CDA responds...

That was very well done, IMO, and covered most of the same thoughts and issues i had with the proposed plan.

I'd like to hear of our Fish and wildlife's response to this letter.

Thanks CDA!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
Wow! Maybe CDA gets it after all. I should think about becoming a member again. Unfortunately though, they accurately articulated the most important problem with the plan in their first point--that DFW doesn't really care what anyone else thinks. They're gonna implement the plan despite the outcry from hunters and conservationists. I'd love to know when the plan was even posted for public comment to be submitted. Seems like it was quietly posted before or right after the public comment deadline.
 
>I should
>think about becoming a member
>again.

I think you should. What didn't they get before?

It definitely appeared to be smuggled through with little time for public comment. Everything that I've heard thus far, ALL have been opposed to this new plan. Hopefully we can do some house cleaning in the commission soon.
 
CDA makes a helluva lot of money in this state. Where does it go? They've taken over the mgmt of an area that was intended for public use and turned it into a another money-maker for them by issuing tags through auction rather than lottery and completely ruining the intent of the acquisition. That's just a couple for starters.
 
Sounds like you are talking about the Big Chico Creek Ecological Reserve which is owned by Chico State. CDA has not taken over the management of the area, that is solely the responsibility of the university. The university approached CDA about helping with the hunting program; taking on the draw system and coordinating with hunters that drew, etc. The university doesn't have expertise in managing a hunt program. If I am correct, there are about 15 deer hunts available by a draw system and another 3 that are offered at CDA banquets in the auctions. The money that is generated from the auctions goes back to the habitat account which is allocated back to "one the ground projects" I have been involved with CDA for many years and have been in the field on youth hunts and habitat projects that directly help hunters and our natural resources. I have worked side by side with dedicated volunteers in our great state that want to make a difference and make deer hunting better on public land. We have a ways to go but thankfully, there are good nonprofit conservation groups like CDA out there that put their money where their mouth is.

Furthermore, the CDA Project Committee, which is staffed by volunteers, makes the decisions on how and where the money will be spent each year. Millions of dollars have been put into projects that help deer herds and deer hunting in California. I have been to the Project Committee Meeting every year for the past 9 years and I can tell you that CDA put money on the ground. It is a great organization that is making a difference.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-25-15 AT 09:03PM (MST)[p]I will make another $100 donation to CDA, the day that they receive a progressive response from DFW. A response that shows any willingness whatsoever, that DFW will revisit the proposed plan.

DFW, in spite of being predominately funded by hunters, no longer holds hunter concerns, or future opportunity, in any regard.

In the current plan, DFW has set a goal of making California the first State in the country, to ban hunting altogether, in every venue.

"If you get upset or offended by ANY website forum
post.....especially mine, you need serious
intervention!"
 
Yes, you are correct. I am talking about the BCCER. And No, you are not correct on the rest. CDA basically wrestled it away from who was administering the draw and managing the unit. I personally know the biologist in charge and his intentions and integrity are not in question. The BCCER was purchased with taxpayer dollars with the understanding that a portion of it would be open to PUBLIC hunting. Because of the area's size, this was accomplished via a draw for the turkey and deer hunts with a nominal application fee. Then, CDA basically stole it away from DFW and now uses it to make money for their own selfish purpose. They have a lottery for the Turkey hunts and auction off the deer hunts at their dinners. To my knowledge, the general public no longer has access to the BCCER without paying big coin at a CDA dinner. That was not the intent of acquisition.
 
In your response to CDA taking over the BCCER, I think you really need to do your homework before you pipe off! CDA DOES NOT manage the BCCER and whoever your buddy is, you might want to rethink who he really is and what he does there. If you want the correct answers you might want to go up there and ask the caretakers and go to DFG and find out the truth for yourself. Get your facts straight before going off.
 
Mallards_Only, you are incorrect sir. The reserve was purchased with public money, yes, and it was for public use and research and classroom activities for the University, etc. With all the interest and being close to a fairly large city, they couldn't make it a type C WA where anyone can go hunting for whatever was open, anytime. Talk about pissing off the flower pickers and mountain bikers. They have a good hunting system where you put in for a lottery drawing and if chosen, can go hunt and they close off access during the hunt to other forms of recreation, from what I have heard from the staff there, it works great. CDA didn't "wrestle away" any management of the unit or the hunt program. CDA doesn't not manage the property in any way. You say that "CDA stole the hunting away from DFW and make money for their own selfish purpose", whatever. I told you in the last thread that the BCCER does give CDA a few hunts that are available at the auctions, but the vast majority of the hunts are for lottery that anyone can apply for. CDA is a great organization, I have been involved for a long time and have seen a lot benefits, a ton actually. Hunters need to get involved in a conservation organization, whether it is RMEF, CWA, Pheasants Forever, CDA, whatever your passionate about. Many great things are happening out there; hunter education classes, youth hunts, habitat projects, new hunter seminars, etc. We will continue to lose ground if we don't stand together and get things done.
 
