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southy10

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I was wondering how vernon was this year for deer. I would like to see some pictures if possible. I have enough points to draw vernon this next year and would like to hear about the deer out there... thanks
 
there are only a few and far between nice bucks anymore we have been chasing a big one out there, and we know the vernon just as well as anyone! ill post pics if we end up killing it. i mean there are quite a few 24inchers but nothing to big anymore!
 
uh the vernon has been the same for the last 5 years all bucks 21 inches wide! that unit is bad and really bad drawing odds!
 
i think the biggest one that has came off of there in a few years is the 236 nontypical 7x9 we killed last year on the muzzy hunt!
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-27-07 AT 07:53PM (MST)[p]I concur. Lots of bucks, very few are bigger than 21-22" wide. Here's the buck I took this past week on the Limited Vernon Unit (
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). Saw dozens more like him, and a couple that were a bit larger. I was generally disappointed in the size of the animals on the unit.
 
Nice buck!

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>uh the vernon has been the
>same for the last 5
>years all bucks 21 inches
>wide! that unit is bad
>and really bad drawing odds!
>


unless you get off the road, it it just as described.
there were a few great bucks taken, and some that were not taken,
but the odds do suck
 
Hey Southy10, how many times do I have to tell you to hold out for the Henry's? By the way what happened to that monster in the uintahs that would beat our tag team buck? just kiddin buddy whats up!
 
we killed a 25 inch 3 point that is ungodly its main beams are 28 and 30 inches long he is an awesome looking buck! then i found another buck that was only a 2x3 about 29 wide that our hunter missed right at dark. but it was fun!
 
So sounds like vernon is not as good as I thought but which limited entry draw is better vernon or book cliffs. I talk to the guys that go out to the book cliffs and they say it is great then I talk to the vernon guys and they say it is great also... matbe I should wait and put in for the henry's what do you all think book cliffs or vernon... We have horses and hunt all off of them so we get back into the high country I hear that book cliffs need 4 wheelers to get around out there my ole man wont touch a wheeler and vernon is right by the house.
thanks for the post
 
We had our hunters on great bucks daily which would score 170 plus. One muzzy hunter got a 31 5/8" 6 by 6 that scores 192. One killed a decent 27" buck in the 170's and our rifle client scored a 29" 7 by 8 not counting a couple broken cheaters. So yeah, there arent any good bucks at all! Plus there are atleast 3 great bucks alive and well and pushin' 200.
 
Yeah but darren nobody spends the time you do or get to hunt the property you do. You have to agree it needs improved.
 
I do agree that it could and should have some work done to it, I would love to see less tags on the unit so the bucks could get to the age to be true trophy class bucks, there are a number of great bucks taken every year from alot of great hunters. It is a very fun unit to hunt with the potential to see and harvest a great buck.
 
darren is my brother. And yes it isnt perfect, but guys who dont see good bucks give it a bad wrap. We spend tons of time and we find really great deer. Same goes for any L.E. unit. Draw a henry tag and dont work hard and you will not kill a great buck. 200 inch deer are so rare. But they do exist even on the "V". Keep the permits down, exterminate poaching and poachers and get mother nature to send some moisture and these genetics will build bucks with enuff bone on thier heads to keep me chasin' them forever. Ya'll do what you want.
 
BBChaser, I know whats there, we killed a 234 buck last year, and had two 200" plus bucks that got away this year. I spend all my time there. But where everyone spends the time out there you know where I mean there is not a buck over four yrs. old. The 192" muzzleloader buck you killed could've been three, it will be interesting to hear when he gets the results back. Its hard to beleive how many people shot yearlings opening weekend, I dont know why they even put in for a LE. My opinion too many tags.
 
yeah i agree 222desertmuley everybody needs to hold off and let some bucks grow up. that was a nice buck darren but imagine in a couple of years what he would have been!
 
I do agree that age is very important and they kill too many young deer. But 192 is 192! you would of pulled the trigger or your hunter, right? Sure he needed two more years, but 95% are dumping him. Vernon has good bucks and a ton of potential if managed right by the DWR. I just get sick of guys bad mouthing when they have no clue what they are talking about. (Not talking about you two, 243 & 222) Just my opinion though!
 
