My dad and I just returned from a guided Mule Deer hunt in Utah this past weekend and I wanted to get some opinions on whether we got a fair deal. My dad arranged the hunt in February of 2007. The hunt was quite expensive, but the outfitter promised we would be hunting 170 to 190 inch mule deer. We paid half the fee ($5,500) for a 2x1 guided trophy mule deer hunt in Utah in March. In July we had not heard from the outfitter so we called and he said we had to pay the other half before the landowner would give him the permits so he sent him another $5,500 cashier's check. We got to the DNR on Monday and were told that there was a 26 inch buck in the area. We reminded him we needed 2 tags filled to which he replied "We will find you another one." We met up with the guide and after two days of unsuccessfully locating any deer bigger than a three pointer we became a little frustrated. The guide, sensing our frustration told as us if we were ok. I replied that it did not appear that he had the knowledge of the area and I asked how long he had been scouting and working the area. He replied that the outfitter had contacted him four days before our hunt started and he had only spent a few hours in our area prior to our hunt. We hunted hard for four and half days and never found any trophy deer. Did the outfitter live up to his end of the deal? Did we get robbed? What can we do? In my opinion the outfitter set us up to fail and did not properly prepare for our hunt.
Please help: Outfitter Experience Problem
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To get your money back, there is not anything you can do. Call the outfitter directly and talk to him about it. Otherwise file a complaint with the G&F and the BBB. If not illegal was done, there really isn't much you can do besides spread the bad experience. And tell the outfitter you plan to do so.
It's Bush's fault!!!
It's Bush's fault!!!
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thebuckstopshere
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1 - I think the guide feels as bad as you - - assuming the guide question on this forum is "your" guide.
2 - It sounds like an overall bad experience, but buyer beware, you were promised something you should already KNOW that nobody can guarantee. You paid the money to hunt the land, not to be guaranteed to kill a deer, so you sure didn't get robbed, maybe jobbed (legally taken) though.
3 - I see people on here time after time telling people to do their homework on outfitters and this sounds like just the reason why people say that.
2 - It sounds like an overall bad experience, but buyer beware, you were promised something you should already KNOW that nobody can guarantee. You paid the money to hunt the land, not to be guaranteed to kill a deer, so you sure didn't get robbed, maybe jobbed (legally taken) though.
3 - I see people on here time after time telling people to do their homework on outfitters and this sounds like just the reason why people say that.
My dad had previously used this outfitter four or five years ago, and had a terrific hunt. However, it was obvious in comparing the first hunt to this hunt that the outfitter had lined the guide up previous to the hunt and the guid had time to scout the area. I would not have had a problem if he would have just sold us the tags to hunt it ourselves. The inclusion of a guide creates an expectation that they know more about the area than the hunter. The guide was embarrased and felt horrible, the issue is not with the guide it is with the outfitter.
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Maybe you should just say who the outfitter is, and we could help you out. This is a forum to to help other hunters out in situatoins like this. Lets put the word out on how bad this outfitter is.
LAST EDITED ON Nov-13-07 AT 10:10AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Nov-13-07 AT 10:01?AM (MST)
I mentioned in a previous post that my dad did have a positive experience with this outfitter once before. The difference is is that the person who lined up dad's first hunt, which was a beautiful 5x6 28 incher has turned the business over to his son. I am not sure if the son is in over his head or not, but he seemed to be very disorganized and ran our hunt pretty hap hazard.
In my mind if an outfitter knows he does not have a dedicated guide for the area and not sure what the quality of deer is in an area you put the hunters somewhere else or cancel the hunt. He had no reason to believe that there were quality deer in the area since he had no guides doing any scouting.
I wanted to get a feel for what other hunters thought of this before going to the outfitter. If others thought we got shafted we probably did. I want to wait to talk to the outfitter before I devuldge the name.
I mentioned in a previous post that my dad did have a positive experience with this outfitter once before. The difference is is that the person who lined up dad's first hunt, which was a beautiful 5x6 28 incher has turned the business over to his son. I am not sure if the son is in over his head or not, but he seemed to be very disorganized and ran our hunt pretty hap hazard.
