extent of the law. I believe that you can agree with that statement. Am I wrong?
 
Good hell, caelkhntr, did you even read 30's post? He is clearly not trying to justify the shooting of those cows.

To 30: When on this site, please try to write only the most simple of thoughts in your posts to avoid this type of backlash. It also helps if you spell every other word incorrectly.

To Triple K: Take the chew out of your mouth and realize that you are never going to win the Most Western Gal Contest.

To Robert Bess: As usual, you are literally the most embarassing human being I have run across.

To ktc: a little less whiskey, a little more spell checker before you click the "Post Message" button.
 
Yes Hog I did read his post, did you? This is what he wrote:

"Ya know, I feel very different from you guys about this issue. I do think that it was wrong to have shot the cows, but I also understand why he did. To be honest I've been real close to letting the air out of a couple of cows."

In my book 30inch is attempting to justify this illegal conduct. Fact is, there is no justification, it was illegal, immoral, unethical and puts all hunters in a bad light. Stating that you understand why a fellow "hunter" would illegally shoot cattle during an archery deer season reflects very badly on all hunters. Trying to equate this illegal conduct to poor desperate mexicans trying to better their lives by illegally crossing our borders, further illustrates the absurdity of the attempt to justify such illegal conduct. If we as hunters can not come together and agree to condem this type of conduct, my concern that hunting as we know it is coming to an end, will happen even sooner than I have previuosly feared.
 
67,

You are the first person to make any sense with any response that has been put up. I actually started writing a response last nigh but had other things that I needed to do so quit, but I basically wrote the same thing, my feeling on cows is a completely separate issue that frankly I am tired of talking about and that doesn't even matter. I am going to stop trying to explain to you people that I don't think that it is ok and just say, Yes, I am glad they did it and I think it is funny. That is what you guys want to hear so there it is.

And CaElk, you ought to review your posts before sending them out. You said "In my book 30inch is attempting to justify this illegal conduct. Fact is, there is no justification, it was illegal, immoral, unethical and puts all hunters in a bad light." You then made reference to my example of Mexicans ILLEGALLY COMING INTO THIS COUNTRY AND ABUSING OUR RIGHTS that they are not entitled to because they are not legal citizens. To that you wrote, "Trying to equate this illegal conduct to poor desperate Mexicans trying to better their lives by illegally crossing our borders, further illustrates the absurdity of the attempt to justify such illegal conduct." Read what you wrote dummy! You are trying to justify "such illegal conduct" yourself, because as far as I know it is still illegal to come into this country outside legal avenues whatever the reason. You are doing the same thing that I did so we are in the same boat bud. I am really tired of listening to all of you pseudo-intellectuals over-analyzing what I wrote, some of you really need to work on your reading comprehension and read my first post and tell me what you think.
 
30inch maybe my proof reading skills need improvement but the point you refuse to admit is that there is a huge difference between attempting to justify what a desperate Mexican is doing and what 2 teenage kids did inshooting cattle.

Can I understand why the Mexicans are illegally crossing our borders? Yes. Does that make it any less illegal no. Is it unethical or immoral for the Mexicans to attempt to do so, not sure about that one.

Now as a hunter can I understand why 2 "archery hunters" would shoot cattle NO! Would I ever attempt to justify it NO! Does the fact that fellow "hunters" engaged in such conduct hurt hunting in general YES. So I think that any attempt by fellow hunters to explain how they could understand why a "hunter" would shoot cattle, and how they harbored similar thoughts, negatively impacts our hunting community. So dumb as you may think it sounds I believe it is important for all hunters to stand united against such illegal conduct.
 

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