We sure wouldve shot it. It is a good thing the hunter which is a great guy, showed me pics of him a couple days before the hunt.
 
hey desertmuley i most likely would have pulled the trigger or our hunter but im just saying hopefully he got some jeans out he was a nice buck. i hope the one we killed last year (234) got some jeans out to! the one you guys killed would have been a big one in a year or two. if everybody would just hold off on the little ones!
 
Hey 222 and 243, lets go look at ruttin' bucks sometime. Or maybe cruise for sheds in the spring. I'll even throw in a chuckar or two. This site needs more guys like you, who get thier point across without being stupid and smarta$$y! PM me or just come to the House.
 
Wasn't trying to bad mouth the unit. You're right that I'm new to the unit. This was my first time hunting there. I drew the tag and spent a lot of time scouting through the summer any place that was public. It was exciting to see so many bucks! I found a real nice one in the summer, but I don't think he survived to the rifle hunt - at least I couldn't find him. After hunting hard for several days, hiking, sleeping in a tent, combing every nook and cranny with my Swarovski scope and bino's. I just wasn't seeing what I hoped to see: a couple crab-claw-horned ~26-27" bucks, tons of 20-23" 4x4's and one or two 23-25" bucks. Probably saw at least 20 bucks/day. I was really hoping to find a decent shooter, but couldn't find one.

Had a great time though and would love to draw the tag again, but I would approach the hunt with different expectations next time I think. I talked to several hunters that seemed to be seeing basically the same thing that I was.
 
Re-size "em! Or send them to me!
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-08-07 AT 12:50PM (MST)[p]I don't understand why you want to come on to the internet and tell everybody how great vernon is. If people want to think vernon is not worth putting in for let them think that. You guys will still get your clients and your money. This is what really makes me mad it all comes down to the almighty dollar now. Before you guys became outfitters you sure as h*ll wouldn't have been on here telling everybody how great vernon is. Just stop and think about it! This is just my opinion!
 
In a way I agree, but it's not like the draw odds can get much worse anyway. Maybe it WILL get worse after they open Thousand Lakes L.E. unit to general season next year. Those guys will have to put in somewhere!
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Nicediybucks,

you only have one post so i wouldnt even be talking shi$ and maybe hunters from out of state that want to put in will come here by thereselves and cant find anything and they want a guide. so who cares if its about the money if they want to pay it then they can. so just dont talk about it, you just get mad but in all the outfitters put in their time out there and find the animals so whats the matter with outfitters? lets hear it!
 
Who cares if I have one or hundred posts. This is just my thoughts on people coming on this site and telling people how great places are. You must be a outfitter. I don't have a problem with outfitters. I have a problem with them when they have to come on to a site where everybody and their dogs can read this stuff, and brag about there big bucks they kill. This only brings more and more people. I can see you must like the money, and who cares about the bucks lets just promote this place in till there gone. Like I stated earlier this is just my opinion.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-08-07 AT 02:27PM (MST)[p]Hot spotting is a bad idea, I've seen it ruin good spots in the past. That being said, Vernon really is no secret, and they only give so many tags, no matter how many people know about it.
 
well im actually a guide and whats the difference between an outfitter showing a picture and just a person? we put the time into so thats all that matters if a hunter dont higher an outfitter they just need to put the time in! i know a kid that put the time in and killed a 31 and a half inch 6 point without no guide so its just about putting in the time.
 
Let me change my mind. Vernon is a waste of time, blah blah blah. The deer really are small, blah blah blah. Nicediy is a great hunter and all outfitters are evil spawn of satan, blah blah blah. I know absolutley nothing about that unit and have never eben been there, blah blah blah! Everyone on the planet should and WILL put in for the Henry's. IS THIS SARCASM THICK ENOUGH??? We all have our opinions bonehead. Those of us who like certain spots have our reasons. Those of you who disagree can draw YOUR tag in 30 years after seeing UNSUCCESSFUL over and over and over. And Me and My stupid clients will keep seeing great deer where ever we decide to hunt. But IT sure won't be Vernon!!! 222 & 243 know exactly what I mean.
 
I have been fortunate enough to be able to have a tag for this unit once myself, as well as go along for two other hunts with my dad. Is the unit what it was when it first opened back up? Absolutely not. Are there big bucks around every bend? Nope. But there are still some there. It is a laugh for someone to say these guys are just ?boosting? the area to draw clients. They make a living on the unit and I am sure they know it as good as anyone and they know where the big bucks hang. You can't just go to a unit whether is Vernon, Books, Henry?s, Kaibab, Paunsugant?anywhere?and expect to see the big boys roaming everywhere you look.