In my mind if an outfitter knows he does not have a dedicated guide for the area and not sure what the quality of deer is in an area you put the hunters somewhere else or cancel the hunt. He had no reason to believe that there were quality deer in the area since he had no guides doing any scouting.
I wanted to get a feel for what other hunters thought of this before going to the outfitter. If others thought we got shafted we probably did. I want to wait to talk to the outfitter before I devuldge the name.
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muleymaster
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If your statements are true then it's time to name names. Who was your outfitter?
You were just hunting last weekend, so that means you were on a CWMU. The DWR has no real authority for dealing with problems between their paying customer and the CWMU Outfitter. Problems would need to be resolved in a civil avenue, to see if the contract was broken.
One important point to remember is that the weather this year has been horrible for these late season hunts. A ranch which might hold numerous deer for the Nov hunts have very few as the deer havn't migrated and been pushed lower. The guide issue is something to take up with your Outfitter.
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One important point to remember is that the weather this year has been horrible for these late season hunts. A ranch which might hold numerous deer for the Nov hunts have very few as the deer havn't migrated and been pushed lower. The guide issue is something to take up with your Outfitter.
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I really have no issue with the guide himself. Had he been lined up in May and just chose not to scout that would be one thing. He was not even contacted by the outfitter to guide us until four days before the hunt. He had no time to prepare for this hunt. considering we had lined this hunt up nine months a head we should have had a dedicated guide.
Your point about the weather is a good one. The one road into the area was horrible and the landowner told us at the end of the hunt that even an inch of snow on the mountain would keep us from gaining access to our hunt area. That is a big gamble for the outfitter to set the hunt up as a late hunt in Northern Utah.
Your point about the weather is a good one. The one road into the area was horrible and the landowner told us at the end of the hunt that even an inch of snow on the mountain would keep us from gaining access to our hunt area. That is a big gamble for the outfitter to set the hunt up as a late hunt in Northern Utah.
muleymaddness
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If I paid 11 grand and had a guide who didn't know anything and didn't get presented with a mature deer, I'd feel like I had a reasonable complaint - nice version.
I'd be pissed at the outfitter, and assuming he wouldn't make amends once I talked with him about the experience, I'd do everything possible to ensure everyone knows about him and my experience.
I'd be pissed at the outfitter, and assuming he wouldn't make amends once I talked with him about the experience, I'd do everything possible to ensure everyone knows about him and my experience.
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>My dad and I just returned
>from a guided Mule Deer
>hunt in Utah this past
>weekend and I wanted to
>get some opinions on whether
>we got a fair deal.
> My dad arranged the
>hunt in February of 2007.
> The hunt was quite
>expensive, but the outfitter promised
>we would be hunting 170
>to 190 inch mule deer.
>We paid half the fee
>($5,500) for a 2x1 guided
>trophy mule deer hunt in
>Utah in March. In
>July we had not heard
>from the outfitter so we
>called and he said we
>had to pay the other
>half before the landowner would
>give him the permits so
>he sent him another $5,500
>cashier's check. We got
>to the DNR on Monday
>and were told that there
>was a 26 inch buck
>in the area. We
>reminded him we needed 2
>tags filled to which he
>replied "We will find you
>another one." We met
>up with the guide and
>after two days of unsuccessfully
>locating any deer bigger than
>a three pointer we became
>a little frustrated.
>The guide, sensing our frustration
>told as us if we
>were ok. I replied
>that it did not appear
>that he had the knowledge
>of the area and I
>asked how long he had
>been scouting and working the
>area. He replied that
>the outfitter had contacted him
>four days before our hunt
>started and he had only
>spent a few hours in
>our area prior to our
>hunt. We hunted hard
>for four and half days
>and never found any trophy
>deer. Did the outfitter
>live up to his end
>of the deal? Did
>we get robbed? What
>can we do? In
>my opinion the outfitter set
>us up to fail and
>did not properly prepare for
>our hunt.
>from a guided Mule Deer
>hunt in Utah this past
>weekend and I wanted to
>get some opinions on whether
>we got a fair deal.
