Disdain for Whitey

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No this isn't about affirmative action.

Rather trying to figure why some here don't like whitetails or their hunting legends.
 
Why would anyone hate hunting deer who cares if it was whitey or muleys? It is fun just to get out the and complete the challenge!!!
 
I think some hunters just don't want whitetail deer in Utah or a state that has only mule deer in their state competing with for winter range and so forth. I have heard some people say it's not a challenge to hunt for whitetail deer because there is a bigger population of whitetail deer compaired to mule deer and they are easier to shoot..I can't wait to have a nice whitetail rack or mount but it just hasn't panned out yet. I have friends who love having both species of deer to hunt in their own state. I also think some hunters only see people hunting whitetail deer in a tree stand or in a blind...or with the food attractant for deer. To each their own I guess.
 
having whitetails and muleys in alberta is awesome, one hunting spot will be loaded with muleys, and half an hour down the road your into whitetail heaven, odds of getting two big bucks in the same weekend are pretty good
 
i don;t know but for those who say it's to easy, I think it's just as hard to kill a big whitetail as it is to kill a big mule deer. Maybe they don't like the way you hunt them.
 
Well, here in AZ you hunt your butt off for a week & see maybe a few bucks here & there & you come back sore from hiking, your eyes are sore from glassing, & you're just flat out beat. And then you turn on this realtree crap & they sit in their little stand with a corn feeder & there are 100 deer grazing in the meadow & it just seems like a joke.

I can kill one deer a year here in AZ, most eastern states you can kill like 5. Every time I kill a deer I feel like I've accomplished something. When you kill 5 deer a yr in the same state it seems like it would get old....like shooting rabbits.

Coues deer are different though, they are just as hard if not harder to kill than a big muley.
 
I like Whitetail. When I hunt in Montana I can start down low and see Whitetail and work my way to the top and hunt Mule deer. I added a nice Montana whitetail to my collection in 2005.
 
When I think of whitey's though, I think of the realtree stuff on tv. Hunting in Montana like that actually sounds pretty fun. Maybe I should try it sometime.
 
i will explaine to everyone why MULE DEER are better than whitetail. ITS BECAUSE WHITETAIL HAVE LITTLE RACKS AND UGLY FACES AND STUPID TAILS AND SMELL WORSE AND HAVE SMALLER BODIES AND DUMBER LOOKING HEAD GEAR> AND PLUS MULEYS ARE JUST BETTER!!!

THATS WHY!!!!

IF WE WANTED TO HUNT A WHITETAIL, WE'D GO SOMEWHERE THAT YOU COULD! BUT HERE IN UTAH WE SAY, "HEY THERE IS A 4 POINT" AND THAT MEANS ITS A GREAT DEER, BUT IN OTHER STATES WITH DUMB WHITETAIL IT MEANS ITS A DINKY 2 POINT!


SO........


MULE DEER ARE JUST BETTER!!




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Whitetails are easier to kill? can you explain to me why you can shoot a muley buck, walk up to him, and other bucks and does just look at you like ?what just happened and why are you here?. Where as if you stop your vehicle to glass whitetails they will usually get the Heck out of dodge! The mature whitetail buck is one tough critter to kill..
 
Well, it seems some people don't like the whole joy of hunting. What does it matter really big muley or whitey as long as you can hunt!!!!!!! Dam why squabbbbbbble there are record deer in both species.
 
People have a bad taste in their mouths for whitetails because of the crap they see on tv. It's usually some dumb redneck sitting in a heated elevated blind, with curtains on the windows, pictures on the walls and sitting in a nice comfy chair. They see a bunch of deer out in front of them feeding in a food plot and Shoot one and then the crawl on down with all there camo garb(like they really needed it). They walk up and thank the lord for blessin them with such a great deer that they worked SO HARD for. I mean it's a joke, it's an embarrasment to hunters everywhere. When someone thinks that they are working hard by sitting in one of those things, poking a rifle out the window and picking off a deer, they're idiots. That's not working hard, it's like sitting in your living room and shooting something out the front door.

And as for muleys standing there looking at you after shooting one? I've never witnessed this and if your driving down the road where I'm from and you see a half way decent buck, they are gone in an instant.
 