I agree that everyone has a preference on where they hunt. Personally, I love the terrain and the style of hunting it takes in the West Desert. Now, why couldn't we start bashing this ?horrible? unit 6 years ago? I'm finally at enough points I have a decent shot to draw. If we would have started way back when we could draw every year!
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-11-07 AT 05:33PM (MST)[p]MM site won't let me edit the post after 300 minutes (to reduce the picture size). Sorry. I'm open for suggestions though.
 
Birds of a feather stick together. I really don't give a sh*t what you think Darrel, before you guys started making money on Vernon you wouldn't of been on here bragging it up. Thats a FACT.
 
NICEDIYBUCKS,

you just need to shut up are you gonna say something about me? and how are we bragging it up we talk about what we see out there so how we bragging we killed a 234 last year and killed some other nice bucks plus some that our hunters have missed. we just talk about what we see
 
So if you brag up an area as a hunter and share your love of hunting with others lucky enough to pull a tag that you don't have, thats awesome? That makes you a great guy and everyone gives you credit. BUT if you happen to guide, then your a bloodsucking leach who only wants cash and to ruin every limited unit you possibly can, RIGHT? Some of us take offense to your limited thought process and we really like being called liars. Why don't you get to know our true ambitions and ideals before sticking the spurs to us? Oh yeah, that would require a little work and research as to what kind of guides we are. It's much easier to pop off on here because of bad experiences or lack of knowledge. I know im wasting my breath, but who cares? I'm just a useless, dumb butt guide who wants to ruin Vernon and buy an island with all my clients cash. Aloha Ya'll!
 
I have 9 deer points and I am thinking of putting in for Vernon.
What will you guides charge for your services?
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-07 AT 08:57PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-07 AT 08:56?PM (MST)

albubba

Why don't you pm me. I know this area as well as anybody, and I will send you in a direction to kill a good buck it won't cost you a dime. That way you can look at it on your wall and be proud of a DIY buck. How can you feel good about a buck that someone else finds for you. PS It's not about the money I buy what I want. PS bigbuckchaser you said that if they will spend some time out there they can find there own deer and you are right. I do agree with you on that. So if the hunter takes time off of work it would be cheaper than paying you, and he would get more satisfaction out of his DIY BUCK. What what do you have to say about this bigbucks243?
 
nicediy, you do not get it! Albubba, the unit is really accessable if you'll hike a little. Good luck to ya and post your pics so we all can enjoy them. (Even us worthless guides) I think I'm done on here for a bit. It is great to disagree but i hate getting told what i think by the north end of a south bound mule. Anyway, wahoo for big bucks! 243 & 222 i'll keep in touch.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-15-07 AT 01:17AM (MST)[p]Hey nicediybucks. if you tell albubba where to go kill a buck that youve seen, Isn't that kinda sorta like guidein him to it ??? hows he gonna get that great done it all myself feeling if you have told him where the good bucks are hangin out at ??? I think its best if the most help we give him, is just explain where the pony express road meets hiway 6, just so he knows which side of the road to hunt on. Any more info then that, and it aint a REAL DIY buck. I know i wouldnt wanna talk to friends or forest rangers or fishcops or ranchers or people on a huntin forum or especialy hire a guide to find my buck. its just not the same if you haven't done it All yourself.
 
beardog

I agree with you, but I didn't say I would tell him right where a good buck would be. I said I would send him in the right direction. I don't think bigbuckdonkeychaser or bigbuckbbgun understand what I am saying. I haven't said they are bad people because they guide. I have stated I don't agree with them coming on to a public forum and talking about the big bucks on the unit. Like I have said before it is all about the money. If they like that more power to them.
 
nicediybucks,

if you know the unit just as good as anyone lets hear and see some pictures of some deer you have seen out there!
 
nicediybucks..........using your theory, everyone should be doing their own dental work. Much more impressive if you DIY.

What do you do for a living, do people hire you for anything?

Pretty much pisses me off, how everyone knocks guides for providing a service that is no different than any other trade....except that guiding is FUN and most people don't see it as work.

Guides are no different than anyone else in the service business....they do a job that others are unwilling to do for themselves.
 
Lets see dental work and deer hunting. You go nickman. You really told me didn't you. You guys are something else. You really must want some action don't you bigbuckbbgun.
 