> My dad arranged the
>hunt in February of 2007.
> The hunt was quite
>expensive, but the outfitter promised
>we would be hunting 170
>to 190 inch mule deer.
>We paid half the fee
>($5,500) for a 2x1 guided
>trophy mule deer hunt in
>Utah in March. In
>July we had not heard
>from the outfitter so we
>called and he said we
>had to pay the other
>half before the landowner would
>give him the permits so
>he sent him another $5,500
>cashier's check. We got
>to the DNR on Monday
>and were told that there
>was a 26 inch buck
>in the area. We
>reminded him we needed 2
>tags filled to which he
>replied "We will find you
>another one." We met
>up with the guide and
>after two days of unsuccessfully
>locating any deer bigger than
>a three pointer we became
>a little frustrated.
>The guide, sensing our frustration
>told as us if we
>were ok. I replied
>that it did not appear
>that he had the knowledge
>of the area and I
>asked how long he had
>been scouting and working the
>area. He replied that
>the outfitter had contacted him
>four days before our hunt
>started and he had only
>spent a few hours in
>our area prior to our
>hunt. We hunted hard
>for four and half days
>and never found any trophy
>deer. Did the outfitter
>live up to his end
>of the deal? Did
>we get robbed? What
>can we do? In
>my opinion the outfitter set
>us up to fail and
>did not properly prepare for
>our hunt.
ridgerunner
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You got the short end of the stick, I'd talk to teh outfitter and if he doesn't make some concession, I'd divolge names.
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sonofthesouth
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Things an outfitter should promise: Early mornings- late nights, cold lunches, hot dinners, good night sleep because you're damn tired, capable guides, guide hunter ratios, and the hopes of a mature representative of the species. Any other promise is a promise waiting to be broken!
Son
Son
For that kind of money it should be more than the hope of the species in the area. I would have been partially ok with seeing amature buck in the area, but not getting a shot off. For that kind of money, especially considering we had two tags, I expect to see at least one trophy animal that I would not be opposed to hanging on the wall.
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manny15
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-13-07 AT 12:59PM (MST)[p]bottom line you were ripped off! been there before myself
Just so that everyone is aware....the fisrt time an outfitter uses the term "promise" or 'guarantee" regarding trophy animals, find another outfitter.
When you first talk to any outfitter, ask for references......be sure you get some names of hunters that were not successful and find out from them why they were not and if they had a good time regardless.
In this case, your outfitter did not do his job and you have a legit complaint. What you can do about it, I can't say, but I would sure let him know I was not happy.
When you first talk to any outfitter, ask for references......be sure you get some names of hunters that were not successful and find out from them why they were not and if they had a good time regardless.
In this case, your outfitter did not do his job and you have a legit complaint. What you can do about it, I can't say, but I would sure let him know I was not happy.
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I'd be pretty hot! If this is a reputable outfitter he'd have done everything necessary to supply you with a guide that knew the area. Anyone can walk the hills and try to spot game. Your guide is supposed to know what areas the game frequent. If your guide had no more than a couple of days, how can he know where the game is? You can't spend $11,000 on a hunt like this and be happy about it. I feel bad for you. It is not only about the money but this was Father/son time on a hunt that was supposed to be fun and successful. It doesn't sound like it was fun or successful due to your anger in not seeing any game. Frustration ruins any fun that you may have had in my opinion. Please let us know, when you are able to, who this outfitter is so that your fellow sportsman don't get burned as you did. $11,000 for a crappy hunt? I'd be furious!
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sonofthesouth
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I say "hope" to avoid the terms like promise or guarantee. But then again I wouldn't bring somebody in unless I felt that we had honest chance at an opportunity to kill. I think you got the raw end of the deal for sure, hate to hear about things like that. One thing to keep in mind, a mule deer like what he was telling you he had is the most sought after most difficult animal to kill in today?s hunting world, would I be disappointed to not get a shot off? Hell yes! Would I be surprised? Not at all! I guess it just comes back to the fact that he may have misled you! Having said that, if you're after a 180-190 buck, be prepared to eat the tag.