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you don't have a clue, deserteagle500!!!!!!! and guess what, they are coming!!!!! give 5 yrs and if there not there yet they will be!!!!!!!! whitetail are dumb? you don't have a clue. sure anyone can harvest a "basket buck" but try to harvest a toad!!!!! just as anyone can harvest a forky too a sub standard 4 point!!! a deer hunt is a deer hunt, its all in your choice to pull the trigger. and no I'm not talking those stupid hunts in a can on tv. just love to hunt, share, and just hunt!!!! but then again i might be biast, look on idaho hunts,"whitey pictures" and i had a little luck this year!!!!!!!! NO i didn't sit in a tree stand over 100 deer or in a blind, spot and stalk just like muleys!!!!!
 
>People have a bad taste in
>their mouths for whitetails because
>of the crap they see
>on tv. It's usually some
>dumb redneck sitting in a
>heated elevated blind, with curtains
>on the windows, pictures on
>the walls and sitting in
>a nice comfy chair.
>They see a bunch of
>deer out in front of
>them feeding in a food
>plot and Shoot one and
>then the crawl on down
>with all there camo garb(like
>they really needed it). They
>walk up and thank the
>lord for blessin them with
>such a great deer that
>they worked SO HARD for.
>I mean it's a joke,
>it's an embarrasment to hunters
>everywhere. When someone thinks
>that they are working hard
>by sitting in one of
>those things, poking a rifle
>out the window and picking
>off a deer, they're idiots.
> That's not working hard,
>it's like sitting in your
>living room and shooting something
>out the front door.
>
>And as for muleys standing there
>looking at you after shooting
>one? I've never witnessed this
>and if your driving down
>the road where I'm from
>and you see a half
>way decent buck, they are
>gone in an instant.

That's exactly right! couldn't agree more..


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It's not that muleys are dumb for sticking around while you punch your tag on one of his fallen comrades. He's just smart enough to know that you just filled your tag on the lesser deer so it's safe for him to get out of the brush and thiers nothing you can do about it. :)

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The fear I have for whitetails in utah is that they are soooo agressive. Usually when the whitetails move in, the muley numbers drop. A lot of us would rather shoot a deer with a big rack (25 inch plus) Besides that, if you have ever hunted mulies in the high country, you probably are hooked. I'm not saying that whitetails don't have there challenges, but they are just so different than that of a high country mulies. I personally don't have a problem with whitetails, but I am just affraid to loose any of the mule deer terrain to them. When I do get a chance to hunt whitetails, I want to go to where whitetails are, not drive a half a block away and see them all over. In my humble oppinion, I think utah should put a quarenteen on whitetails. They could start by killing the doe and fawn I saw in Rich County last saturday.....
 
ive never seen whitetails and muleys being threatened in an area by either speices, i have seen them in the same herd tho, so the one problem arising from that could be cross breeding, making some funny looking deer
but to argue which deer is better to hunt or which one is smarter is comparing apples to oranges, everyone prefers one, but can still like both, or maybe not
we can settle it at the fact that each animal lives and behaves differently, thus requiring different hunting techniques
sure sitting in a blind is really lazy, but the time and effort spent getting those honey hole food plots and stands all set up equal the time and effort spent spotting, stalking and packing out
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-16-07 AT 01:20PM (MST)[p]"No this isn't about affirmative action.
Rather trying to figure why some here don't like whitetails or their hunting legends."

The short answer is that this website is called Monster Muleys and tends to draw those that have a passion for mule deer only. And of course, there is no better/best deer, just like there is no better/best caliber. whatever floats your boat and wherever you live, grab all the gusto you can.

Anyone who puts down others pursuits in hunting, just because they hunt a differnt species, has a problem.


txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Ha ha, well said everyone. Although I think the 30.06 is the best all around gun. hahahaha
 
>Ha ha, well said everyone.
>Although I think the 30.06
>is the best all around
>gun. hahahaha
+1 BUT....the 30-06 is right behind the best all around caliber the MIGHTY .270
 
I've hunted both animals and have yet to kill a real big muley. As much as I like to watch whitetail hunting shows, what they show isn't how 99% of people hunt. Meaning, not many of us hunt a 1500 acre midwestern farm or a 10,000 acre Texas ranch. To kill a boone & crockett whitetail hunting big, heavy woods and not farm land or prairies, is darn near impossible. Anyway, I love both species.
 
IMO there are a lot of people with a warped sense of reality when it comes to hunting both species. Seems like most compare hunting whitetails on privately managed gound to hunting muleys on public land. Or compare hunting of imature muledeer (standing around after the shooting) to heavily hunted whitetails. Compare them on equal footing and I think most would relize they're booth pretty dang hard to hunt and kill a mature buck.

I love to hunt deer, doesn't matter what he looks like... they're all fun.