Not since I was a pup. You still sporting the rainbow sticker in your truck window ?
 
Came back from chasing cows tonite and saw a great 185 buck . He was ruttin hard and sure was beautiful. Great backs and awesome fronts and a good 27-28 wide. If you would like his exact GPS coordinates, I'll SELL them to ya nicediy. I'll start the biddin' at $100 million dollars!(Finger in side of mouth, bald head and gray polyester suit) Saw lots of chuckars 222 & 243. Going bear hunting all turkey day weekend, but then we should go. Nickman is invited too!
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-19-07 AT 01:13AM (MST)[p]BBC.....I can get all over that deal! Thanks for the invite. If you saw lots of chukar, you are livin' way far from me....I think I have seen about a dozen all year. I would PM you but......
 
I can see it now. You all have rainbow stickers don't you? You can act like you are going chuckar hunting, but you really are just going to hang out with the guys. You all are a bunch of Fags! I didn't see that coming. By the way good job telling everybody that there is chuckars here too. You guys rock!!!
 
Up until now, I have put up with your whiny sh!# and just figured you had a big mouth. But you have officially pissed me off jacka$$! How would you like to drive on out here to Vernon and see what a can of whoop ____ feels like? Naw, you'll hide behind your keyboard and keep being lippy won't ya nicediy. Please quit being a coward and quit taking cheap shots. I hope you go on a do it yourself adventure (which for you is going by yourself to walmart and riding the electric horsey and then "hunting" huge bucks on the arcade game) and a bear eats you. And then poops yo out and eats you again. There are also sage grouse, blue grouse, coyotes, elk, snipes, hoot owls, zebras, red stags, and hippos(If nicediy brings his wife/girlfriend) everywhere on the vernon unit. And if anyone wants to know exact locations of every buck from spikes to 700 inch typicals, just call us outfitters and we'll take ya and show you for free!!! Holy ____, nicediy! Pull your head out!!
 
That is a pretty good one there bigbuckdonkeychaser. That even made me laugh. This stuff really seems to be getting to you. The bottom line here is you are just going to keep running your mouth about this unit, and everything that lives on this unit. I really don't understand this, but that is the way it's going to be. I hope you and your rainbow boys have a great chuckar hunt if thats what you want to call it. P.S If you really want to meet up just tell me the time and the place! Also I am going to beat bigbuckbbgun to this. Way to tell him bigbuckdonkeychaser. Have a really colorful kinda like a rainbow life boys.
 
nicediy, go back and read southy10 original post about vernon. All i was doing was giving him a little info. For free!!! Never mind about the reading. Sorry to bring it up since all you can do is color. Thanks nicediy mommy for pushing all those letters for the little fella. And any time, any place, just bring ya a peanut butter sandwich and a flashlight and realize you'll be missing most of your main motor functions when were done:) How about you have you're opinion and let me keep mine? Just a thought!
 
I am kinda seeing an issue here myself. Not sure I understand all the hostility from the "do to yourselfer"....it never affected me, or anyone I know of, like that. Maybe your'e doing it to yourself way too many times a day. That is an observation, not an acusation.

Get over it. You act like the Vernon unit/area is some huge undiscovered secret in the west. Not.

Personal attacks on here will ultimately not endear you to many folks....I'd advise that you may have already "pooped in your oatmeal", as it were. Sweetie!
 
Just to get this out of the way .243 this is my first post. I have been looking on MM for 2 or 3 years now, GREAT JOB TO EVERBODY AND THEIR HARVESTS AND LOTS OF GREAT PIC'S. I have read alot of posts but this one is very odd, it turned out to be the Vernon & Goshen boys, and some *ickman who is looking for some cheap guide rates if he remembers to put in, IN MARCH... My opinion is that DIY basically is the only one sticking up for going out, scouting, and KILLING YOUR OWN DEER THAT YOU FOUND BY YOURSELF. Where are all the people that did not let the guy from Texas shoot the GENERAL??? It is the same thing. How many people have gone on a guided hunt, killed a nice deer, had it mounted, got it on the wall, and when people walk in, see it, and say where did you kill that nice buck? They say I went on a guided hunt, the guide spent all summer paterning this deer, I had to get up @ seven O'clock, get dressed, get in the warmed up truck, drank my coffee while driving 2 blocks to the vernon hay feild, got out and walked 15 ft. to the fence I mean 50 ft. and I shot it, back @ the house by 10:00 and on the road back to the city and civilization. NOT!!!!!!!!!!! I was raised by my father and grandfather that hunting is a great opportunity and we should appreciate it , NOT EXPLOIT IT. BY THE WAY BIGBUCKCHASER DID YOUR DAD ALSO TEACH YOU TO BRING SOMEBODY'S WIFE INTO AN ARGUEMENT??? THAT'S GOT TO BE EMBARRASSING NOW. Sorry if I offended any true sportsmen.
 