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woodruffhunter
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For 11K you should have at least seen some decent bucks. If
the outfitter was dumb enough to promise you these bucks, he ought to return your money. The outfitter sounds like an idiot to promise such things.
Its unfortunate outfitters like these give the good ones a bad name.
the outfitter was dumb enough to promise you these bucks, he ought to return your money. The outfitter sounds like an idiot to promise such things.
Its unfortunate outfitters like these give the good ones a bad name.
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muleymaster
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Is this a B.S story? If not then why are you afraid to name names?
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If he does, the post will get nuked I bet. Looks like he is just looking for opinions right now, not rushing to action like a hot-head.
BTW, I think you got ripped off, but I also think that there is nothing you can really do about it. Sucks.
Andy
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BTW, I think you got ripped off, but I also think that there is nothing you can really do about it. Sucks.
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Well, here is a legitimate way to make his name known without it getting nuked. Go to the product reviews section and review the outfitter. You can then put comments both good and bad, giving the outfitter the benefit of the doubt and making it a fair post. This has been done and after someone gets a lot of poor commentary, then you are just stupid if you book with them. Now on the other had if it is founder it will probably still get nuked))))
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It was Founder! spread it around! LOL
Son
Son
I think you got Jacked of 11 grand.
I think most people (and you in this case) want to go with a guide because you didnt know the area and didnt have the time to scout, not because they (or you) dont know how to hunt.
Basically, you paid a guide for their knowledge of the unit you were hunting and not to point out what a deer is and tell you to shoot.
It sounds like you could have done just as good on your own as you did with the guide, therefore you really didn't get anything for the money you paid, other then the tag.
Id raise some hell.
I think most people (and you in this case) want to go with a guide because you didnt know the area and didnt have the time to scout, not because they (or you) dont know how to hunt.
Basically, you paid a guide for their knowledge of the unit you were hunting and not to point out what a deer is and tell you to shoot.
It sounds like you could have done just as good on your own as you did with the guide, therefore you really didn't get anything for the money you paid, other then the tag.
Id raise some hell.
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Just Returned Home From Wyoming.Great Hunt, Hunted With Seven J Outfitters Jeff Smith.This Is The Best Ran Hunting Camp I Have Ever Been To,Everyone Shot Good Animals,Great Guides, 5 Star Lodge, Great Dining And Very Organized.I Would Highly Recomend Them Cant Say Enough Good Things About Their Camps. Gordon
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sonofthesouth
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What word should you use not to imply a guarantee? You can ?expect? to kill, you?should? kill, you'll have the ?chance? to kill, you'll have the ?opportunity? to kill?
You have to be very careful on what word to use. What I say is you can ?expect, have the opportunity, chance to hunt, will get to hunt?, country that has historically produced trophy animals and be provided knowledgeable professionals to assist you in that effort. It is a tuff, tuff unit with very low numbers and all you can do is hope that your efforts pay off , we have gone thru hunts that a trigger was never pulled. Your taking a chance with any guide, some a lot more than others as were finding out. This is a hard one because your dad had a past experience that was good, sounds like he was over committed and you paid the price. $11,000 price- That was for two hunts right?
Son
You have to be very careful on what word to use. What I say is you can ?expect, have the opportunity, chance to hunt, will get to hunt?, country that has historically produced trophy animals and be provided knowledgeable professionals to assist you in that effort. It is a tuff, tuff unit with very low numbers and all you can do is hope that your efforts pay off , we have gone thru hunts that a trigger was never pulled. Your taking a chance with any guide, some a lot more than others as were finding out. This is a hard one because your dad had a past experience that was good, sounds like he was over committed and you paid the price. $11,000 price- That was for two hunts right?
Son
lostinOregon
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I would expect more for that kind of money. I would contact the outfitter directly and see what kind of remedy you might possibly work out. Sorry to hear that it didn't work out for you.
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muleymaster
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Not to pick on you but I think your full of BS! If not then post the name?? or at least PM me with the info!!!!!!
dgwoody
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>Not to pick on you but
>I think your full of
>BS! If not then
>post the name?? or at
>least PM me with the
>info!!!!!!