Smackdown, Thanks! you are absolutely right on. We as hunters in this state need to stand together,and preferably behind a reputable conservation organization like CDA.The old adage "divide and conquer" holds true.Yes the DFW hasn't been our friend as of late, but I think this new deer plan has "woke up" the dedicated employees in the department. A local biologist here in the Eastern Sierra said that most of the senior biologists in the state are opposed to the plan. It looks like the 10 deer conservation units will be put in place, but for evaluation only. The 44 units will remain the same, and with the yearly evaluated quotas. As far as CDA and dollars, seventy five percent of the money raised goes back on the ground in either habitat, research, or education projects. Go to there website at caldeer.org and look where the money is spent. Remember guys, we need to stand together and make a voice, and let the department know how we feel about the new deer plan. Don't let the antis win!

Thanks

Brownie
 
Go Brownie. CDA has done some good work and is still doing it.

I think we would be worse off without CDA, MDF, MCBA, etc. Glad to have them working on our behalf.

Snoop
 
LAST EDITED ON May-27-15 AT 06:41AM (MST)[p]Obviously, we have a few CDA kool-aid drinkers here. I am intimately aware of what went on with the BCCER. Perhaps, you guys should do your homework and get the facts from somewhere other than what CDA tells you.
And while you're at it, ask CDA for their annual budget showing how much money they generate and what it is used for.
 
your killing me Smalls, I have talked to the former manager at the BBCCER and he said that they really appreciated the CDA's involvement and it would have been really difficult to even have a hunt program without it. Like I said before, I have been involved with CDA projects, on the ground projects, and they have their stuff together.
 
You have to remember that the manager of the Reserve was CSUS, a fairly liberal university with a faculty that was opposed to hunting on the Reserve. The mere fact that they're happy with the way CDA is running it should tell you something.
 
Hey Mallards, it's easy to see you've got it in for CDA, somewhere you feel like you got cheated out of your hunting spot, thats not my problem. The problem is the DFW's new deer plan. If you want to keep hunting in this state, you need to band together with fellow hunters and conservation orginizations like CDA, to oppose this plan, and all of the other anti hunting tools that are being proposed. Lets get together and fight this thing.You can complain all you want, but until you take action, your being part of the problem, not the solution. I hate being the boy that called wolf but if you look at the big picture in front of us right now, hunting is on it's way out because we, as hunters sat around with our fingers up our a-- watching our privleges taken away a little at a time. Wake up! before it's gone.

Thanks

Brownie
 
I'm well aware of the big picture. I have been watching it unfold and pointing it out for years. I was responding to the questions/claims posed to me by others regarding CDA. As for doing anything about it, according to DFW, the public comment period is closed so what can I do?? This is the bigger picture within the big picture. This crap is gonna be ramrodded down our throats because it's part of the bigger agenda and we can't do anything about it because they really don't care to hear any public comment.
 
"Big Chico Creek Ecological Reserve which is owned by Chico State."

It seems kind of strange to me that CDA would put money and effort into a project like this. I guess it could have some educational value and a source of income. And I guess 15 public tags, at least until the mountain lions find it. And personally, I don't think we should teach anybody that it's a good idea to auction off our deer.

I know Chico State offers degrees in Wildlife Management and they're the ones who should be striving to use the property as a teaching platform. They should offer a course in habitat improvement and let the future biologists get their hands dirty, instead of just learning theory. It's called sweat equity. You learn more that way too.

I do like their comments to F&W though.

Eel
 
I have hunted the BCC reserve before after being drawn in the CDA drawing. Lets just say I was a tad bit surprised at what goes on out there. IF you don't "know" somebody in CDA you are at a great disadvantage. All the paperwork says they don't allow motorized access, so if you don't know better like me, you show up with a pack and your boots on prepared to hike your tail off only to find some CDA folks and whoever they know that year that got drawn in a sideby motoring up the roads taking the hunters they are "helping" wherever they want to go.