DIY/240 Graff......the object of switching sign-on accounts is to get away from the one you already wrecked. Won't do much good to get a new account and then show back up and make a fool of yourself all over again.

Either way, neither of you obviuosly, have ever been on a guided hunt.

Pretty amazing how well some guys can "fort up" behind their keyboard.
 
Graff- Your argument can not hold water- Unless you are hunting with a Guide inside a pen. You make it sounds like it is as simple as someone finding you a deer, marking it, and you wake up one morning, walk up to it and kill it.

Bottom line, you still have to know how to hunt even if you are with a guide.

I have hunted when guides have been present. I still glass, i still spot deer, i still have to make the stalk, i still have to make the shot.

Granted- there are people who can not and do not know how to hunt and want guides to do everything for them. Im sure most on this board are true hunters and if they were to hire a guide it is because of their expertise of the land. Unfortunatly we can't all live where we hunt and dont have the time it takes to scout and learn an area- Especially an LE unit that may take 8, 10, 12 years to draw.
 
Okay kids, go to your rooms.

Opinions are like arses. Everyone has one and all but mine stink. JK

No one is right or wrong here, so stop all the name calling and threat making nonsence.
 
Nickman,
Nope I have never been on a guided hunt. I have had some freinds and relatives go and they have killed some nice animals, but from what I can tell they seem to be just as proud or prouder some of the smaller ones that they have taken on their own.

Derquart,
You are right, I went a little bit overboard, there are alot of people out there that love to hunt but do not have time to go out and spend the time scouting that still hunt very hard even with guides, and there are guides that make you hunt hard as well. I guess that if they are happy then so be it. I will continue going without a guide, because I know the area well and love to go look and see what is out there, and also to try to better my knowledge.

Back to the earlier DIY post about not telling everybody about what exactly is in a specific unit, whether it is for proffit or not, NOBODY likes to see an area that they have grew up in and learned to hunt on advertised. Everybody knows that change is inevitable, you just sure hate to see it.

One upside to promoting an area is that maybe more serious hunters that are looking for a trophy, that aren't afraid to eat tag soup will start applying so that there will be some young bucks left to grow to maturity, wouldn't that be something.
 
I think I'll apologize to nicediy and anyone else who is offended by my comments. I was just joshin' ya and I sincerly hope your feelings will recover entirely. I was wrong and you were right and that is that. I will never again offer advice, be of service to someone, or take folks out hunting(even my children) as a guide or otherwise. I hope ya'll know how bad I feel and when my confidence returns I hope to come back to MM. Until then, i hope you will all become self-absorbed hermits and never, ever help anyone with anything remotely associated with hunting or the outdoors in general. I would wish you good luck, but that is against the rules as well, so i will just say may you hunt alone forever and may you never have to go through what is this living hell that i am cursed with. I only wish there was some kind of re-hab center for ex-guides and outfitters that could make withdrawls a little easier. But alas, I will trudge on and overcome. Again, i offer my heartfelt and sincere apology and i hope you can find it in your hearts to forgive. And for the record, there are zero bucks worth your time on Vernon and you will be lucky to even see a single deer. That goes for the rest of the universe as well. We should all take up golf or badmitton or sewing.
 
BBC........You are way too nice.

...Grandaddy's advice..."never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"

I will give up on these guys too.
 
Nickman & BBDC

Look who is still running there mouths on here. I got my point across. I really don't care who agrees with me or not. I have never said people are bad because they guide other people. I don't have problems with people guiding. I have a problem when they come on here, and brag places up. That was my point, and this is what it turned into a big joke. I won't post anymore on this subject. If nickman & BBDC want to talk more about this please feel free to private message me.
 
Everybody's place gets talked about sooner or later,
I keep telling people to quit talking about all my hunting spots after 40 years of hunting I have a bunch and I don't want any johnny come late guys to hunt them. Open eyes and look around.It's your spot turn <LOL>
 

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