I can personally assure you this is not a b.s. story. I was a little reluctant to show my face, but I however, was the guide on this hunt. It was a spur of the moment thing for me. I have plenty of guiding experience backed by a family full of guides. When I agreed to guide, I thought I was helping out a guy in a tight spot. I found out later, that he was definatly in a tight spot, but not the kind I thought. I have not been able to get in touch with the guy since before I left for the hunt. Therefore, I have still not been paid for my time, other than a very generous tip from the hunters.(who are two of the best guys I have had the opportunity to guide) I understand the reasons for withholding the information on the outfitter. These are two upstanding guys who are trying to give the guy a fair shot at making it right.
>I think your full of
>BS! If not then
>post the name?? or at
>least PM me with the
>info!!!!!!
I can personally assure you this is not a b.s. story. I was a little reluctant to show my face, but I however, was the guide on this hunt. It was a spur of the moment thing for me. I have plenty of guiding experience backed by a family full of guides. When I agreed to guide, I thought I was helping out a guy in a tight spot. I found out later, that he was definatly in a tight spot, but not the kind I thought. I have not been able to get in touch with the guy since before I left for the hunt. Therefore, I have still not been paid for my time, other than a very generous tip from the hunters.(who are two of the best guys I have had the opportunity to guide) I understand the reasons for withholding the information on the outfitter. These are two upstanding guys who are trying to give the guy a fair shot at making it right.
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dgwoody- I think everyone on this post agrees that you are not the problem. The outfitter should have contacted you a lot earlier to find out if you'd be able to scout the area and get familiar with it. This is all on the outfitter and we all realize that. It is just unfortunate that these guys forked out that kind of money for a hunt they didn't expect.
Steve
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So, I am seeing where the hunter is laying nothing off on the guide.....just the outfitter. I am really glad that the hunters and the guide each have a good opinion about one another, that is how it is supposed to work.
What I want to know is what possible reason could a guide have for accepting an assignment in an area he was unfamiliar with? Seems to me that you would be setting yourself up to fail......and look real stupid. There are enough things that can (and do) go wrong, why?
What I want to know is what possible reason could a guide have for accepting an assignment in an area he was unfamiliar with? Seems to me that you would be setting yourself up to fail......and look real stupid. There are enough things that can (and do) go wrong, why?
dgwoody
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>So, I am seeing where the
>hunter is laying nothing off
>on the guide.....just the outfitter.
>I am really glad that
>the hunters and the guide
>each have a good opinion
>about one another, that is
>how it is supposed to
>work.
>
> What I want to know
>is what possible reason could
>a guide have for accepting
>an assignment in an area
>he was unfamiliar with? Seems
>to me that you would
>be setting yourself up to
>fail......and look real stupid. There
>are enough things that can
>(and do) go wrong, why?
>
Like I mentioned earlier, I was trying to help a guy out that was supposedly in a tight spot. If the outfitter had done the scouting and known what was in the unit then it would have all turned out differently. If that had been the case, he could have relayed me the information obtained threw his scouting. Other guides will tell you that a lot of guiding is just knowing where to be and when. If the outfitter had scouted the area and found that there where no trophys to be had, he could have re-scheduled the hunters to a different time and place. The major gripe that both the hunters and I had (this was my first time guiding for this particular outfitter) was the lack of information, dedication, and organization. Maybe he was over booked, maybe he was mis-informed, maybe he had found deer earlier and they were killed. Or maybe it was just a scam. Time will tell. It was perfect country for muleys, but the hunters and myself learned at the end of the week that the unit had 18 tags for 11 square miles!! The bottom three miles were useless, as there was no grass or water at all. So with that being said, when have any of you guys ever seen one trophy for every half mile of a unit? Had the outfitter done his homework, he would have known that the last two guys in the unit with tags had no chance of seeing a big deer.
>hunter is laying nothing off
>on the guide.....just the outfitter.
>I am really glad that
>the hunters and the guide
>each have a good opinion
>about one another, that is
>how it is supposed to
>work.
