Mule deer management thought - Utah

400bull

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I have read several threads from a couple different websites where they are talking about whether the 9 day hunt should be reinstated in the southern and southeastern units. I think that I have a pretty open mind about this subject and can see pros and cons for each. I've been thinking is there a way that we can take advantage of both situations. After thinking about it for a short time I thought what if we made it a 6 day split hunt. Ya split hunt. The hunt would open on a Saturday like it does now but would close temporally the following Monday and the reopen again on Friday and go through the next weekend. Does that make any since? That way those of you that would like to take your kids and family hunting have the two weekends to hunt at the same time we are reducing the amount of time hunters have to harvest a deer. Haven?t really worked out all the details but do you think something like this would work out?

400bull
 
I would be against it. I enjoy hunting during the week, but I can appreciate your desire for a compromise.
 
How about let it run five days...Monday through Friday. Then I don't have to miss a day of hunting because of church, and I don't have to deal with the "weekend warriors". That's the perfect scenario - isn't it? :)
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makes sense but what about the out of state hunters and there down time?
 
Out of state hunters are the reason that a split season will never come to pass. No one wants to risk the loss of that out of state money, and I can think of very few hunters that would travel here for a split season.
 
I had not thought of the out of staters. Hay.... no one wants the out of staters any way should not be to big of a problem. Ha, Ha, Ha,

shummy,

What do you mean buy "few hunters that would travel here for a split season"? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that is exactly what hunters were doing befor they made it a 5 day hunt. Take off after work Friday, hunt the weekend and then go back to work Monday or Tuesday only to repete the proccess again the next weekend.

400bull
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-07-07 AT 02:03PM (MST)[p]I'm talking out of state hunters. Who do you know that is going to drive from Cali twice? Who do you know that is going hunt one weekend, then sit all week unable to hunt and then hunt the following weekend. The state wants those out of state dollars, and so do local businesses.
 
Monday through Friday would hurt youth hunters more than any hunter segment, not a good idea when we are/should be looking for ways to INCREASE hunter recruitment, not lower it.

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.
 
I have relatives that have on occasins hunted out of state and yes they have hunted weekends only. The trick is getting the deer herd to a state where you have a possibility of bagging a good buck. If you can get the herds up I think that hunters would be willing to do the split hunt.
 
That could be. I had never thought of PROs point about the youth hunters. A Monday through Friday would be bad in that regards.
 
You can please SOME of the people ALL of the time, and ALL of the people SOME of the time, but you can't please ALL of the people ALL of the time!

I think when it realy comes down to it, the way it is now is really ok for a majority of the people. As stated earlier, the two five day regions are arguably the best regions in the state. That may or may not have a direct correlation to the five day hunt (according to the DWR it does not). But in my opinion, if it isn't broken don't fix it! If your only concern is about the number of days you hunt, there are three other regions that can accomodate you.
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"Monday through Friday would hurt youth hunters more than any hunter segment, not a good idea when we are/should be looking for ways to INCREASE hunter recruitment, not lower it.
PRO"

Pro we give the youth the Archery, Muzzleloader, and Rifle hunts. We just lowered the age from 14 to 12. The youth have more oppertunity than ever before.

I could careless what they do with the southern units I dont hunt there and I dont hunt with a rifle in Ut.

I just get sick of people thinking that the youth arnt going to get into hunting if we dont catter to them at every move, Whats going to get kids into hunting is there parents or some other role model in there lives, after all they still cant go hunting if no ones there to take them.






Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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Jake,
Your point is well taken that the youth needs someone to take them hunting but wouldn't it be nice to have a semi-decent hunt to take them on? I lived in UTah at one time but now live where there is a lot more opp. But let's use Utah as an example:A kid doesn't have bonus points so they probably won't draw a limited entry tag till they are at least in their mid- 20's...maybe (look at the draw odds!) It'll take them at least a couple years to hunt turkeys, bears, cougars.


Why are you against helping them out? How old are you?

Michael
 
I never said I was against helping the youth, I took advantage of beening able to hunt all the seasons when I was able to.

And there are becomeing numerous ways for them to get quality hunts, there are several youth hunts.

I just dont buy into this idea that the youth wont be interested in hunting if they dont get out there and hunt with a gun in there hands, I would say that most of what gets kids involved are the people in there lives that hunt and fish and take them with them wether the kid has a tag or not.

I am against moveing the age to hunt down to 12, you talk about giveing them a quality exsperiance that just added a huge number of extra youth too the pool, now its even harder for them to take advantage of some of the youth tags out there.

As well as makeing less oppertunity for them as well as everyone else from drawing the limited entry tags. Anyone can draw a tag with 0 points it happens every year.

Thats just my oppinon, also I am 23. No I dont have kids, maybe this would change my mind, I doubt it though.


Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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Jake wrote: "I just get sick of people thinking that the youth arnt going to get into hunting if we dont catter to them at every move, Whats going to get kids into hunting is there parents or some other role model in there lives, after all they still cant go hunting if no ones there to take them."

My point was/is, kids have this thing called SCHOOL. With a 5 day hunt they get 2 days to hunt, a 9 day hunt gives them 4 days to hunt.

Hunter recruitment is CRITICAL for the future of hunting, like it or not. To dismiss the youth is near-sighted and wrong-headed. SHould we cater to them? Yes, to a point. As hunter numbers dwindle, hunter opportunities dwindle. So, we need to increase opportunity for ALL hunters, youth included, and 5 day hunts do NOT beneift the deer NOR the deer hunters, specifically the youth hunters.

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.
 
"I could careless what they do with the southern units I dont hunt there and I dont hunt with a rifle in Ut."

I also said the above statement, what I was saying is I dont care if they keep it a 5 day or 9 day. maybe I vented on the wrong thread, I still stand by my comments as far as the youth are concerned.

Also, they have way more than 2 days to hunt, they only have 2 days to hunt with a rifle but they got alot more time than two days, they can hunt all three seasons.


Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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Jake,

Maybe your thoughts will change if you have children in your future. I know mine did. I am 31 with an 8yr. old boy and two young girls which I plan to take and teach strong hunting ethics to. I do believe we should go out of our way to nurture and help them with quality outdoor experiences.

Michael
 
I tell you a scinerio that I have been thinking about lately is having 2 different 5 day hunts. Have 1/2 of the tags hunt Saturday-Wednesday, and then the other half of the tags hunt the next Saturday through Wednesday. This wouldn't effect the deer #'s much, but it may make it more enjoyable to be out hunting with less people in the field. I think, I would take the 2nd hunt if it ever happened.
 

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