All you guys that say its easy to kill a big whitetail... I'll bet you a $100 I can kill a B&C muledeer in the west on public ground before you kill a B&C whitetail on public in any state East of the Mississippi. ;)
 
deserteagle500,

Your little rant is about as dumb as anything I have ever read on MM and that's really saying something all things considered. What are you 15 to 16 years old? There is no way that you have ever personally hunted whitetail on public or you wouldn't make so many absolutely idiotic statements. Smell worse? Smaller bodies? Dude, reality check, the heaviest deer ever weighed was a whitetail not a mule deer. Smell wise I'll take a whitetail over a rotten sage and urine smelling mule deer any day. I hunt both whitetail and mule deer every year and can't say that I really love one more than the other. Both are very challenging. I would say that a 5 year old mule deer is generally more cagey than a 5 year old whitetail. Then again mule deer younger than 5 years are usually a lot easier to kill than a whitetail of the same age. After 5 years though both are extremely hard to find and kill, especially on publicly accessible land. Oh and one last thing there desertseagle500, thank you so much for reminding me why I don't miss living in Utah! I'd much rather live here and hunt whitetail, muledeer, antelope, black bear, elk, and wild turkey "every" year, than wonder if I'm going to draw a tag each year. Have fun hunting that pathetically managed mule deer herd of yours down there.
 
I think most of the disdain from western hunters comes from watching t.v. show after t.v. show that has a guy sitting in a tree stand above a feeder or alfalfa field waiting for something to come to him. I have nothing against whitetails, but I will turn the channel when these types of hunts are shown. To each his own, but it's just not very entertaining to watch. So, I think it's more about method than the animal itself. When they hunt whitetails on the ground, then I will watch.
I went on my first whitetail hunt a couple of weeks ago. It was actually my son's hunt. We hunted in West Texas (no high fence), and had a really great time. We hunted on the ground and rattled bucks in. Ratting that buck in was about as exciting as anything I've experienced.
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>i will explaine to everyone why MULE DEER are better than whitetail. ITS BECAUSE WHITETAIL HAVE LITTLE RACKS AND UGLY FACES AND STUPID TAILS AND SMELL WORSE AND HAVE SMALLER BODIES AND DUMBER LOOKING HEAD GEAR> AND PLUS MULEYS ARE JUST BETTER!!!
>
>THATS WHY!!!!

You do know the worlds record largest antler score is a Whitetail right? And the largest ever recorded deers bodyweight is a whitetail? I love muleys but lets stick to the facts :)


-DallanC
 
Killing my first whitetail three weeks ago was mentally as tough of a hunt I have ever done. They were more nocturnal, and seemed to be much more spooker than muleys that I encountered there.

My thoughts going into the whitey portion of the hunt, was shaped exactly by the majority of tv shows; making it look easy from a blind with the buck walking casually down the same trail and the shot at 50 yards after stopping the buck with a "baaahhh" call. That couldn't have been further from the truth, and maybe it was because the rut was in full swing. I hunted many stands, spot and stalk, and drives through bush during the week chasing whitey. I missed two times with bucks running at warp speed, and finally got lucky when my buck stepped out at dusk tending a doe.

My preference will always be for a large muley over a whitetail largely because I am a western hunter and been in muley country for all my life. But my only experience hunting whitetail deer earned my respect.

Ed

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Whitetails and mulies live side by side in Montana, and other western states. I think it is funny how people assume that the whitetail is going to exterminate mulie populations! I love hunting mulies, and I love hunting whitetails. The fact is, mulie populations are decreasing, period. Whitetails prefer the riverbottom country over the high alpine country. You will still have mulie up above, even if the whitetails move in down below. You will just have more opportunities to hunt deer. So many people on this site are confused and make irrational statements it makes me laugh.
 
Dan,

I agree with you alot. But this is coming from a guy
that lives in total whitetail country, you need to keep'em
in check.

Whitetail bucks are Very aggresive during the breeding season.
And that's where alot of the crosses have started to appear.

An area I hunt in New Mexico is starting to have whitetails
roaming on it. I've seen them on that area at over 8000 feet.
A fellow that run's Antelope hunts in the area said last year
there was a whitetail doe running with the 'lopes.

I love my Whitetails to death, but you muley boy's better
keep an eye on'em.

Just my two cents.