>
> What I want to know
>is what possible reason could
>a guide have for accepting
>an assignment in an area
>he was unfamiliar with? Seems
>to me that you would
>be setting yourself up to
>fail......and look real stupid. There
>are enough things that can
>(and do) go wrong, why?
>
Like I mentioned earlier, I was trying to help a guy out that was supposedly in a tight spot. If the outfitter had done the scouting and known what was in the unit then it would have all turned out differently. If that had been the case, he could have relayed me the information obtained threw his scouting. Other guides will tell you that a lot of guiding is just knowing where to be and when. If the outfitter had scouted the area and found that there where no trophys to be had, he could have re-scheduled the hunters to a different time and place. The major gripe that both the hunters and I had (this was my first time guiding for this particular outfitter) was the lack of information, dedication, and organization. Maybe he was over booked, maybe he was mis-informed, maybe he had found deer earlier and they were killed. Or maybe it was just a scam. Time will tell. It was perfect country for muleys, but the hunters and myself learned at the end of the week that the unit had 18 tags for 11 square miles!! The bottom three miles were useless, as there was no grass or water at all. So with that being said, when have any of you guys ever seen one trophy for every half mile of a unit? Had the outfitter done his homework, he would have known that the last two guys in the unit with tags had no chance of seeing a big deer.
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A friend of mine booked a hunt with an outfitter. The lodging was terrible the food was sub par and they only took one decent buck out of 3 people. Luckily the outfitter made it right with them. Hopefully this outfitter will do the same.
I just booked my first Sonora hunt and pd top dollar to do so. Here's what I expect. Good food, good lodging, top notch guides that know the ranch and a reasonable chance to kill a BIG buck. Heck for $5500 you should expect the same. If he don't make it right blast him on MM.
Mike
I just booked my first Sonora hunt and pd top dollar to do so. Here's what I expect. Good food, good lodging, top notch guides that know the ranch and a reasonable chance to kill a BIG buck. Heck for $5500 you should expect the same. If he don't make it right blast him on MM.
Mike
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sonofthesouth
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>I just booked my first Sonora
>hunt and pd top dollar
>to do so. Here's what
>I expect. Good food, good
>lodging, top notch guides that
>know the ranch and a
>reasonable chance to kill a
>BIG buck. Heck for $5500
>you should expect the same.
>If he don't make it
>right blast him on MM.
>
>
>Mike
Thats a great post and spot on!!
See you in Mexico, cant freakin wait.
BTW there is a thread that is this guide were talking about check it out!
Son
>hunt and pd top dollar
>to do so. Here's what
>I expect. Good food, good
>lodging, top notch guides that
>know the ranch and a
>reasonable chance to kill a
>BIG buck. Heck for $5500
>you should expect the same.
>If he don't make it
>right blast him on MM.
>
>
>Mike
Thats a great post and spot on!!
See you in Mexico, cant freakin wait.
BTW there is a thread that is this guide were talking about check it out!
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dgwoody (49 posts)
Nov-12-07, 03:45 PM (MST)
"Guiding question..."
Thats the thread and I bet this is the guide!?
Son
Nov-12-07, 03:45 PM (MST)
"Guiding question..."
Thats the thread and I bet this is the guide!?
Son
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sonofthesouth
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Well there you go. thats what you get for just jumping to the bottom of a post! thanks!
Son
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One thing nobody has mentioned is whether the outfitter got 'jobbed'. Unless he also runs the cwmu (he doesn't) he has been 'sold' the tags by the manager of the cwmu. Maybe he has been told that they have 170-190" deer. They probably get SOME in that range. If this is the outfitters first year actually hunting the unit he may have been honest in his expectations. Even his summer scouting may have shown some good bucks. Next year he'll know better. Things happen all the time that create a less than promised hunt. Did the outfitter have a different guide that cancelled forcing him to get someone else last minute? Did some lions move into the unit and blow a lot of the deer out? (There are lots of them around this unit and it is only one canyon) I'm not defending any one party in this. (I've met everyone involved) Give the outfitter a chance to do what he can. He may also be a victim. For everyone else part of due diligence when booking a hunt should be "How long have you been hunting/guiding on the property we will be hunting?". My personal opinion after seeing the area and the deer is that the cwmu has been managed for quantity for many years and there are too many tags. But then again, there are lots of people happy with 150 bucks with an outside chance at 180. Nobody who has hunted big muleys much should ever 'expect' to take a 180 deer.