They told me if I got one down they would help me haul it out if they had time.

Needless to say my impression of the place is that its basically a private playground for the few CDA and their friends. Out of the kindness of their hearts they allow a few "commoners" to access it every year, albeit access it on foot only while they cruise around in a side by.
 
BINGO! Just part of the fraudulent management by CDA and witnessed by personal experience rather than at a CDA kool-aid festival. Some of you guys need to explore the facts rather than believe what you are being told by CDA.
 
Mallard, at least we're drinking something. I don't know all the details regarding who did what at BCCER. Whatever the case, I've heard both sides.
I've been a CDA committee member for maybe a decade now. Before that MDF. I've seen and been apart of nothing but good things.
Maybe if it were 'California Mallard Association' you'd have a better attitude, I don't know. Regardless, these allegations shouldn't be used for reasoning not to join the organization.
I just hope we can all get our chit together very soon and protect our passion. I would love for my sons to enjoy the same hunting experiences as I have.
 
mallards_only, I have given this some thought because I didn't want to "shoot from the hip" and offend you in my response. I think what your problem is that you have eaten too many spoonies! It has been clinically proven that excessive northern shoveler consumption drastically kills brain cells AND causes hallucinations. In fact, and this has been proven by scientists that study these things, eating too much of one species actually causes you to resemble that species. I know, its crazy, but I bet that you actually LOOK and ACT like a spoony. Do you have a spatulated bill that you use to sieve crustaceans and plankton (bugs) from the pond bottom? Foolish behavior and pimp-like clothing also is attributed to eating too many northern shovelers. Another strange characteristic of eating too many spoonies is that your voice starts to sound like a spoony too! Spoonies don't actually quack, it is more like a croak. So, you are really a croaking, foolish, obnoxious, bug-eater.....that pretends to shoot mallards....and that's fraudulent.
 
When you don't have facts to support your agenda, start launching personal attacks to deflect the conversation. After all, it's the California, er liberal way.
 
smackdown, thanks. You've told me everything I need to know about CDA. Real classy.

Eel

It's written in the good Book that we'll never be asked to take more than we can. Sounds like a good plan, so bring it on!
 
I didn't think that was funny either!

Still though, i like the drafting of that letter. When might one expect a update?

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
Well........I guess this isn't going to be civil, no matter what. But, let me pose this question. In the same vein as those who critique the NRA, just exactly who and what is your alternative in the battle against those who want to trash your rights?
Groups of any sort have good and bad practices that not everyone is going to like.
The bottom line here is, they....CDA...have a voice, and the more members/supporters they have, the louder that voice is heard.

When the goal is reached, THEN take steps to alter what you don't like!

The battle is raging now and if you won't pull the trigger to help.......I don't know what to say to you.."......a dozen metaphors come to mind. It's $30.00 a year......you wasted more than that on beer last month!

Personally, I have not seen anything but good done by CDA and I admittedly have no knowledge of the practices at the area in question........nor do I care!

If my "mindless, blind support" is misplaced, give me the next option.......otherwise, I remain firmly on the CDA team.

"If you get upset or offended by ANY website forum
post.....especially mine, you need serious
intervention!"
 
Mallards_only,
Not sure where you think you get your BCCER info but you are way off base. BCCER would be nothing more than an outdoor classroom if CDA hadn't stepped in and put some money up. Believe me, that money was small potatoes compared to the purchase price, but it bought us a public hunting opportunity. Yes, it's a limited opportunity (10-15 hunters per archery, rifle C and G-1), but it's an opportunity none-the-less.

Its easy to criticize others efforts, but unless you have a better organization to get behind and put your money to,I say you're part of the problem, not the solution.

I am intimately aware of the whole CDA/BCCER involvement and there is no cool-aid here.
Hammnit
 
You are delusional. Perhaps, it's you who might want to do a little digging into the truth and facts behind the Reserve. I am intimately aware of what transpired since the inception.
 
To settle this disagreement likes shake hands and have an arm wrestling contest. To the winner goes the spoils and a free lifetime membership to SFW. I'll put my $30 on Hammitt.

+1 what Nick said.
 
Mallards_only: You must admit that you have gotten way off topic on this. The response letter written by the CDA is spot on and I beleive you have chosen the wrong battle. Agree or disagree with other CDA endeavors, this issue is something we ALL need to be concerened about..
If nothing else makes sense, remember...."the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Like 'em or not...we should all be behind them on this!
 