Larry
 
My point is that there have been whitetails and muleys living in Montana together for 100's of years. I have seen few (if any) crosses. In the alfalfa fields the mulies come right out and feed along side the whiteys. Yet with all this interaction, there still isn't many crosses, however, there is ALOT more deer available to hunt because of this. The same can be said for eastern Colorado where some of the biggest mulies and whiteys are coming from. You can put a stalk on a whitey, and 15 minutes later be chasing a big muley. Western Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas, No. Idaho, Eastern Washington all have plenty of mulies and whiteys living together.
 
I agree with Oregon. I'm sure whitetail hunting would be a great experience, but the T.V. shows make it look so gay. (nonetheless, I still watch the stupid shows.)
 
I think txhunter said it best: This site is called Monster "Muleys" not Monster Whiteys.
That said, I don't dislike whitetail just prefer the muleys because it's all I've ever known.
As far as one being smarter than the other I don't know. I do know that the only time I've ever seen a mule deer stand around after the kill, was during the rut. I agree that any buck over 5 years old is tough to harvest.
As far as the whitetail hunting goes, my hat is off to anybody with the patience and will to sit for hours in a tree stand when it's zero degrees out. However, a 10k foot backpack trip for muleys will test any man.
Plus, muleys are just plain more handsome.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-18-07 AT 00:39AM (MST)[p]Heres a quick response from a Utah Mule deer hunter that just tried kansas whitetail for the first time in November. After six long hard days I finally got a 35 yard shot at a small 10 point and killed my first whitetail. I gained a great respect for a beautiful animal that is very wary and very smart. I agree with the earlier comments about mature white-tail being just as nocturnal as a big muley and although my dreams a still filled with big Mule deer I now also LOVE whitetail hunting and I will definetly be out in Kansas again next year. If you haven't tried it you need to. (especially before running your mouths) It is a completly different experience and one I learned to love. I didn't think I could sit a tree stand for 12 hours a day but I did and it was so much fun. Watching deer move naturally through the woods and setting up stands in locations to intercept their movements is a whole new challenge I have never experienced. I have hunted Mule deer in many states (this year 3) and I totally believe that whitetail hunting (especially with a bow) is just as challenging. The challenges are different but equal.
Don't compare high fenced box blind whitetail hunting to public land muleys. There are some very "canned" mule deer hunts as well and you can't compare apples to oranges.
 
All those who think the whitetails will breed mule deer out of existance do realize that Mule deer are already halfbreeds right? Mule deer were created when Whitetails bred with Blacktails. This is confirmed through DNA testing.

Blacktails came about after the glacial age split the continent into 2 parts, east and west. Deer in the east evolved differently from those in the west and resulted in Whitetails in the east and Blacktails in the north western coastland. Later when the glaciers receeded Whitetails and Blacktails interbred creating the mule deer.

Its a pretty interesting historical topic. More info on it found here: http://www.blacktailcountry.com/html/blkpage.htm

There are too many places where mule deer and whitetails have co-existed for too long to think mule deer will suddenly disappear due to direct whitetail intereaction. Mule deer populations are in decline but perhaps in the billions of years of evolution, they just arent suited for long term survival as well as their parental species.


-DallanC
 
I have hunted Whitey for the last 4 years in Missouri with a muzz. It is some of the BEST HUNTING i have ever done. Different but good. It would be like hunting in thick oak or pine forests all the time. Very shifty animals. I am in Utah and love to hunt the muleys. White tail are like a cross of elk and muleys. Different but fun. After four years I finely got a buck this year a 3 1/2 year old 12 point as they would say. They may compete for some winter range however, In the unitah Basin and seiver valley dranages they would thrive. They are up north in rich county as has been said.
I say more to hunt.
Rock5150
 
I don't care what kind of deer it is if it big they are all hard to find and kill.

Love to hunt Muleys and Whitetails.
 
BFE,

Isn't that clip off of the new Realtree video. They must have taken the comments on here seriously and tried to add a little challenge to the hunts. Sure anybody can hit a running target, but how about a swinging one.
 
Here in British Columbia we have both species living side by side in many area of the province. Some of you guys obviously have preconceived notions about whiteys and where they live. I have hunted whitetails above timberline. You want a thrilling high country hunt, try a monster whitetail/muley combo hunt. Aside from early Sept, the majority of deer hunting for both species is in the timber. And no, the hunting shows don't have a clue what "Dark Timber" really looks like. :) Sneek and Peek Timber Still-hunting is just as thrilling for whitetails as it is for muleys.

BTW, I've killed several Big muleys over the years but I've yet to kill one whitey that was what I consider, "Big". Probably has more to do with the areas I hunt and the amount of time I put into chasing the rat deer than one species being harder than the other.
 

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