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manny15
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if he's a licensed outfitter then he should have a bond, go after that!...thats what its there for.
I guided deer hunters for 11 years with only one complaint, and the guy was 75 years old and couldn't walk much...
I guided deer hunters for 11 years with only one complaint, and the guy was 75 years old and couldn't walk much...
>if he's a licensed outfitter then
>he should have a bond,
>go after that!...thats what its
>there for.
>
>I guided deer hunters for 11
>years with only one complaint,
>and the guy was 75
>years old and couldn't walk
>much...
Manny
Wait till you guide me and I'll show you complaining.
Ransom
>he should have a bond,
>go after that!...thats what its
>there for.
>
>I guided deer hunters for 11
>years with only one complaint,
>and the guy was 75
>years old and couldn't walk
>much...
Manny
Wait till you guide me and I'll show you complaining.
Ransom
BattleBorn
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The fact that you were set up with a guide who knew nothing of the area is, in my opinion, wrong in so many ways. Not the guides fault really although I suppose he could have refused the gig, but the outfitter might as well have sold you a $35.00 Rolex out of the trunk of his car.
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birdbuster
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PM sent.
dgwoody
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>The fact that you were set
>up with a guide who
>knew nothing of the area
>is, in my opinion, wrong
>in so many ways. Not
>the guides fault really although
>I suppose he could have
>refused the gig, but the
>outfitter might as well have
>sold you a $35.00 Rolex
>out of the trunk of
>his car.
Your right, maybe I should have.
>up with a guide who
>knew nothing of the area
>is, in my opinion, wrong
>in so many ways. Not
>the guides fault really although
>I suppose he could have
>refused the gig, but the
>outfitter might as well have
>sold you a $35.00 Rolex
>out of the trunk of
>his car.
Your right, maybe I should have.
T
toughshed
Guest
No offense, but if you paid the ENTIRE amount in July, you are dealing with a bunch of amateurs, crooks, or maybe both. Plus, how could you be so gullible to do that? That's a ton of money, especially to shoot a mule deer. If you are paying that kind of money, the harvesting of a quality deer is the goal. If you just want to go hunting, you don't need to pay those kinds of $.
I would go after the outfitter for a partial refund and the rest can be chalked up to EDUCATION expenses...
I would go after the outfitter for a partial refund and the rest can be chalked up to EDUCATION expenses...
BattleBorn
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>>The fact that you were set
>>up with a guide who
>>knew nothing of the area
>>is, in my opinion, wrong
>>in so many ways. Not
>>the guides fault really although
>>I suppose he could have
>>refused the gig, but the
>>outfitter might as well have
>>sold you a $35.00 Rolex
>>out of the trunk of
>>his car.
>
>Your right, maybe I should have.
>
Well, you seem to have been honest in your posts about the situation and as they say hindsight is always 20/20. As someone who has never used a guide or guided, my knowledge of how this business is typically run is limited. But as I said, I don't really see this situation as your fault and it appears that both you and the hunters were put in bad situation.
Good luck to you in the future
>>up with a guide who
>>knew nothing of the area
>>is, in my opinion, wrong
>>in so many ways. Not
>>the guides fault really although
>>I suppose he could have
>>refused the gig, but the
>>outfitter might as well have
>>sold you a $35.00 Rolex
>>out of the trunk of
>>his car.
>
>Your right, maybe I should have.
>
Well, you seem to have been honest in your posts about the situation and as they say hindsight is always 20/20. As someone who has never used a guide or guided, my knowledge of how this business is typically run is limited. But as I said, I don't really see this situation as your fault and it appears that both you and the hunters were put in bad situation.
Good luck to you in the future
BattleBorn
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Unfortunately for yourself H72, you make a valid point.