Hey guys, like it or not we're all hunters here. We shouldn't be fighting and acting like a bunch of little kids. This post was started about CDA'S response to the DFW'S proposed new deer plan, that if implemented will, overtime, severely impact your ability to get a deer tag. Like them or not CDA is in the fight to protect our hunting heritage, and don't forget the millions of dollars raised from there membership and fundrasing banquets, that is put back into projects to help the deer in this state. That is why the organization was started.Remember most of the money raised by MDF left the state to go to projects across the country. Mallard, sorry if smackdown hurt your feelings with his last post, but I thought is was kind of funny. Some people just don't have a sense of humor I guess!
Back to the intent of the first post, We have to stand together as hunters regardless of our own personal pet peaves,[BCCR]. So lets leave it behind us and stick together so we have a chance of letting the kids of the future, like Mulebuck's, be able to hunt deer. Remember the old adage "Divide and Conquor" Sounds like we are own worst enemy.

Thanks

Brownie
 
I have some respect for nickman, so I spent some time on CDA's website. I like a lot of what I see.

Remember the good old days when you bought a hunting and fishing license, tags and stamps, and paid taxes on hunting gear and you felt like you were supporting the State Fish & Game?

smackdown, FYI Spoonies are respectable waterfowl and many a young hunter got a good start hunting them. One of the prettiest too. After 50 years of duck hunting I still like them. I know you're not alone but please show a little more respect.

Eel

It's written in the good Book that we'll never be asked to take more than we can. Sounds like a good plan, so bring it on!
 
Eel.......if you want to join, I have a son in Redding on the CDA committee and I can hook you up with a seat for their banquet.......arguably the biggest CDA event of the year.......and a MAJOR hoot!
I have to warn you however, you will meet some great, like minded people and will end up attending dinners in other cities. I hit at least 4 a year.
Thanks for the research.
Good fishin' my friend!



"If you get upset or offended by ANY website forum
post.....especially mine, you need serious
intervention!"
 
I didn't intend for the thread to get off topic. I simply responded to the posts calling me a liar and asking for the reasons behind my comments. I won't sit back and allow false information to be spread without calling people out on it. I'm not gonna run off with my tail between my legs when someone challenges me.
If you look at my first post though, you'll see that I am in favor of the CDA's response to DFW. I also spoke with a biologist over the weekend and, despite what the DFW website says, the public comment period is not closed on this proposed plan. My understanding is that the DFW biologists are vehemently opposed to the plan for obvious reasons. But those in charge of coming up with the plan don't really care what they think because they have other agendas in mind.
 
Geeze, I was just kidding around. Trying to make the day go by a little faster. Sounds like we are all passionate about the resource and hunting in Cali. Lets agree on that.....oh, I admit, I shot three spoonies last year and I ate them!
 
I am against the California Department of Wildlife's new deer plan. In my mind they don't do a good job of game management now and it will be harder to by combining zones. This will also be used to cut back on the number of tags available. As far as how I feel about CDA...I used to be a supporter and donor. I stopped when I saw some in the leadership of CDA use the organization for their own hunting benefit. Enough said.
 
Thanks nickman, but my best buddy is very active here in the Eureka Chapter, so I would stay here.

Eel

It's written in the good Book that we'll never be asked to take more than we can. Sounds like a good plan, so bring it on!
 
I have been hearing for years about how good it was in CA in the old days. Wish I was there. I have to deal with the current days and raising three sons in a hunting tradition is not easy when the hunting conditions in our state suck so much. ALL of our hunting conservation groups should be supported. As stated above, WE ALL NEED TO STICK TOGETHER, or we will be ran into the ground. I believe we need to fight fire with fire. The comment was made that the enviros have more voice in the discussions. The have a loud voice, I will give you that, but we still need to support our side in every way we can or we are lost. We need to quit fighting each other and fight the other side. And eel, you really should come over for our banquet. Biggest in the state and quite a spectacle. I am the son Don mentioned and will put you up at my house and score you a ticket. The CDA President heads our local chapter and is a heck of a nice guy. One of the best businessmen I know and a straight shooter. If there was something sideways with CDA, he would not be involved. Period.

You can't kill one sitting on the couch!
 
>The CDA President heads our
>local chapter and is a
>heck of a nice guy.
> One of the best
>businessmen I know and a
>straight shooter. If there
>was something sideways with CDA,
>he would not be involved.
> Period.

X2. Donn is a great guy!
 

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